Why was he such a dick?

Because the victims didn't enjoy their lives as much as he would have liked

I don't think even the people in the charge of the series know anymore. They just needed him to be evil for sequels.

Torture them so the survivors become emotionally and physically crippled

Fucking mastermind

I could buy John's traps, because everybody he tested had a chance to live.

But Hoffmans traps, there'd usually be 2 people and only one could survive. That's not fair.
The shotgun carousel
>6 people, you can only save 2
how is that fair? you're executing 4 people who never stood a chance

Born with face of anus, he wished he wasn't saw.

I've only seen the first years, and years ago. Why did he actually have people technically kill themselves? I remember one line being like "He doesn't kill people, he makes people kill themselves." Anyways, why's he do that? I forgot everything about the movie besides that, and, the ending.

In the first movie the only explanation given is that he got cancer and tried to kill himself in a car crash, but survived, and then began to notice how little healthy people appreciate their lives.

So they need to be the ones 'saving' themselves like he did from the car crash, or 'kill themselves' which he thinks they're already doing metaphorically.

This really should have ended at 3. Pretty solid trilogy if you ignore the last minute sequel bait inclusions.

That's pretty selfish
>Oh, I survived, so now I'm gonna make people who hate themselves survive through physical and mental torture.
Jesus.

He literally did nothing wrong

He didn't like life being taken for granted.

This. It bothered me a lot watching the later sequels. But then again, John did the exact same with Amanda's test in the first. That guy on the ground had no chance to save himself. But I guess he maybe failed another test.

What the fuck did Zep ever do to deserve being tested apart from being a bit of a freak?

His child was killed too, wife was pregnant and dude crushed her between door and wall

Well I think that's the point. Jigsaw is a hypocrite who sits on his high horse judging others.

You can just tell that the creators wanted him to be le morally ambigious tragic villain man, but ended up making him an edgy self-pitying faggot.

One of the worst villains of the last few decades, they don't know what to do with him.

In the later movies it's shown that John previously worked with his wife and provided therapy for drug addicts and suicidal people. When one of them kills his wife in an 'accident', he decides these people need to 'help' themselves instead.

Why not just make his victims think that they're going to die, but not actually hurt them?

It would have the exact same "positive" effect, only with less emotional damage.

>get mad and take revenge on society
>i'm doing it for your own good lol xD

He wanted to make a giant robot copy of himself. When you're cooking that kind of omelette you can't fret over every egg.

The wife didn't die, just their unborn child.

There's more impact in facing your mortality head on

I totally forgot Ben Linus was one of his henchmen. The one where Donnie Don gets his head smashed with the ice blocks right?

I never saw this one, what's the deal with the poster?

Which they still would if they think they're going to die.

There doesn't need to be an actual risk, they just need to believe that there is.

Because he got diagnosed with Reddit.

Nah the first one where he's set up as being Jigsaw until the real Jigsaw reveals himself. He's the guy who's made to kidnap Dr. Gordon's family and gets his head smashed in by a tile. You can see his corpse in the bathroom in the sequels.

I think it's supposed to represent that Jigsaw is 'rebuilding' society or something.

He was married to Betsy Russell. He got insane because he kept getting cucked by Phoebe Cates.

In the first one, he got cancer and became sick of people who didn't appreciate their lives because he was losing his. So he put people through tests like this so that if they made it out (and there was always a way out with his traps) they'd appreciate their lives more.

How did he afford the warehouse space, utility costs and all the materials for his various traps?

This was a symbolic trap because the insurer supposedly was the one to decide who lives or dies irl by rejecting insurance to customers

He's an engineer. He had much of that stuff already

It's explained that the warehouses were parts of his therapy establishment. No idea about the rest.

Because he had heard he has cancer, had a near death car crash and his wife had a miscarriage and it made him appreciate life again at 60 or something, he thought it would be literally the same as forcing 20-somethings to cut off their limbs or gouge their eyes out to teach them the same lesson, because they were talking back to their parents or doing white collar crime or something. That's basically it.

They've always done that since the first movie, but because LOL IT'S SAW NINE THOUSAND AND SIXTY THREE HOW MANY MORE OF THESE MOVIES ARE THEY GONNA MAKE LMAO xD you're purposefully trying to find flaws that don't exist, such as deluded your autistic selves into thinking they've never done this before. Amanda had to kill that guy to get the key to save herself from the bear trap, one of them had to die. Doctor G had to kill Adam or his family would be murdered. They managed to escape but that's not the point, they were supposed to die.

The warehouses were his. He was a successful engineer into real estate I guess

In the last one his accomplice kidnaps an entire construction crew and they all have spine severing devices applied to them. To disarm the devices they have to construct this massive statue of Jigsaw the size of a fucking building to immortalize his legacy forever or some shit like that. The twist is they build the statue with hair when the accomplice wanted it bald, so they all die anyway.

Please tell me this is legitimate

The 'he makes his victims kill themselves' and 'everyone gets a chance' is just bullshit and only plays a part when the movies deem it necessary. Been like that since the first.

Putting a reverse beartrap on someone which ends up ripping their head apart is still murder even if they had a small chance to get it off.

Unfortunately no lol.

Could you imagine though?

These movies are so fucking stupid. I'd rather have another Paranormal Activity than this.

Get fucked memelennial. The Saw franchise is horror KINO.

Unless you're like 37, you're a millennial you dumbass.

Paranormal Activity appeals to the lowest common denominator. The Saw movies are great. Takes a true patrician to appreciate them. Shame they weren't made in the 80s. If they were you'd be hailing it as the greatest horror series of all time.

John wasn't a dick. He legit wanted to help people. His methods were a little outlandish but they worked.

Pics of his corpse in the bathroom in the sequels? I can't find anything

>Unless you're like 37
Not as unusual as you might think, neo-Cred Forums.

>people insulting Jigsaw
Maybe if you'd had been put in one of his traps you'd be living a real life right now instead of spending your entire existence cucking yourself on some shitty forum.

He's a white male

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Torture porn is the worst horror subgenre. Not scary in the least, just gross.

>using the phrase torture porn
Looks like somebody drank the "reddit meme opinion" koolaid.

Because the writers are idiots

That term perfectly applies to the Saw movies. They're less concerned with a coherent narrative than they are with outdoing themselves with gross out practical effects.

Calling something torture porn doesn't automatically disregard any artistic merit the film may have. Martyrs and Salo are universally agreed to be great movies. The Saw movies obviously aren't perfect and the sequels were made to get money, like 99% of movies in existence are, but the people making them had good intentions, they wanted to entertain you. The traps are entertaining as hell, the storyline is convoluted as fuck but that's part of the charm. It has lovable characters and it's fun following the mysteries they string across the series. They were made with intentions of obtaining money and entertaining horror movie fans.

Haunted house / found footage movies such as Paranormal Activity? The creators don't give a shit about you, just the money. Trash like Paranormal Activity is made because the studio knows hoards of dumb fuck teenagers will flock to the theaters who will only watch it so they can talk about how hilarious it was when Stacey jumped so hard she spilled her popcorn. Far more love, talent and artistic merit goes into something like the Saw movies than a piece of shit haunted house / found footage movies. Appeals to the lowest common denominator.

>They're less concerned with a coherent narrative than they are with outdoing themselves with gross out practical effects.
That applies to most gory horror series that don't get any reddit sensibility backlash like the so called "torture porn" punching bag.

He was a good guy.

Yeah but gory slasher movies generally feature likable characters and camp value. Saw is just grimdark shit.

>Yeah but gory slasher movies generally feature likable characters
Except Jigsaw is a very likeable character. I know he might not get you upvoting and shouting "le epin win" like memequipping freddie krueger, but he's an enjoyable character in the "really gets you thinking" kind of way.

Early 00s edgieness has it's own brand of camp appeal, it's just not as overplayed as "le meme comfy based 80 fun" yet because reddit hasn't caught onto it.

Mad at people for wasting their lives.

Wastes the rest of his life building stupid traps and kidnapping people.

>being this into Cred Forums vs reddit console wars

Give it a rest, user.

>but he's an enjoyable character in the "really gets you thinking" kind of way.
How dumb do you like your films?

>helping mankind to better itself is wasting your life
weeeew nu-male

Excuse me but if your head Canon does not include Based Hoffman surviving the ending of Saw 7 you ain't my nigga

I bet you hated Salo, pleb.

Saw is Cred Forums/kino. Trendy to praise horror flicks like The Babameme, It Follows and "muh based comfy" nostalgia crap are reddit.

>console wars
>he is engaged on any level with video game culture

Hi there reddit

The writers are fucking retarded. They tried to write some kind of "evil mad genius" character like Hannibal Lecter, but since retarded morons can't write anything but retarded morons we get this mediocre pathetic hack. Reminder that the writers want you to think that Jigsaw has a point and that he's not wrong, but he's "insane" so his methods are dangerous, but he's a mad genius!

>Reminder that the writers want you to think that Jigsaw has a point and that he's not wrong, but he's "insane" so his methods are dangerous, but he's a mad genius!
Except these are greats films and that's exactly what any educated person does think when they finish this saga.

Shit I didn't even read the whole thread before posting this, now look what I found!
>he's an enjoyable character in the "really gets you thinking" kind of way.
Another fucking retard who has the same IQ as the writers of this turd

If you don't think that Jigsaw was ultimately correct then you are not ideologically compatible with Cred Forums.

>Except these are greats films and that's exactly what any educated person does think when they finish this saga.
Embarrassing, I guess this is why DC/Marvel capeshit keeps being made and breaks box office records

Cred Forums vs Reddit is literally the same as Xbox vs PlayStation or whatever. You're doing the exact same thing.

Except "Hard Terror" Kino like Saw and capeshit degenerate video game pornography are on opposite ends of the art scale.

Lost Cred Forumsedditor is in the wrong place. Cred Forums has always supported Jigsaw.

Jigsaw would lock half the NEETs from TV in a room with nothing but hot pockets and a broken toaster and watch while they died of starvation. If you don't think this, lurk more.

>Xbox vs PlayStation
I don't know what these things are because I am not a jew-infantilized degenerate.

The fact that his ideas are in fact flawed and played out in a ludicrous manner is part of what makes him a great character

Hard terror? Jesus Christ Cred Forums has the worst taste.

It would be good for all of us to be punished by jigsaw. We'd finally get our lives back on track.

Okay.

I'll get on your level
>Jigsaw (cool badass name!) is a mediocre nobody who tries to kills himself but manages to fail at that too
>he now spends his days finding and torturing people who aren't appreciating life as much as Jigsaw thinks they should
>this doctor here didn't spend enough time with his daughter, he got caught up in his job, ok time to teach him a lesson!
>you can choose to die in an excruciatingly painful way right now, or walk away but with only one arm! LET THE GAME BEGIN
>oh he chose to live, ok you're free now, you'll leave this torture chamber smiling and loving life, don't even think about trauma or any of that shit
>muh memes and buzzwords
You are literally retarded

>talking about Cred Forums as if it is an entity seperate from yourself.

Tourist leave.

>Reminder that the writers want you to think that Jigsaw has a point and that he's not wrong, but he's "insane" so his methods are dangerous, but he's a mad genius!
Wrong. Jigsaw is portrayed as a deluded fuck. Donnie Wahlberg tells him "well putting a gun to someone's head and forcing them to pull the trigger is still murder John" and his accomplice Shawnee Smith tells him "what you do is no different from murder, you torture people and watch them die". Each time he's told this Jigsaw just ignores them as if they never even said it. The nigger that hacked off her arm and survived in one of the later ones freaks the fuck out when Costas Mandylor asks her if she learned anything.

There are fun likable characters. And plenty of campy shit. The shitty acting in the first movie especially from Elwes and Leigh Whannell is great. Then you get lines like "the only door you know how to open is between your legs" and "WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP".

I find it interesting how you didn't dare challenge this post:
>Saw is just grimdark shit.
Are you tone deaf or something? That scene where the two guys saw that girl in half in front of the crowd in the middle of a shopping mall is a perfect summary of the series tone.

>you'll leave this torture chamber smiling and loving life, don't even think about trauma or any of that shit
Except that's how it works. Jigsaw turns nu-males into real men and real men live real lives and get on with life without worrying about jew invented pussy ass bullshit like "muh trauma, muh ptsd".

How did they even manage to build that trap inside of a fully functioning shopping mall?

I'm not sure. In this totally grimdark edgy series this is deeply dark and disturbing that you should 100% take seriously it's hard to imagine how they built that trap there.

Jigsaw obviously has some connections. Just because they aren't made explicit doesn't make it a plothole.

Before the age of the nu-male people could INFER.

Keep being retarded
>muh kino muh numales muh jews
Hopefully when the orange imbecile loses this election you'll finally kill yourself

History will prove me the proud warrior, and you the video game enabling cuck who was holding his own race back and then went on to be punished accordingly.

Jigsaw would have voted Trump.

>History will prove me the proud warrior
*tips*
Have some gold good sir

Only a nu-male would think there was anything wrong with being a proud warrior.

You're a mentally retarded manchild posting on a neckbeard internet board, you're not "proud warrior"

I agree Jigsaw is entertaining, but not for the reasons you mention. He's a hypocritical, smug cunt. Tobin Bell is just fun to watch in that role.

> The shitty acting in the first movie especially from Elwes and Leigh Whannell is great.
Yes! I love the camp in the first one. Also the halloweeny makeup job on Dr, Gordon in the end. And Ben Linus over the top delivery.

> I'm gonna kill your husband now, Mrs. Gordon!"
>'IT'S THE RULES!!'

Agreed, the sequels didn't have that DIY shoestring budget charm of the original. They felt too polished.

Tobin Bell is an absolute gem. Saw 2 is my favorite because of the long scenes with him and Donnie Wahlberg.

Gordon should have just had an appreciation enough to carry out John's will and stop Hoffman instead of being an accomplice the whole time.

I'm still pissed off about Saw 7. Jill was a fucking cunt, Gordon should not have given a fuck

Hoffman survived idgaf

>being over 35
>still on Cred Forums

Use any buzzwords you want, at least I'm not as pathetic as you.