Ywn see this on screen

Why the fuck would I want to look at a giant Deviantart watermark for 3 hours?

It would be worse than the Hobbit.
Hollywood is unable to make decent movies anymore.

There is barely any story written for it.
Nearly everything would be written by Hollywood writers, and we saw how that turns out it Hobbit 3.
It is better we never see it.

gay franchise gay books gay author thx

autism

so epic xd

You have to be 18 or older in order to post on this site.

>goes toe-to-toe with a literal god

based

But a Silmarillion movie would suck.

kek manlets when will they learn

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Didn't Morgoth walk with a permanent limp after this?

How can one man be so based as to to cripple a fucking god

He did indeed. And Morgoth feared him, he was the only Valar that knew fear.

Good, they would ruin it

fucking shit

By being stepped on and giving him a mega splinter

How exactly did he lose this fight?

>I DARE YOU
>COME OUT, YOU COWARD
>NOW ITS ME OR YOU

Realistically how would a Sil adaptation work? Multiple films? A TV series?

I'd say a tv series would work well. It would need writers and directors who absolutely love universe of Middle Earth unlike the kikes who write GOT

Fingoln got stepped after wounding Morgoth who is basically a god. Because of this Morgoth is the first of his kind to know fear.

some kind of mini series

It was a pyrrhic win.

Like how could it actually work or how it would realistically be done?

For it to work, an HBO mini series with less focus on sex and more on developing the characters. If you could get a Peter Jackson 2.0 (somebody who actually knows and cares about the project) it could be done well.

Realistically it would be made into a trilogy and bastardized for more shekels

it's a good thing that hobbit was trash, maybe it will dissuade jews from touching silmarillion

It would be a mess just like the book

THE FATE OF US ALL

>Under my foot...
>So hopless it seems...
>You've troubled my day...
>Now feel the pain...

LIES DEEP IN THE DARK

Morgoth won, but he took some damage, and decided to step on Fingolfin rather than kill him, which got his foot fucked up.
Also, the lord of the Eagles sucker punched him when he tried to defile the body, and Morgoth got his face ripped up.

You've got to remember that at this point, Morgoth was leagues below what he was as Melkor, since he'd put so much of himself into his corruptions, similar to how Sauron fucked himself up by putting too much of himself into the ring

I just want to see Feanor fighting some Balrogs

Not posting the superior live version.
youtube.com/watch?v=IZuPgixeKnY

12 part ken burns documentary, slow pans over maps, voice actors reading excerpts, reenactments.

One of my favorite parts of the universe of middle earth is that we're reading translated selections of the red book. The silmarillion were the oral histories of the elves that Bilbo was collecting when he lived in Rivendell. The hobbit is There and Back again, and the Lord of the rings was Frodo's contribution.

Tolkien wrote a book about a fictional "Tolkien" who was given/allowed to copy the book from the few hobbits that still exist in the modern world, and then publishes it. It's a delightfully understated touch of a meta-awareness in THE fantasy novel.

If you want to make a silmarillion adaptation a faux-documentary would be a great way to maintain the subjective context of the silmarillion being the elvish and middle earth history that personally interested Bilbo. He didn't give a shit about great big battles, and so those are just glossed over, while the romance and tragedies really interested him, so we get more time devoted to Turin and Beren's stories then we do a cataclysmic battle between elder gods, and immortal race that fell from grace, the last few free men, and the biggest dragon ever to be created by satan himself wherein an entire continent is shattered.

You don't need hack writers to flesh out parts, or waste time on obnoxious CGI back flipping elves, or much additional input.

Literally every single depiction of this duel is trash except pic related.

I think it'd be best as two movies which would focus on the story of the three silmarillions.
The first should briefly explain the creation of Arda and the history of Feanor and the silmarillion in the beginning, then the story could be about the elves foght against Morgoth including the Dagor Bragollach, and it should end with the duel of Fingolfin and Morgoth.
The second could be the story of Lúthien Tinúviel because by its story it would make a fantastic movie.
Well maybe there could be a third to make it more memetistic as it is a new trend, and it would make sense to close the story of Morgoth.

A silmarillion movie would suck, but parts of it could work if its chosen selectively. An intro with the creation of middlearth, then Fingolfin vs Morgoth and ending with the fall of Gondolin would work.

We just need a miniseries, with an episode per chapter.

There's a better one but it seems to have disappeared from the internet.

Fin is standing on the left side with his back to the viewer pointing his very shiny straight sword at Morgoth and he doesnt look like he's wearing a fucking bridal gown.

>tabard
>bridal gown

Could you be any more of a faggot?

You mean this one?

the point of it all is that its too fantastic to be described, much less put to film

This one is based. Both are, for different reasons.

The best adaption we'll ever get of the fight has already been made though

youtube.com/watch?v=bqHJEu3JT-0

Also why is Glaurung the best dragon?

>Fingolfin, one of the few noldor who wasn't a complete douche
>gets screwed over and abandoned by Feanor
>Leads his people across a massive and literal frozen hell
>becomes high king of the noldor
>Morgoth surprises the elves with a massive offensive
>Fingolfin barely manages to drive off the attack from his kingdom
>Gets fucking pissed
>Bystanders mistake Fingolfin riding to challenge Melkor as the god of the hunt
>Gets to Melkor's house
>Refuses to come out
>Fingolfin calls him a beta cuck pussy faggot coward afraid to face him
>Melkor has enough and comes out bearing a massive war hammer from hell's forge
>Fingolfin is fucking pissed and fights a literal god to a stand still
>Melkor is scared
>Eventually just starts cracking open the ground with missed blows
>Fingolfin eventually falls into a crater
>Nearly cuts off a gods foot as he's being crushed
>His body is about to be torn apart and fed to the wolves
>King of the eagles and personal messenger of the king of the gods saves the body at the last minute and takes the body back to his people
He's one of the few noldor who literally did nothing wrong.

I like that one because it's one of the few that doesn't have Morgoth as just an armoured face.
gets a pass for being the one that inspired the trend

Im not a big fan of Morgoths face or his spike orc shoes. His hammer looks great, as does Fingolfin and the general setting.

>Also why is Glaurung the best dragon?
He literally hated people to death.
That's not something you see every day, even from Tolkien dragons.

>that car in the background

Finally best dragon getting some recognition

Glaurungs shenanigans were fucking awesome

I just really hate modern spiky shit that makes no sense and only hinders movement. What an awful trend.

His face is doesn't look right

So the short guy was killed at the end and he only managed to injure the other dude's foot?

Anyone else also thinks that Doom of Mandos was realy unfair and cruel to those who crossed the Helcaraxe? I mean they had (mostly) nothing to do with kinslaying.

This is very well put and the only way to do it. The less we leave up to Hollywood the better.

>he only injured the literal satan, what a pussy

>Feanor crafts the Silmarils, the Valar try to force him to give them up against his will
>Mandos knows that Finwe is being murdered just as they're speaking and tells him fuck all about it
>His Silmarils get stolen, his father slain
>He rightfully gives the finger to the Valar and tries to get his revenge and his Silmarils back
>Mandos curses him and the Noldor for having the balls to go after Morgoth like the Valar should have done since the beginning instead of pussying out.

Leave my poor noldorfu alone, he did little wrong

its hard to take that fight seriously when one is the size of the others fist

couldn't Melkor just sneeze and blow the manlet away?

While its certainly impressive, at the time of the fight, he was probably bellow power level of Sauron with the ring that got beaten by Gil-Galad and Elendil.

HE DIDN'T LOSE.

Kinslaying noldor scum are not allowed here, kindly leave

Feanor did absolutely and utterly _nothing_ wrong

How would Tulkas fare in that fight?

GET OUT

Hey, you! What's your name?
>My name is Hugh... Mungus
Humongous what?
>I'm Hugh Mungus
This literal God just spoke to ME in a sexual harrasing manner!!
>No I did not!
I JUST ASKED HIM WHAT WAS HIS NAME AND HE SAID HE WAS HUMONGOUS
>The rest of Middle Earth: WHAT THE FUCK??
YEAH YEAH

Morgoth and Sauron qtest couple

Based on...what exactly? Sauron was his henchman.

Nasmith's strengths lie elsewhere.

Maybe next time you should try lending your boats to help fight the greatest evil in the universe, Teleri scum

>Feanor crafts the Silmarils, the Valar try to force him to give them up against his will
They asked nicely, after Satan destroyed the source of all light in the universe, to restore light to the universe.

>spotted the teler
kek

Why do so many tumblr artists draw exactly the same?

I enjoy how the end of fight was written.

Despite Morgoth winning, none of his army was very ecstatic about it since he actually struggled. Almost as if they were disappointed he didn't just stomp him right away.

Though perhaps not entirely surprising? Despite being a "god" of sorts, and being ageless... How much of his very long life did Morgoth spend actually training in combat?

Him disappearing for a few hundred years after first abruptly appearing must have been tense for the coalition.

You know this giant beast exists, you know what it is capable of. Yet for some reason it isn't coming out. Any day now it can...

Monkey see, monkey do I suppose.

Feanor is personally responsible for making everything everywhere objectively worse for everyone for literally forever.

I'm pretty certain Sauron, even at his height of power with the Ring in his possession, was never above Melkor.

>wearing a dress into battle

How do we modernize this ancient, obscure style to make it digestible for the casual viewer?

tolkien.cro.net/talesong/leithan.html

Actually I think Tolkien contradicted that in a letter. Sauron at his height was greater than Melkor at his weakest after having bled most of his power into his creations.

>You've got to remember that at this point, Morgoth was leagues below what he was as Melkor
whats the difference?

Based Tulkas only knows how to do two things:
1) Fuck Bitches
2) Kick Ass

They did not ask him nicely. It would have clearly led to give them up or else situation.
And fuck 'em too, they should have dealt with Melkor before he could team up with a giant light eating spider instead of fucking around.

Put in tons of quips :^)

>being a woman

This, at the and of war of wrath he fled to his deepest dungeon and begged for mercy when (maia) Eonwe came from him. He was even scared to fight Fingolfin, he only chose so because he was afraid he would lose respect of his commanders

>tfw if Similarion was made into a movie then modern people would slam it for not having enough blacks

>implying Luthien isn't fucking based

One of the main cast, Morgoth, is black. :^)

I also can imagine Aule being black.

what are those three jewels on his crown?

MUH SILMARILS

There's tons of orcs dude

Silmarils

This has excellent sound direction and pretty fine use of slow motion.

what do they do?

Basically Morgoth is an autist who likes anything shiny.

The gems even hurt him badly - burn his hansd badly while he's crafting them into his crown and the crown is very heavy on his head but he got them and he's damn well going to wear it even if the light itself coming from them is hurting him and evey other creature of darkness around him.

They are gems filled with the last light of creation.

They uh... they're very shiny and pretty

Good, Hackson butchered the everliving shit out of the Hobbit, the Silmarillion wouldn't fare much better.

Also Fingolfin was absolute GOAT

They could have easily taken them. They asked him if he would be willing to make a personal sacrifice for the good of everyone. When he said "No" they didn't press the issue. When he started acting like a complete faggot, they warned him that he was about to enter a world of hurt and drag everyone down with him, and he just sperged out even more.

They didn't deal with Melkor because they did not know when or where the race of men would be born and the last time they openly rode to war against him they literally broke the symmetry of the world.

Feanor was a hothead. Deal with it.

The gems are made using the essence of the two trees of light, made by a goddess to shine eternally over Valinor.

Spoiler: A giant spider ate them.

>2007
shit. i wonder what those guys are up to now

Ungoliant is terrifying. I did like one theory that Ungoliant and Bombadil are remenants of the prior world.

There's no prior world, Iluvatar made it out of nothing.

I think Bombadil and Ungoliant are some kind of "errors in the Matrix" kind of things.

user you're thinking of the elder scrolls.

inb4 Cred Forums, that shit has some deep lore.

According to Tolkien the world is going to end in a giant Ragnarok like event and it will create a new world. If it can happen once, it could've happened in the past.

According to the theory, that had already happened before and Bombadil and Ungoliant managed to survive it into the next.

Feels bad. But we were lucky to get above average quality in LOTR. Hollywood has only gotten worse and there's a 90% chance they'd butcher Silmarillion.

Artistic crutches that they never take off

>Yes, you understand now. Tamriel is just one more Daedric realm of Oblivion, long since lost to its Prince when he was betrayed by those that served him. Lord Dagon cannot invade Tamriel, his birthright! He comes to liberate the Occupied Lands!

>According to the theory, that had already happened before and Bombadil and Ungoliant managed to survive it into the next.

We have literally a chapter dealing with Eru creating the world, showing it to the valar from star to end in fast forward mode and his children descending into it to create mountains and river and everything.

Aw come on, Melkor got inside his head, filling him with doubts and distrust towards the Valar, and even though they found out about that, instead of dealing with it in a mature manner they exiled him, which only contributed to making him even more hostile.
They failed to deal with Feanor as they failed to deal with Melkor.

Literally and unironically fuck off and kill yourself

What are the essential works of Middle Earth lads? I have The Hobbit, LOTR, Similarion and Children of Hurin is there anything else?
Gonna read the Similarion and Children of Hurin after I finish WOT

Unfinished Tales

I think dagor dagorath was from an early version and got dropped from cannon.

Yeah, but what do they DO?

>listening to the devil
He's an asshole.

>ywn see tulkas giving an orbital elbow drop to morgoth on film

I wanna fuck that Sauron

They don't "DO" anything necessarily. But since they are something untouched that is the last remaining light of a more perfect world. They are symbols of purity and perfection. Works without parallel.

That's because he knew Sam would wipe the floor with them all

That's kind of like asking what does looking into the face of God do? They are things of pure beauty.

Take this to /lit/, you fucking nerds

>since he'd put so much of himself into his corruptions

That's an understatement. All of Arda is morgoths ring

Thanks, I never knew why everyone wanted them.

Melkor was the second most powerful being who ever lived.

Morgoth got fucked up by an elf.

They shine very prettily and they will burn the shit out of you if you lay your filthy, undeserving hands on them.

Tolkienposting is a Cred Forums staple

Fuck off

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but I thought it was the same guy?

He was not, stop being mean to this poor guy, he was merely misguided

>/lit/
how about no

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>by the realisator off the hobbit trilogy

thank god we'll avoid this

Melkor is the being he once was.
Morgoth was who he became when he fell.

It's useful to note, because Melkor hadn't divided his power up to the extent he did when he became Morgoth, and as such was much more personally powerful.

Maybe...jut maybe people should have kept their grubby fucking hands OFF MY GODDAMN SILMARILS

>we were lucky to get above average quality in LOTR.
Thats because it was a passion project of someone who was a huge fan of the books. He spent years going from studio to studio trying to sell them on it.

The hobbit, on the other hand, was something he did out of obligation after GDT dropped out and they threatened to give the project to brett ratner.

Unfortunately this would never get greenlit

This action in this picture looks retarded though. Is it just me or does it look like Sauron is falling backwards?

THAT'S NOT SAURON

>Sauron
user...

youtube.com/watch?v=9lyKxKn_WsE

Elder Scrolls movie when? I don't even care if it's good, I just want to be able to talk about TES lore on Cred Forums.

someone give a tl;dr on this
>Cred Forums - Television & Film
>talking about books

Kekked in real life

The works of Tolkien are the exception

>ywn see Morgoth humbling the elves

I'm both sad and glad a Silmarilion movie/series will never happen, it will only get butchered by the studio for the ratings/money.

>someone give a tl;dr on this
Someone greentexted the whole thing in the thread already.

Also, tolkien lore threads are one of the last bastions of scholarly discussion on Cred Forums since the blacked poster ruined porn discussion here.

Isn't Morgoth like a high level angel? Can such a being be portrayed accurately on film?

This, I don't want LotR to suffer the horrors of progressiveness

All of the ainur could take corporeal forms if they wanted to.

Morgoth took the form of massive boiling storm clouds when he's trying to be incognito before he attacked valinor.

This, Tolkien threads are the best
It's lovely to see how passionate people are about it, even if we can't get rid of the kinslaying noldor cunts

What do diamonds do? These are like diamonds, but infinitely more valuable. The whole thing is built upon the tragedy of greed.

>it's a butthurt teleri faggot episode
You're never getting those boats back mate

Me too m8...

They are filled with primordial light. After pic related destroyed the source of said light, the gods needs the light in the gems to "jump start" the source again.

Feanor said fuck that and bailed.

>best noldorfu
>a faggy psycho bitch who probably lusted after his father's cock
kek

That's kinda hot

WHEN TIME STANDS STILL AT THE IRON HILL

Diamonds can be used to make drills and other cool things

An elf with a flying ship used one to to punch a dragon as big as a mountain to death.

DELET

Based Earendil

>An Elf

Earendil the based. Show some respect to one of the baddest motherfuckers of all time

This.

That action is pretty fucking retarded looking. It is like the white dude is catching the big nigga to keep him from falling or some shit. IMAGINE THAT CGI SHITFEST ON THE BIG SCREEN AND THE MEMES IT WOULD CREATE

fuck no

>An elf
He only chose the elf life for his wife, he's a man and was a man when he saved the world.

That's "bad writing", user.

I hate Tolkien for not being more accurate with his writing
Was it so hard to state how many Balrogs existed ?

I'm willing to bet that all he needed was someone who could fuck the pettiness and arrogance out of him

>how many Balrogs existed ?

All of them.

>picking that as your noldorfu when this exists
wew lad

Sorry, but I only work with exact numbers, not cheesy phrases

>tfw Peter Jackon used to be the man who made subtle Silmarillion references, that fit perfectly enough that Tolkien might have written them retrospectively

She's like half Teler, ew not touching that

STOP, he's a pure innocent soul

I want to suck her toes

>tolkien
>bad writing

Im pretty sure there were legions of them at one point so your looking at hundred to possibly 10s of thousands. By the time of lotor though there are 1 to 3 left in the whole of the world including durins bane who is pwned by gandalf.

Autism is not welcome in Middle Earth, take your nerd shit to Dungeons and Dragons

Yes, lord of the rings is filled with it

Just as well we never will.

Every successful fantasy book to screen adaption been from source material where the fantastical elements are kept to a minimum.

Even shite like ASOIAF where the fantastical elements are barely even present couldn't be properly adapted to screen when they made GoT.

I shudder to think how much it would cost to get the CGI right for some of the works where the fantastical elements are ever present or bordering on gratuitous.

tolkien is not a good writer. he built an interesting world with an interesting history, but other than that he's just bad. fucking harry potter has better written characters than LoTR

>harry potter
>better characters than LoTR

user pls stop

Fuck off contrarian autist.

solid bait

>Harry Potter
>Good anything
Tolkien has magnificent prose while that hack Rowling can't even write a fucking children's book well.
The characters in Middle Earth are infinitely better than the trash Rowling comes up with

Here's your (you) lad

I always thought Tolkien threads are immune to Cred Forums contrarian autism.
I was wrong.

So was Sauron, though not nearly as powerful. And they're gods moreso than "angels". Gandalf and the other wizards are basically gods as well.

harry potter confirmed for having better written characters

alright be honest with me tolkienfags, having already seen the movies, am I really missing anything by not reading the books?

valar != maia lad

Yes you're missing quite a bit but to get the big picture of the entire Tolkien universe, I'd read The Silmarillion.

>newfag doesn't know Cred Forums loves Tolkien

Oh, we will. Once Christopher Tolkien dies, the rights will pass on to someone else, one of his children or something. WB will approach them again to buy the rights for Simarillion, and the Tolkien estate will succumb to the ridiculous amount of money offered. Then we'll watch as they over-commericialise it and turn it into an action blockbuster annually released trilogy with too much poor CGI and a forced love triangle because muh focus groups said they like love triangles FUCKING REEEEEEE

Interestingly, my captcha was a giant STOP sign.

Same shit nigger. Valar are more powerful but maia are of the same yolk. If you wanna get technical the only real god in the Tolkien universe would be Eru.

I always thought Angband was in a cold as hell land filled with snow and freezing wind. This image looks nice, but looks more like Mordor

stupid sexy Sauron

Yes, there are wacky shit that happened in the book that would kill the mood of the movies, and then moments where you go "OOOHHH, so that's why"

not really, there's some missing pieces that don't matter to anyone other than geeky tolkien autists. gimli isn't comic relief in the books. tom bombadil was left out, it's a really cheesy scene anyway. the barrow down section is gone because the only purpose of that scene is for tom bombadil and merry's sword (google it).

other than that there's some dialogue switches between characters and they tweaked some character motivations and things like that to make it work easier on screen.

you really aren't missing much. the overall tone of the books is a bit different, more fantastical or something.

You're probably thinking of the Helcaraxe.

This, thinking Melkor literally was a giant compared to Fingolfin is retarded, the duel is much more interesting if you think Melkor just looked like a big guy in a black knight suit.

Also if he was a literal giant Beren wouldn't be able to take the Silmarillion from his crown

LOTR film gets the basics down, but skips over quite a lot of the more interesting parts of the setting.

The Hobbit is a book raping abomination, and the original is one to be cherished.

Unfinished tales is full of odds and sods from all over the timeline

The Silmarillion is less a novel and more a fantasy history book, but a very interesting one.
You also find out why Galadriel's three hairs were so important.

Eru is God.
The Valar are the Archangels
Maiar are singing cherubs

youtube.com/watch?v=048_sHBGY-w

What, you hated the Denny's Hobbit Menu?

the stuff they left out is not 'more interesting'

most of what they left out is fluff and would not translate well to the screen at all.

I'd rather see a movie about this motherfucker right here.

Would be easier to translate into a movie.

>Tolkien describes Fingolfin as he rides to Morgoth
>he was so fucking mad his eyes and body literally shone like the sun

Must have been some crazy Elven Noldor power, similar to how Fëanor died with such a rage that he literally set himself on fire.

it can easily be in a movie but not as a retarded fight scene, more like Fing and Morgoth standing against each other and you see hog fuckhuge Morgoth is and just as they both swing, it cuts away

Post yfw Sauron ruined Numenor

by seducing the king with boipussy

remember that the stories in the Silmarillion are myth within myth and probably more exaggerated than Homer and the Bible put together

What are you referring to?

the fuck is this gay nerd shit

>When you're so mad you spontaneously combust with the rage of the sun

That's pretty fucking metal

Tulkas beating Melkor in a wrestling match.

STR vs DEX

reminder that the silmarillion is a boring slog

this reads like someone who is just parroting talking points from Cred Forums tolkien threads instead of actually reading the novels.

the scouring of the shire alone makes the books worth it. you're missing out on one of the main themes of the novel and one of tolkien's primary motivations for writing it, as well as some extremely significant character development for the hobbits.

No there were only about 7 throughout history.

Tulkas literally suplexed Morgoth. Twice.

At least that's how i imagine Tulkas, a huge norse viking who fights with his fists

Not canon

the Scouring was nonsensical and didn't need to exist

>hurr my entire army and my boss were defeated, better invade a worthless village with a few leftovers, this will surely be sustainable

It's in the Silmarillion fag

>tfw no Tinúviel

Not canon that book was hacked together after tolkiens death. The only canon is the hobbit and lotr.

Not true, they could easily make the humans who come from the east be black/arabian like.

Also probably one of the gods would be black, maybe Mandos or Aule.

I'd be more worried with them shoehorning in women as protagonists, the only one with any relevance is Lúthien.

And far away, as Frodo put on the Ring and claimed it for his own, even in Sammath Naur the very heart of his realm, the Power in Barad-dûr was shaken, and the Tower trembled from its foundations to its proud and bitter crown. The Dark Lord was suddenly aware of him, and his Eye piercing all shadows looked across the plain to the door that he had made; and the magnitude of his own folly was revealed to him in a blinding flash, and all the devices of his enemies were at last laid bare. Then his wrath blazed in consuming flame, but his fear rose like a vast black smoke to choke him. For he knew his deadly peril and the thread upon which his doom now hung.

From all his policies and webs of fear and treachery, from all his stratagems and wars his mind shook free; and throughout his realm a tremor ran, his slaves quailed, and his armies halted, and his captains suddenly steerless, bereft of will, wavered and despaired. For they were forgotten. The whole mind and purpose of the Power that wielded them was now bent with overwhelming force upon the Mountain. At his summons, wheeling with a rending cry, in a last desperate race there flew, faster than the winds, the Nazgûl, the Ringwraiths, and with a storm of wings they hurtled southwards to Mount Doom.

and then he sucked sam's dick

>tolkienkiddies think this is good writing

You're thinking of Angmar and the forodwaith.

These images make me feel uncomfortable. What's the source?

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>ywn see this on screen

image search is your friend.

lol yea i totally didn't read the books 20 years ago, nope, only cool kids like you read such underground books like LoTR....

you are putting way too much importance on something that happens at the ass end of the entire story. everything significant happens before it.

good, bulshit scene

I like how Tolkien handled the creation of the World

>Eru starts doing his song by himself
>the gods are slowly created and join in with their own harmony
>a beautiful classic song is playing
>choir, angels singing
>suddenly the fucking edgiest of Teenagers comes in with a black coat and black boots and black paint on his face and plays this monstrous guitar solo
>creates filth
>everybody tries to ignore him but he just keeps asking for attention
>eventually says "I HATE YOU ALL NONE OF YOU UNDERSTAND ME FUCK YOU DAD" and runs away to his little cave

Whose the glowy cuck?

you can see a very rough cut on YT, it's shit

It's still all from his mind ya doofus. It just wasn't form into a structured narrative which his son did. And anything Christopher added was all laid out by Tolkien himself in letters

You think Sauron ever got jealous over Morgoth's rage boner for Feanor?

Melkor took the form of a towering black knight for his assault on Valinor and the destruction of the 2 trees. After that, he was stuck in that form forever.

Except there are elves like Based Cirdan and Galadriel who were there when it all happened.

When the elves sang the songs and poems that are their history, those listening find themselves IN the story itself, watching the waking ghosts of memory take form. Aragorn singing the history of Beren and Luthien see's Arwen on a hilltop and believes he's conjured an image of Luthien herself.

Not really, The Helcaraxe are stated to be the northest region of Middle Earth. Angband/the Iron Hills are said to be to the far north of Beleriand. It's only logical to assume that it's a cold land.

when Homer was writing his bullshit he was interviewing people who were there and that's the problem. They made it sounds like the coolest epic shit because they wanted to inflate their importance. This is exactly what an elf would do

Even money says tumblr.

Guaranteed he did. But Sauron was so afraid of upsetting daddy he would come crawling back and never mention it aloud.

>the conclusion of the story is unnecessary

This pic is wrong, Glaurung never had wings

How can someone that did not exist interview people?

the conclusion is when they sail off

oh yeah I meant Herodotus

Wasn't Glaurung like a giant crocodile?

Nah, Herodotus made up shit because the concept of "historicity" was completely alien in the Ancient world. History was just a mean to glorify the city/nation/kingdom and teach morals

He was basically a dragon without wings, yes

Children of Hurin worth buying?

you're not really contradicting what I said

If you've read everything else, its the next step.

It kind of lays out the most important facts in the Silmarillion.

If you want to be a collector, go ahead and buy it.

Yeah, I've read and pretty much bought everything else there is.

Well, guess that's that.

It's weird how underrated Alan Lee is considering he's one of the bigger Tolkien artists.

It could be adapted as is, actually.
The key to this is make the frame of each chapter recursive.
So you have Orome telling the story of the Aindulindale to the elves while on the march west.
Then you "zoom out" to having Feanor's mother telling him the story of the migrations.
Then someone telling Feanor's story to someone else.
And you keep going like this until you have Elendil tell the Akalabeth to whoever on the way to the battle of the last alliance.
And then maybe Aragorn telling his son the story of the war of the ring.

>Underrated
They used his art to represent Middle Earth in the movie. His art became the face of Tolkien's work nowadays.

>tfw you don't know anyone IRL who ever read Tolkien
Thank you guys, I live for these threads

In terms of pacing it was just a weird section.

"Well we've defeated Sauron and his armies and faced impossible challenges, this is the falling action of the story"

"Oh wait Saruman's still alive for some reason and he's been doing stuff, I guess we have to deal with him before ending the story in a logical way"

The movies made more sense, they killed him off in the same way but at a point in time that made sense to the story.

thing is Melkor didn't create filth
Melkor never truly disrupted the harmony, each of his parts added to creation rather than take away from it.
After all he created the very concept of heat and while he only saw the destructiveness of fire and ice he also created the everchanging beauty of weather.

>so we get more time devoted to Turin and Beren's stories then we do a cataclysmic battle between elder gods, and immortal race that fell from grace, the last few free men, and the biggest dragon ever to be created by satan himself wherein an entire continent is shattered.
>You don't need hack writers to flesh out parts, or waste time on obnoxious CGI back flipping elves, or much additional input.
Well that doesn't sound fun at all

Tolkien threads are the best threads. They're just so comfy

They could've killed Saruman in the movie and still returned home to a ruined, industrialized Hobbiton. Home not being what it used to be after the journey was actually an important part of the story.

The only reason they didn't was because they were pussies who didn't want to end on a downer. Which is an understandable commercial move.

How does that works ?
There's no way he could parry or dodge one blow ?

People whined about the multiple endings to ROTK already. Imagine the Scouring of the Shire in there too.

Its where the main characters return home and find out how much they have grown, no longer are they caught up in events bigger than them. The entire point of the journey was to protect the shire, and now everything they have done and gone through has prepared them to do just that, protect the shire. There is loss, but ultimately they build a better home in the aftermath.

nah it would have suffered to much of ending fatigue
because you need to have 2 wrapups
the mythical one with Aragorn becoming king and what not and the mundane one with Sam becoming mayor.

>you will never see the glory of Numenor on the big screen

and the fact that its Saruman doing it is a justified ending to his story
Saruman's entire character arc throughout LOTR is that of falling from grace, first his true nature is exposed, then his army is defeated, his fortress ruined, his status taken, his schemes exposed as delusional and every time he's given a chance to at least be happy with what he has and he never accepts.

To see a once great spirit reduced to such petty vengeance is the only logical conclusion.

I got a better analogy.
Eru is God Emperor of Mankind.
Valar are Primarchs.
Maiar are Inquisitors.

It's a fuck you to the gods and elves. The gods had two trees (silver and gold) that gave off divine light, and Morgoth along with Ungoliant (Shelob's mom) attacked heaven and fucked up the trees with Ungoliant eating the light and poisoning them.

Later an Elven jewelsmith made three jewels (the silmarils) that sort of captured the original light of the trees and amazed everybody. Morgoth attacked and stole them. Although they burn him to touch he puts them in his crown as, again, a fuck you to the gods and elves.

>you'll never see Sauron deceive and manipulate an entire nation of humanity's best from inside a prison cell

though to be fair you'd need an absolute god tier actor and director for that

wtf I love Sauron now

Pretty sure Feanor made the silmarils BEFORE the trees were destroyed.

>Fingolfin wearing sneakers with socks
>"SIMON" writen in the stone
>that fucking car
>that fucking cardboard shield when Morgoth presses him against the tree

>from inside a prison cell

Didn't he become the king's advisor?

>2 trees
>3 gems
?

The only God-Emperor is the God-Emperor of Dune

>not wanting to see the poetry of Aragorn stabbing Sauron in the heel during the fight

eventually
but at first he was their prisoner

Yup. "Lorefags" (aka wikishitlords) are fucking up everything in this thread.

Oh yeah true. Everything else still stands.

NOLDOR BLOOD IS ON YOUR HANDS

he captured the light of both trees shining in 3 separate jewels

>sexaulizing LOTR

i wanna kill tumblr

TEARS UNNUMBERED

there was a gradual and well manipulated shift from inmate to advisor over several centuries you jackass

Fuck off Dunefag. War 40k has the superior God Emperor. Deal with it.

Fucking Ancalagon the Black when?

Fuck you, Tolkien threads are the best thing on this board

The Heart of the Mountain...

Was it a silmaril?

...

40k god emperor is literally a shitty copy of Leto II
because everything 40k is a shitty copy of a much better scifi or fantasy novel

Every picture of Leto II gets it so fucking wrong. He's perfectly described when he first meets duncan.

That's the theory. 1 silmaril taken to the heavens, 1 for the sea, and 1 for earth.

>because everything 40k is a shitty copy of a much better scifi or fantasy novel
Its more like "that kid" trying to invent lore.

>literally just stole everything from dune and made it catholic

You're a fucking child and you have shit taste.

Yeah but come on, there's no way to draw Leto without him looking ridiculous

Just because such and such scifi and/or fantasy did it first doesn't mean it was done better.

kill yourself

Objectively no. The two cast into the ocean and the lava are fated to be lost until the end of time.

There is literally no way someone found a silmaril, put it on display as the proof of their divine right, and no one says shit about it. Besides, dirty fucking dwarves touched it, and they're not pure enough to hold it without being burned.

>You know this giant beast exists, you know what it is capable of. Yet for some reason it isn't coming out. Any day now it can...

That would be a fun sort of story to set in the "real world".

>tumblrtards are literally attracted to things that are black and objectively evil

He's supposed to be an obscenity.

That was kind of it's original point, it was a caricature of sci-fi

I already recognized it wouldn't have been a smart commercial decision and its only a nerd complaint, but it's a complaint nonetheless. The scouring of the shire was important thematically.

Dwarves aren't pure evil though. Feanor was a greedy fuck but he was still able to touch the silmarils.

40k is a joke that's started to take itself seriously and as a result lost all merit

given that 40k's god emperor is all the awesome and superpowered shit about Leto BUT MORE without any of the moral subtlety that made his character compelling its fairly safe to say in this case the original was vastly better

My great uncle was massively into Tolkien. Got him Children of Hurin when he was dying in hospital, thinking he'd think it was the raddest shit.

He said it was trash and died soon after, so I felt like a right fuck up.

Well fuck, he created them
Also, I don't think he would have been able to touch them after the shit he pulled with the Valar and the Teleri. His sons got burned, it stands to reason he would have been too.

Feanor is an exception because he created the damn things
that and his own constant burning passion (in the traditional meaning of the word) would have matched any searing the silmarils could inflict a hundred times over

>Feanor was a greedy fuck but he was still able to touch the silmarils.
He lost them before he went full dick mode though, and when finally recovered they drive Maedhros and Maglor insane with pain until they get rid of them.

...

Seriously, why was Melkor such a cunt? also when should he be referred to as Melkor and when as Morgoth and when as Gothmog

I really liked Tolkien as a kid but I've forgotten almost everything

Cool hivemind bois

Feanor called him Morgoth after he killed his father and stole the silmaril. It means Enemy or something like that.

Gothmong was a balrog that was one of his chief lieutenants.

their helmets look like shrimps

>His sons got burned, it stands to reason he would have been too.

I always thought that that was such a neat touch. That the shit they do to acquire the silmarils makes them unworthy to hold them.

Pic related

Melkor is generally his first name when he was Ainur and Morgoth was after he went to Middle Earth and fucked with the elves. But they can be used interchangeably.

>why was he such a cunt
It's basically just a Satan story. Melkor wanted Eru's power to create things himself, wandered into the dark and learned death metal, came back and started rocking out then was given shit because he had pleb taste and he was forever salty because of it.

Could Ungoliant fuck Melkor's shit up?

well they are girls

Thanks.

Yea. Ungoliant could take Melkor's lunch money.

Uh yea. She DID fuck his shit up. Did you not read the book?

Maybe. He was afraid of ungoliant when it demanded he give them all the jewels to eat.

Ungoliant is weird because even the Valar themselves don't know where it came from.

Anytime m8

>Did you not read the book?
When I was like 13 years old and forgot

I do remember her wanting to eat all the jewels and growing insanely big, making Melkor nervious

It's a legit helmet design though. Love those and Rohirrim helmet designs are awesome.

Ungoliant had an insatiable hunger and shat pure darkness.

He had already reduced himself at that point.

>Feanor creates the Silmarils, he gives the finger to the gods, he shuts his door on satan's face and he dies fighting a bunch of Balrogs
>Fingolfin rides to Morgoth's doors and challenges him to duel. He stabs Satan's toe 7 times and dies crushed under his foot, managing to slash his heel before he draws his last breath
>Finarfin uh... He was Finrod's and Galadriel's father?