DUDE CAPITALISM IS BAD LMAO

DUDE CAPITALISM IS BAD LMAO

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It is though

But it actually is.

But it actually is though.

>Capitalism is bad.

It's literally the framework in which most of your day is built around. You wouldn't have even 70%(probably more) of the technology you use everyday without it.

Feel free to explain why any time comrades

Prove it, provide solid numbers don't make blind assumptions

Same thing could be said for war but that's bad too, sometimes for the same reasons.

Fuck off commies

How dare you complain about feudalism. We can all see that you wear clothes produced under feudalism. *tips crown*

it is though.

Daily reminder that commies are excluded from the NAP.

its more the federal reserve and loan banks are bad

Doesn't mean it is necessary and that it helped scientific revolutions to happen. It's preventing them from happening at the moment.

>You wouldn't have even 70%(probably more) of the technology you use everyday without it
Nope the technology was created by labour, not capitalism.

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>it's I don't get what is kino about episode on Cred Forums. again
Or I you are SO brainwashed ameritard (like you ever had brain) that you unironically shill every shit that guys in cool suits will dump on you.

The cold war is over, there's only one superpower left. Was it Soviet Russia?

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You don't know about China?

Isn't the point of the movie to show how people are able to abuse the system?

watched it on netflix couple days ago, not bad

Thank you for all our great technological advancement retarded rock smasher all labour is equal ;)

labour isn't an economic system. The labour occurred under a capitalist system...which is what the discussion is about.

>pass user since 2016

That has to be the most retarded comic I've seen this year.

But capitalism is hell.

Libertarian socialism when

>pic related

>Feel free to explain why any time comrades

Someone already has, it's called Capital and it doesn't come as a 2 minute youtube video or an infographic so I can understand why you haven't got around to it yet.

>you

Honestly I got more of a MY GOVERNMENT DOESNT UNDERSTAND ECONOMICS vibe

It was mostly this, bitching about impunity and inefficiency more than nothing else.

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>comparing SJWs and radical feminists with communists and leftists

You know the two have nothing to do with each other right? SJWs and feminists are neoliberals who have no problems with capitalism, they just want to make it friendlier and more tolerant without eliminating the actual inequalities inherent in the system.

What a crock of shit. SJWs and feminists are almost always Marxists and anarchists. Fighting le capitalist white supremacy patriarchy

Fuck off, commie.

That wasn't the message of that movie. The message was more about banks and investors being blind to risks due to their own ego and corporate pressure. It impresses the need for better transparency, not the end of capatilism.

>pic unrelated

Don't see feminists or SJWs in your pic, only what I assume is an anarcho-punk and a dude with a soviet flag.

Yes that pic is unrelated. This one is related. My point still stands.

As soon as people start reading Chomsky.

Ivory tower intellectual

>DUDE LET'S RATIONALIZE THE WEALTH ON AN ARBITRARY NON CONCLUSIVE WAY WHILE ALSO KEEP RESTABLISHING THE CONCEPT OF WORTH LMAO

>not a single word about capitalism
>the movie just criticize the banks and the people who acted like retards and almost ended the capitalist system
>they even criticized how the government saved the banks at the common men's expense because the whole system is rigged

but that wasnt the message at all
people are stupid and corrupt

I dropped this scene when the "Margot Robbie scene" popped up. I dropped it again when they showed Selena Gomez. Jesus Christ, what the fuck were they thinking? This is not how you make a serious, quality movie.

>In Meat Market she mounts an attack on liberal feminism, which she characterises as embracing the consumer choice offered by capitalism as the path to female emancipation.

So she's a feminist that also happens to be anti-capitalist. You can be critical of capitalism and not be a communist.

>She has contributed articles to publications such as The Guardian and the New Statesman

The Guardian is a liberal capitalist publication that doesn't want to eliminate capitalism, but make it more friendly. New Statesman is center-left but hardly revolutionary.

If you check out wsws.org and jacobin magazine, among other leftist websites and publications, you will see very little (if any) material on radical feminism and feminism will mostly be talked about as a small part of a much larger class struggle.

American (and nowadays I assume other too) feminists don't care about classes or ownership of the means of production, they want to artificially elevate women (and other people they think are disenfranchised) in our society.

On reddit, the r/anarchism and r/communism subreddits are false-flag operations by enemies of the left. r/anarchism is radical feminists calling everyone who doesn't agree with them 100% shitlords, and r/communism worships North Korea to the point that it is comical.

Just because a radical feminist calls herself a communist doesn't mean that she is one, in very much the same way North Korea calls itself the Democratic People's Republic yet it is none of those things. Hell, I can call myself an airplane, doesn't make me one. You're just stupid for believing the narrative.

What the fuck is this comic trying to say. This is the most retarded shit I've ever seen.

No true Scotsman........

>being this idiotic

>mfw dumb American kids think communism will fix their society
Pls learn from our mistakes

t. Bernie

The message of the movie is that only decent Jewish guys understood the evils of rogue capitalism.
On the other hand scrupulous goys in companies like Lehmann Brothers provoked the 2008 meltdown.

you do know this is based on true events, don't you?

the message was that capitalism, unregulated, will devour the wealth of ordinary people

Not it at all.

The initial premise/argument I was responding to was
>all communists are feminists and SJWs and vice versa
which is simply not true.

lol you obviously don't know how economics works then. capitalism drives innovation, take away capitalism from the world, it wouldve taken years, if not decades before smartphones would be invented

Never did I claim that ALL commies are SJWs and feminists, however a substantial amount in Marxist movements are.

>Islamic gommunism
Kek

>capitalism
>driving innovation
>the same shit that arrest people for remixing music

imagine you are selling a scarce resource. you barely have to do any marketing to sell it at lightspeed and at astronomical prices. now a scientist comes along who says he can develop a technology for you that makes the resource abundant

you're thrilled by the prospect at first, but then your economical analysts give you projections of the price plummeting to .1% if you went along with it. you swiftly deny grant money from the scientist and instead spend for a big marketing campaign to discredit him and all his existing research.

that's the Edison, De Beer and J.P. Morgan policy of business. not universal progress and well being, but dominating over the weak masses because you got slightly ahead and don't want to keep making an effort. capitalism was a good stepping stone for it's time but we're way past that now and need to start thinking about subsidizing research & development on a massive scale.

1st panel
>how much do they cost to make?
>I don't understand profit margin.

Motherfucker essentially wants what is depicted in panel 4 - a ruling class imposing their whims on everyone.

that's just rent-seeking behaviour through creating extra laws, no necessarily capitalism at all

though some ip is required

>capitalism was a good stepping stone for it's time but we're way past that now

it's still broadly fine

>need to start thinking about subsidizing research & development on a massive scale

lots is subsidised already, but i agree more R&D would be good

Capitalism isn't inherently bad just like communism isn't inherently bad.

The communism experiment was more of a political failure than it was an economic one. Nearly every communist country tends to collapse under the influence of a "nexus" which is composed of government, military, central bank, treasury, unique corporation making everything, thoughts, publishing/media, justice system etc..

No separation of traditional powers and informal powers.

Capitalism, even though it's not perfect, succeeds in making it very fucking hard for one group of people to take over everything.

I think the three most important things that would make capitalism more efficient, fairer and less cold to the average person are
-stronger separation between money and political life.
-creation of a new entity composed of legal experts, IRS people, consumer protection agencies and white collar investigators in order to track down with zero tolerence global corporations antics. (monopolies creation, fraud, market manipulation, tax evasion, conflict of interest etc). Average thug steals credit card and gets 5 years in prison for fraud and ID theft but Wells fargo organizes massive fraud on their own clients and no one goes to jail, the fines are not crippling. We need hard jail sentences.
-Stricter controls for foreign capital being injected in certain areas (political donations, religious org, charities).

Globalism isn't necessarily the evil plan of corporate overlords taking over everything. Many of capitalism's flaws stems from our current political comfort zone of establishing laws on a state by state basis. Some problems don't stop at the frontier and require a collective world wide approach of policy-making to solve them. Tax havens being one of them.

>capitalism is good

>Capitalism, even though it's not perfect, succeeds in making it very fucking hard for one group of people to take over everything.

Yeah, instead it's just a couple of corporations.

Corporatism isn't the same as capitalism retard.

To be fair, Paris inherited most of that.

And I'd say I want to fuck her slightly more.

DUDE CAPITALISM IS GOOD LMAO

The Left is perfectly happy to use this argument when it suits them. They're always saying things like "You think the government is too large but you drive on roads built by the government! I like to sniff my own farts."

DUDE OUR AUDIENCE IS FUCKING STUPID AND WE SHOVE IT IN THEIR FACES LMAO
This movie was fucking insulting

>there are people in this thread who don't vote Republican

Marxist socialist nu-males the lot of you

no more like corruption and exploitation is bad

>he thinks Rand understood capitalism

Go back and get your GED, you'll be happier.

it is closely related, and that's what America is becoming when your biggest company by profits pay less tax than your average restaurant manager

Except she could buy a Samsung or Motorola or whatever

>Yeah but then I'd be lame eugh, isn't society just horrible?
Hacktivists are the worst

This movie clearly states it isn't anti capitalism. Way to miss the point completely. Read the book, it might Ben easier to understand.

Also if you liked TBS you should read Flash Boys too.

More like cucktivists lmao

Most research on top of the line technology is state-funded, how is that capitalism? :^)

>>he thinks Rand understood capitalism

Who understands it better faggot?

In communism both of them would die impoverished and alone

But then they'd be equal ;^)

I found this movie very frustrating
On one side it was this brutal horror story of unfettered greed and self-delusion, but on the other hand it was trying to be this snarky "We're so smart, guys, we're WAY smart guys" comedy

>china
>not a full blown capitalistic country
wew lad

did you watch the movie?
It didn't say capitalism is bad, just that it can be exploited.
The banks tried to exploit it by packaging mortgages, which is deceptive to investors.
Then Christian Bale said "nah fuck that" and took advantage of the shitstorm when it wasn't sustainable.
Capitalism works when the numbers add up, by valuing mortgages far higher than they're worse the banks were basically creating money that wasn't there.

Actually what happened in this movie and and 2008 housing bubble is actually an example as to why SOCIALISM is bad.

Remember what happened. Banks were giving out loans to people they knew wouldn't be able to pay it back. That's not capitalism. That's DUDE FREE SHIT LMAO.

It's way too corrupt to be considered capitalistic

Next you'll say Russia is capitalistic. (fyi assassinating business rivals is libertarianism)

>LABOR MADE MY iPHONE LOL

Anyone with a basic understanding of microeconomics can tell you how retarded this statement is. The sheer existence of the labor that creates iPhones is a product of capitalism.

>The communism experiment was more of a political failure than it was an economic one.

No, it was very much a fucking economic one.

They had severe, chronic shortages of all luxury goods ( with "luxury goods" including things like toilet paper) and could barely provide even housing or food for their people. And this is in the most successful communist nation, the USSR. China couldn't even provide food and they accidentally 20 million chinese people.

This is not some fluke, the problems of communism are literally insurmountable as you have no capacity to rationally calculate price and in turn what gets produced and how much of each. You could have a billion years and you would never be able to figure this shit out.

>full blown capitalistic country

There's a word for that. It's called free-market, and China has nothing close to a free market.

Capitalism isn't bad because morality isn't inherent to ideas.

>communism
>"Hey farmer, you have to farm for everyone for free and then you earn the right to farm for yourself"
>meanwhile anyone who can game the system gets the nicest stuff and housing they want

>loans
>free shit

Capitalism leads to corporatism you dumb fuck.

The way loans were given out was essentially DUDE FREE SHIT.

The banks knew full well most of those loans wouldn't receive a single payment. They then sold those loans to other banks knowing they were worthless.

it's more the banks who were getting the free shit, because they were bundling mortgages and over-valuing them.
Trying to create false-value without creating any actual value is the problem.

communism in every flavour that has been tried has been extremely inefficient at best and a cesspit of corruption, brutality and murder at worst

99% of economics professors for a start

why didn't rothbard shut the fuck up then :^) ?

You know nothing, feminism and other social justice movements are deeply connected to marxist student movements.
Heck, their whole ideological concept is just a variation of class struggle.

Communism aims not only to get rid of economic classes, but social classes (based on race and gender) as well.

SJWs are basically the half other communism coin.

>Heck, their whole ideological concept is just a variation of class struggle.

not really, most modern sjws reject a marxist view of class, captial, economic determinism etc

i wouldnt say there is absolutely zero connection though, just not a strong as some make out

if youre talking about marxism as communism then a marxist would say social 'classes' will naturally evaporate once economic class division goes away

most sjws reject this analysis

>the same shit that arrest people for remixing music
capitalism isn't against intellectual property rights. what are you talking about?

I agree, only point that actually felt like a jab at the right wing instead of the system itself was:
>Movie says people will blame illegal immigrants and poor people for the economic problems resulting from the crisis
Which was clearly an attempt to misrepresent the argument in a way that invalidates any discussion about immigration or poverty (when started by the right).

Altough, there are companies that embrace marxism (and they do), even if ultimately don't want communism but rather "comrade capitalism", if you know what I mean.

>jewish globalism/neoliberalism
>capitalism

fuck off steinberg

you're fucking retarded senpai, of course morality isn't inherent to ideas you stupid little bitch, however capitalism is a much more complex idea that absolutely functions within a moral framework.

what your little reductionist statement is saying is basically equating having an idea such as dipping bananas in chocolate is equal to capitalism due to the fact that they both fit under the umbrella of "ideas" you fucking moron

capitalism isn't bad, but holy fuck you're a god damn moron

Garrison's is far from the level of Horsey, but he's turning into an incredibly able political cartoonist.

I don't know where you are finding these social justice movements, but actively interacting with them here, and listening to their politicians (specially since they literally belong to marxist parties) makes it pretty clear what their approach is.
It might be that my country just has a different take on it than yours, perhaps, but considering everything they say is imported from the americans, and every american presentation and article they find seems to defend the same notions as they do I find it hard to believe that that the american one has zero presence of this 'new-left' as they appear here.

You seem to not be understandinh what the statement is:
Ideas aren't bad.
That's all, stop getting mad because you think this somehow negates that the interaction of ideas in the world through intelligent agents (aka acting on an idea) is somehow contradicatory to that fact.
You're just being retarded.

Why is the guy in panel 4 carrying OP?

Aw shit man, I am fucked up
Let me rephrase that:
Ideas aren't evil, nothing you said contradicts my point so why post it?
You can say some practices based on the idea of capitalism are bad, but you can't say capitalism is bad.

>disguised Cred Forums thread about economics in Cred Forums
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ideas can be bad you giant faggot

even if you ascribe to the fact that morality is a sapient construct, and that thus it has no "inherent" (again, another sapient construct) truth to it, we live in a world ruled by sapient thought - thus by virtue of our world being one of sapience, ideas CAN and ARE bad from time to time. just like your mom having you was a bad idea, other ideas can and are bad.

well i'm not american (english) but i have decent awareness of 'leftist' groups in the 'anglosphere', not so much outside of it aside some reading a little about podemos and syriza - the influence of marx is there of course and as i said there is a connection, but a moderately weak one

the people themselves on the ground may cite marx and call themselves feminists etc, in reality they probably haven't read a great deal of the pholosophy and analysis underpinning either, but from about the 1950s onwards most feminist theorists, postcolonial theorists, and those mainly analysing the cultural and social sphere tend to reject a marxist way of viewing the world - dialectical materialism, economics determinism, having a strong historical narrative of 'class struggle'

now maybe this is different where you live, but this is certainly the case in the academic anglosphere, postmoderns don't agree with marx aside from being pro 'equality'

ideas are evil as long as there is a point of view under which it can be considered "evil"

if you are referring to a nihilistic type of neutrality whereupon there is no true "good" or "evil", then you are simply incorrect you dumbass 16 year old

ITT: YouTube Scholars

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Thats not the point of the movie at all. It's about a fatal flaw in the system and how greed enabled people to exploit it with no thought of consequences. Basically "excessive greed" is bad, not capitalism.

>Film about capitalism twisted so out of shape that it threatens its own existence and the livelihoods of a whole country
>LEL DAE COMMIEZ, AMIRITE?

Back to Cred Forums, bootlicker.

>They had severe, chronic shortages
This was also true of the russian economy under the feudal system.

The russians were in dire need of mechanization and modernization and agricultural land reforms way before communism arrived. Yes, communism couldn't fix it properly but I don't think it's fair to imply communism provoked those in the first place, the entire history of russia under the romanov is a constant fight between desire for modernization and a noble ruling class very much opposed to it.

As for the chinese famine that killed millions, it's all the fault of one single deluded leader who was completely ignorant of what to do and scared of losing power.

Again, I really think the pitfalls of communism all lie in the complete monolithic gargantuan state which systematically oppress it's people ignores progressive thinking.

Before communism came to russia, this was a backward nation living like the middle ages and oppress by a ruling few and torn in ethnic and class conflicts. A few decades later they defeated the nazis, made a nuclear arsenal became a major world power but their political structure was too rigid and too centralized.

>me in the back

Thanks for telling me about thought crimes, big brother.

are you telling me that the very idea of censorship is not inherently bad? that the idea of "hate speech" is not bad? that the idea of self destruction is not bad? how big of a fucking goober are you?

>Who understands it better faggot?

Karl Marx for a start.

when this movie was coming out did anyone get it confused with Spotlight?

All the Oscar bait movies blend together honestly

Capitalism relies on supply and demand, at first the demands sit within more natural human necessity, food, entertainment, anything you desire as a human for trade of your effort in currency. Eventually the supply is so rich and abundantly available that it starts to diminish the worth of human struggle, boredom, and search for growth. If capitalism was initially you walking to the grocery store, now you have someone feeding you from a spoon in your own home. This is metaphor, anecdotal and my belief, not as scholarly as other replies, but consider it. The supply has sequentially caught up to demand in a way that limits our abilities to experience life. We buy what we want and they sell it, but when they can analyze all our wants in such a remarkable way that we are spoiled, and materialism starts to be in the same vein as moral obligation, that is bad to me.

Why are you answering to emotion and not to logic?

>Goober
What does this even mean?
Concepts are not inherently evil, only concrete events can have morality attributed to them.

>But hate speech
Is an action.
And no I don't think it should exist, you need to prove things through arguments, censorship would turn it taboo and make it appealing to fringe segments.
The enemy of darkness is light, not more darkness.

name one successful purely socialist state

Because ordinary people are mouth breathing morons

Hey guys. Just remember to spend less than you earn and invest the difference into low cost index funds.

If you can get your savings rate above 50% you should have no problem retiring early to live out your comfy dreams.

here is where you fail

there is no separation in between "concrete events" and "ideas" you dingus

in the world of law there /is/ a difference. this is the world we live in. however, in a world without them, subjectivity of viewpoints allows for all ideas to have a duality of both "good" and "evil" simultaneously. what you aspire to is a fucking joke, that there is some sort of inherent neutrality, where the reality is that you and I are subject only to each other.

i called you a goober to meme on you, take the bantz or leave fampai.

i wasn't arguing /for/ censorship or saying that hate speech should be abolished (freedom of speech includes hate and that's a pillar of the west to which I ascribe to), i don't think it should be censored either.

one more thing - please make it less obvious that you just read 1984, your entire vocabulary is riddled with that of another, it's a fucking joke.

not only that, but you are trying to eliminate the concept of ethics wholly (competing notions of the good) through claiming neutrality - you're a moral coward.

>there are retards that have been so well educated that if anyone even hints that maybe wealth isn't exactly well distributed they'll shout COMMIE SJW FUCK OFF THE COLD WAR IS OVER
>anything that even approaches any type of protest will get shut down by LALALAL I CAN'T HEAR YOU
You'd think those guys are millionaires too, but no, they're wagecucks who think ONE DAY I'LL BE A MILLIONAIRE TOO IF I SUCK THEIR DICKS LONG ENOUGH, how does one become so spineless and cucked?

Dude le Communism lol, but I wont be tilling the fields or working the factories bro, the state will pay my way, lel.

>>succeeds in making it very fucking hard for one group of people to take over everything.

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa
literally two party system failed 30 years ago and the liberals have been in control since then. What the fuck are you tripping on nigger? Capitalism makes it easy as fuck for people to exploit others, and it was made to be exploited itself. You're a complete fucking dumb shit if you still think this political or econmic system is working well in 20 fucking 16

>government decides to reimburse banks for giving out bad home loans
>somehow the free market is to blame

>ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

newfag get out or lurk more

>You're a complete fucking dumb shit if you still think this political or econmic system is working well in 20 fucking 16

CURRENT YEAR

>>capitalism was a good stepping stone for it's time but we're way past that now
>it's still broadly fine


>>literally sell the cheapest shittiest shit for the highest price: the system
>>fine

you know why, people don't want change.

all the people with money would get put up against the wall if those wagecucks decided to stop ignoring it.

>capitalism isn't perfect and maybe deeply flawed because of these reasons
>NOOOOOOOOOO YOU COMMIE FUCK OFF BACK TO RUSSIA
This is you, this is how you argue

>white people celebrated when being sociopaths movie

why is this a thing

>Work one day a month and live comfy gopnik lifestyle of light beer and sunflower seeds, free to squatting upon all that you survey.

>Please make it obvious that you just read 1984
Why are you so pissed and reaching so much to try and invalidate comments?
If you bend any further you'll snap.

Damn, good one grandpa you got me. You really like... said something there yknow. REALLY made me think.

I know it's hard to accept that your precious capitalism has been fucking you and everyone in the ass for it's entire existence and you were too stupid to see it but you need to accept it faggot. Capitalism should have died years ago, it's fucking shit. But go ahead and go vote for trump you fucking alt right pepe posting insufferable faggot virgin. Go kill yourself.

youtube.com/watch?v=vifYelSTlMo

>i'm out of arguments
>better ad hominem

you used "big brother" and a bunch of ideas explicitly explored in 1984 you little faggot

>The obsession with race and gender involves the striving for privileges by a layer of black and female professionals, determined to carve out careers and incomes—under conditions of an intensely competitive “marketplace”—at the expense of their white or male counterparts. The shrillness and falsity of the current campaigns on race and sexual violence has much to do with the need, in the face of the fact that there is no significant racial or gender pay gap for these already affluent layers, to leverage past crimes and injustice, and exaggerate the present conditions, to justify continued or greater privileges. This is a bitter conflict taking place within the richest 5 to 10 percent (approximately $190,000 to $130,000 in annual income) of the population.

There is nothing “progressive” or “left-wing” about these campaigns and conflicts. Whether or not the president of the United States is a man or woman or the CEO of a bank or major corporation is white or black is of no possible interest to the working class. E. Franklin Frazier noted half a century ago that black business and political interests had “exploited the Negro masses as ruthlessly as have whites.”

Socialists reject racialist politics in whatever form it appears. In the context of the 2016 elections, this means repudiating the racialist and nationalist filth promulgated by both the Democrats and Republicans and all those who orbit around bourgeois politics. The election campaign of the Socialist Equality Party alone represents the independent political and historical interests of the working class.
wsws.org/en/articles/2016/08/30/pers-a30.html

>commies take power
>inevitably destroy the lives of millions of people
>"haha what's wrong with distributing the wealth guys"

How about you just hang from a tree?

What about democratic ownership, ie cooperatives?

DUDE IM POORER THAN YOU SO GIVE ME MORE THINGS LMAO

>people don't want to rob others for themselves

See, that's where you retards fuck up. There is always someone poorer than you. You want this change because you think everything will come to you and you don't suspect some guy around the corner is looking at you the same way you look at them.

But when it's your head in the noose, then it's all a big misunderstanding.

Capitalism, socialism, communism etc = different roads leading in the same directions


Supply and demand, that's all it is.

That's deep, brah.

Capitalism isn't bad. Cronyism, corporatism and corruption are bad

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