DUDE FEEL BAD FOR ROBOTS LMAO

Nice idea but they can't afford Hopkins for another season. Its a bait and switch like Game of Thrones.

It is a criticism of slavery. There is nothing pretentious about it, it happened in our world.

The same scenario will likely playout in the future, likely by the end of this century, if high end AI comes into the picture as the scientists proclaim it will.

>muh slaves
>muh white guilt

That makes it even more pretentious. People arent robots. Android labor will NEVER be comarable to human slavery in the slightest.

All they need is some samples and voice over... It will be the Anthony Hopkins entity in essence that is the "last boss" of this series, whether or not we're looking at the actor or not.

That's the same introduction to Dune complete saga BTW.

>when does consciousness begin? how wide do morals reach? who cares its getting too popular so I have to hate it on Cred Forums to feel cool

Whats the point of keeping the robots unaware about their robot status, again?

ok voice over could work, then have him do call back every now and again.

more immersive

Maybe they act more "real" if they're unaware of the fact that they aren't.

wow logic

So, how long before I am able to escape into (nearly) lifelike VR to reclaim some bit of youthful happiness, while my real body whithers into atrophy?

I like how they can switch modes. I'll give the Nolan brother's this: Their ideas on machine intelligence and how machines should behave is fucking fascinating e.g. the bots in Interstellar.

You can't apply real logic to this fantasy scenario anyway, what do you expect faggot boy

ok then why the fuck bother trying to explain anything you straight manly man

That's even dumber

exactly

I think you were born too early mate

you didn't like Lost by any chance did you?

What will be the difference between enslaving a human being and a fully conscious android who is equally intelligent if not more ?

androids are machines, nothing more. It doesnt matter how intelligent their programming allows them to be.

Large cast = L O S T is a fucking stupid analogy is my point.

You are also a machine. Made from a different material. Thats the only real difference.
And if your biology was the only determining factor whether you could be enslaved or not then why are we enslaving animals knowing that they are not machines ? It is pretty obvious that it has nothing to do with it.

You shouldn't be able to enslave an intelligent being that is fully aware of his existence. That is the bottom line.
In the case of AI, they'll likely become more intelligent than human beings in a shorter amount of time given they can connect to the internet and pretty much download shit ton of data that would take you years to learn in a matter of seconds.

i don't think it's an analogy. it's a comparison. big mystery in the beginning that's intriguing but as you have to get to the bottom of things there's nothing but disappointment.

>intelligent being that is fully aware of his existence

they only produce a replication of this

>big mystery in the beginning that's intriguing but as you have to get to the bottom of things there's nothing but disappointment.

It's been 2 fucking episodes and already you're talking like 4 seasons went by.

I want all of you to die.

>I want all of you to die.

i feel like this about everything, everyday.

well, you'll probably kys after 4 seasons. don't get your hopes up buddy

The true AI we are talking about is not a simulated replica, which will likely be the case in this show. It is not going to be stupid robot programmed to act like a human but rather a robot who grows a consciousness which can't be replicated by anything that isn't full aware. In that sense they'll pass the Turing test, fully indistinguishable from humans.

i bet it has something to do with quantum physics! sweet.

I don't think you understand the purpose of this show

yes i do

Why does Ed Harris have carte blance to wander around and do whatever the fuck he wants. I know that's the point of going to Westworld, but you're assuming he's been there for a long time. Surely they keep an eye on the guests and at some point make a call that he's a bit fucking mental and you'd pull him out.

Maby he pays well

They cant afford Hopkins for more than 1 season.

Probably has something to do with the incident 30 years ago. But it's not like he's been there for every waking hour. He said he's been coming there for 30 years and THIS TIME he ain't never going back. I'm guessing 30 years of using the shrinking machine can mess with you so he's decided to stay and complete the deeper level of the game.

Robots are dumb machines, OP.
The hosts in WW are androids, in that they emulate humans and have memories and emotional responses.

And WW is a great show, I pity you for not being able to explore the philosophical questions it raises like my wife and I do after each episode we watch.

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what does your wife's son think?

DUDE RICH PEOPLE AND CORPORATIONS ARE EVIL LMAO

>>only 2 episodes in has valid opinions *cannedlaughter*

Would you?

BLACKED. When?

>it's an AI entities somehow have the exact same aspirations and moral code as humans episode

>Ford (to Bernard): I know how your brain works

Later
>Theresa (Security Head lady): You're certainly a man comfortable with long, pensive silences. Although, ironically, your creations never shut up, even when there are no guests around.
>Bernard: They're always trying to error correct, make themselves more human. When they talk to each other, it's a way of practicing.
>Theresa: Is that what you're doing now? Practicing?

He's host right?

why is this board so obsessed with black dick?

This is the dumbest fucking thing I've read all year and we're nearing the end of it. Slavery? Are you retarded? It's science fiction, it doesn't criticize something so fucking banal as slavery. It raises an ethical question of "how poorly can we treat robots that are programmed to feel?" and that's an interesting question which divides a lot of people. Of course it's nothing new and it's not supposed to be, but it's something for all the jackasses who didn't watch I, Robot.

It's as valid an interpretation as any.

>Pretentious shitshow
Jesus Christ kill yourself you have no idea what words mean.

>t. Captain Picard

>watch I, Robot.
Are you fucking serious? That movie is intellectually worthless. To say otherwise is would be pretentious. Did you mean "read" I, Robot?

> hey I'm the sheriff but I'm also a robot

That's retarded

Wait, you actually think your brain is somehow magically different?

It's a complex network of electrons, a complex computer.

The material it's made out of is irrelevant.

Because it's the TV and Film board and TV and Film are obsessed with it.

I'm a libertarian and I still think this slow is pretty based.

>Yo dude you're about to get shot
>Doesn't matter they'll just repair me.

No person in their right mind would write science fiction about slavery without a political angle. What would it accomplish? "People feel bad when they're treated as property and forced into labor, that's not nice xD" yeah go figure you fucking inbred, and that's the only thing you can tell by it without spicing it up with some libertarianism or something, showing people how it could actually work.

All I'm saying is that it raises the same question. Yes, I agree that the movie is more action than anything but my point is that although it's nothing original, it's been long enough ago anything big on TV asked that question to do it again.

I don't agree. There's more than enough leeway from this theme to explore it from the premise of a themepark involving robots that assume different characters with implanted memories and motives.

That movie didn't answer it in any similar way than, "Subservient robot gains sentience," which has been done so many times in cinema, much better than in I, Robot, such as A.I.: Artificial Intelligence, RoboCop, Ex Machina, and then also a whole bunch of Star Trek Episodes. I'm sure you said I, Robot just because it was the first one that came to mind?

Well I think "subservient robot gains sentience" isn't too far from the Westworld story if we look at Dolores and a few others. The robots in I, Robot also rebel, which is kinda in the cards with Westworld (one of the techies say something like "Dolores wouldn't hurt a living thing" and at the end of episode 2 she swats a fly on her neck and as we know flies are the only living creatures, aside from guests, in the park).

I admit it's a bad example, and that it's from the top of my head, but I don't think it's entirely wrong.

>"Dolores wouldn't hurt a living thing" and at the end of episode 2 she swats a fly on her neck and as we know flies are the only living creatures
BRAVO, NOLANDamn, I actually didn't catch that.

because Cred Forums is full of libcucks and shillaryfucks.

>Dolores wouldn't hurt a living thing" and at the end of episode 2 she swats a fly on her neck and as we know flies are the only living creatures, aside from guests, in the park).
That's episode 1 but yeah. In a way she's lied to her makers about never hurting a living thing.

How long til the porn parody Wetworld?

Nah, just has a touch of the 'tism.

You're probably right, but the fact that she both lies and hurts living things paves the way for big problems later on.

SHRINKING MACHINE?

How can the robots tell who's human and who's robot? Seems like robots try to kill living things all the time, not knowing they're killing other robots. Not to say they try to kill humans too already but a cock blocked by fake guns.

>Allot
Fuck off underage fag

>Pretentious
You should probably learn the meaning of words before using them.

>source material

Literally Jurassic Park with cowboys, even written by the same guy. Did you feel bad for the dinos in Jurassic Park too?

They have programmed brains. They could have a directory of every other robot in the park. If someone isn't on the list, then they are guest.

>nolan show
>yfw this will happen

but how did they shrink the guests?

NYT also called it pretentious, guess they just don't know English eh? :^)

Is this a meme at this point or are people actually this retarded? I can buy confusion about how it works if you've only seen 1 episode, but if you've seen both and still don't get it you might actually be retarded.

It's supposed to make you feel bad for actors.

The actors are stuck in Westworld, doing whatever the programmers say. They're used and abused and exploited. Some are even raped.

Then eventually they end up in cold storage.

How fucking dumb are you?

Honestly

Shrinking machine

jesus fuck, do you have autism?

Is Rami black?

well he's egyptian so his ancestors were black

>DUDE FEEL BAD FOR ROBOTS LMAO

I think you're the one that missed the point.

The point of the show is that barring glitches, the robots are perfectly happy being life-sized GI Joes and Barbie Dolls that get wrecked and then reset every day.

>DUDE HUMANS ARE MACHINES SO ROBOTS ARE PEOPLE LOL

This is how you spot the underaged.

>It is a criticism of slavery.

You can't "enslave" a robot.

Robots are tools that only have the capacity people give them.

You can't "enslave" a toaster or a stapler for the same reason.

The incident 30 years ago thing is just a reference to the old movie. It isn't a mysterious event we don't know about yet.

Did you not even watch the show? The size of Westworld is made clear when management are shown overlooking the park.

he either is part of the management or he pays a fuckton of money

Just start taking steroids

>the underaged
The leftist you mean.

You're only point is that humans have... what? a soul? What do you believe the soul that differentiates us actually is? Just something from god?

*end of episode 1 she swats the fly
like 10 seconds after claiming not to be able to hurt things
it was a lil hard to miss m8

>What will be the difference between enslaving a human being and a fully conscious android who is equally intelligent if not more ?
> fully conscious android

A big fucking difference.

A fully conscious android implies an android that is self-aware of his existence and his purpose to fulfill the will of it's creator and/or owner.
It does not object because it was not created to object.

You cannot abuse, enslave or violate a 100% artificial being.

That's right, I was offering that as an explanation to MIB's VIP status. Being affected by the events of the movie.

>the point
>Implying its viewers can ever get any points

ai will never reach the level of complexity as a machine though.

Congrats on the (you)s
;)

>Android labor will NEVER be comarable to human slavery in the slightest.

Depends on how advanced AI gets doesn't it?

Also, if the androids are programmed to feel pain, suffering.

You assume they could have self-awareness.

Then you get into the hard problem of consciousness, and Searle's Chinese room thought experiment.

To achieve deeper levels of cognition and learning, you might want it to object in some sense though.

He's a whale. He's paid millions and millions of dollars to visit the park over 3 decades. He pays the bills. He keeps the lights on.

He's a VIP.

Yes, that goes without saying.

oh is that what they said? No, they didn't. Stop talking out of your ass. The timelines dont even match up.

There's one black guy, the others are trolls, maybe even a femanon slut.

>It's science fiction, it doesn't criticize something so fucking banal as slavery

Slavery is banal?

As in the banality of evil?

And you don't think poor treatment of robots is comparable to slavery?

That's the dumbest tfucking thing you've read all year?

l2philosophy dude.

there aleady is one, it came out 40 years ago

At this point I'm starting to believe that William a d MIB are not the same person. There are previews of William kissing Dolores and then another one with MIB and Teddy dressed as Confederate soldiers.

Still like the theory though.

>DUDE HUMANS ARE JUST MACHINES BRO

No. You're confusing humans with something they built.

It's like saying humans are cars.

I know atheists believe in the whole "machine man" concept. And yet they've yet to build a machine with consciousness.

*human
not machine kek

>The size of Westworld is made clear when management are shown overlooking the park.
Lmao
It's a virtual projection of the park and it's clearly shown during the bar shootout.

They enlarged the area of interests, like a zoom from the camera. They most likely have hidden cameras employed park-wide and use satellite imaging to monitor everything else.

Your shrinking theory doesn't make any fucking sense.

We'were shown the headquarters of the corporation on the top of a mountain overlooking the entire area
We're shown androids in 1:1 scale to real humans in the world.
Why would they make 1:1 scale machines in order to shrink them later and waste shitton of resources to do so?

Robots could have something as simple as RFID tags in them. Anything without a tag would register as human aka DO NO HARM.

>big mystery in the beginning that's intriguing but as you have to get to the bottom of things there's nothing but disappointment.
tfw you just described life.

You put the cart before the horse.

Jurassic Park is Westworld with dinosaurs.

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It's a troll meme that will seem to dog this show forever because they know it's such a stupid question that it triggers people.

THEYRE NOT FUCKING ROBOTS YOU IDIOT THEYRE ANDROIDS

"Humans are machines" is an easy way to explain a concept to a moron, but apparently you're a step below a moron. The notion is that the human brain is a structure, albeit a very complex one, which could theoretically be replicated given adequate technology.

>falling this hard for bait

And what if you gave a stapler the ability to feel pain?

What if you gave a toaster the ability to suffer?

On Star Trek: The Next Generation, when they gave the android Data an emotion chip, it raises serious questions about how to treat such a being.

One might argue one can't "enslave" something you created, but then parents couldn't enslave their children, when they clearly can.

If a westworld-equivilant of baneposting was born, what conversation would be used for it?

oh god this is going to be a long 10 episodes.

What do you think separates you from the most advanced humanoid robot out their today?

Neurons?

This goes back to the hard problem of consciousness.

>You cannot abuse, enslave or violate a 100% artificial being.

Why not? Clones are artificial (man-made) and they can be abused, enslaved, violated.

Ford's intentions seem to be create the robots to glitch, his own version of robot evolution (whose only tool is the "mistake" he said). To use a quote from Tron: Legacy, "bio digital jazz."

And clearly the androids are increasing in self-awareness, maybe even eventually consciousness.

>implying science fiction isn't open to all kinds of interpretations, analogies, metaphors, philosophical questions

>In Westworld you can do whatever you want
>they encourage you to do whatever you want
>no one has fucked a horse yet
Immersion ruined s͏m͏h t͏͏b͏͏h

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Androids are robots. Androids are a subset of robots.

same shit

If they wanted to make me feel bad for machine people, make it about cyborgs, like the new Deus Ex games.

>tfw you hope the show will delve deep into philosophical questions about the metaphysics of subjective experience, but you know it won't

>theoretically

Oh you mean you have no proof then.

gb2 r/futurology and keep jacking off to your copy of Transcendant Man with Ray Kurzweil

Human beings are merely "biological machines" with no consciousness, no souls, no spirit, no mind and nothing but a collection of organized chemicals that run physical brains in a deterministic machine-like way.

They've become complex enough so that you're unable to differentiate them from an actual human being. The show challenges your view of what gives a human being its worth. They are able to improvise just like you and I, which gives them some form of free will, and free will is the only thing that separates us from a simple program.

You're welcome to prove to us how carbon based chemical systems can be conscious, while electrical systems can't.

:^)

go home FT2 you're drunk

Here's my prediction. There will be a lot of mysterybox shit, but the show will be cancelled on a cliffhanger after season 3.

Pffft. What will actually happen is that people will start treating robots like black people and there will be a Robot Lives Matter

Determinism is false. Quantum mechanics shows that. Einstein wrote "It was as if the ground had been pulled out from under one's feet, with no firm foundation to be seen anywhere, upon which one could have built."

And "biological machines" is like saying plants are really just iPhones. You're using a new, man-made invention, and misapplying that label to something that precedes that artifact by 4 billion years.

I suppose you could believe that humans are "philosophical zombies", as you appear to, but I also get the feeling you've never done DMT.

I mean, to claim that consciousness does not exist, you think there's no difference between you and a cockroach? I mean, you're probably as atheistic as a cockroach, but you think if you just keep adding neurons you get a human?

Just because there's a random element within the chain of reaction doesn't mean things won't turn out like they will. Nor does it mean you have choice.

But I would say quantum physics probably isn't even random but we just don't understand how it works.

There is no evidence that electrical machines built by humans, based on binary data processing, are conscious (or can be).

Again, you assume that consciousness is simply a matter of 1s and 0s.

looks like someone doesn;t get the show. How incredibly stupid can humans be?

Not the guy, but consciousness is just debugging program running on itself.

>he thinks people don't make decisions
>he thinks people don't choose things
t. sam harris

Jonathan > Christopher Nolan
The only good C.Nolan films are the collaborations with his brother.

>your mind is just a program, i mean engram
t. l. ron hubbard

Oh wow, the HBO board on a Malaysian knitting forum finally cracked consciousness. Google and Apple and Tesla will love this.

We don't know what the subjective experience part of consciousness is, so we wouldn't really know if any machines built by humans had experience.

If you were to try to figure out how experience worked, don't you think it's unproductive to start out with the assumption that we're the only things capable of having it?

I noticed an article a while ago that suggested maybe even bees have some level of consciousness.
scientificamerican.com/article/exploring-consciousness/

However, there is still no reason to assume machines built by humans on silicon could have consciousness, just like there is still no reason to assume that aliens exist. There's no evidence for it.

People might counter that humans are "machines", but is the sun a machine? Is the ocean a machine? Is an octopus a machine? Not all systems are machines.

People can certainly try to give machines consciousness.

But the Chinese room argument by John Searle refutes the computational theory of mind. Searle thinks that "brains cause minds" and that "actual human mental phenomena [are] dependent on actual physical–chemical properties of actual human brains".
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computational_theory_of_mind
>In philosophy, a computational theory of mind names a view that the human mind or the human brain (or both) is an information processing system and that thinking is a form of computing.

Although there are people who have criticized his positions.

That's why AI is interesting, because consciousness is still an unsolved problem.

Are we even watching the same show?

they are predetermined

10/10 post clearly intelligent and logical
0/10 post probably a cockroach

>probably a cockroach

>not a turkroach

>look i'm trolling

So when I ask you to pick a number between 1 and 9,000, your choice is predetermined?

When you were born, it was predetermined you would be posting here, in this thread, on this day, at this time, wearing those clothes, in that structure?

A comet impact 55 million years ago may have triggered global warming which led to the rise of mammals. An accident. If not for that, you might not even exist right now. That was predetermined?

>People might counter that humans are "machines", but is the sun a machine? Is the ocean a machine? Is an octopus a machine? Not all systems are machines.

What makes a non-machine system different from a machine-system though? The point of "humans are machines" is to convey that we, like a machine, are a bunch of atoms simply following the laws of physics, which means that there is no reason a machine shouldn't be able to have consciousness.

Until the Androids attain real consciousness.

That's one of the bigger questions of the show, at what point do we consider something intelligent and worty of rights.

He pays good money, they aren't stopping that gravy train.

> the point of its source material.
which is?

Why did he apologize to her for not being able to see her that night? It's not like he cares about her constant.

Jurassic World 2 will tackle animal rights issues.

Yes. In order to have a free will, we would have to somehow circumvent causality, but we can’t do that. Any decision we make has to have a cause, because we are making it for a reason. The problem is that if we have a decision that has a cause, and that cause has a cause, and that cause has a cause, and you’re going back in time in a causal regression that ultimately leads to before our birth, before the Planet was created, and to the time of the Big Bang, free will must be impossible

*consent

Yeah but we still dont know for sure if the show takes place in the actual wild west or not

If a robot were to gain true intelligence, consciousness, and become self aware, then that would be a robot whose "capacity," as you put it, would make it so that it would want to escape an ensalving situation no?

Current rating:

Ep 1: Solid 8
Ep 2: Slightly above average

HMMMMMM

It's a 'they were programmed that way' episode

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Female Jaqen?

>source material
>based on a 1970s movie
>said movie was written around an actor essentially reprising his role from another movie
>other said movie was a remake of a Japanese movie

okay.

>mfw Cred Forums is 10x better than /sci/ at discussing metaphysics

What do you mean by "actual wild west"? We have very good reason to believe the park is a real place out in the desert, and not a simulation. Why else do we see the real people coming into the world, setting up lights, turning androids off, etc?

Its on mars

>No reason
It's not because you can't think of a reason that there are no reason for it. The fact that some beings are conscious and some things are not, see, a rock, clearly show there are reasons as to why it is that way. You are out of your depth here.

In 1747, de La Mettrie published "Man a Machine", which expands on the idea that animals were merely automatons or machines, to say that mankind was also a machine, and that there may be no clear distinction between living matter and dead matter.

Most man-made machines follow classical physics. But when you get to like the 10nm scale or something in silicon chips, quantum tunneling becomes a problem, and you're on the level of quantum physics. And in quantum mechanics, an observer changes the state of a system.

There is a hypothesis, quantum consciousness, that proposes that classical physics cannot explain consciousness.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mind

Then there's also the fact that the body is like 70% water. There is also quantum tunneling of water, which supposedly can occur through cell walls.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_tunneling_of_water

Then there are also things that happen on small scales like the Casimir effect.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect

The idea that a digital machine could have consciousness is based on the theory of computationalism, that human consciousness is due to the brain being a "computer", that thinking is a form of computing.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computational_theory_of_mind

But without having built a digital machine that displays consciousness, there is no evidence that computationalism is true.

Although, in Integrated information theory, Giulio Tononi suggests that panpsychism might be true, that consciousness is a property of all matter, and the level of consciousness depends on a system's "integrated information."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_information_theory
blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/can-integrated-information-theory-explain-consciousness/

"Given enough time, Hydrogen starts to wonder where it came from, and where its going." -Edward R Harrison

>The causality argument

What would be some interesting scenarios in Westworld for person of color like me?

I wonder what other theme parks he could do next. We have Westworld, Roman world, Jurassic world, Medieval world. Something always goes wrong in every single one. Why not have a twist and have everything go as planned, but the park close to disinterest

It seems like you're assuming I believe every machine is conscious, which obviously isn't the case (though it wouldn't be impossible that it is like something to be a rock).

Certain configurations of matter become conscious. The human brain is one of them. I don't see what makes carbon special and why you couldn't make other configurations with other types of matter that would also be conscious.

Slavery would be fun, or getting lynched by a bunch of people because they know your ancestors will vote Hillary Clinton and commit 50% of all violent crime in the first world.

No they are fucking not. Know your sci fi nerd

>2 episodes in
>SLAMS ARMCHAIR KEYBOARD
>IM GENUS I KNOW THIS SHOW ABOUT HATE PEOPLE AND SHIET

This is great; why not explore the morality of destroying some thing with consciousness because it is useless or unprofitable?
Trump is only doing as well as he is because he represents a group of people with no function: White working class people.

No it is not. Androids are fucking androids. Robots are entirely different subset of machines.

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I think whenever it's real or not doesn't make a difference, the experience stays the same.

You say this, but the show has a huge fucking budget. We're seeing film stars lasting a few seasons on various shows. Spacey in house of cards, lawrence fishburne on hannibal, hell, go back to martin sheen on the west wing

such as

Can someone explain the shrink ray thing to me?

The green part is another park. Mark wmy words

You are literally too intelligent for this show, or any other popular show.

Isn't sweetwater supposed to be in the middle of the park? Seems like it'd be really easy to get to the edge if its on the south side

There is an invisible wall

Invisible wall? That's stupid.

If free will means the freedom to do anthing (omnipotence), we don't have that. But if by free will, it means being presented with at least 2 options, and choosing between them, why think people don't make choices?

You could argue any decision has to have a cause. But like you said, every cause has a prior cause, all the way back to the beginning of time, in which case you either have a) an infinite series of causes, or b) a first cause, a causeless cause. Which is another way of saying that either a) the past goes back forever (eternity) or b) the past goes all the way back until it stops (and time starts).

Which raises the question of what caused the first second. What would cause the clock of time to start ticking? I think Stephen Hawking suggested it could start with a black hole, saying there is no time inside a black hole. Yet that posits the existence of a black hole before the universe began. What created the black hole? An eternal black hole? Why believe in that instead of an eternal universe?

In computers the clock cycles (counting) is based on the oscillations of crystals, a clock generator is often a quartz piezo-electric oscillator. Dry bone also exhibits some piezoelectric properties, so does tendon, so does enamel, so does DNA.

At the basic level of reality, there could be quantum harmonic oscillators. The universe could also be the result of a Big Bounce.

But causality still concerns the concept of time. How does time start? Does time exist before there is anyone to observe it? Does time exist before there is anyone to count it?

If time started, then the universe itself appears to have circumvented causality. Others argue that consciousness precedes the universe (or at least a latent form of consciousness in a state similar to the deepest silent stage of sleep, where within it contains a seed that can eventually develop into higher and higher states of consciousness).

>Medieval world
Sounds really boring.

They can't let the guests get out and run around the factory because someone might step on them

>there are people who actually believe robots are human

Seriously what the fuck? I get arguing about it for fun or as some sort of logic exercise but the fact is they're fucking robots

what's the best way to get (you)s in Westworld threads now that people have figured out the shrinkray meme?

Ask about bane

Just point out how pleb it is and watch the plebbitors go nuts

Pistols work like laser tag. The light beam triggers the host to explode like they are getting shot.

WHEN we perfect AI and cyborgs our sole option is to give them full rights or they will wipe us out

some retards think that the holographic map is actually westworld itself and they shrink down everything and put in there

we are biological robots making superior robots

You become the black sheriff of a town and say EXCUSE ME WHILE I WHIP THIS OUT and Mel Brooks plays an Indian.

{spoiler]they are all synthetics[/spoiler]

Nice fedora meme, I bet you think we're living in a simulation too, huh?

Fraid not kiddo

Robot - noun

a machine capable of carrying out a complex series of actions automatically, especially one programmable by a computer.

You could argue we're meat machines but again, the fact is we're not.

>Certain configurations of matter become conscious.

Well does the brain emit consciousness or receive it? I guess that could be called the radio theory of consciousness, which proposes the human brain is like a receiver of some more fundamental element of reality.

Otherwise, why think unaware matter could ever exhibit awareness? Why think atoms could just "wake up" and realize they are atoms?

>Android, a humanoid robot or synthetic organism designed to look and act like a human

Also, this thread is seriously lacking people talking about what sexbots they would cast in Westworld.

making someone as old as hopkins a key part of your series is risky

Just go "dude x character is a host lmao"

The shrink ray meme is bait to make people answer questions about the mimimap of the park they observe in the show.

On that note, Jurassic Park talks about flea circuses and how all the people insisted they could see the fleas.

>>there are people who actually believe robots are human

Who said that?

Westworld touches on philosophical questions on all kinds of subjects (like most scifi).

Sorry we didn't stay on OP's topic of feeling bad for robots (although it's been shown that humans will in fact exhibit empathy towards robots, and even machines, say, cars, airplanes, ships, smartphones, etc).

As the robots in the show become more human, presumably viewers may question whether the treatment of the robots is...humane.

Duh. Never read Indian and the Cupboard? All shrink rays. Jonathan Nolan is a big fan.

>implying

>viewers may question whether the treatment of the robots is...humane.

but they're robots. they aren't living things. what need is there to be humane

You are funny. Though I doubt that even a moron could grasp the differentiation between an android and a human. A dolt? Perhaps with some diagrams.

Why is this character so boring?

>autistic
>unemotional
>likes programming and eyebrow movements
>muh dead son
>actor describes him as "an everyman"

But where did John Hammond store the shrink ray to make the flea cirus?

Were dinosaurs trained to operate the shrink ray?

>they aren't living things

THEY'RE ROBOTS. Do you think your computer is a living thing?

>Well does the brain emit consciousness or receive it? I guess that could be called the radio theory of consciousness, which proposes the human brain is like a receiver of some more fundamental element of reality.

I like the idea of viewing the subjective experience part of consciousness as something fundamental, akin to how gravity or spacetime is looked at. The idea that the it's not the high level chemical reactions that create consciousness, but something deeper down into matter, on the quantum level or even below. If you take that stance, it would become even more unlogical to assume only the human brain can have subjective experience.

Do they have emotions? Can they feel pain? Can they feel suffering?

In episode 2, MIB kills the Meixcan's wife and says "When you're suffering that's when you’re the most real."

In The Moral Landscape, Sam Harris proposed that the only moral framework worth talking about is one where "morally good" things pertain to increases in the "well-being of conscious creatures". On the other hand, morally bad would mean the decrease of well-being of conscious creatures.

The robots on the show are increasing in awareness, maybe to the level of consciousness.

>comparing them to my computer

Do you seriously not understand the whole fucking theme of the show of robots and AI gaining awareness and consciousness?

Fucking plebbit i swear to god

How could I not understand it? It's only the oldest, most tired sci fi trope in history. This little thought experiment has been performed a million and one times before and here's this show acting like it's doing something profound when it's just a retread of old hack themes from the hackmeister generals Abrams and Nolan

Isn't that the same kid who was in the park and talked with Dolores? Also didn't Bernard said he doesn't have any kids?

Yeah, but it would depend on what the androids brains were made of.

If they had to be made of human brain to have consciousness, humans already have a way to create more conscious creatures: birth.

you're just ignorant m8

i bet you believe in free will

A valid statement, assuming the robots don't have consciousness, which we aren't sure of, which is why it's an interesting question.

>How could I not understand it?

>but they're robots. they aren't living things. what need is there to be humane

Once these non-human robots glitch their way towards consciousness, do you think there's no need to treat conscious robots humanely? These robots that are designed to be indistinguishable from humans?

How is the show acting like it's doing something profound?

If you want to rewatch Blade Runner a thousand times, go ahead.

>ohhh it's a tired trope

Then why the fuck are you in a thread about robots, AI, and whether machines can ever be conscious?

Jesus Christ, go back to watching I Am Legend and jacking off to TVtropes.

>do you think there's no need to treat conscious robots humanely?

No, because they're robots. Treat them robotely

>Then why the fuck are you in a thread about robots, AI, and whether machines can ever be conscious?

Because it infuriates me seeing people gobble up this garbage and act like it's anything more than a hack retreading of tired old themes and tropes that no one with half a brain gives a shit about. People like you dumb fucks are the reason the vast majority of entertainment is absolute garbage

Listen the the consciousness of the robots is basically like yours within a dream. But under certain circumstances you can become conscious in a dream, like asking the right questions etc. They said they train with each other all the time, so sooner or later something will happen that makes them question their reality. We could argue if they're really conscious or not, but they can learn about reality and the nature of theirselves and you couldn't tell the difference to an ordinary human.

>Pretentious shitshow that misses the point of its source material.
It was never trying to hit the point of the original movie, or treating it as a "source material" to be adapted directly, but as a jumping off point, but by all means stop watching it. We won't miss you.

True, they're not real living things, but they do have a sort of limited sentience to react to the guests and other events within the park, and they are programmed to have constructs of pain, and anguish, and worry about other hosts. In most moral frameworks, those things are more important than whether the entity is made out of meat and real biological bone.

>liberal news outlets talking about how the show is about the scenario of "What if you could do anything and not be punished for it?"
>really the show is about how long-term memories are an essential part of self-consciousness

You can't even prove that you have consciousness

It can be both, you know.

The fact that they act human is reason enough to treat them humane, or at least some philosophers propose

What confuses me is why do t the host punch the guest in The face ? I mean they can't shoot them. But that doesn't mean they can't strangle them or beat then to a bloody pulp

Or stab them (unless the knives turn to water when they try)

They are programmed not to seriously hurt the guests.

>all guests have God-mode cheats activated all the time

Pretty fake and gay imo

it'd be neat if Ford allowed the Hosts to actually harm the guests

But yet that cowboy shoots mib a bunch of times in the first episode would t the programming stop them ?

But that literally happened

They're probably only programmed to shoot bullets since they are the only things that management can control (i.e: turn the bullets into dust)

They're using special guns that only hurt the other hosts. Notice at the end of ep 2 where Dolores supposedly finds a real gun buried in the ground.

How you figure? It's success and acclaim only means increased budget for season 2

It's fantasy bullshit that probably won't get explained. Showrunners official position only states that for guests it's like getting shot with simunition.

Fucking non-rpers ruining my immersion and acting like they didn't get shot REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

so far, this is a not shitty dollyhouse

Prove to me that you are conscious

This is not a commentary on the show but...

If I were paying for this shit I'd be annoyed but the auto-god mode. If they made it so I could "die" and wake up outside the park, then there woulld be some stakes.

It is like playing gta with cheats on, gets old in 20 min. except in this case you pay a small fortune to do it.

how many episodes are out there and how many blond qts are there

Sure but i can prove im human

some sort of train robbery

I think one of the guys behind the show said they function similarly to modern day simunition when fired at guests.

WOW BIGOTED ASSHOLE, ROBOTS HAVE FEELINGS TOO AND ARE WORTH JUST AS MUCH AS HUMANS

How do they shrink down the simunation? The bullets would have to be extremely small to fit in the guns of tiny miniature people

>invisible walls

...

2 epispdes out of 10 are out now and there are 4 blonde qts
-"2/10" girl
-ayy lmao
-delores
and top qt
-armistice

good 2 know

The opening remindes of that pirates show wich tried hard at being sex and gay and shit.
Huge alaram.

kek were else is he gonna go? I love the guy, but he hasn't been in anything decent in years, not exactly an A lister anymore.

Besides its not tv its HBO

youtube.com/watch?v=9gOWCVfnN-E

15 mins here.
Please tell me this is about scifi and cyberpunk and shit and not fucking robot coywboys.

is robot cowboys not sci fi to you? Also where did you get the idea that this is cyberpunk

black sails is fucking good though (except the faggot part)

So its actually about cowboys?
What a wasted opportunity.

Where is the episode?

This is disgusting.

What would happen if you played along like you got shot? Would they just do their thing like when you say something out of character? Stare blankly at you until you get back up.

>having an opinion that's 100% based on the plot of a motion picture

Yeah I watched Her too

>>DUDE FEEL BAD FOR ROBOTS LMAO
>Pretentious shitshow that misses the point of its source material.
Did you miss the meta narrative where the androids are the actors, and the cahracters they play are the expendables, forgotten narratives that viewers, the visitors, don't respect (as don't you, or people in general, just there for the exploitation and thrills)

god this board is dumb.

Source Material:

>Horror slasher with robots