What am I supposed to take away from this?

ITS NOT FAIR

That you are a retard.

a nap

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idgi

its LITERALLY the direction he gave to his jewish writer, Cred Forumseddit.

>LITERALLY
stopped reading there.

can Americans please stop using this word incorrectly

He's using it correctly

Why do you assume you should "take away" something from it? It's not a fucking fable.

A marriage is supposed to be hard work, so don't give so easily into temptation (seen as Harford's persistence into looking into this cult even when specifically told it will lead nowhere).

>ywn be rich
>ywn have sex
just fucking end it

literally rekt

It's about marriage. Everyone always looks for the deeper meaning with muh illuminati

For me, it was intriguing that the wife was just able to fantasize about another man and it got her off, presumably numerous times just thinking about being with her navy boy. And just that idea was enough to push the husband over the edge into obsession, but instead of enjoying a comparable fantasy, he tries to be unfaithful, and again and again he is thwarted. He couldn't even make it happen with a prostitute he paid nor in an orgy where sex was available for free. His status as a married man is an important point that defines the outcomes that transpire in the film.

So while the wife remained faithful in her behaviour, she is not in her mind, and it was her intention that drove the husband to repeated attempts at infidelity, which all failed himself as a cuckolded and ineffectual male. They remain together in the end despite both their frustrated infidelities, symbolic of the dependent dyadic relationship that defines hetereonormative couplings in modern society.

Jews prey on shabbos goyim who are confused because jews also brainwashed white women to be whores and then rape their children while they are busy.

Hemlock Grove

The orgy section was so good, I wish the entire movie was just Tom Cruise in the mansion or whatever.

I have sex.

Everyone can have sex.
Dont be such a loser, you little insane cuck who gets off to parading his own failures arround for sympathy, LIKE A WOMAN.

you literally dont know the meaning of rekt

That Kidman sacrificed their daughter to keep them safe. You can see the two men from the party kidnap her while she distracts him, this is why she says "lets fuck", because she want's to have another kid because the price of his curiosity was their flesh and blood.

Insecurities of a marriage.

then why kill kubrick 666 days before 2001

Why kill him 666 days before 2001?

This.
Also it's Kubrick's greatest film.

>being this autistically jewish

have you even bothered to watch 2001?

If the jews are satanical then it might be funny to kill stanley Kubrick director of 2001 666 days before 2001, if you feel like killing him

He was old and fat and in general poor health and was working way too hard for the state he was in.

Read your post aloud and tell me how retarded it sounds.

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>le tin foil hat man
pls go Cred Forums

Yes, I've seen it multiple times. Eyes Wide Shut is his best film.

>666
NO MORE JEWISH TRICKS

She's so deadpan, I hated the character for that. I was expecting some sort of redemption for her but no.

your degree in socialism *cough* I mean sociology is showing faggot

Women are treated like sex objects/prostitutes by society and little girls are conditioned to accept it(every scene with the daughter).
No matter how much you work hard and gain status you can never reach the upper class. Tom cruise would have every interaction with the "plebs" using money or his status as a doctor and he even gets invited to parties mingling with the real elites but when he gets into the orgy he is constantly reminded that he is just a "room service doctor"
And some other stuff about sex and power.

Basically class and sex.

They'd finally addressed the shallowness of their marriage and can now embrace without the metaphorical masks they've been wearing for social convenience.

>not thinking that scene was acted properly

I used the word character instead of actor on purpose.

This clarifies why for me. But I was not under any impression that it was acted badly.

i guess

so the whole movie is about their marriage?

what does the secret meetings, the drugs, the deaths and everything else have to do with it?

"Man why wasnt I born a rich jewish son in New York"

Borefest, almost as bad as Barry Lyndon

If it's of no interest to you, why bother commenting?

Bill's subconscious battling his own sexual ego. It's why everything relating to the cult can easily serve as a stripped down, mirrored image of the Ziegler party at the beginning. The same sexual exploitation of women, just without the veil of social sophistication.

You'd really describe it as sexual exploitation? Go into why it's exploitation for me? We get the girl who dies after trying to give the warning but was that to do with exploitation or was it to do with deterring others from compromising the occult group.

well what did the shopkeeper and the girl represent?

IT actually. sorry that a basic, descriptive assessment of a straight forward film threatens you enough to make adhominems. Like a stupid gay baby.

I suppose it would be naive to try and argue they were completely distinct for the occult group.

I had an image of these beauty pageants goers being approached with the offer of money for their time.

That would go down the path of whether prostitution is exploitation of women or whether it's the women who are just selling their bodies to the men who value them.

But the link could be drawn that like costumes their are people who make commerce with the bodies of women in order to cater to the occult.

Marriage is hard

Bill's relationship with his own daughter and how his lifestyle will influence her to eventually be nothing more than another man's possession, like her mother.

Hiring desperate, low class women as prostitutes and feeding them drugs for your own sexual infidelities is what plenty would consider exploitive. I don't think the prostitute sacrificing herself is anything more than Bill's ego; the thought a prostitute would sacrifice herself for someone she hardly knows isn't particularly believable.

What if his wife was part of the cult? Isn't his wife embedded in mystery aswell?

I think it's more of a case that there are people who have difficult marriages and Kubrick is exploring what makes it hard for those people.

I personally don't like that people look for some pervasive all applicable political meaning in all films, I see it as more of an identification of certain sub-cultures, that in eyes wide shut can be considered pathological to society as a whole, and the kind of speculative analysis of what makes it tick.

I was curious about this. I saw some youtube video that tried to argue that Cruise was playing a character that was being implicitly invited into the occult, I decided it was too speculative though.

This is like prime feminist ideology right here. It clouds how you interpret the film. Do you think this was the focus that Kubrick had when making the film or merely an aspect of it, that you think Kubrick felt disdain for?

In my eyes Kubrick always tried to hold emotional distance from his subject of film so he could display a clearer analysis.

I'll pose a couple of questions for you-

What makes these women desperate?

Why is it that the men are just sexual infidels, could they not be slaves to there own desires?

Do you think it's possible that you ascribe to much self-autonomy to the men and not enough to the women?

Is it not possible that the prostitute relates to the naivety that is present in Bill, that at one point she might have felt when she first become involved with the occult group?

The women are not trapped there by force, with the exception of the girl in the costume store, who is a dependent, I would agree that that is exploitation. They can leave the city at any time and attempt a new life anywhere else, live in the woods, what is it in them that keeps them there, stuck in the occult?

I haven't seen the movie in a while, I don't remember there being much drugs with the exception of the girl who was ODing in the beginning, was she forced/tricked into to taking the drugs?

Maybe if I see it again I'll see more aspects of your point of view but I'd still think you've clouded your vision with ideology.

That Kubrick wasn't above using his status to get live porn on the studio's dime.

>Frederic Raphael, who authored the Eyes Wide Shut script for Kubrick recalled that Kubrick once remarked that "Hitler was right about almost everything," and insisted that any trace of Jewishness be expunged from the "Eyes Wide Shut" script.

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>MUH MADE UP QUOTES
kys

>What makes these women desperate?

Being of lower social class, Kubrick highlighting this by showing us the home shared by prostitutes being in stark contrast to the luxurious interiors of virtually everywhere else in the film. As well as the overdosed prostitute at Ziegler's party being a drug addict. These are people working to meet their most base necessities in life by providing a luxury to others.

>Why is it that the men are just sexual infidels, could they not be slaves to there own desires?

I don't think Kubrick was interested in exploring the basic biological imperatives of men, or at least didn't seem to introduce it as a theme at any point. I think the scene of Bill in the prostitutes' apartment where he's talking to Alice on the phone with the "Introducing Sociology" book prominently displayed in the frame is a good summary of sex's purpose in the film. Bill doesn't have sex with the prostitute but pays her anyway, and it isn't just because Bill is a swell guy, it's to prop himself up after the guilt of having spoken to Alice prevents him from sleeping with the prostitute. Where Bill's ego isn't satisfied physiologically he turns to the sociological comfort of having done a "good deed" by paying someone of poor means and having not cheated on his wife. EWS is largely an exploration of the sociological implications of sexual relationships in a husband/wife, rich/poor power structure.

>Do you think it's possible that you ascribe to much self-autonomy to the men and not enough to the women?

I can only know what Kubrick chooses to show the audience. If you have examples of Kubrick portraying women differently then I'm open to examining it.

>Is it not possible that the prostitute relates to the naivety that is present in Bill, that at one point she might have felt when she first become involved with the occult group?

I don't believe so, because their manner of becoming involved with the group was almost certainly very different and that wouldn't add very much thematically when the theme of egotism is very prevalent.

>The women are not trapped there by force, with the exception of the girl in the costume store, who is a dependent, I would agree that that is exploitation. They can leave the city at any time and attempt a new life anywhere else, live in the woods, what is it in them that keeps them there, stuck in the occult?

Same as the first question, more or less, but what I'd ask in response to this is why Kubrick makes no attempt to draw any contrasts between the shop's daughter and other prostitutes of the film? Because it's one not worth creating as the difference is so minuscule that there is no point in doing so.

>I haven't seen the movie in a while, I don't remember there being much drugs with the exception of the girl who was ODing in the beginning, was she forced/tricked into to taking the drugs?

It's implied that she's a drug addict when Bill tells her she needs rehab.

>dat satanic trips
checked, you will not fool me merchant

During the scene where he is at the orgy, I was eating a bowl of cereal. We we only had soy milk so the cereal had a very think, strange taste. The strange taste of the cereal just made the scene seem more strange and I felt like I was at the orgy by eating this cereal. It was quite surreal.

Thank-you for the response, I'm downloading the film now. You've highlighted some really interesting details and given a reasonable and strong argument, I can't help but still feel in conflict with your views though, just my own ideas I suppose.

The language you use justifiably frames the prostitutes as exploited, something that'd cause a lot of people would then go on to pity them, do you think that was an intention of Kubrick?

I had a similar situation during the "ritual" scene right before the orgy kicked off. I was eating a Mama Cazzio's 3 meat pizza while burning some incense. That plus the haunting music and the backwards chanting put me in a trance, and I started tearing great gobs out of the pizza and stuffing them in my mouth, only to chew them sloppily,then let it all slowly ooze and drool out of my mouth again as I chanted along with the music and masturbated.

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I think Kubrick's intention was to make people explore their own relationships and whether they're on a firm foundation of love and mutual respect or a loose one of social propriety and obligation.

I'd say based on EWS that Kubrick is probably very sympathetic to prostitutes and wasn't a big believer in the argument that it's an empowering experience for women overall, which I'd agree with. Not that there aren't outliers, but that Kubrick doesn't mince words and offer any depictions of those outliers in the film as it's the bigger picture he's interested in exploring and prostitution itself isn't one of the bigger themes of the film.

>le sequencial numbers jew
this better be the satirical Cred Forums

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>tfw kubrick raped you

You're all wrong.

When Ziegler says, "What you saw there was all an act" (parphrasing), in a meta sense he's telling the truth, because the film is obviously an act by the actors. Everything, from the fake New York sets to the Wizard of Oz allusions have been alerting us to artifice, but Kubrick still manages to give us a real sense of danger in the mansion scene. So he's roped us in with tantalizing sex and well acted make believe, only to speak to us directly now through Ziegler. And what does he say? "Life goes on, until it doesn't"

Then Nicole Kidman balks at expressions of eternity, saying to not use such words because they frighten her

And then she suggests the most sensual, in the moment thing possible

It's about living for today because there might not be any tomorrow. It's an incredibly optimistic movie but not in a saccharine way

lmgtfy.com/?q=Frederic Raphael, who authored the Eyes Wide Shut script for Kubrick recalled that Kubrick once remarked that "Hitler was right about almost everything," and insisted that any trace of Jewishness be expunged from the "Eyes Wide Shut" script.

Stay mad.

>then let it all slowly ooze and drool out of my mouth again as I chanted along with the music and masturbated.
audible kek. great imagery

>studio's dime

Div.

This is literally my favourite Kubrick and I have no idea why. I'm sure Kubrick knew exactly what he was doing and there is A LOT under the hood there, but I just don't care, I love it because it's strangely atmospheric and comfy.

Kektastic!

The Schindlers List thing sounds the opposite of anti-Semitic to me. It sounds like he's saying the success was those who survived not the Holocaust itself. Raphael is probably a retard.