Why did this movie get and still gets so much hype?
It was a well directed action-movie, but also it has so many tiny flaws sprayed all over it, like the story-link to harvey "two-face" dent, which seems pretty out of place for me and just stretches the movie to an unbearable length, imo it was not necessary for the development of the whole plot.
Also Heath Ledgers take on the joker is just overacting.
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>Also Heath Ledgers take on the joker is just overacting
you do realise he died making that film? he got so far into the way of the jokers thinking that he went insane himself. thats commitment. so think about that the next time you say he was "overacting". jerk
>well directed action movie
I think there are quite a few questionable directing choices and decisions. Sure most of my issues with it are editing and pacing but of course Nolan famously can't film action fight scenes, some of the line delivery or takes they use are kind of weird or laughable, like NO DEAD COPS. I don't know if the editor just chose poor takes or Nolan just thinks these takes are good enough and moves on. I mean comparing Nolan to someone like Fincher, who does as many takes as he needs to make sure that everything in the frame, every action, every actor, every extra is working in sync perfectly, Nolan seems to lack that attention to detail. You constantly have background extras making weird faces, overacting, performing visibly poor action choreography it just stands out. Nolan seems to be a spectacle and concept guy but struggles with the other elements. This was slightly visible in the dark knight and then of course became full blown for dark knight rises.
just because someone died for a certain role, doesn´t make it a good perfromance. in fact it´s the other way round, if an actor is going native and immerses with his role, he does something wrong.
That lack of critical distance shows in his portrayal of the joker.
Heath ledgers performance made a lot people forget about a lot of the obvious flaws, for example the jokers plan is nonsensical and shouldn't work on any level
>n fact it´s the other way round, if an actor is going native and immerses with his role, he does something wrong.
But that's called method acting user. A lot of actors use this method to bring life to characters. Whether it's executed well or not is a different story, but this form of acting is widely used.
>still can't get over the fact it's better than your Marvel kiddie shit
nah, iam not really into capeshit at all
>it's an user falls for the method acting meme episode
heat leder died 5 months before it came out
It's a brilliant movie compared to the complete shit that was The Dark Knight Rises.
>mfw this happened 15 years ago
Why did DC substituted Nolan with Snyder again?
You can't say anything about Ledger since he's dead bro, you know the rules.
That was a publicity Runour you gullible idiot
Heath had insomnia and he died because he took too many different pills in a short amount of time
why
yeah, just give him praise and an oscar and never ever talk about him again
>this form of acting is widely used
That doesn't lend it any credibility at all
>rumours
There are pictures of his Joker diary.
I feel like, and this is only for action scenes, Nolan feels like the audience will be "caught in the moment" and won't realise what shitty things are going on in the background, like people falling over without actually being hit. He doesn't realize that people are gonna be watching this shit at home with the ability to pause and notice how shitty the choreography is.
He died because he took too many drugs with the Olsen twins.
this. Fuck Nolan for not catering to the autists
It would have been neat if Gordon would have told JGL in TDKR that it seemed like the Joker was predicting the polices moves only because he had the whole city wired up with bombs and other things.
No, but the fact that many successful actors use it makes it credible.
DeNiro, Daniel Day-Lewis, etc
>and don't say two examples isn't enough, I'm not going to type out every actor, use google.
It doesn't take autism to notice people trying to hit Batman with guns instead of shooting him, user.
>he died because he took too many different pills in a short amount of time
trying to emmulate the joker
I don't see how method acting is a meme
>That doesn't lend it any credibility at all
Do you mean that the process isn't trustworthy? That it isn't a viable method?
His diary was so fucking cringeworthy.
post it?
I agree there are a lot of tiny flaws throughout the film, but I don't think it has any glaring movie ruining flaws.
I think Dent's downfall was well made and was a perfect way to deliver the ending.
can someone explain what exactly the plan was between batman, dent, and gordon? Like why did harvey turn himself in, when bruce was prepared to do it at the same time? Then they talk at the end about "we three planned to bring down the joker..."
yea it sounded like the plan was to use Dent as bait to draw out the joker...but Bruce was going to give himself up and no one knew Gordon was still alive, let alone had the time to talk to him to set the whole thing up. Then it turned out that getting caught was part of the joker's plan. So did joker know that Gordon was in the truck and was going to catch him? Plus Dent and Rachel get kidnapped after the whole chase scene, so did they expect Dent to give himself up and expected that they would be stopped during the chase giving the chance to capture him afterwards? So they knew that Dent wasn't actually batman because they were relying on getting caught by batman and dead Gordon, and knew that they would setup Rachel and Dent across town to fuck with batman? or was the plan to bring down joker simply the crack down on the mob? it didn't really seem like joker's plans would fall apart or stop without the mob. would he have simply lost funding for his schemes? or henchmen? plus they were going after the mob anyway, regardless of the joker so that plan wasn't to "bring down the joker" but just organized crime. there wasn't really a point where the joker got pissed off or annoyed that the mob all got arrested, his attacks on the mayor, the judge, and commissioner seemed like natural targets to go after in order to create chaos in the justice system and public order.
I am so confused
And people continue to give BvS shit for Luthor's plan..
There was no real plan among the three of them; Dent planned to turn himself in, Batman wanted to do the same. Seeing that Dent turned himself in, Batman saw that as a chance to get Joker.
Gordon had an actual plan in place, where he would use whoever turned himself in as the Batman to lure Joker out. It backfired considering Joker wanted to get caught anyway to present that ultimatum of saving either Dent or Rachel.
I guess Joker had a hunch that Dent wasn't really Batman, hence why he put so much effort into taking out the police when they escorted Dent.
>“One take is enough.”
—Christopher Edward Nolan
TDK is one of the most overrated movies of the past 10-20 years. All Nolan's trademark flaws are there, but they're obscured by Ledger's hammy, over the top acting and le epic premise of having a comic book character in a gritty le realistic world XD. Bunch of gay shit 2bh.
Whats wrong with his face?
>good movie
>people liked it
Quite a mystery
what was that?
It tried to be what BvS is, and doesn't succeed pretty well.
Cause Ledger died after doing it. That's the sole reason for it being memorable.
method acting is a fucking complete meme. There is no "method" that can work for every actor across the board. Thinking so is just not being a very good actor and not being very personal with your work. Also doing that "immersion" thing just really fills your head with so much unnecessary information that it gets distracting and inhibits your ability to tell the story cleanly and efficiently which is your fucking job as an actor. In acting, as in any art form the greatest elegance is subtlety and simplicity. If you can tell they're acting (i.e. "wow what a great performance") then they're doing their job shittily- in other words watch Meryl or DDL or Heath Ledger in TDK and you'll see what I'm talking about. You should be able to watch a character and forget you're seeing an actor. Watch any movie with John Cazale and you'll see what I'm talking about. The guy didn't have to overact to be brilliant.
ledgy
>There is no "method" that can work for every actor across the board.
Who said method acting has a set of rules that everyone should follow, or any form of acting for that matter? It's a process, and is malleable according to an actor's method of choice.
>Thinking so is just not being a very good actor and not being very personal with your work. Also doing that "immersion" thing just really fills your head with so much unnecessary information that it gets distracting
Quite the opposite m8. Have you ever written a research paper? If you have, you know that you don't put every single piece of information unless you're bullshitting, and the information you do put in needs a direction, or an argument.
Method acting is similar in the sense that an actor who chooses to throw themselves into a character has to come out very knowledgeable, but also know what to present to the camera, and what to hold back.
The good thing is that other actors and/or directors can advise you on what is important, and what is not. Storytelling is always a team effort
> In acting, as in any art form the greatest elegance is subtlety and simplicity.
I agree, Michael Kaine was brilliant at this, but that doesn't mean every actor wants/needs to take that approach. Complexity and/or controlled chaos is beautiful in its own right.
>If you can tell they're acting (i.e. "wow what a great performance") then they're doing their job shittily
This doesn't make any sense; every actor can fall victim to this, regardless of what method they use. And giving good performances is not exactly a bad thing either, whether you can tell or not.
>this whole thread
This film is a flawless masterpiece. Remember, kids, movie is reality-like, but not reality.
'no'
>I too stupid to comprehend good cinema.
Hey, it's from the next movie. Not fair to put that shit in this thread, you, cheater!
How is Dent out of place? He is the key to the whole movie. Batman is order, Joker is chaos, Two Face is probability. He's smack down in the middle of the two.
>a few quick glances of a couple pages of the notebook
>LELE IT WAS SO CRINGEWORTHY
fuck yourself m8, it wasn't literally the Joker's diary, it was just to help him get into the characters head and stay there, especially during long shooting days. It was sort of his road map for his version of the Joker.
Ledgerfags are so whiny.
ya well ur a cunt m8