Is TOS even canon? Of course the movies are, but what about the series?

Is TOS even canon? Of course the movies are, but what about the series?

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Canon is a bullshit concept used to control idiotic fanboys.

Canon changes when they need to print more money.

Scotty appears in TNG and references events that took place in TOS.
DS9 crew traveled back in time to The Troubles with Tribbles. Even if you see that as quasi-canon, the time orb introduced in that episode was used later on.
The Constitution class ship that disappeared in TOS' The Tholian Web ended up in the mirror universe, as seen in ENT.
Short answer: yes

TOS is terrible.

TOS is the only canon.

This. Everything else is fanfic.

ugh, like frick off

Nah, TOS is god awful and if anything is separate canon, not establishing.

TOS is canon. All subsequent series and movies are not.

>I think it's awful so it's not canon

Everything else comes from it. It's the true canon.

>Scotty appears in TNG and references events that took place in TOS.
He also seems to have forgotten Kirk died and he was there

Nice head-canon.

>He hasn't seen Generations
You have no honor

Wut?!

Yeah, true. Since they said that they could only retain like 98% of his pattern (or whatever), in my head-canon the missing percent contained his memory of Kirk disappearing. Whatever, killing off Kirk was unbelievably stupid.

>that one Scotty put himself in a transporter matrix for like a century, was materialized during the age of the Enterprise D

t. Underage faggot

How could you actually think this?

"Commander, tell me about how you did nothing wrong"

>green shirt
what does that mean in the trekkie canon?

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Isn't yearning for emotion an emotion?

No, like how spicy isn't a taste.

This is what happens when memes fall into of inside a black hole.

I need more Star Trek reaction images.
It's urgent.

I take screenshots randomly whenever I'm watching Trek, you never know what you'll catch

Yes but its overruled when it contradicts later stuff like with the bible. My head-canon puts it down to parallel universes that happen at least once a season.

What did he mean by this?

it's so cool to see girls that you can tell are true fans of star trek.

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>What are you doing back there, Garak?

IIRC he was bros with Captain Frajer in the Star Trek EU and most of the TOS crew were still alive for various reasons so he had a pretty good end

How can you tel they're not?

>tfw you're screwing your greatest despised enemy's daughter

>not liking TOS

>referencing the EU

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Female spock is so qt

I would fuck bottom right Spock.

Isn't that the same girl in red in both pics?

Fucking cosplayers, they ruined fandom!

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this is the only correct opinion

this grin, i love this actor.

>>green shirt
>what does that mean in the trekkie canon?
Command in TOS wore green, but the material they used plus lighting on set made them look yellow, so in TNG they just changed it to yellow. There are loads of TOS episodes where Kirk is wearing a different style of uniform that does show up as green though.

you might just be gay

Why can't one be a fan and also cosplay TOS? Is it not the progenitor of the entire franchise, and an equally valid and cherished component of said franchise?

90% of normies are aware of TOS
about 70% are aware of TNG, only because of Picard
20% are aware of DS9
10% of VOY
1% of ENT

Because that's "A Star Trek costume", a cosplayer won't look any further into it than that.

Look me in the post and tell me you think those girls like cheesy 60s sci-fi shows and not just being the undivided center of attention and showing off their cute outfits on social media.

>Canon is a bullshit concept used to control idiotic fanboys.

True that.

TOS is canon, but there are a lot of things in it that were quietly never mentioned again. Androids, for instance, were fucking everywhere in TOS, but made to be practically unheard of in TNG to make Data special. Human psychics are another thing, they were frequently plot points, but seemingly nonexistent in later series.

Anyone ever tell you you've got more issues than a newsstand?

>Anyone ever tell you you've got more issues than a newsstand?
No, none of my friends grew up in the 1930s

I heard Kirk and Spock were queer for each other.

Is that canon?

Kirk never showed any interest in any males, not even Spock.

To my recollection, Spock never showed any interest in anyone of either gender, he was always rebuffing Nurse Chapel's advances too and I don't think he ever had children or a family.

Recently-resurrected young Spock on the Genesis planet went through Pon Farr and it's implied he mated with Saavik, but she said it was necessary for him to survive and he wasn't talking so I don't know if you could count that as proof of his sexuality, she was literally the only other person on the planet.

No. Closest thing we have to a canon gay Trek relationship is Garak and Bashir. It is also the best relationship in the franchise. Prove me wrong.

only thing not cannon is JJverse

kek

it depends on how you classify the trill. Are they gay when they change hosts?

No. Trill have no gender. Thats why Crusher rapes Riker.

>Rapes Riker
>Causes the crew to de-evolve
>Culturally insensitive to the crippled Worf

Did Crusher do ANYTHING right besides cheat on her husband with Picard and conspire with him to send poor Jack to his death on a suicidal away mission before he got suspicious and ran a DNA check on Wesley

extremely useful on Cred Forums

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>It's an everyone makes fun of Spock at the end of the episode episode

Did I leave the replicator on.jpg

>vulcans in charge of banter

>It's a "Starfleet uniform is way sexier than cheesy catsuits" episode

>DS9 and TOS are the only ones who look presentable

I wouldn't introduce the Voyager cosplayers to my parents or anything, but they look cool enough to hang out with at conventions.

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It's canon, but at the same time they knew a lot of it is silly, so they choose to ignore it. Many of the episodes will never be referenced again.

Its constantly referenced in TNG

Oh wow. Never knew that.

Yes, Roddenberry subtly confirmed it:

>"Yes, there's certainly some of that, certainly with love overtones. Deep love. The only difference being, the Greek ideal... we never suggested in the series... physical love between the two. But it's the... we certainly had the feeling that the affection was sufficient for that, if that were the particular style of the 23rd century." (He looks thoughtful.) "That's very interesting. I never thought of that before."

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>watching TOS for the first time
>every woman is a supermodal in a miniskirt, vaseline lense and sultry music for the closeup
>Kirk tries to fuck a 14 year old girl, backs away when he finds out she's 300
>Kirk's dark side tries to rape a coworker, she later apologises

Rodenberry was a randy old coot

>Kirk never showed any interest in any males, not even Spock.

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Yep, Kirk is absolutely, 100% heterosexual.

The name of the song in this video is called Another Night by The Real McCoy. I spent twenty minutes looking it up by searching google for gay 90s music

Next time, just hold your smartphone up to your computer's speakers and run one of those music-identifying apps.

We're living in the future, Star Trek is real, deal with it.

Yeah but then that would have deprived me of a whole night of gay 90s club music.

T'Pol in 50s clothes >> T'Pol in a catsuit = T'Pol in a uniform

TOS is the best series.
TNG has a commie for a captain, but voyager has some big ass titties so I'll let that one pass

Use SoundHound.

Also, great fkn song m8

My understanding is that Roddenberry saw TNG as his big do-over and regarded none of TOS or TAS canon, and a vague "some" of the TOS movies noncanon. Safe to say anytime you see something from TOS contradicted on a later series then that never happened, but if you see it referred back to later then it did.

>Wesley creates inter-dimensional warp in 7th episode
>never used again

That shit is too dangerous. In one of the deleted scenes, Wesley turns into a lizard and is molested by the Traveler.

>Human psychics are another thing, they were frequently plot points, but seemingly nonexistent in later series.
please don't remind me of Charlie X.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't think a girl that had never seen TOS would cosplay Janice Rand.

This thread just keeps getting gayer and gayer.

Everything is gay in space.

>its another "species/entity that can do anything" episode

Just one example of several.

M8, even if they don't know her name and have never even seen the show her look is so iconic that it's basically the archetypal TOS female.

Fair enough, I guess. Though I do find it strange that some people find her look iconic when she was only in the first season.

I guess that wig was just too ridiculous to forget.

How gay do we want it lads? I can go gayer.

The fact that she's a leggy blonde in a miniskirt probably didn't hurt either; even with all of the top-tier trim on the show she's still a standout.

She was also immortalized as part of what I call the "TOS meme" - the perception of the show (Kirk as a womanizer, DUDE PRODUCTION VALUES LMAO, the Gorn, Sulu is gaaay, Nazis, etc.) in popular culture, regardless of validity or accuracy. Basically TOS for people who only know TOS from Robot Chicken and the Big Bang Theory.

>It's a "the enterprise goes to a planet where a starfleet captain/officer has been missing for months/years and he now rules over the natives in violation of the prime directive" episode

Is there any higher quality fandom than Star Trek? It seems like it only attracts the most benign and civil kind of space nerd.

"Heh."

Explain. Do you have any evidence other than your butthurt, redditor?

anything is better than early tng pajamas

So it has been brought to my attention that each villain in the Kelvin films is also in a Marvel film. (Trek 2009- Ang Lee's Hulk, ST:ID- Dr. Strange, ST:B- Thors 1&2). Following the pattern, who would the villain be for the fourth movie? Unless Kirk's old man is somehow the villain...

there were some comics set in the jj verse and they went out of their way to say that the original timeline still existed just in a parallel dimension. of course anyone who gets upset by star trek canon is a huge loser anyway so whatever.

This

And giving a shit about canon means you are entertaining the idea that some pieces of the fiction are more real than others. It's all fiction. It's all equally made up. Star Trek isn't real.

Also what's the point of tracking congruity? Anything as big and ongoing as star trek is going to be mostly shit anyway. Who wants to think and talk about horrible episodes or movies because they are canon? Just remember the good times and fuck off with the rest.

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Personally, I think canon is important to a degree. Not the part where nerds argue for hours on end about what is and isn't canon, just the basics of how things in this universe are supposed to work.

Basically, a guideline for for writers so they don't fuck shit up so badly that even normal people notice it.

Oh. That makes sense. Reddit seems convinced the JJTrek is the worstest thing to have ever happened to trek and that it should be considered no differently than fanfic. I thought that's where you were going.