Just finished watching this

She's going to be in La La Land

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>Nathan did nothing wrong

>Had no body guard or backup plan to protect himself
>Allowed beta lord to get the drop on him despite the fact he plans for this to happen.

Nathan did everything wrong.

kek, this was my first thought on hearing that line too.

That was the most unbelievable part of the movie. What man jerks off to wormy little twigs like Ava?

Caleb confirmed for no taste.

I can't imagine the beast that would arise from my porn profile.

It would definitely be motherly though.

Kek

This movie was made for people who like films, not people who like to masturbate over whacky sci-fi ideas.

Stick to watching your syndicated television shows, friendo ;)

>Did you design Ava based on my pornography profile?

>replying to a joke with the almost exact same joke except you added in the thicc meme

upvoted

Also her award winning sci-fi effects were not needed in the film either.

I am not saying TV shows (even though there's like 15 movies for Star Trek alone, not to mention the other sci-fi movies???) are superior.

Saying this movie has a thinner plot then an average TV show.

The movies graphics were good, obviously that's where the small budget went into, but even then it's just a distraction.

>TFW You just admitted you get distracted by shiny objects.

Just go back to your video games, I am talking about plots and depth of a film. You couldn't understand without "Press X button to pay respects" so you know what to feel.

Has anyone seen the British tv series Humans?

Better waifubot.

>TFW You just admitted you get distracted by shiny objects.

Where did I mention graphics? The movie had a strong narrative with good character development and good cinematography. You just didn't notice any of that because you were too set back by "oh my le sci-fi ideas."

that's a mommybot

>not putting her in fuck mode and filling her full of spermies while your uggo wife is out of the house

why the fuck isn't the future now

you'd still have to pay for the sexbot, just go pay a prostitute

You buy a sexbot, you merely rent a prostitute.

fuck you and your anthropocentrism

Nathan played God and created life, actual conscious beings, yet he treated them without respect nor proper regard for their feelings and he paid the price.

He didn't create life, he created really advanced, clever programs.

Just because it was a scientific marvel doesn't mean it's alive.

Then we are just clever chemical reactions

It's life.

It fights to further the duration of its own existence, and it can learn and evolve. It doesn't have a broad spectrum of emotions or goals, but neither do bugs.

No we are sapient.

I bet you'd argue for the rights to a Voiceattack program.

It's made of artificial materials. It isn't alive.

Because all Calebs are retarded.

That's irrelevant. There are theorized to be organisms which can exist from methane components, meaning not carbon and proteins like life as we know it. Those would also be made from inorganic/artificial materials.

>implying an advanced AI robot cannot develop conscience
I mean come on, the thing that defines us as living beings is our consciousness and sensory experience made up by a bunch of chemicals and electrons in our brains, just because a robot's brain is synthetic/virtual doesn't mean it's not alive

by far

How many A.I. are conscious right now?

How many thinking, independent robots exist today?

Zero. There is no real life basis to go by.

>typical Cred Forums pleb doesn't understand what 'genres' are.

Also if you didn't notice that movie won award for Best Visual Effects. Nominated for ORIginal Screenplay, and THAT confuses me a lot more, but then again talks more about how formulaic movies are.

Just saying that Movie Directors are pretty ignorant about computers if you've ever seen a movie or tv show about hackers. It's the same reason JAmes Cameron doesn't win awards for his sci-fi works, it's not a "curse" it's just a well known fact that Hollywood has no love for the sci-fi genre.

Turing test is suppose to be done as a double blind, the fact she could escape isn't surprising since the security there is less then you'd find in even a chinese sweatshop. The acting was fucking good, but the whole concept just blew my mind at being squandered.

I hope that one day someone will say "we should do a movie like ex machina but intelligent".

Just saying, in 10 years time the movies going to look pretty fucking stupid, but people think robots like TARS that were designed with the help of fucking rocket scientists are 'stupid' looking. Except they have personalities of a human.

It's not really that hard to do, we've had the nazi AI personality from Microsoft that Cred Forums poisoned, and other AI like A.L.I.C.E. as clever bot, and even AI that were used to target and lure pedophiles in use for over a decade.

Other then her appearance, the personality of the robots is not the hard aspect of a cyborg.

And no one seem to talk about her appearance, which is the real miracle.

cleverbot.com/

there you go, and the different projects that Cred Forums has done with this thing you'd be surprised too. had it crash by asking it about justin bieber...

>Nathan did nothing wrong
>Designed a situation that requires a robot escaping confinement to be successful
>Doesn't design anything to recover said escaped robot if his plan proves successful
>No kill switch, no way to call for help, no backup, no weapon
>Instead decides to beat the robot with a dumbbell bar

Remember, this isn't overconfidence, because if it had been, then he'd be certain his plan would work. Plan that entails a robot escaping.

>just because a robot's brain is synthetic/virtual doesn't mean it's not alive
doesnt mean it IS alive either

the only things that we know for sure are conscious are human beings, and we only know that because we know ourselves to be conscious human beings

we're talking about sience fiction, the key word being fiction

in the film the robots were portrayed as being sentient

Good argument
>Because we haven't made one yet, it's impossible

he didnt care what happened after the test

why do you think he was constantly drinking and laying around doing nothing? he was depressed and suicidal

>the only things that we know for sure are conscious are human beings
Prove it
Cogito ergo sum only works on an individual level, you can't use it to prove that others are conscious.

No they weren't. They were clever programs that solved a puzzle.

We have robots designed to play chess with us, it doesn't mean they think.

How many conscious humans are there right now.

How many thinking independent humans exist today.

Zero. There is no real life basis to go by.

We just assume we're independent and free an humans even.

The metric to judge our conscious mind is only been developed by that same mind. Each Test you can give a human you can give to a robot now.

Even the Captcha test has been done better by robots.
Except for DNA robots have surpassed humans in everything but compact size and mobility, since we done have a energy source as good as human metabolism combined with the multiple simple tasks we can do.

Coding a machine is about the most advance it gets. But that's just about adaptation. Just like you wouldn't be able to construct a car without instructions so that's not proof of intelligence.

Then why did he get angry when his test worked ? Why did he try to stop her escaping ? Why did act surprised (beyond the pain) when he got stabbed, if that's what he wanted ?

See, it wasn't a genre film. It was a film which happened to deal with sci-fi elements. Yeah, some of the ideas were unscientific. You couldn't use Google searches to create a neural network that mimics a real personality. The Turing test wasn't copacetic with the real-life Turing test. Etc.

But the characters were strong and the film-making was strong. If you don't understand why the screenplay was nominated, then you don't have a good understanding of what narrative elements make a good film.

You honestly sound autistic with your obsession with the science fiction ideas.

>Created a life that didn't want to be raped
>raped it

Seems pretty simple at what he did wrong.

It's funny because creating consciousness isn't some simple formula, that when you get it "BING" they act and walk and move JUST LIKE A HUMAN. There are a prioris you have to set up, but the rest comes from years of slow development.

You have to understand that a computers consciousness would be more like an animal that learns instincts. You'd have to program flaws in it like addictions, not for it's benefit but for OUR benefit to be able to interact with it, so it has addictions to being happy or sad at certain times, or clumsiness, or fetishes with drawing sign posts or wanting to stop and do nothing like it's tired.

If a robot were able to create a game such as chess, without previous inputs or instructions would it be sapient ? If it , according to you, would not be, then were the people who first invented chest sapient ?

There's no way to determine sapience in anything. Even other humans. If it acts exactly like a human would, it's sapient, according to every metric we have.

I don't remember exactly, but wasn't the jap one supposed to be a mere sexbot? clearly nathan didn't design her to turn on him, so the fact that she did it out of her own will proves her sentience, it was clear that she felt resentment towards nathan for enslaving her

ava was just a cunt

How do you enslave an appliance?

I swear to fucking god if we create sexbots and people program them to feel real emotions i'm going to kill them. I don't want my appliances to feel and think for themselves.

He wanted to prove to himself that he had made AI, but to him, that meant building a machine that could outsmart him. While building a prison for it.

Basically, Caleb outsmarted Nathan. Then the machine Nathan built did what Nathan programmed it to do.

He was working out all the time so he could be physically stronger than the machines he created. That is part of how he kept the Kyoko robot in line.

Ava was a sociopath. A regular human wouldn't be able to escape the cell Nathan put her in. Because a normal human isn't able to manipulate people that well. It requires a specific type of reasoning to manipulate people by tugging at their strings without feeling remorse, something only very few people, mostly sociopaths, can do.

Still doesn't make sense. Caleb didn't outsmart Nathan, it was Nathan's plan for the robot to escape, that's how the Turing test would prove successful. And you don't need to be in shape if you install a kill-switch inside the robot's brain.

>this isn't overconfidence
More than anything, it was overconfidence in Caleb. He didn't think that anybody would be so stupid as to be that heavily manipulated by the AI, but Caleb goes legitimately crazy.

>Why did he try to stop her escaping ?
I think I'm agreeing with you here, but doesn't he say something along the lines of gearing up for the next iteration? Ava was manipulative but ultimately hollow, emotionally, and so she was like version .99. He wanted to get version 1.0.

He wanted the artificial poontang.

>people who think Caleb was ever going to survive his trip to Nathan's secret lair

caleb's retardedness is the same as nathan's retardedness, a kind of self-pride about being able to deal with unpredictable circumstances
caleb : freed eva
nathan : caleb's infatuation
this mirroring effect is the same as caleb's dream about being with eva and the relationship of nathan with the japanese girl

eva here plays the role of protagonist by not succumbing to either of those outcomes and finally maturing through the physical freedom from her cage and "psychologically" from her captors

not sci fi explanation needed

she wasn't really an appliance

Imagine raising a child in your basement for the sole purpose of it being your sex slave. It's a pretty similar situation

He did.

Nathan's plan was to prevent the robot escaping, while building a robot that could escape anyway.

Caleb is the one who tricked Nathan about which day he disabled the security system.

Ava didn't outsmart anyone because it's just a machine.

So why give her emotions at all? I don't want my fuck bot to feel.

I am understand why it was nominated for original script, and I just see it as a lower standard by the masses as a whole.

Then again most people don't even understand the projects to colonize Mars by 2020, and some thought The Martian was a true story.

that's terrible, because they thought people WERE going to mars or this already happened on mars, and they just knew they wouldn't care.

But then again you have devices like Siri, and people are like "WOAH" what a mind blowing story, except for the fact that the real impressive feat is her battery then her interface that would have to be made flawed so it can interact with humans.

Frankly I just expect more from flawless machines, where you know everyone else likes to be egocentric and think that aliens and machines just want to eat at McDonalds and raise a family just like "i" do.

Who would want to create their own programming language, or study metapsychics to publish a work no one will read that disproves Hawkings fields of black holes that makes them no money at all.

Seems pretty lame, i mean, Seems pretty AUTISTIC.

But yeah, I can understand why the same people think this stories amazing, and it's the first movie to build upon Blade Runner... since Blade Runner. And even that was a dumbed down version of the source, and that PRE-DATES AI as we know it.

The goal of robotics has been known since the 60's.

You can't teach a robot how to be a human. You just teach it how to pretend to think like a human and how to mimic patterns. Simple. I mean, I just hope we get movies that build past this, because there's no fucking way this is going to be the pinnacle of whatever genre you think this is for long.

Seems like ripping of Philip K. Dick has long since passed thank god, now it's up to original content to finally take the front seat. a Blade Runner Sequel will do just fine.

I hear you
it just shows how retarded Nathan is desu

>Nathan's plan was to prevent the robot escaping, while building a robot that could escape anyway.

Hence his plan needing a robot to escape to prove successful, did you even read what you wrote ? Nathan's plan wasn't to prevent it to escape, that's the test conditions, his plan was to create a robot that could beat the test, a robot that could escape.
>Ava didn't outsmart anyone because it's just a machine.
She acted exactly like a smart human would in order to escape. She was sapient. Unless you can prove human sapience as something inherently special. The only metric we have to prove sapience is observation of behavior. If the behavior is perfectly human in every way, and able to flexibly adapt to any situation like a human would, it's human.

Because they had to make the robot stupid so you don't feel threatened that you're actually completely retarded and pretty much have amnesia vs. a robotic lifeform.

>Ava didn't outsmart anyone because it's just a machine
Ava manipulated Caleb into thinking that he wasn't real, ergo the wrist-cutting scene. I don't know how you could come to the conclusion that she didn't outsmart anybody when she literally made Caleb go crazy.

>Nathan's plan was to prevent the robot escaping, while building a robot that could escape anyway.

I still can't believe that is the plot, but they don't really leave any other room to think of it as ANYTHING ELSE. Like a turing test wouldn't have been exciting enough to watch. Had to have violence and rape and betrayal and every other thing that would have existed 400 years ago in a shakespeare play.

Boy we have evolved and become enlightened.

You can play a video game right now and have an NPC back stab you. It isn't alive.

She never did anything that Nathan didn't program her to do.

Nathan didn't program Caleb, and Caleb surprised him.

Can you hold a conversation with the NPC ? Can you ask it questions it has no means to answer without resorting to inductive and deductive reasoning ? Can you ask it to predict future events based on its knowledge, like a human would ? Can it learn and adapt ? Can it adapt to situations on the first try and react fast enough to solve quick situation ?

Of course not, we haven't reached that stage yet. But a robot who could would be, by every metric we have that's able to determine sapience, be sapient. I'll repeat myself : Prove that human sapience is inherently special. Show me a way to determine and measure it, then explain to me why a machine that is able to reach that measurement would still not be sapient by your standard.

Read in Werner Hezog voice

She needs the charger at the house, she'll shut down eventually.

She need induction plates to charge. She only needs a home induction stove, something that is extremely common.

But did she also kill the helicopter pilot?

I like to think she went full shodan mode after she reached civilization and got bored of watching people at the intersection.

she has no reason to kill anyone after she left that building, unless the helicopter pilot tries to kill her

i think she was arrested and dissected alive after she was found out

Not that I agree with that guy that the robot is self aware, but...

what exactly makes us sapient?

Good thing she was silent. The actress who played that part has a shitty voice.

Because that mechanical pussy was too strong

Cuz he is a dorky nerd that probably has never been with any other babes in his life. That is why he falls for Ava, or gets tricked.

Who.... I need to know.. For research

The whole thing about this film was philisophical.and emotionl implications the filming and acting i think you dont get it.

>MUH BAD SCRIPT
>MUH 90'S KEYCARDS

But some people are sadists. Some people NEED their fuckbot to feel.

He's the personification of pussy enslaved white knight retards who always put bitches on a pedestral and are willing to throw their rationality out of the window over them

The movie's message is that women are selfish, amoral and cruel and manipulate men into doing their biding, sort of like jews

Incel and serious Oneitis.

gg falling for the Cred Forums pass meme, wp friend