Why are babyboomers so obsessed with this guy?

Stagecoach is easily his best you pleb

I can kind of understand calling westerns the capeshit of their day, but there are far more great westerns than great capeshit films.

I've never really liked that one very much desu. I've seen it twice. Sell me on why it's so great.

Most movies are shit in general, Westerns are no exception. If you can find me a genre that is consistently good I'll eat my hat

>Ford "kept needling Duke about his failure to make it as a football player", comparing him to Strode (a former NFL running back), whom he pronounced "a real football player". (Wayne's football career at USC had been curtailed by injuries.) He also ridiculed Wayne for failing to enlist during World War II, during which Ford filmed a series of widely praised combat documentaries for the Office of Strategic Services, and was wounded at the Battle of Midway,[8] and Stewart served with distinction as a bomber pilot. "How rich did you get while Jimmy was risking his life?" he demanded.

Cary Grant was a classy gentleman. That kind of person doesn't exist anymore. A man who cares about his personal apperence and maybe likes show tunes, a guy like Grant or Fred Astaire or Gene Kelly, would today be seen as making some kind of statement about gender roles. But Cary Grant was a man's man. He was also just one suave fucker.

agreed

Jimmy Stewart was based. He was underweight and they wouldn't let him enlist. He had to beg them to let him join.

"John Wayne"-his real name was Francis or Clancy- was hardly a macho man. He just acted like one really well.

Nit to mention that awkward little way he walks. Looks like we went to the vet and got fixed.

Marion was his real name.

Interesting and complex characters, straightforward yet exciting story, and Ford's best work as a director made during his creative peak IMO. It's the only Western I can watch over and over and over again

And of course this has nothing to do with its quality, but it's still impressive how it brought the Western out of the B-movie ghetto and made it a respected genre. Dodge City with Errol Flynn also deserves some credit for this though

I can't tell if this is bait, but Spaghetti Westerns are far more juvenile than most "adult westerns" from the golden era of hollywood. Yes there were generic cowboy westerns made for a quick buck, but the westerns that were made with big stars for a big audience are absolutely not for kids.

I love the action sequence at the end, and Tommy Mitchell is great, though I think he should have one the Oscar that year for Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, but something about the movie just never clicks with me. I don't know. Maybe John Carradine's character always rubbed me the wrong way.

Feo, Fuerte y Formal.
That's how the real man should look like.

Real men who dodge the draft, none of those Jimmy Stewart pussies.

this.

how do you dodge the draft and still be considering a 'real man'?

Then there's this suave motherfucker

Wayne had just achieved stardom, those few years during WWII were critical as to whether he'd stay that way. It's easy for Ford to criticize him when he'd been an established director for more than a decade, fuck him

Because he was a fat, racist coward. He's like an older version of Steven Seagal.

>muh career
What a manly man.

Ask Trump!

You have to remember that there were a lot fewer options for entertainment back then.
If you were a big star in those days you were everywhere. Unlike today where you can totally ignore the big stars and still have mountains of entertainment.

Because of that, everyone knew him and has fond memories that they can relate to amongst each other.

How is being a mindless drone who only exists to follow orders and die in a war not his own a "real man"?

Why are millennials so obsessed with this guy?

I really hope this is bait and you're not seriously arguing that MUH CAREER is a valid reason for dodging the fucking WWII draft.

>critical

In a selfish, figurative sense. Not in the "fate of the free world hangs in the balance and his contemporaries were going off to fight and die for it" literal sense.

John Wayne was a Nazi

He liked to play SS

He had a picture of Adolf his boy

Tucked in his cowboy vest

Eh my post wasn't so much bait as it was just poorly written.

I just do consider many of those old Hollywood classics to frankly be boring. I'd love to be that old geezer who makes himself a Rusty Nail and then watches Shane for the 10th time but it's just a boring movie.

On the other hand the Spaghetti Westerns and Sam Peckinpah just more or less turned Westerns into straight up horror films featuring deprived characters and lots of exciting violence. No wonder the great modern Westerns like Unforgiven and No Country For Old Men take their calls from those movies. They're just far more exciting.

And I hate to present myself as someone who only cares about films that have lots of gore, I absolutely love a good Hitchcock movie. But I've never seen an old Hollywood western that could compare to a Hitchcock thriller.

Only you.

It may be hard for a NEET to understand, but being career-driven is something that has been linked with masculinity for millennia

Is that a Dead Kennedys song or something?

He disliked Trumbo.

Cause he is shit, just like them

>John Wayne

The Vietnam War was a terrible mistake, I don't blame Trump for dodging it. WW2 was extremely important, there's no excuse for Wayne dodging it.

Jesus christ you are so clearly a 17 year old IMDBcore fan it hurts.

BTFO

because he's one of the GOAT male actors and his shitty opinions can't change that

By having spineless weak minded cock suckers make excuses for you:

because he still has the power to trigger faggots long after his death

Where is the love for Gary Cooper.

Well, Trumbo was an absolutely terrible human being. Great writer but that doesn't excuse the fact he was a hardcore Stalinist who didn't think there was anything wrong with spilling tons of innocent blood.

spaghetti westerns are the discount post-modern version of real westerns

I meant to say how hypocritical it is, the same people that praise JW's atrocious movies are the ones that would brand you a coward and traitor if you dodged the draft.

Yet this posterchild of masculinity and all things manly does it and it's pretty much ignored?

Thank you for Correcting The Record.

>fate of the free world hangs in the balance and his contemporaries were going off to fight and die for it
Geez, reading this I felt like I was watching a propaganda short from the 40's. John Wayne put himself before his country, maybe that makes him less of a patriot, but that doesn't make him less of a man.

It's not like the war hinged on whether John Wayne signed up or not, something that Wayne himself likely reasoned.

Is that what it's called when someone points out that you've been cucked to the point that you defend a cowardly draft dodger?

Who are you voting for this election, shill?

>It's not like the war hinged on whether ____ signed up or not

If only all servicemen felt the same, huh?

Nice attempt at deflection

Good ol Jimmy, he was superior to Wayne in literally everything.

>It's not like the war hinged on whether John Wayne signed up or not, something that Wayne himself likely reasoned.

He dodged the draft, this wasn't a newsletter you just opt-out of

And you sound like you watch TCM every night.

Who are you voting for?

HAPPY THANKSGIVING PILGRIMS

Because hes a great little actor

Jimmy could never play a Wayne character, and vice-versa
No point in comparing them

desu he has a point

Most of the old Hollywood Westerns are beautiful and well directed, but the acting and narratives were usually very dull and corny

>, I absolutely love a good Hitchcock movie.
>I'm a tasteless drone that loved the scooby doo of his time
Amazing

I've seen The Searchers and True Grit and really liked both of them. I've heard great things about Rio Bravo and plan on watching it eventually. What other Wayne Westerns should I check out?

I know which of these I'd rather be and which knows more about film and it's not the one that's seen Fight Club and Boondock Saints ninety times.

>implying Trump skipped out on Vietnam because of it's merits
>implying he wouldn't have skipped literally any war no matter how important it was
>implying Wayne didn't make a far greater impact on America by staying home then he ever could've by going to war
>implying Trump wasn't just sitting on his ass at home counting bills

Fair point, except for how the USA wasn't exactly the deciding factor in the fight against Germany which had already shot itself in the foot one too many times, and the fight against Japan was ultimately won by science, not manpower

The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance

>Hitchcock
>scooby doo of his time
Wew lad

Watch the shootist, he has ass cancer in this one

or this one

Nah. Those "real westerns" of yours were mostly the discount normie version of the silent era westerns that came before and western pulp literature.
The Spaghetti Westerns then went back to the genre's pulp roots while modernizing the formula in conjuration of drawing influence from Kurosawa and Ford.

It does when you call for war but are too cowardly to actually fight yourself.

You're so used to only bad movies being popular that you can't fathom that in the old times you could be both great and popular

I thought he died of stomach cancer not ass cancer

>its a "millenials go out of their way to bitch about John Wayne as a masculine figure" episode

I love James Stewart, for his outwardly appearance of being a timid man he was incredibly based as fuck.

>After the first preview, Hitchcock was unsure whether to keep the "letter writing scene" or not. He decided to remove it. Herbert Coleman, Vertigo's associate producer and a frequent collaborator with Hitchcock, felt the removal was a mistake. However, Hitchcock said, "Release it just like that." James Stewart, acting as mediator, said to Coleman: "Herbie, you shouldn't get so upset with Hitch. The picture's not that important."

It makes me laughing thinking how Vertigo is now seen as one of the greatest films of all time and Stewart just talked about it like it was just a product. Probably the least pretentious great actor.

John Wayne was in a lot of damn movies and I'd say only 10% of them are good

the vast majority of spaghetti westerns are stupid schlock

>he wasn't
dial k for kek

>Hating Fight Club
Fight Club is a good comedy and should never be in the same sentence as Boondock Saints.

Hitchcock can't make anything else because he has no unique voice all he knows is making garbage thrillers that he can copy/paste, and who can blame him? The plebeians go wild.

The shootist is his last film, directed by Don Siegel by the way. He portrays an aging cow boy who discovers that he has cancer in his ass.

The Spaghetti Westerns eliminated any depth or realism from westerns, focusing on "muh epic bloodshed and bad guys lmao", just like Tarantino did with crime cinema in the 90es.

Hey guys, let's film this flick downwind of an atomic bomb test site, what's the worst that can happen?

John Wayne also married 3 times and cheated on all his wives

not just good, classics of cinema

good one

Does anybody give Eastwood shit for being a lifeguard during Korea?

> realism

You don't know your left from your right don't you?

oh I see lel

MDC

Millions of Dead Cops. From Austin Texas but relocated to San Fransisco

That doesn't describe Tarantino's 90s films at all. Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown are incredibly down to earth movies. He went over the top violence with Kill Bill when he was far away from his crime cinema.

Big complaint of Tarantino is that he's a pompous asshole and a plagiarist. But there's a sincere lack of "epicness" in his early movies. I think the only exception to that would be Mr. White murdering cops firing two handcannons at once in Reservoir Dogs. Otherwise he focused mainly on the mundane and trivial aspects of criminal life.

John Wayne's 3 wives were all hispanic and he hated Blacks with a burning passion.

Also I don't know if any of you have ever been to the National Cowboy Museum in Oklahoma City, but it has a lot of John Wayne's Indian Art collection, guns etc. Man had incredibly good taste in art.

>Otherwise he focused mainly on the mundane and trivial aspects of criminal life.
It might not be epic, but I wouldn't consider the confrontation near the end of Pulp fiction to be Mundane or Trivial.

I see, the fact you find it boring and prefer more action packed westerns is absolutely fine, what I objected to was you saying old hollywood westerns are for kids, when if anything it's the other way round.

Shane is a wonderful movie. Maybe if you did watch it 10 times you'd get it. But don't force it - you might come around one day.

What do you think of High Noon? I don't see how that could bore anyone, it's so short and you say you like thrillers. How about comedies - something like Destry Rides Again?

epitome of a "man"

he was a status symbol and still is

don't much like quitters, son

What are some essential Jimmy Stewart films?

Liberty Valance, Vertigo, The Capra films, Rear Window, Harvey, Shop around the Corner

>Pulp Fiction
>incredibly down to earth

you've been poisoned

Reminder that John Wayne was red-pilled as fuck:
>I believe in white supremacy, until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people ... I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from [the Native Americans] ... Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
and on social programs:
>I know all about that. In the late Twenties, when I was a sophomore at USC, I was a socialist myself—but not when I left. The average college kid idealistically wishes everybody could have ice cream and cake for every meal. But as he gets older and gives more thought to his and his fellow man's responsibilities, he finds that it can't work out that way—that some people just won't carry their load ... I believe in welfare—a welfare work program. I don't think a fella should be able to sit on his backside and receive welfare. I'd like to know why well-educated idiots keep apologizing for lazy and complaining people who think the world owes them a living. I'd like to know why they make excuses for cowards who spit in the faces of the police and then run behind the judicial sob sisters. I can't understand these people who carry placards to save the life of some criminal, yet have no thought for the innocent victim.
How did he get away with it?

He was such a fucking shitty actor.

>How did he get away with it?
most people agreed with him

Yeah, but he was a great movie star.

In 1971?

Great song.

youtube.com/watch?v=YFjLmqAZ_0o

Anatomy of a Murder is the GOAT courtroom drama.

He's their Arnold.

Better than John's album, that's for sure

>implying Arnold, Stallone, JCVD, Dolph, Bruce Willis aren't real men

If America was still majority white most people would agree with him today

His entire role in every movie is just sitting there drawling. I'm fine with shitty actors who are just there to be macho, but at least make them vaguely entertaining like Arnie or Stallone. John Wayne is just really fucking boring.

Are you using a special nonstandard meaning of "majority white" here?

His real name was Marion.
And he was macho. He hated blacks, loved conservatism and guns, was also huge at 6'4".

Ohhhhhh wellllll come on officer I ,uh, I just want to help the boys over thereuh

Only numales and fags dislike Wayne.
Unfortunately, more and more of these are in this place

>he hated Blacks with a burning passion.
sauce for this?

already posted

>Wayne was shit

AYO HOL UP

Stagecoach is the greatest film of all time

>old films that put exclamation marks in the title

When you star in 142 movies over the course of your career, which is impressive in itself for the time, there are bound to be some duds mixed in.

>implying that's bad

nah, not even top 30 western or top 5 Ford. Still great though

>Actors
>Tough
You do realize they're all drama fags who started in high school musicals.

>red-pilled
>zionist

Yeah.

Not all

kek

Well lots of actors we all think are badasses are just doing their job. They act like badasses.

It's honestly ridiculous how people think some actors are tough just cause they saw a movie where he punched, or shit a guy.

The vast majority of actors with no family connections to the biz, were theatrefags who got made fun of thoughout high school

>shit a guy
lol I meant shot

Whatever happened to Gary Cooper?

ded

Maybe like Toto he's still kicking around

So he was a redditor

And was married twice to Mexican women.

Latinas are the best wives for men, dedicated to family and won't cheat.

Not when its ducking out of your duties, nitwit.

Because he wasn't a cuck.

btw- he was a liberal irl, so why does the left hate him so much?

Because the liberalism of them compared with the SJW one of now is pretty much like compari

Same goes for the majority of "normal" westerns, it's just that the well made Spaghetti Westerns approach greater heights, mostly thanks to Leone.

>realism
If you're watching westerns thinking this was how the west was back in the day, you might as well do the same by contrasting superhero flicks with the modern era.

You telling me you don't like Spaghetti Westerns, amigo?

I read this in his voice.

Well, i guess there's two kinds of people in this world.

>And he was macho. He hated blacks
Being afraid of "the darkies" doesn't make you tough, Cletus.

they were just actors you dipshit

Man, you CTR shills are hilariously desperate. Your baseless assumptions aren't going to sway anyone.

>hating niggers means being afraid of them
>recognizing the danger of a wild animal is unreasonable
Why do I respond to such bait...

Wrong dude they are obsessed with the other guy I don't know his name he was big physically

He was fantastic in John Ford films, truly amazing actor and performer. Up there with Marlon Brando, Schwarzenegger, James Dean as something more than human desu.

The most annoying part is most of them haven't even seen his films.

I've lived around blacks my entire life and never once been attacked by them.
But I guess some brainwashed nitwit who lives on the internet would know better.

>the conservative version of a champagne socialist

le based as fuck amirite.

OP confirmed for not having seen one of the greatest films of all time and one of the most magical character introductions ever.

So just, kys I guess?

Excellent post, friendo. All these names fit the bill of being more than actors, more than stars even. They are icons, legends.

Mans man

>So just, kys I guess?
This site is for 18+ only.

There is literally nothing wrong with being a nazi.

Never was actually. Not in practice, and not even seriously in theory.

>I've lived around blacks my entire life and never once been attacked by them.
you're doing better than most blacks desu

>How did he get away with it?
How did he get away with saying sane things in a time before Jewish media hegemony?

>reddit = conservative
Imagine being such a cuck that REDDIT is too conservative for you

the strong silent type?

I lived around blacks and was assaulted and/or witnessed assaults every day. I saw one guy get shot.

For the same reason their kids are obsessed with Clint Eastwood. They were primadonna actors who somehow achieved an aura of being the kind of badass that they were portraying on the screen when the viewers were growing up.

Imagine being so socially retarded that you never shut about your politics and shoehorn them into every possible conversation.

That's just because capeshit hasn't been around for long enough. There's an insane amount of westerns out there, and 99% is schlock.

>socially retarderd
>mattering on Cred Forums
stop being gay

That's not it. Marvel will never let auteur work on their product freely, like imagine Shane Carruth doing a fucking Doctor Strange film now, nope. They have to be safe, predictable and engineered to pander to test groups etc. They did let Ang Lee and Del Toro do something when they weren't cashcows, yeah, but not now.

DC let Snyder (auteur, like it or not) do Superman films, I guess this is plus, but he isn't good director. They let another auteur, Ayer, do a film but they had exectutives meddle with it.

Shit like John Ford's westerners were full products of auteur with nothing like this in them, or Howard Hawks. I guess what I'm saying is that these are more studio films than director films.

he was a literal in the closet faggot and nazi

one of those things is worse than the other, given his outspoken opinion at the time

john wayne was a faggot, and probably got fucked by a nigger at least once before he died from smoking like a fucking train, which is funny, because that's another stupid thing that he advocated and ended up dying from it, like the bitch of a man he was

PARTNER

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Damn, this guy is desperate. Okay, mate, have a (You).
Oops...

>@@74960112

is this bait? have you bought your Cred Forums pass yet?

It's the hip new way to make sure people don't get the "(you)"'s (as in upvotes) that they're looking for.

Because he killed people while dressed as a clown.

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it's about the fact that zero effort retard posters don't deserve a (You)

>going to the effort of editing a post link because you're so colon crushed you have to let the thread know *somehow*

LOL beta as fuuuuuuuuuuck, no wonder you're hanging off of wayne's dick

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haha triggert

>melanin enriched individual detected

You reek of new and someone trying to fit in. Fuck off

The phrase "in like Flynn" was derived from his legendary ability to bed any woman he chose to.

>all these tears

you faggots need some johnson & johnson baby shampoo, jesus

who knew Cred Forums was so easily enraged

what an embarrassing user base

The Duke is a national treasure. I watched Hatari! the other week. By all measures a completely forgettable story, but Wayne is such a presence on screen that it made it fully enjoyable. Just the way he delivered his lines and carried himself made him appear larger than life. Boomers weren't wrong in idolizing him.

>Boomers weren't wrong
Let me stop you there.

The guy was a literal homosex, tho.

>the duke
>not the 2pac of actors

started getting typecast in that role and decided he'd make a life out of it, no better than a cuckold that makes their fetish public because everyone has to know how progressive they are, they take something they liked and build themselves around it, and overdo it to the point where it's obvious the only time they're actually that person is when they're in front of a screen or around people they think are impressed by it, because what they really are is average garbage

2pac and wayne started playing pretend about their characters because nobody respected who they really were before that, not that anyone respects a cuck, but they're on the same footing as far as living a lie goes

>inb4 more wayne dickriders ride in to white knight a dead faggot who was really good at being an imaginary cowboy and literally nothing else

>Spaghetti Westerns are so much better and interesting.

>this salty
Why tho

John Wayne was overrated, user. Sorry but you gotta rip that band-aid off sooner or later.

i don't like fake people who can't leave their imaginary personalities are, especially when other retards take them seriously, sorry

also, he wasn't even that great of an actor, and that was his fucking job, which is sad

like i said, people only like him because they believe that he was that person off set, and he made a point to make it seem that way

nothing salty about stating facts user

>that awkward little way he walks.
According to a few of the women he worked with, he walked like that because he had tiny feet. Not just small feet, feet that were ridiculously small for his body (something like a size 6 US), which made it hard for him to stay balanced.

For some reason, I think that's hilarious. A man regarded as a classic Hollywood badass couldn't walk normally because of his tiny feet.

Overrated means nothing. About a film it's already dumb, but with a person it goes further. What it means? His acting, his presence, his style, his what?

>not salty
>proceeds to be salty
>'gays not welcome' image
How wise you are.

To the 'points', you project and strawman everything. The great admiration to Wayne is not from his acting, but mainly indeed his persona, his enormous star power when onscreen.
To dislike fake people? Every person has many facets, and different behaviors depending on the situation, so everybody's fake in context.
You clearly misunderstand Wayne and people who like him. But really you're just childish/dumb.

>>inb4 more wayne dickriders ride in to white knight a dead faggot who was really good at being an imaginary cowboy and literally nothing else
He's an actor. Should we hate him for acting?

>To the 'points', you project and strawman everything. The great admiration to Wayne is not from his acting, but mainly indeed his persona, his enormous star power when onscreen.
>To dislike fake people? Every person has many facets, and different behaviors depending on the situation, so everybody's fake in context.
>You clearly misunderstand Wayne and people who like him. But really you're just childish/dumb.

i'm sorry i hurt you user

also, you sound like a faggot

again, no wonder you're so into john wayne and his "screen presence" lol

when they're off set? absolutely.

but you're so deluded with this idea you have about him you can't recognize that he wasn't this larger than life guy you think he was

>john wayne
>not racist as fuck
>not a Cred Forumsack

He literally punched s producer in the face and called him a kike

>these images
>this formatting
>this style of writing
>shitty condescending opinions
Pathetic display all around, but that's what you get with open borders to the reddit kids. Everybody knows you're just a dirty tourist scum, btw

>dodged WWII
>so he could make a living playing pretend
>once played pretend as military

such presence, a real man's man

L O L

>muh boogeyman
>being THIS upset over someone shitting on your faggot idol worship
>so sphincter stressed you start crying about being formal on a cambodian textile manufacturing forum

sad

I fucking love John Wayne

plenty of fags get pussy thrown at them. They're usually in shape and know how to dress, are obviously very casual and relaxed around women, etc. I struggle to imagine the hordes of 10s that were swarming Freddie Mercury

You Can't Take It With You and It's A Wonderful Life are pure comfykino

Vertigo, Rear Window, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance are probably his best actual acting

Mr Smith Goes To Washington is also worth it for being a classic.

>dedicated to family and won't cheat.
maybe the fat ones who already gave up.

kek, I remember the trailer from that. He literally plays John Wayne but in Mongol clothes

Vertigo, Rope, Rear Window, Liberty Valance, Two Rode Together, Flight of the Phoenix, Anatomy of a Murder, Harvey, The Naked Spur, The Man From Laramie

Freddie Mercury liked to fuck both men and women though.