DUDE I'M A COMMUNIST SO MY NOVELS MUST BE DROPPED LMAO

>It's an Americans try to explain communism episode

Literally revleft: the movie
>hurr durr commies are good people
>hurr durr McCarthyism was bad, protecting the country from the enemies is a bad idea
>hurr durr the marvel of communism
>hurr durr the only good guys in Hollywood are jews and commies
>hurr durr feel the bern
Why was this movie even greenlighted, it's nothing but pure propaganda

>tfw there are filthy commie sympathizers on Cred Forums

>DUDE IM A VIRGIN WITH DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR WHOSE PREMISE OF ECONOMIC PROSPERITY IS BASED ON THE ENSURED DESTRUCTION OF THE REST OF THE PLANET

You tell em brah. It's not like we've had multiple communistic governments in practice that all turn out to be massively corrupt and a net loss/cockup for the country for generations

Oh and let's not forget the purges and industrialized murder of innocent people. Might be worth a mention too

Dipshit

>DUDE WE TRIED COMMUNISM AND IT'S FAILED BUT IT'S ALRIGHT BECAUSE I HAVE A SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE VERSION OF COMMUNISM THAT WILL WORK LMAO

>DUDE IM AN UNCULTURED SWINE WHOSE IDEA OF INTELLECT IS BILL NYE AND NON SPECIFIC "SCIENCE" WHICH I GENUINELY BELIEVE TO BE SOME FORM OF RATIONAL OBJECTIVISM

>DUDE IM MOVING THE GOAL POSTS BECAUSE MY IDEOLOGY IS SHIT-TIER AND BASED ON MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION

Love how you try to equate communism with sustainability. Nice little touch. Except communism has never done a single thing for the environment ever. In one decade private companies operating in market economies have done more than all of communism combined in terms of sustainability and development of it

>ensured destruction

and it feels so good

my god. Why are communists such emberassing morons? They're on the level of a Slavic peasant, its forgiveable ignorance yet the flaunt it about so smugly.

communism has never done anything. As all communist entities were only communist in name.

I don't know what's worse, muh enlightened nihilism litfags or muh science is for smart people xD redditors

>actor's greatest performance since mediocre tv show

Wonderful accolade.

>communist environmental impact: 0
>capitalist environmental impact: the atmosphere has now started heating up without human intervention because so much CO2 has been produced by corporations
Nice try

>mccarthyism sucked!

>who cares that some of them were actually commies working for the kgb and wanted to destroy the western world i mean some of them weren't

"communism" doesnt exist and will never exist with millions if not hundreds of millions of people. The reason you identify with it so much is because we're programmed to operate in tribes, i.e. tribal "communes"

Read up on dunbar's number
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar's_number

Your pipedream will NEVER EVER work when you have millions of people to work with, so stop theorizing about your supposed "real communism"

if you want real communism why dont you just apply for citizenship in north korea

>if you want real communism why dont you just apply for citizenship in north korea
It takes about 10 minutes to learn what communism is, yet people still perpetuate ignorance like this.

So give a realer communism then. That's right, there are none. North korea is the closes you'll get

deal with it you underage dipshit

>>communist environmental impact: 0

kekekekekekekek

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you forgot LMAO

>calls others underage
>believes North Korea is communist
Holy kek

>hey, lets equally distribute power and resources
>wait, that'd be hard, lets give someone absolute authority over all of this then blame communism for their failures

...?

North Korea isn't even a close approximation of communism you retard

So by this logic, it's okay to call all men rapists because some of them are?

>surprised when neetchan losers actually defend communism

He's a literal communist, how can anybody sympathise with him? Haven't they seen what happens when countries implement communism?

so you agree there is currently not now and has never been an actual communist state, just dictatorships that call themselves communist for propaganda purposes

>Haven't they seen what happens when countries implement communism
Name literally one

Current Communist Countries: China, Cuba, Laos, North Korea, and Vietnam.

Formerly Communist countries (by current name):

Formerly part of the Soviet Union: Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Russia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, and Uzbekistan.

Other Asian countries: Afghanistan, Cambodia, Mongolia, and Yemen.

Soviet-controlled Eastern bloc countries: Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Germany (East), Hungary, Poland, Romania, Slovakia.

The Balkans: Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Rep. of Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, and Slovenia.

Africa: Angola, Benin, Dem Rep. of Congo, Ethiopia, Somalia, Eritrea, and Mozambique.

>still being underage

you were BTFO here already yet you're still trying

/thread

McCarthy was an idiot who confused a communist's fame for his ability to influence people. While he was dancing around try to stop Bela Lugosi from creating an army of communist vampires, the actual cultural substrate of the united states was being subverted, from the ground up, culminating in the summer of love and civil rights.

... er, wait, that came out wrong.

>lets call ourselves x and do the exact opposite then blame x for all our failures

Son, really. This isn't difficult.

The #1 sign of being underage is parroting others' opinions without knowing a single thing about what you're talking about.

The X you talk about isn't possible. Read dunbar's number, faggot

>Pure propoganda
I fucking hate how Cred Forumstards think spouting nigger, nigger, nigger is a great example of freedom of speech until someone makes something against their political alignment

>State Capitalism is Communism!!
Why do you think 'Commune' is the root word for Communism you autist.

The problem, of course, with every single one of those "communist" entities is they always had a supreme ruler. Which automatically made them not communist.

But hey, lets blame communism for the failures of dictatorships.

>b-b-b-b-but it's not real commmunism!!!!

kys faggot

it's almost like genuine 100% pure theoretical communism is impossible to implement or something

>j-j-j-just give it time, a hundred years or so and it will work!!!!

holy shit the underage delusion is great. Maybe one day you'll grow up

>China
>Communist
Hahaha. Nice one. Too bad the underage faggot here won't realize you're joking.

>being a commie/socialist
>current year

Kys, Weak willed lazy shit.

>Dunbar's number

>DUDE PEOPLE ARE ONLY CAPABLE OF CARING ABOUT PEOPLE THEY PERSONALLY KNOW

Thanks for displaying your pure ideological nonsense
>Death of 1 man is a tragedy, death of a million is a statistic

capitalism is closer in practice to theoretical communism than any attempt to directly apply communism.

>Le not real communism/socialism because it failed meme

Kek

>dame mirren

my attraction to older women keeps growing to the point where I don't even notice girls my own age but mire older ladies

>DUDE STALIN QUOTE LMAO

Yes, its easy to murder people when you're removed from any sort of direct involvement in that murder.

TRUMBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

What part of "had supreme ruler" makes you think any "communist" entity was communist in anything other than name?

forgot pic for my shitpost

Everyone goes through a phase like that in middle/high school.

Then once you get out into the world and all you see are the busted whores, you start lusting after the teenagers and 20somethings.

You're actually pretty thick aren't you. If everyone in the world actually empathized with people they dont know being murdered, as with people close to them (i.e. near family or friends) being murdered the entire world would've killed itself from depression already

Get over yourself

>DUDE MY NOVELS DOESN'T HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH COMMUNISM LMAO

I'm 24

I'm guessing this thing is here to stay

You're right. Its just better to just ignore everything and act like science backs you up for doing so.

It's called being under the age of 18 and parroting every opinion the other underages on Cred Forums repeat ad infinitum.

I mean, dictatorship is literally not communism.

Are you mocking yourself nigga?

>actually defending mass murder because the poster boy for communism did it.

If a western leader did the same you'd be screaming

>disgusting imperialist!!!11!1!1!!

>he thinks 24 is a huge difference from late teens

sometimes human cognition is just sad

Literally the diametric opposite of theoretical communism. What are you talking about?

>heh yeah, real communism never works because communism sucks!
It's not like half the world had an active interest in making sure Communism never advanced past what the Soviet Union and PRC had, right? Just saying, the closest thing to Communism we ever had was able to go against the West for decades. You have to be retarded to think that a bad ideology could compete better than fascism, monarchism and anything else.

>he thinks I implied that

Yeah it is

>r-real communism has never been tried
>all those countries that claimed to be communist were lying

Who gives a fuck for what his beliefs are? It's about his novels son. There is no communism in his novels.

theoretical communism is built around an idea of a self-regulating system that ensures equal distribution of resources and labor.

Thus capitalism is closer to theoretical communism than any attempt to directly apply communism.

>Just saying, the closest thing to Communism we ever had was able to go against the West for decades.
and then it collapsed, after a huge death toll

>were lying
It's not about truth and honesty you speg.

Even with a cursory analysis of life and society in 'Communist' areas, you should conclude that they clearly weren't fucking living communally or under a dictatorship of the proletariat.

There's no such thing as real communism.

its 2016, the author is all that matters. Death of the author is literally dead.

You're thinking of Stalinism.

you forgot "dude" and "lmao."

Capitalism is based on the division of social classes.

To quote Karl Marx: "The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: abolish all private property".

It's almost like one ideology was developed in stark opposition to the other.

The death tolls of the USSR and PRC represent issues with the chain of command, total power held by an individual, as well as the fact that both countries were agrarian and backward before undergoing an industrial revolution.

It doesn't say anything about communism ideologically.

>DUDE CAPITALISM WILL DESTROY THE WORLD EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DOING IT SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME LMAO.

>abolish all private property

No, thanks. You can't have it.

Equal sharing of misery sounds worse than crony capitalism.

>The death tolls of the USSR and PRC represent issues with the chain of command, total power held by an individual, as well as the fact that both countries were agrarian and backward before undergoing an industrial revolution.
And that's why when Mao and Stalin died their respective countries became communist utopias

Oh wait that's wrong, they reformed themselves into capitalist countries because capitalism actually works

Is this the most autistic thread right now on Cred Forums?

>they reformed themselves into capitalist countries because capitalism actually works
Oh, so the modern issues with human rights and pollution from both Russia and China denote the failings of Capitalism instead?

They reformed themselves to Capitalism-like economies because waging a war with the rest of the world was pretty idiotic. How can Americans not even understand their role in the Cold War? It was pretty important.

Any commie thread is the most autistic thread on Cred Forums.

I heard they're competing in Tokyo 2020 against Tumblr in the mental gymnastics category.

>Quoting Karl Marx
>An advocate for slavery and one of the laziest pieces of shits that ever existed
Literally end yourself. No joke, end yourself.

>discussing Communism
>don't you dare quote Karl Marx though
Fuck off you moron.

Human rights have been nonexistent in Russia and China for centuries, and pollution is the natural outcome of industrialization, which both their communist and capitalist regimes wanted.

You could make an argument that competing with the west broke the USSR, but the PRC had no such competition and its collectivization of agriculture and industry was an undeniable failure every time it was tried. China adopted semi-private industry because it outshone its nationalized competition in every arena

The biggest pieces of shit, that created an ideology that later was the inspiration of another ideology, is still a piece of shit.
Quoting the piece of shit directly in a way to make the man have any form of respect just to emphasize your point, just means that your point is a piece of shit.

>one of the laziest pieces of shits that ever existed

At least they're very clear by who they are inspired by.

>You're thinking of Stalinism.
So is that the tactic for wanna be communists?
That's just maoism, that's just stalinism, that's just leninism etc. Just have the name of a leader of communist country that looks bad and slap on -ism at the end?

This is delusion.

The PRC's collectivization of agriculture failed in part because of Mao refusing to listen to his advisers at the time. As far as I'm aware, most politicians favored modernizing agricultural equipment and standards prior to collectivizing them. Mao disagreeing is what, in part, lead to the shit show that was the Great Leap Forward.

Communist representatives at the time of China's agricultural collectivization were discouraged from reporting legitimate figures and harvests. This was due to the Hundred Flowers Campaign some years prior, in which Mao's attempts at opening up the country to discussion, academia and reinstating the intelligentsia ironically gave the opposite result. China became more closed than ever.

The horror of Chinese agriculture only became apparent when Mao revisited his home town and his family told him how shit everything was. There were other reasons it failed as well, such as the nation wide implementation of farming standards that were not as effective as the practices held by families who had lived in the regions for generations. There was also the issue that Mao intended for China to surpass Great Britain in steel production at roughly the same time. This lead to incidents where anything with metal content was smelted down and turned into steel bars, including farming equipment both industrial and otherwise.

As you can see, this doesn't speak ill of Communism so much as it does of the totalitarian regime in place. When you go from life under an emperor to life under Mao in a few decades, mistakes are expected to be made. Theoretically, had a Communist revolution taken place in an educated country like Germany for example, these issues would not have been as prominent.

there's no better system that capitalism
literally none

stop saying there is

>had a Communist revolution taken place in an educated country like Germany

An educated country knows better than to fall for the communism meme.

>you're an asshole for thinking and developing ideologies and theories
Are you sure you're not a Stalinist, user? You're sounding as moronic and oppressive as one.

Marx came up with a fascinating way to explain historical conflicts and what he believed the world would become. He was never on the ground implementing his beliefs.

Oh and by the way, Engels (Marx's partner) toured around Europe looking at how shit everything was. In particular, Ireland stood out to the both of them. Communism wouldn't have been a thing had living conditions under Capitalism not been so fucking horrendous.

Fuck you, Feudalism is ace and spades.

>tfw you don't have a kingdom for yourself.

>There is no communism in his novels.
He goes on a fucking 200 page spel in his last novel wtf are you reading?

Where did he say the movie shouldn't be allowed to exist?

Also why are you whining about Cred Forums?

Stay on topic, faggot.

>DUDE THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG HERE SO CLEARLY THE ANSWER IS COMMUNISM I'LL PREP THE GULAG RIGHT AWAY LMAO

Kek

>"DUDE COMMUNISM IS GREAT, YOU JUST DON'T *GET* IT."

>What is the November Revolution
Lots of Germans did fall for the communism meme

>DUDE OUR SECRET SERVICES ENSURE THAT NOT A SINGLE COMMUNIST-LEANING GOVERNMENT IN THE WORLD HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK LMAO

>communist environmental impact: 0

This is how dumb commies are, everyone.

>DUDE ALL THE PROBLEMS WITH COMMUNISM ARE EXTERNAL AND IT'S ALL THE IMPERIALISTS FAULT LMAO.

Every time.

...

>m-muh crony capitalism
Haha. You complain about communists making the (completely valid) distinction between communism and state capitalism, yet immediately jump to say"b-but we are living in crony capitalism!!!"
Stay delusional.

>DUDE IM DENYING THE COLD WAR EVER HAPPENED BECAUSE IT SUITS MY ARGUMENT THAT COMMUNISM IS BAD.

It's literally that way

>communism is great because MUH ENVIORNMENT

Really? Fucking really?

>COMMUNISM IS BAD.

we know.

None of those are Communist countries, though.

>Communism fails
>Blame capitalism

Every fucking time.

Kek kys. Lazy piece if shit.

Nice lack of sources, dude.

>inb4 Robert Conquest and/or Black Book of Communism

>No True Scotsman

I love commies. They're just an endless barrel of logical fallacies and laughs.

>Capitalists (USA) directly order a coup d'etat that causes the death of a left wing president in Chile and then install a fascist dictatorship in its place

Every fucking time huh?

It's easily available on Wkipedia.

Or are you ballsy enough to deny those campaigns of genocide ever occurred?

>being a communist

just gather a group of friends, buy some acres, set up a partnership and start producing. There, you just made petri dish communism, no need to murder anybody

>Communist
>Literally uses Capitalism to defeat his enemies
>Literally runs his family like a sweatshop

>2016
>AD MMXVI
>people still think this is a fucking argument

>Chile is the only Communist State to shit the bed

It isn't.

It's pretty logical to blame Capitalists when they toppled a government for there even being a suspicion of Communism.

That's how retarded the US is. The UK actually tricked America into overthrowing the Iranian government by lying about the existence of Communism, so they could get Anglo-Iranian Oil working again.

>"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."

Winston Churchill said it best.

Would be great if the neo""""liberal"""" system allowed it.

snopes.com/politics/crime/rainwater.asp

>in part
>in part
Jesus Christ, this is pathetic. Back to /r/communism.

>This is delusion
Motherfucker, don't you know what is communism? Study more and then compare communism with those other -isms and come back to say if those are the same thing.

>I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion.
Winston Churchill said it best.

Your shitty MS Paint meme doesn't change the fact you're using the No True Scottsman fallacy.

Eat shit and die, Commie.
Or better yet, defect if you love Communism so much.

OH WAIT. You can't, because all the Communist countries either collapsed or are fascist shitholes. lel

terrific work user
just great stuff

>leftypol infographics
keep posting, you're killing my sides

>all these leftcoms bringing out "state capitalism"
Stalin did nothing wrong, kulaks deserved it.

I can't specifically detail every event that lead to the Great Leap Forward and why the collectivization of agriculture failed, you shit. I mentioned the main ones, that's why I said in part.

Do you actually have anything wrong with the content of my post?

the liberal system allows you to
- gather some friends
- buy some acres
- set up a partnership
- start producing

you can seriously do it today and you wouldn't even be arrested

Learn about state capitalism son. That's what all those -isms that you think are communism really are.

Considering the Soviet Union literally turned a sea into a desert... Yeah.

>no true scottsman
There is a pretty specific set of criteria for something to fulfill to be considered Communist/Socialist. Maybe you shouldn't be arguing if you can't comprehend those basic tenets.

So how many of the self-identified "communists" ITT are autistic NEETs who live off of government dosh, and thusly think that the entire population of the world can function that way?

>doesn't change the fact you're using the No True Scotsman fallacy
Actually, it does. Well, it does if you're literate and can read sentences, since it explains why the No True Scotsman fallacy is such a retarded thing to apply here.
>defect
This isn't the Cold War any more, grandpa. It's just called immigration. And are you going to pay for my Spanish lessons?
>Communist countries ... are fascist
Holy kek my sides.

Don't have any more here.

perhaps you need to rewrite your "how to make communism" recipe seeing as all your communism cakes turn into overcooked state capitalisms

Alright commies.

So what will it actually take for Communism to work?

That still allows free will.

how many retard Cred Forumsack liburturyans have rich parents buying them mountain dew baja blast while they complain about welfare

>that pic
Communists have no reason to and derive no benefit from indulging in identity politics. It's on par with Capitalism in terms of divisiveness. It does nothing to aid in a Communist cause. Stop lumping all Leftists together.

>You're sounding as moronic and oppressive as one.
>Sounding oppressive
Are you thin skinned or something? All I said was that your shitty quote from a man that nobody, with any credibility would respect, brings down your argument. If that's oppressive to you I wonder what you will think when you start living in a communistic form of government.

>Marx came up with a fascinating way to explain historical conflicts and what he believed the world would become.

That doesn't say anything about marx. It says a lot about what you actually think. Especially since you previously used the word "Oppressive" against me. Sounds like you have a victim complex.

>He was never on the ground implementing his beliefs.
Forgive me if I might've misread this but he was an activist for his ideals saying that the working class should start fighting back against their oppressors.

>Communism wouldn't have been a thing had living conditions under Capitalism not been so fucking horrendous.
Okay, what the heck are you trying to get at here? That communism only works if the world is already happy and daisies? Than why do communism if you have system that made the world like that in the first place?
Or that communism is just an extreme to push back against capitalism? If it's the latter than why choose communism? Why not choose anything but communism, what's the reason? Just because? I honestly don't get this about you people, why do you want communism so much?
Do you want to live in a very nice community? You can do that by participating in a local hobby, or live in a small rural area.
Do you want people to be equal, because you feel inferior to others? Now I don't want to be "oppressive" to you but why else do you want everybody to be forced to be equal?

well the only requirement is that it must work, so if it doesn't work it can not be a true communism attempt, it's pretty obvious

>Actually, it does.

Keep saying it. MAYBE it will become true.

>what will it actually take for Communism to work
We either play the short game or the long game. Short involves pushing for a revolution and optimizing on the downward spiral of the US. Long involves waiting for technology to make obsolete the average working class man. At which point a society based on the communal sharing of resources becomes inexorable.

>free will
Free will is an illusion, friend, but that's me being pedantic. I know what you actually meant.

Anyway, the implementations of Communism you think of are "Marxism-Leninism," which is kind of shit-tier. I myself am a libertarian socialist (see Orwell, Chomsky).

>Communists have no reason to and derive no benefit from indulging in identity politics.

Lenin's Revolution would never have happened without identity politics. Marxism is literally "us vs them" tribalism.

The modern left simply applies Bourgeoise as meaning straight, white and male.

>So what will it actually take for Communism to work?

Well we just need to take a state's population (30 + million) and take all sense of individualism out of their heads. We need to make sure they're working for the people and not their selfish capitalist ways. Anyone that disagrees won't be able to share in the people's struggle and therefore is detrimental to the state! Then we can all frolic together forever and ever and always because people love working for each other with no incentive and at the cost of their personar choices!
Tee hee, I love that we all get happy endings yay!

ITT frustrated Bernie-cucks.

ITT: Cred Forumstards who think communism is at all liberal.

With that I can agree my good man.

You literally didn't answer the question.

Bern victims are delusional socialists. What else did you expect.

Poisoning water supplies... also known as Saturday in Soviet industry.

If it isn't why are Libshits so obsessed with it?

I don't think you understand what communism is.

I have not met a single class-conscious liberal. Being a liberal makes you inherently pro-capitalist.

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No we still think shouting nigger, nigger, nigger is a great example of freedom of speech

Does Venezuela exist in a time pocket where the Cold War is still going?

Or is a planned economy just shit?

...

they're obsessed with free shit for no work, they'll adopt any ideology

They're literally starving themselves because they think foreign aid is a CIA trick.

post them

>DUDE VENEZUELANS ARE STARVING BECAUSE OF COMMUNISM LMAO

>brings down your argument
My argument was defining what Communism is and why it isn't Capitalism. Why would I not quote the inventor of the ideology you utter fool? Did you actually read the discussion or did you read 'Karl Marx' and have an epileptic fit?

>That doesn't say anything about marx
Yeah it does. Marx came up with a way to describe conflict and human history succinctly and logically. It says plenty about Marx, in the same way that you know, Plato's The Republic speaks about Plato.

>saying that the working class should start fighting back against their oppressors
Right, but he didn't take part in any specific revolution. The only argument you could make about him being shitty is that his thoughts contributed to the deaths of many. But the fact that he didn't have any physical or practical input (because he was dead) removes him from the position of blame.

>Okay, what the heck are you trying to get at here?
Communism was born out of Marx and Engels seeing the living conditions under Capitalism. The notion was that such oppression and such an exploitation of human beings was bound to result in some form of resistance.

>That communism only works if the world is already happy and daisies?
No, quite the opposite. Communism wouldn't have been necessary had the world been happy and 'daisies'.

>what's the reason? Just because?
Capitalism is inherently exploitative and based on the suffering of many so that an elite can live rich and powerfully. Other socioeconomic and political systems merely alter this same division in class, with feudalism being a more extreme example (although not necessarily based on wealth, there are still social classes). Communism is intended to be a permanent solution to a constant problem.

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You're using a pretty odd definition of identity politics then.

>Bourgeoise as meaning straight, white and male
Yes, this is divisive. There's no reason for a Communist to adopt this mindset, it doesn't help in anyway. The entire working class, regardless of race and gender, should be unified in opposition against the real enemy. Dividing that down, even a little, sullies the end goal.

Well Yea... They are.

The current government came to power with the help of the Castro brothers in Cuba. This is an extension of their political ideology. Glorious independent socialist paradise doesn't need no rich educated man.

>To quote Karl Marx: "The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: abolish all private property".

So are you going to take away a person's life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness by taking away his/her home just to fuel your ideology?

There's a difference between private and personal property, classcuck.

how do you assure communism doesn't turn into state capitalism? that's a tough one

>The few remaining Communist powers that haven't already collapsed are poverty-stricken hellholes that will inevitably collapse within a decade or two
>Communism isn't taken seriously by anyone other than some aging balding beta-male "experts" that have never had a real job and dumb teenagers that have never had a real job
>You will see the last few remaining Communist "powers" collapse in the next decade or so
>You will see the plague of Communism wiped from the Earth within your lifetime

Feels so fucking good, man.

If you had bothered tho look at the graphic, the levels of poverty since the Chávez regime started in Venezuela have been reduced by almost half.

Poverty was there before the commies came to power (Or why do you think they did?) Venezuela, same as Cuba, were a poverty ridden US satellite with a very distinct class division before the commies got there.

They didn't like living in East Germany.

>Communism was born out of Marx and Engels seeing the living conditions under Capitalism. The notion was that such oppression and such an exploitation of human beings was bound to result in some form of resistance.

When? In the 1880s? No, ty, commie. We have it fine here and we dont need your pipedream to abolish poverty.

You commmies are always so ignorant to macro and microeconomics it's laughable

So if I owned a company that supported me and my family, and that company included several locations that I owned. Does that count as personal property?

Not him but State Capitalism isn't a fail state of Communism, it's intended to be a transitional phase. It's easy to get stuck at this stage because competing against the rest of the world takes a higher precedence than speeding toward Communism.

You sure?
spiegel.de/international/germany/homesick-for-a-dictatorship-majority-of-eastern-germans-feel-life-better-under-communism-a-634122.html

>spiegel

nice neutral and professional source there. Also, old people feel nostalgic to what they grew up with. Big deal

>I'm happy to lick the boot of my Capitalist overlords while they practically enslave people around the world and live parasitically off of my hard work
Good for you. I'm not trying to recruit you or some shit, you asked about Communism and I gave you an explanation.

Oh don't worry. Most of the rich and middle class (the little amount that existed) has left the state and now contains mostly poor and uneducated people. Just the way communist like it.

>Capitalism is inherently exploitative and based on the suffering of many so that an elite can live rich and powerfully. Other socioeconomic and political systems merely alter this same division in class, with feudalism being a more extreme example (although not necessarily based on wealth, there are still social classes). Communism is intended to be a permanent solution to a constant problem.

So you try to fix the kinks, you don't try to alter it into something completely crazy. If every person was paid equally and couldn't advance to a higher position, he/she would have no drive unless you force them at gunpoint.

Bolshevism was funded by Wall Street bankers so that the banking cartel could utilize useful idiots to overthrow nations and take over. Financial Capitalism and Communism are two sides of the same shekel and have the same end goal.

>enslave people around the world and live parasitically off of my hard work

Where do you learn this shit? Is there some special nutcase school?

>Poverty was there before the commies came to power
This. Whenever people bring up "muh Venezuela" and "muh Cuba," I just bring up how they were already exploited to hell and back by colonialists. They were third-world shitholes way before communism came along.

All the nutter commies ITT should rather wish for the annihilation of the jews. That would actually make the world a better place for sure

hmm...

>Americuns
>white

>what are sweat shops
>what is corporate outsourcing
>what is a H-1B visa in the US
I get it if you don't like Communism, but corporations are pretty fucking amoral regardless of where you are on the political spectrum

DUDE COMMUNISM WILL WORK WE JUST NEED TO FIX HUMAN NATURE LMAO

Am I too late?

>>what are sweat shops

Learn what productivity and collective bargaining is. I've said it before and I'll say it again, you know nothing of micro and macroeconomics

>>what is corporate outsourcing

What about it? Stop using buzzwords like "enslavement" from your nutter college class about communism and then try to connect it with something reasonable in a market economy

>>what is a H-1B visa in the US

Oh how HORRIBLE. That people with skills bargain with an employer, trading their skills and labour for currency

jesus christ you're really a nutter

How old are you? Seriously?

>DUDE THE LINE ON THE GRAPH GOES DOWN, SO IT'S ALL GOOD LMAO
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN IN OTHER COUNTRIES YOU CAN BUY TOILET PAPER IN LESS THAN 8 HOURS

>implying the ocean won't be private too

>fix the kinks
I touched on it a little, but fixing the kinks requires a total over hall. The exploitation of the proletariat by not just bourgeoisie, but some other elite, is an inherent part of a lot of political and socioeconomic systems. Even if you could alter it democratically (which Marx was in favor of), it's an uphill battle against a ruling group that has everything to lose and nothing to gain from your efforts.

>If every person was paid equally
The idea of 'pay' would cease to exist, rather everyone would have a share of communal resources that would suit both their necessary and luxury needs.

>he/she would have no drive unless you force them at gunpoint
What was the drive of all the amazing scientists who were just recently awarded Nobel prizes? It certainly wasn't financial, they likely don't make much more than the average person does annually. The fact is even in this day and age, people pursue careers and interests that don't net them the most amount of benefits.

They willingness to contribute without explicit financial returns would only increase as a culture grows to match the new Communist environment. This notion that everyone is greedy all the time is a reflection of our current culture under a more Capitalist surrounding instead.

>human nature
Holy shit fuck off with your age-old stale bait lolbertardian

>this one faggot still hasn't grown out of his 3 month 16 year old commie phase

Edgey2theMax

Wait, don't tell me. I'm very good at intuiting names. Is it.... Trumbo?

>My argument was defining what Communism is and why it isn't Capitalism.
Your argument was defining communism, yes, but Karl Marx's Marxism != Communism. It eventually became the inspiration to Communism but it wasn't it was just theoretical.

>Yeah it does. Marx came up with a way to describe conflict and human history succinctly and logically.
Again, that doesn't say anything about marx, it just says what you think for finding his ideals fascinating. What you said previously said nothing about who marx is or what marx believed all you said was that he was fascinating and made theories on communism.

>Right, but he didn't take part in any specific revolution.
Taking part in revolutions doesn't make you an activist, he incited his ideals in people and rallied them to try to get them to start a revolution. The best you can argue is that he's an activist by proxy. He's still an activist.

>The notion was that such oppression and such an exploitation of human beings was bound to result in some form of resistance.
I don't think they came up with that idea, mate. I think every man who lived through a revolution, like france, America etc. knows that as fact.

>No, quite the opposite. Communism wouldn't have been necessary had the world been happy and 'daisies'.
So it is just an extreme to push back at capitalism, but why communism? It could be any other political system. Why use the system that means the complete death of the individual? Just to spite capitalism?

Capitalism is inherently exploitative and based on the suffering of many so that an elite can live rich and powerfully. Other socioeconomic and political systems merely alter this same division in class, with feudalism being a more extreme example (although not necessarily based on wealth, there are still social classes). Communism is intended to be a permanent solution to a constant problem.

Now that last part was a question to you. What's the reason, for you to personally support the wholeidea?

The Gulag Archipelago should be mandatory reading for you pampered communist wannabes.

Whoa look at Ecuador, Colombia and Paraguay's levels of poverty! Damn, those commies ruin everything, am I right?!

>All these faggots that haven't grown out of their 18 year old Cred Forums phase

really makes you think

is bryan cranston the most overrated actor working right now?

Yeah dude, all those communists should read this piece of anticommunist propaganda. That would show em

Probably.

>Believing that communism, after the millions of deaths it has caused, is the biggest sack of shit means you're not mature
Senpai, why?

>this embarassing retort

I'd listen to you more but I simply am roflmao at the thought of an 18+ year old "communist" calling himself smart

I'm unsure as to whether there are Cred Forums fags out there that are retarded enough to defend communism, pedantic enough to split hairs between "real" communism and communisms real world permutations, or if we're all getting meme'd on.

>an 18+ year old "communist" calling himself smart
When did this happen exactly?
maybe you should go back to Cred Forums and make some threads about the holocaust being a lie huh? those goyim amirite xDD *epic pepe the frog*

communism and capitalism are both good on paper but always fall short because humans are fucking scum.
At least with capitalism i can not buy certain products with my slave wage

You're a big strawman

Yes so it's better to just get rid of individuals all together and become equally poor under communism.

>this frothing at the mouth rabid mad because I reminded him that 99% of "communists" are just kids that just got eligible for a driver's license trying to be edgy

You're fucking embarassing yourself now homie. Grow up

4u

>user you're responding to thinks you're an edgy teen for liking communism
>"lol your a nazi XD" out of nowhere
Maybe Cred Forums was right about the link between Jews communism.

Sure senpai, I'll be growing up, but meanwhile think about how literally ANY intellectual of worth in this world leans politically to the left

I'll be sure to keep my eyes out for you and your Che shirt

>leaning left = communism

Tip top kek m8. I'm centrist leaning left but despise socialism/communism.

>I would rather be controlled by the government
Get out of here, you servant.

>intellectual of worth
>of worth
>worth
That's not very communist of you m8, isn't everyone equal?

>being this much of a liberal classcuck
kys

...

yet Libs want to ban guns.

go fucking figure.

That was the point I was trying to convey with that image, friendo.
Even we communists recognize that liberals are retarded.

Don't touch me filth, I'm at least 2 classes above you.

>bring a blue collar dips hit
Kek

>DUDE ONLY COMMUNISTS ARE OPPOSED TO CAPITALISM LMAO
>DUDE ALL SOCIETIES MUST HAVE MIND BOGGLING INEQUALITIES TO WORK LMAO
>DUDE SOCIALISM AND COMMUNISM ARE THE SAME THING LMAO
>DUDE PEOPLE SHOULD ONLY BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT I DEEM ADMISSIBLE AND SUBSCRIBE TO THE ONE BEST IDEOLOGY LMAO

jesus, you're getting pathetic now

I live in a house that costs more than what you make in ten years, lumpenproletariat swine.

DUDE I MISCONSTRUE MY OPPONENTS ARGUMENTS WITH MEMES INSTEAD OF REFUTING THEIR POINTS LMAO