Fuck Angel

once upon a time sure, and they became bros once again in season 5 of Angel. But Spike was obviously pissed about Angelus cucking him, you could tell by his expressions.

Did they ever bring up the invisible cia school again?

Afraid not, I think it is revisited in some non-canon novel though, can't remember which one

That was a good episode, season 1 is underrated

>Angel

What's the point? I've never watched it and do they ever bring back characters from Buffy? I find it weird they made some comic shit as a finale and Joss started shitting out capeshit.

That one and the dummy are the shit. I'd love some material involving the perverted bastard pre dummy and dummy going around fucking niggers up.

Nah.

Angel is hotter.

Faggot or woman? I'm jumping to faggot conclusion.

What's the point?
The point is that it's a great show which is similar to Buffy in some ways but differs greatly in others. It's darker, more serialized, focuses more on character development, and is far more sophisticated in terms of action and special effects. One could easily make the argument that it's the superior show, though your mileage may vary

>I've never watched it and do they ever bring back characters from Buffy?
Some, yes.

You can play as the dummy in one of the video games I think

>Clea Duvall
>The Faculty
>Out of Sight, Out of Mind

Pottery

Shiet I heard one of the games was pretty good might have to check it out.

They're both pretty fun

First game is really good but also kinda hard, Chaos Bleeds isn't too great but still worth playing if you're a fan

Is Cordelia one of us?

>Hates everyone and everything

She loves herself though

Cred Forums is self-loathing

I'm a big fan of movie/tv show games and that might be good to experience. If anyone is a Bond fan check out From Russia With Love, they even got Connery to voice Bond and his likeness.

>Implying all women don't hate themselves and she's only putting up a front

I would be tempted to bang that mantis lady from season one. I know I'd die pretty fast in Buffyverse.

I wish they had made more third-person Bond games in that mold, would love a Spy Who Loved Me one

women aren't introspective enough to hate themselves

Them calling Spectre Octopus instead was weird but otherwise it was pretty kickass. I heard Blood Stone was pretty good and there was one that had Willem Dafoe that was linked to View.

it was a show built more for males than females. Give it a watch.

She chose to suffer to help people and almost no woman does that so her character had some greatness to her.

>that one off episode where wes is some one armed badass.

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It would always come on after Charmed early in the morning and I would only get a boner watching that then get bored and change the channel after watching the intro of Angel.

this was the most tempting moment in the show, Xander was a fucking idiot for not going for it. It was his one and only chance to get some prime Buffy and he blew it

Xander should have fucked em all that one episode. He fucked up with Anya the revenge/semen demon.

>is ashamed to have a similar experience

the days of phone line modems trying to download a single picture of porn

people dont even understand

I know I would have gone straight for Jenny, even though Giles would probably turn me into a corpse if he ever found out

Me too user, me too.

Wanna see a magic trick?

You're just butthurt over her death almost 20 years after it happened. Face it, she got sloppy.

Also, props to Angelus for nearly destroying the world. Possibly the best big bad out of the show.

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They're all betas and cucks next to The Immortal.

I used to watch re-runs of Charmed and Angel when they came on TNT after school. I'd fap to Charmed and then enjoy some Angel while basking in the afterglow

Fug

>liking a literal gypsy

If it wasn't Charmed I'd watch The Sopranos on A&E even if it was censored to all gabbagoo.

>HELLFIRE

How's Quasimodo?

I'm pretty sure they didn't remember but I can't recall as it's been awhile since I first watched it.

I think Cordelia was the only one unaffected.

Bro, do you even blood vengeance.

>its an immortal ruins angel and spike through tax fraud episode

that episode was shit

Amgel/Spike bro eps are the beat eps.

The who?

I've never watched the series to completion so I already know some things.

despite in lampooning their relationship and how tired they were of bullshit in general, Girl In Question wasn't a terrible episode, especially considering how cunty SMG can be

They created a foil in the fifth season of angel that nobody had ever seen before to mess with Angel/spike as they went on a job in italy. It harkens back to some of their past.

Another vampire is trying to get with buffy, pitting both of them against him and each other.

>It's an Angel and Spike run off to Italy because they think they're getting cucked episode
It had its moments but it was dumb dumb dumb. Also it makes no sense why they'd run off right when shit was starting to hit the fan in LA and they had a lot on their plate. How did the trip fit into their busy schedule of taking down the Circle of the Black Thorn?

>I'm mad the Immortal stole my girl and had me blown up

>commonsense is needed when both men spent large amounts of time stalking buffy, even joking angel had a lackey doing his stalking for him

pussy defeats commonsense.

>PopGoesTheGypsy.gif

You are a bad person

The head of some demon was also the mission. He went to prevent a full blown war, on top of slayer pussy.

The Immortal is not a vampier, he might be some old as fuck demon.

Remember that time Spike fucked Tara so hard she turned straight?

I did try watching Buffy years after it was on TV.
Never made it past season 1, just so damn boring.

watch Angel instead, it's better

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Angel had hot werewolf pussy, why bother with past-her-prime Buffy? Especially after the episode where Andrew tells him she doesn't trust him anymore because he's working for W&H, I would've said fuck that bitch let her get plowed by some dago wop idgaf

TFW WE WILL NEVER GET A SEASON 6 NEVER EVER EVER

>no more spike and angel hijinks
>no more cute pie Fred
>no more badass Wes

WHY JOSS WHY

woah woah, I'm not a sexist

>spike and angel argue for 45 mins about cavemen vs astronauts

>It's the latest style

Don't pretend the comics don't exist user

pfft honestly he would have been better hitting up Faith. She was always down for a ride.

I didn't mind Nina but she wasn't as top shelf as his other women.

Imagine how much better Angel would've been if Spike had joined in like season 2. He was so wasted on Buffy in later seasons.

I'd wear it if that Italian broad told me to, too

because he was an idiot and pissed off the WB execs, if he had played ball instead of literally DEMANDING they tell him if the show was going to be renewed or not, they might have greenlit season 6

Thanks Josh

it would have made sense to bring him in by season 4 at least when they're fighting the beast.

He stopped her being a serial killer, she's basically his daughter now

she was choice, would've forgotten all about Buffy after meeting her

BLACKED irl and in show

5X5

I know but still better women exist.

>tfw you will never see Drusilla/Spike/Buffy threesome
fuckin Josh

>he reads the buffy/angel comics

user, don't be jealous of her spirit fingers

I can sure as hell try

Buffy was the first woman he liked as Angel, shr was his waifu.

>this turns into a rollan thread and jannies delete it
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

>putting felicia day on there

thou have committed a crime user, even though this shit is old, evil pure evil

Dawn made me uncomfortable

Did it myself, like I said, this isn't a game it's just a reminder of cute

What's wrong with young Felicia Day? She got a funny "don't you die on me" scene where she's trying her hardest to be a badass in the finale and it was adorable

>Buffy's love interest in season 5 is her little sister
POTTERY

>putting numbers on the pictures

user pls

Not my pic, I just saved it

>try to put a spin on a trope that usually kills a show
>it kills the entire network instead

Bravo, Joss

>What's wrong with young Felicia Day?
It was the beginning of a career that should never have happened

She shouldd be flippin' burgers right now not jetting to paris while her fans crowdfund her latest shitty web series

I feel like this user understand

they're many women out there trying to be in the industry that are more deserving.

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NANI?

Xander episodes are godtier

This

>Be tasked by your clan to keep track of Angelus
>He's actually a good guy now that he has a soul
>He's even teaming up with the Slayer
>He seems happy
>Oh shit, but I guess I'll say FUCKING NOTHING to them

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she was loyle to her clan

Sometimes they have to be smart and other times they're idiotic. Instead of helping him stay on road of penance they tried to make it all about vengeance and it backfired.

have you not gotten to season 5? Shit, spoiler alert

GET HYPE

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Angelus is a faggot for real. Worst character

>she ended up marrying Xander

It's not like I'm avoiding them so whatever. I already know how the show ends and all the major shit because I watched it out of order.

I'm so pissed she got fat

No love for KEEEEENDRA DA VAMPIRE SLAAAAAER

iwantyouinsidemenow.jpg

T H I C C

I liked her in Club Vandersexx movie.

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she was an awful character, glad they killed her off

5by5 even if she was BLACKED irl and show was a better character.

Go away Spike.

Does Angel make sense if you never saw Buffy? You get told Angel will go evil an lose his soul if he shags someone, but we never see Angelus until The Beast arc.

Don't be talking about Billy Idol like that.

We get flashbacks and fake evil angel when he was drugged with uppers.

they give a refresher in the pilot for angel and honestly it makes the watching of the first couple of seasons easier for some.

I got lucky that I was it on FX when they used to marathon the show on holidays. So I caught up on first couple of years and was there when Angel started up.

>Angelus quoting torval

shit was fantastic. They should have angelus mock everyone

I watched Angel before seeing Buffy and loved it

>doesn't even feed, just kills her for the fun of it

S2 Angelus was a real evil SOB. They made him a bit too cartoon villainy in later appearances though imo

In S2 he was glad to be back

After that he was actively pissed off with Angel so went out of his way to piss him off when he got loose

When he first showed up in season 4 Angel he was a bit cringe, but after that first episode the writers get a hang of it and he's the same ol' wonderful Angelus

I felt he struck the right balance of menace and destruction in season 4 of angel.

Seeing someone so delighted in just tearing shit up just because is what a vampire should be. We miss out on some of the intricate betrayals like we see in early seasons of buffy where he really leans into the slaughter and schemes.

Driving a girl crazy, right into the arms of church only to turn her so she cannot find succor in her one place of refuge..it is a beautiful work of art.

>my mum hated me and then tried to shag me rar i'm so tormented

William had a hard life. And a funny one

>that season 5 of angel where everyone is sharing their murdered parents stories with wesley.

I did appreciate how his shit poem for the girl he liked from the 1800 was cheered in a poetry slam in the 2000s

>William the bloody goes to a poetry slam

Its the little things.

best girl

Her love interests really ruined her for me. I just can't find a girl attractive after seeing her make out with Seth Green.

The next poem was about his mom trying to fuck him.

We all miss her

The gypsy is best girl, this is fact. Willow was good in the first four seasons but I don't like what they did with her character after that

He got that Black cockney pussy

And he got to fuck Buffy's mom.... TWICE

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Posting HD Jenny webms.

lezdom is nice

>loses her v card
>turns into a top

>out of my way organic fucking shits.

Patrician Buffy waifu coming through.

She wasn't even the best robot waifu in the show

>Buffy learns Jenny is lying and goes back in time to confront her
What did Joss mean by this?

Her ass was a work of art in that movie.

she just wanted to give her throat a nice slam..it was all the rage user..

I always wondered what happened to her after her batteries ran down. I mean they couldn't have just left her sat on the swings.

They dismantled her and made buffy bot

>Warren will never make you a Dawniebot
why live

>not using your lookalike for free labor

They probably did. They were hilariously irresponsible and had shit follow through.

They never made up their minds. It's heavily implied he was fucking the fate things that put the spell on Caritas and he says he's not a eunich in S2.

Nah, the trio made the Buffy bot later. They could have scrapped her for parts maybe but I can't see that happening somehow.

They never had time. She was ripped apart at the beginning of S6.

the idea is perfect happiness and getting pussy didn't automatically cause this for him.

I mean when you're banging 16 year old slayer pure love is a lot easier to envision than say nina the werewolf as wes said, most people have to accept moderate levels of happiness, "make do"

Scotty doesn't know.

I was more partial to Lawless and the gluckenheimenflutchs.

would have made up for making the woman that saved the world work at burger mcflip

Buddy's mom is underrated
God dammit

What's the consenus on the movie that kicked it all off? I personally like Swanson and her five year plan, Peewee was in it too.

>implying willow wasn't getting off on seeing her friend struggle

Willow was just a female Warren, mate.

It's a fun little popcorn movie but in the end is just an inferior knockoff of The Lost Boys

>save the world multiple times
>get ripped out of heaven
>forced to work at wendy's
>get a season of young shits upstaging you in your own home
>felicia day

the end of buffy is just painful.

had to otherwise none of it makes sense in a world where your friend is basically a magic god

He can fuck, he just cant experience bliss. He can get turned by fucking one of his waifus, Darla or Buffy.

He has to be miserable or he will change.

Julie Benz is the shit.

I miss Defiance...

He'd probably have been killed the next day

I know. But S3 of Buffy and S1 of Angel imply he can't fuck at all.

>That last scene where he goes off to become a space captain

they implied he will be tempted more by being around stuff more than anything

Angel only assumes he can't have sex because hey look what happened last time

Better safe than sorry until you have more info

STAR MAN WAITING IN THE SKIES

the only explanation is that Buffy left school in the middle of the day to go to her room to sleep and woke up a few hours later to go back to school.

This, until he fucks Darla and has a moment of "perfect misery" because he failed to save her.

I know. That's exactly what I mean. That ep with Gunn in S2 heavily implies he was fucking those magical chicks. This suggests he got some from the time he was cursed to S2 of Buffy.

bro I think he fucked them a long time ago, it didn't seem recent if you're talking about caritas bitches.

They called him Angel. He didn't start going by that until after the soul.

which still gives him like 140 years.

he's like 270 years old, plus at least 100 years in a hell dimension

By time the show is ended, he's almost as old as master was.

>he's almost as old as master was
lolno

The Master was over 1000 years old

Which is what I'm saying, man. Angel fucked them after the soul, so him believing it was sex that did it in S3 of Buffy and S1 of Angel makes no sense.

The Master was about 600, bro.

oh my bad, for some reason I kept thinking he was only in 400s but I suppose it would take a longer time to go all nosferatu

It's never said on the shows. It's in the script that he's 600, real name Heinrich Joseph Nest.

Whedon went full crazy though, i'm looking at the wiki and the other user might be right, it said 12th century so 1000 year thing might not be too far off.

buffy.wikia.com/wiki/The_Master

The actual shooting scripts are online. To me, those are more canon than something Whedon said in an interview.

>The Master was about 600, bro.
Nope, he founded the Order of Aurelius in the 12th century, so he has to be at least 900 years old, and it's implied he's the oldest living vampire so one can make the assumption he was a vampire for centuries before founding that order

Angelus's bloodline reveres the old demons
>Angel's butt buddy was the queen of old ones

That is some pottery

I hated the Illyria storyline because of that. The whole thing was a retcon.

>the old ones were banished to another dimension
>oh, wait, no they weren't; they're quasi-dead in a big hole in England

well they said banished as in living demons were banished, meant nothing for the already dead ones to still be lying around

the fact that they can resurrect is obviously an asspull

Maybe the "Hole in the World" place is another dimension? I'm grasping at straws here

I think most escaped, and the few that didn't were trapped in that place and put in magical comas

Or something like that

I put it down to Angel and BTVS only being loosely canon to each other.

I watched Cobra awhile back for the first time and I had such deja vu wondering where the hell I saw the main antagonist. It clicked when I rewatched the first episode of Buffy.

Yea you can play as Sid in the PS Buffy game, pretty good game too

They feel more connected than not though.

I imagine it's hard to balance continuity between two ongoing shows with different writing teams, they did what they could

they're both worth watching

I unironically enjoy season 7

You're not the only one. I enjoyed the later years of both shows more than the early.

All of the seasons are enjoyable, but you have to admit there's a noticeable drop in quality after season 5

Giles and co playing D&D will forever make me laugh

>admit to something that isn't true

Nope.

It is true though, the show became more like a soap opera, the writers were obviously running out of ideas, and by season 7 the actors weren't even trying anymore

It's not surprising considering how long the show was on the air, you can only keep things fresh for so long

Is season two of Buffy literal kino? I always thought the series went downhill from 3 on and especially when Angel left, and the first season was just a weird teen x-files clone.

Angel seemed way more consistent but it never quite reached the heights of Buffy Season 2.

>it became a soap opera

It was always a soap opera. The writing got tighter with far less wasted time and middling, after school special crap. The acting becomes far less histrionic, which makes sense since they're older, than the big, teary-eyed early years.

I get why people dislike it, but everything they complain about was there in the supposed golden years, too.

Season 3 is generally considered the best, if there was a strawpoll it would win by a landslide. Season 4 is underrated IMO, hated because of the arc and Buffy's love interest but episode-for-episode it's fucking great. Season 5 is when things slide downhill, the show becomes less of a supernatural adventure series and more of a character drama, which isn't really to my tastes.

But yeah, season 2 of Buffy is great for the most part

Nah, the earlier seasons were more like X-Files or Kolchak, monsters they had to take down and villains to fight. There were soap opera "elements" but almost every show has some of that that shit.

It's only in season 5 onward that you have overwrought drama that is just cringe-worthy, like Riley seeing vamp hookers, OMG Mom has cancer, Willow gets hooked on drug magic, attempted rape, etc. Also the dialogue gets a lot more schmaltzy in general

Sorry, but the later seasons are 100 times more soap opera-esque than the early ones

I didn't used to enjoy the later seasons as much, but now that I'm older I appreciate them all (sans the season 4 main arc and Riley) a lot more. Part of that is probably paralleling the ages (and experiences) of the characters to a certain extent, though.
Season 3 a best, season 2 a second best.

Hush is top three episode material. The Body is number one for me, but Hush amazing as well.

That was S1 and beginning of S2. Once the Angelus arc kicks in, when most think it gets good, it's 100% fucking soap opera. Oh noes, my boyfriend is evil, a werewolf, where will i go to college and that stupid Xander/Willow thing and all that crap.

I can't defend the magic crack shit, but to me it's no worse than magic=sex stuff from S4. Regarding the dialogue, I disagree totally. They stopped adding -y to everything. S2-S3 had the most maudlin dialogue on the show.

cont. I do miss the early season wardrobes, though.

The magic sex analogue works better, imo, because its more subtle and doesn't hit you over the head like the magic crack. The magic crack was insanely cringe worthy.

Except the magic=sex stuff was one episode, The Willow on crack was a whole fucking arc. The difference is that in the early seasons, the soap opera stuff is in small doses and the show is still mostly action, humor and fantasy. In the later seasons it's like everything revolves around whatever dumb fucking drama is going on between the characters and the villains and monsters-of-the-week are just background

We'll agree to disagree there. I rolled my eyes as much there as S6.

>tfw this is literally true.

You had to be a fucking bitch, didn't you Joss?

>Buffy stops wearing miniskirts
who decided this? why weren't they fired?

Oh, and the sex magic bit gave us one of the best jokes in the whole fucking show.

In the dream episode, which is amazing, there's that throw away ad libbed line by Xander where he says that sometimes he thinks about two girls doing a spell together, then he does a spell by himself.

I nearly fucking choked the first time I heard that.

The sex=magic was pretty subtle too, except that one awful episode about Buffy and Riley screwing. The magic=drugs is so in your face and obnoxious

>one episode

Dude, it starts in Hush and goes all the way through The Body. Magic Crack runs about the same length of time.

>small doses

Angelus - Graduation Day, it is non-friggin'-stop, man. Even the one-offs are laced with it. See Amends.

That was cringe-worthy shit, bro.

>subtle

Yeah, the one where they're doing a spell, fucking panting and fall over. Real subtle, man.

SMG negotiated wardrobe approval into her contract. No more miniskirts.

I do kinda love how you post this every thread.

>Dude, it starts in Hush and goes all the way through The Body. Magic Crack runs about the same length of time.
You're right, now that I think about it was in many episodes, but it was so much more tolerable that the Magic Crack stuff. I mean, they might as well have been hanging a neon sign that said "MAGIC IS A DRUG AMIRITE?"

>Angelus - Graduation Day, it is non-friggin'-stop, man. Even the one-offs are laced with it. See Amends.
I'm sorry, I don't see it. I've watched the series from beginning to end and I notice a considerable increase in soap opera shit in season 5 and it only gets worse from there. Before that there was more emphasis on whatever supernatural stuff was going on in that particular episode, and the character drama was not the emphasis in most episodes. Compare Amends to an episode like "Into the Woods," "Shadows" or "Wrecked" and if you honestly think there isn't a big difference, there is something seriously wrong with you

I mean holy shit just the number of cringe-worthy speeches in the later seasons, like Buffy's "I want to show you the world" at the end of season 6. I wanted to fucking barf

Amends is soporific with it's schmaltz. I'd easily equate that dumbass hilltop scene with Grave.

The cancer stuff isn't worse or more soapy than them yawning on about college.

Grave is easily the worst finale, though. I cannot dispute this.

You make good points and our discussion has been stimulating, we'll just agree to disagree for now. I've been procrastinating a third rewatch of the series for years now and I think it's finally time

Maybe I'll change my view of the later seasons, we'll see. I've always liked them just not nearly as much as the early ones.

>219 posts
>best Buffyfu not even mentioned

>watching the first 5 seasons of buffy
wew

>autistic, annoying cunt
>best

Well, hey. More for you, I guess.

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>catch this show rarely when it was on the tv
>apparently i only watched most of the first and the two seasons with the MOTW episodes everyone talks about in between sprinkled in
>trying to watch season 2 but it's seems too lame

wat do
help

*first and last two seasons

>Ugh it's a Cordy episode
>Ugh, it's like the first solo Cordy episode
>Cordy dies halfway through
Awwwright

I feel like Angel had higher points and lower points than Buffy.

>Imagine how much better Angel would've been if Spike had joined in like season 2. He was so wasted on Buffy in later seasons.
Seriously. Season 5 showed that the Angel and Spike Show would have been fucking amazing.

The show itself is over 18 years old you fucking mongoloid
>ditzy
>cute
>business sense
>loyal
>did literally nothing wrong

>he wasnt underaged when buffy came out

lel kill yourself anyafag

You power through it and keep watching. Seasons 2 and 3 are generally agreed upon to be the best.

Yes, now would you like to point out how being underage in 1997 has anything to do with being underage in 2016?

is this shows fanbase as bad as firefly's and dollhouse? be honest.

I've never talked to anyone that likes Dollhouse, I liked it until the ending.

Angel/Buffy is a tumblr fanbase, just like Supernatural, they infect everything they touch.

I'm just glad the show ended before they could do any harm to it.

The best part is that we're in all the same threads as you on this board and you'll never know when you're agreeing with one of our posts. ;^)

What the fuck is this shit?

>that episode then devolves into the saddest of the entire series

I feel the opposite, Buffy has higher highs and lower lows, while Angel remains pretty damn good all the way through

Shows like these you have to understand that the loudest part of the fanbase doesn't represent everyone who loves it. Take Xena for example, everyone thinks it's a show for lesbos when really they're a small minority of fans they just happen to be the most vocal, squeakiest wheel gets the grease and all that

In short just ignore the faggots who use the show to support their own worldview and enjoy it for what it is, something that's meant to be entertaining, pure and simple

>everyone thinks it's a show for lesbos
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Wait, really? I thought it was generally accepted that it was just cool. Like Hercules.

Literally any time I mention Xena in polite company the response "Oh you mean the lesbian show?" It's pretty annoying. Obviously this is just based on my personal experience but there it is

I really wish it was simply known as a fun adventure series like its parent show Hercules but it's become completely politicized, and the reboot they're planning sounds like a "let's be progressive!" shitfest

See, I get that reaction from a lot of people about Buffy. Granted, it's more understandable with Buffy due to the actual lesbian relationship in the show, but people have their own weird perceptions about the fanbases of showd just from watching it.

When I mention Buffy I usually just get the typical "oh wow you're a nerd" reactions. I suppose it depends on where you live, but everywhere people are ignorant plebs