...Yes

The singing is fine. It's what singing sounds like without autotune and not in a studio. It'd be worse on stage. People bitch too much.

According to the book, Javert was born in a prison because her mother was a gypsy criminal or something like that. He resented the criminals and the corruption he grew up with
>mfw

Theater fags are the worst
Russel Crowe even said that the director wanted him to sing raw so it could fit his personality.

As a musical theatre amateur who has actually sung this part in front of about 1100 people for a 14 night engagement, I thought Rusty did a great job. His singing wasn't angelic or anything, but it wasn't dubbed, and it fits the character of Javert (not sure if any of you anons have read Chateaubriand's original novel, but it's helpful to understanding some of the characters, especially Javert, Valjean, les Thenardiers and Marius).
Anyway, the point is, he's not a classically trained singer, but Les Mis isn't a traditional classical opera, so having some voices more on the raw side is, in my opinion, a point for this production, not against it.
Also, he sings my favourite song in the movie.

>You're a big guy...
>AND I'M JAVERT!

YOU KNOW NOTHING OF JAVERT. I WAS BORN INSIDE A JAIL.
I WAS BORN IN THE DARKNESS, UNLIKE YOU. I AM FROM THE SEWERS TOO.

MY NAME IS JEAN VALJEAN

>he sings my favourite song
Is it Stars, you limey fuck?

Or perhaps he's wondering why someone would shoot a man, before throwing him into the Seine.

TELL ME VALJEAN. WHY DOES HE HIDE FROM THE LAW?

His mother was a fortune-teller, his father was a galley slave. It's not specified what either of them did to wind up in jail, but he lived in a jail for at least a few years. It's also never said that he was of Romani descent, though the fact that his mother was a fortune-teller coupled with the line "he was complicated with an inexpressible hatred for the race of vagabonds whence he was sprung" heavily implies it.

You nailed it. It's Stars.
Also I'm Irish, like, from Waterford, not like stupid USA citizens from Boston who call themselves Irish.

I was just guessing based on your spelling. Stars is my favorite song, too.

Yeah. I don't get why a rugged inspector would sound like anything else. Many complain that he didn't sing like a fucking choir boy.

Stars is everyone's favorite song you unoriginal hacks. It's one of the most loved, yet little known musical songs ever written.

>Stars is everyone's favorite song you unoriginal hacks
I object. One Day More is clearly the plebian's choice.

You ask most people who've seen Les Miserables more than once, they'll tell you Stars is either their favorite song, or one of their favorites.

My favorite is probably the Attack on Rue Plumet, though

>the movie still doesn't include his wicked sense of humor or the scene where Javert cucks Thenardier's gang

What's even the fucking point then?

Or even his cunning. That's the best part of the book, where Javert is the fucking hero, is a total bad ass, and just laughs when hears Valjean (he doesn't know it's Valjean, but knew he must have been some convict) escaped Thenardier's grasps.

The movie made very small strides to be more faithful to the book, I wish it went further in some areas, though.

At the End of the Day is the best.

Neither of us every claimed to be original, but I'm pretty sure most people prefer Bring Him Home or I Dreamed I Wasn't Dying of Syphilis.

Why is he dressed up like one of the Thunderbirds?

Does anyone like Bring Him Home? That's such a boring ass song, and the falsetto is just annoying.

I heard Alfie Boe live and it was good, but I don't personally care for the song for the exact reasons you stated.

>He was bad and he was an idiot. I can't believe he killed himself because he couldn't reconcile someone being morally good outside of what was legal.

Theater Javert sounds like a swishy swashbuckler all the time always.

Crowe nailed the book character.

should i watch this movie so i can come up with danke memes like you guys?

Yeah, some of the costumes aren't very good.

Only if you're prepared to weep.

MY NAME IS JOSH VALJOSH

youtube.com/watch?v=JEVago2PKn0

Stop it

I only watched Les Miserables because this cute girl in college wanted to watch it with me. I ended up loving it, and it's in my opinion the best story ever told, however, I don't know if I loved it because I was basically in love with this girl, or if it's good.

I don't know. Watch it, it's an okay movie. The book's where the real magic is though.

Ayn Rand loved Victor Hugo for a reason.

I haven't read Ayn Rand, but I heard she's extremely anti-socialism, so that surprises me. Victor Hugo wasn't necessarily marxist, but he had huge sympathy for the poor, disdain for the social elite, and idolized people like Napoleon.

No, just watch this. m.youtube.com/watch?v=JEVago2PKn0

That being said, Hugo is also an insanely talented storyteller with extremely well constructed plots. That's why I love Les Miserables, and probably why Ayn Rand loved it too, not necessarily Hugo's bleeding heart liberal morals sprinkled through the story.

She spoke and wrote about him often. The only person she gushed about more was Aristotle.

Yeah, you nailed it.

Is Javert the BANE of musicals?

>Chateaubriand's original novel
You mean, of course, "Victor Hugo's original novel"?

>tfw Javertposting is making a comeback

TO THE LEFT TO THE RIGHT TO THE LEFT TO THE RIGHT

I DRRAMED A DREAM OF A TIME GONE BYYYYYYY

Victor Hugo wrote "d'être Chateaubriand ou rien" as a young man, expressing his ambitions as a writer. In French literature circles, he's frequently known as Chateaubriand affectionately, as a sort of nickname.
Look it up if you don't believe me.

>Stars is everyone's favorite song you unoriginal hacks. It's one of the most loved, yet little known musical songs ever written.
>everyone's favourite song
>little known musical song
Uh good one dude.

I DREAMED A DREAM OF A BIG GUYYYY

Master and Commander is different from how I remember

In My Life/Heart Full Of Love is best.

That's interesting; pardon me. You learn something new every day.

Me too familia
>Be me
>High school senior
>Know 10/10 qt is really into drama
>Join drama club just to get closer to her
>Go on a field trip to see Les Mis
>First time we really hang out and enjoy each others company
>Even go see the film because it came out that December
>Things couldn't be better
>And then it all went to shit for one reason or another
>Javert posting always reminds me of her

It was the best of times and worst of times desu

>implying rand was consistent with her bullshit philosophy

I dated the girl. She dumped me though and has been a serious source of depression the past couple of years.

So I guess things never really work out even if you get that gf.

AND I'M JAVERT
DO NOT FORGET MY NAME

YOU TRIED TO FLY BUT YOU CAN'T RUN
TOOOOOO BIIIG FOOOOOR YOOOU ONE

Based Ken M strikes again

youtu.be/JEVago2PKn0

Best youtube poop ever

>Javert is the fucking hero

How can anyone come to this conclusion, least of all when they've actually read the book?

>mfw they died holding hands

okay let's get something straight

russel crowe is NOT a good singer and he singlehandedly brought this film adaptation down in flames with an utterly wooden performance. His claim to fame is his permanent sadface and his excellent speaking voice, but he is no anthony hopkins and did not bring any of the nuance required for a complex character like javert.

His voice is not "raw." If anything hugh jackman's voice was raw. His performance is open to interpretation as to whether you think it's good or bad. russel crowe is weak and bland. He has the stance of a novice singer throughout the film which hurts his performance, looks dumb as fuck and guess what has zero effect on his shit voice.

>Relegated, as he was, to one corner, and sheltered behind the billiard-table, the soldiers whose eyes were fixed on Enjolras, had not even noticed Grantaire, and the sergeant was preparing to repeat his order: "Take aim!" when all at once, they heard a strong voice shout beside them:

>"Long live the Republic! I'm one of them."

>Grantaire had risen. The immense gleam of the whole combat which he had missed, and in which he had had no part, appeared in the brilliant glance of the transfigured drunken man.

>He repeated: "Long live the Republic!" crossed the room with a firm stride and placed himself in front of the guns beside Enjolras.

>"Finish both of us at one blow," said he.

>And turning gently to Enjolras, he said to him:

>"Do you permit it?"

>Enjolras pressed his hand with a smile.

>This smile was not ended when the report resounded.

>Enjolras, pierced by eight bullets, remained leaning against the wall, as though the balls had nailed him there. Only, his head was bowed.

>Grantaire fell at his feet, as though struck by a thunderbolt.

Did you read the Noxious Poor chapter (The best section in the book)? Javert is the hero in that section, Valjean literally would have died if Javert didn't show up.

Also, if anything, Javert is cast in a lighter tone in the book. He's not malicious ever. He's extremely good at his job, and he has certain prejudices, but other than that he's just a detective, and realizes some of his shortcomings at the end of the book. Even Hugo has sympathy for him

>be An-cap
>live on welfare

I don't think Russell Crowe is a bad singer, he did find in the singing part as Javert.

The problem was his low energy, he didn't capture the essence of the character at all.

>not TOOOOOOO BIG FOR YOU SOOOOOOOOOOOOOON
ya blew it

...

You'll make me cry, user

2FORT

Reminder many of you are disappointing Russell Crowe and if you disappoint Russell Crowe you're a faggot.

Yes, the only musical thats more of a meme is Hamilton and used to be Wicked

Javert is a tragic figure precisely because of his misguided and disgusting moral sensibilities. He also explicitly rejects any sort of redemption by killing himself in the end. There is nothing positive about his arc.

The singing is sometimes bad, which is a big problem for a musical.

>"Halt!" Javert shouted "you will not leave by window, but by the door, which is not so unhealthy. You are seven and my men are fifteen, so do not let us quarrel like water-carriers, but behave as gentlemen."

>Bigrenaille drew a pistol from under his coat and placed it in Thenardier's hand, as he whispered:

>"It is Javert, and I dare not fire on that man. Dare you?"

>"I should think so," Thenardier answered.

>Thenardier took the pistol and aimed it at Javert. The Inspector, who was only three paces from him, looked at him fixedly, and contented himself with saying:

>"Don't bother firing, for the pistol won't go off."

>Thenardier pulled the trigger. There was a flash in the pan.

>"Did I not tell you so?" Javert remarked.

>Bigrenaille threw himself at Javert's feet. "You are the emperor of devils, and I surrender".

>"And you?" Javert asked the other bandits.

>They answered, "We too."

>Javert remarked calmly: "This all right; I begged you to behave like gentlemen."

[...]

>Javert smiled and walked into the open space which the woman guarded with her eyes.

>"Don't come nearer!" she shrieked "or I'll smash you! Be off!"

>"What a grenadier!" said Javert "Mother, you have a beard like a man, but I have claws like a woman." And he continued to advance.

>Mother Thenardier, with flying hair and terrible looks, straddled her legs, bent back, and hurled the paving stone at Javert. He stooped, the stone passed over him, struck the wall from whence it dislodged a mass of plaster, and then ricocheted from angle to angle until it fell flat at Javert's feet. At the same moment Javert reached the Thenardiers: one of his large hands settled on the wife's shoulder, the other on the man's head.

>"Handcuffs here!" he shouted.

How can one man be so based?

Who buys this astroturfed argument anymore? Does anyone?

I mean, the facts are available for anyone to see. I cringed hard when David Cross brought it up in his otherwise average anti-Trump comedy special.

>Disgusting moral sensibilities
What? He doesn't really do anything amoral in the story at all, have you even read it? He's extremely shortsighted, the people he's chasing he genuinely believes are guilty. Fantine did attack Bamatabois, Javert didn't see the beginning. Valjean was literally a dangerous man. Hugo himself says that without the Bishop, Valjean would have stayed a monster and likely wreaked havoc. Javert didn't see Valjean's inner change. Just look at the way he treated Marius when he encountered him, he was very respectful towards Marius and offered him the best of his help to bring down Thenardier. Look at his respect towards Sister Simplice and the Catholic church in general.

People say Javert is the antagonist in Les Miserables, but he really isn't. Society is the antagonist. Even when Javert kills himself, Valjean is fearful of the police, that doesn't change. Javert is the face of police cruelty, but he himself isn't really the man problem.

Also, he doesn't reject any sort of redemption. He's literally confused as to what transpired at the end, he doesn't know how to cope with this force that he's never really dealt with. In his mind, there was Justice and law, and nothing else. When he realizes Valjean is a good man, his conscience implodes, and he feels wracked with guilt of all the years he's blindly prosecuted people because they broke some law, regardless of what the law actually was. He realizes there are lapses in society, and those lapses needs to be fixed. Part of that involves writing a letter to the Paris precinct asking questions as to the necessity of some of their procedures.

I have a feeling you haven't read the book at all.

MY NAME IS JOSH VALJOSH

Here you go.

LOAF OF BREEEEEAAAAAAD.

NOM NOM NOM.

>He realizes there are lapses in society, and those lapses needs to be fixed

And they never will be.

Inspector, tell me about your bread.

MY NAME IS CIIIAAAAA

kek as heck

his pained delivery was just fine for the role

listening to him makes my throat hurt though

I don't understand why everyone is picking on Crowe. I mean sure his dialog/lyrics were cringy but singing-wise he wasn't so bad.

Hugh Jackman was faaaaar worse. He didn't even try just brought up his voice on the end of the sentences. He wasn't even singing.

I AMMM JAWEEEEEEE

I didn't even care for this film, but the first teaser trailer is one of the best in recent memory.

fascist piece of shit
muh rules

>remember looking up the youtube video for this before I had seen the movie and saw a comment of someone saying they think of this song when they're at school and how it fits school life so well

Made me want to just cringe my head off family guy to be honest

>ANHEIM JAVERT

What did he mean by this?

This situation was very special but in general I think Javert did the right choice not trusting criminal scum.