I TRIED SO HARD AND GOT SO FAR

Just think, when he loses, you'll probably have an entire Trump television network to latch onto and fill your head with conspiracy-tier nonsense all day.

>conspiracy-tier nonsense
Thank you for correcting the record. Fucking shoot yourself faggot

>american "politics"

kek. both candidates are horrible. you're getting what you deserve. hilarious.

Just saving your comment for the collage of butthurt Trumplets I'm making. Thanks!

That's right! Good thing we have Glorious Leader Hillary to redpill us on the Russians!

??

he even won the CNN focus group for the debate

>I was very very high while watching the debate.
I wasn't but fuck if I could tell the difference

>First debate
>Trumpsters agree he fucked up
>Second debate
>Trumpsters ignore it and make their echo chamber even louder, saying he's saving all his ammo for the final debate
>Final debate
>Trumpster depression setting in, readying themselves for an imaginary revolution

It's almost sad

>an entire Trump television network
with all the commercials in Russian and Chinese

Shut up, man, on the day Hillary is elected (Nov 8), Trump will come out and say that it was all a prank to get her elected and that he really doesn't care about America and thinks conspiracies are stupid and call us stupid.

He'll be right about Cred Forums being stupid.

>we need a candidate to compete with a memester's wife
>get a memester
They brought it upon themselves.

>It's almost sad
It's the future they chose, their daddy issues every 4 years are getting more and more pathetic

Kek

I would literally fap to this

What, is the word rapist filtered or something?

agree user, but it won't make up for the months and months of cancer they've spread to every other board and other sites. still plan on shitposting my heart out as trump gets historically BTFO and they try to whine about it being rigged

>he doesn't know
They will be spreading around the site after the election and there isn't anything left to shit post about
>and other sites.
oh lmao you're a tourist and you don't have to worry outside of fotm capeshit and got threads

>Trusting Luntz
>Ever

i couldn't make it to the end of that retarded debate.

so, which one of those puppets won?

>monica lewinsky
>raped
Hillary please quit thinking you could compete with that intern.

nah bud, I've been on this shithole long enough to remember when this site was liberal

Trump according to all the focus groups and exit polls but he fucked up by talking about abortion.

Trump improved but, it wasn't enough to turn the tides to his favor

>remember when this site was liberal
It was apolitical till it went mainstream. Only then did people stupid enough to buy into US politics start posting.

Her actual quote was abort Russian babies

>Monica was a victim of the patriarchy and can't make informed decisions because of it
Seems a bit contrary to Cred Forums's typical stance on things.

are you stupid?
trump got the everliving shit kicked out of him, AGAIN

>the Republicans have spent 30 years going after Hillary Clinton
>they have been waiting for the chance to finally get to run against her, after decades of making her look like the devil in the flesh
>they got 16 different candidates all lined up, each of them eager to finally sink their teeth into Hillary Clinton
>now a giant orange reality TV show host has usurped their primary, got nominated as their candidate, and is about to hand Hillary Clinton the election on a silver platter
>actual, serious GOP politicians have had their careers put into jeopardy by associating with Trump
>the GOP is likely to lose the Senate, and might even lose the House
>all because a thin-skinned man-baby got butthurt about getting clowned on by a sitting president during a White House Correspondent's Dinner

He was up by 1 in one poll before the debate. He's down by six to eleven in a dozen others.

Then why don't you see the flood thats about to come over this site?

Your retard candidate might start it considering his stance on muh rigged elections during the debate.

Online polls say Clinton for whatever they're worth.
>focus groups
Citation needed

>believing a meme started 4 years
>I've been here since the beginning brah

loling

I just thought that was the poster's implication. I really don't see how Bill is supposed to be a memester, so I just assumed he was talking about their sexual escapades.

theres a reason scum like you has a containment board

It's true.

awfully CTR in here

Really? I think abortion was one of his few strong moments, or rather, Hillary messed it up with the last day abortion talk. He was as lame as usual for the remainder of the debate. Every question he gets he answers the same way. Things are bad but he's going to make "tremendous" deals so it will all be great, and also Hillary is the worst. I can understand the frustration with the US political system and wanting to support and outsider, but the man can barely express coherent sentences for fucks sake.

he clowned himself

How manu will commit suicide if Hillary wins?

>he actually didn't try that hard

>18 people comprise the entirety of negative opinions about trump on the internet
what's it like to be mentally disabled? must be challenging

kill yourself

What more would we expect from a party that propped up Sarah Palin as a voice of reason? Not to mention the fact that she pretty much cost them the McCain election ahahahahahahahaaha.

they are just autists triggered by Cred Forums

Well?

This site was never liberal or conservative, it's contrarian

>the real life version of frank underwood is going to be president because of a 70 year old anti-vax businessman who thinks global warming is a conspiracy
We get the world we deserve

this.

not even american, but decided to check out this debate: man, it was embarrassing. and i used to tought local politicians were complete clowns.

Now that Trump has wrecked himself, will Cred Forums call HIM a CTR shill too?

>they got 16 different candidates all lined up, each of them eager to finally sink their teeth into Hillary Clinton
In all fairness, the only reason Trump got the nomination is because those 16 candidates were all terrible. Cruz or Carson would've probably fared just as badly as Trump.

Is that the plot of this year's south park? Because I've believed he's been running as a joke this whole time.

Drumpf has no chance of winning IT'S FUCKING OVER.

No it isn't.

IS THERE STILL HOPE TRUMP WILL WIN?

>muh arming rebels
>muh russia is evil
Why do people like Hillary?

I just think they are setting clinton up for success. Instead of getting people to say "i should have voted for trump" they are going to say "at least it isnt trump"

what does ctr even mean? i never browse Cred Forums

>believing the (((polls)))

She fucked up by referring to what many perceive as "baby murder" (which I suppose is fair) as """women's healthcare""". I'm pro-choice, but I absolutely hate the self-entitled way in which some women talk about abortion.

I'm not one to accuse other people of shilling, but a fucking week ago a lot of people on this site loved Trump. Now it switched sides. I get that down in the polls, but I literally see a 1 pro trump post for every 9 pro hillary posts. To me it just seems too fishy.

For most people, this election isn't about who you like, it's about who you hate more.

Correct the Record. It's the name of Hillary's online shill campaign.

Clinton has dumped millions of dollars into hiring shills to post pro-Clinton/anti-Trump material on various websites, including Cred Forums.

>"Hello? Oh, Hillary! What a nice surprise, I haven't heard from you in a while. How's Bill doing?"
>"So I heard you're going to be running for President next year. I know you lost when you were running back in 2008, but don't let that get you down! I know you'll make a great leader and I honestly cannot think of anyone more qualifi-"
>"What's that? You heard the GOP is planning on putting you up against some of their best politicians? Well I'm sure you can-"
>"...Wait, you're saying they have how much ammunition to use against you this coming election season? You're afraid they'll actually be able to win this time around?"

>"Hmm, that sounds pretty bad. If only you could practically be assured victory this time around. Maybe if your opponent were to act so terrible and downright idiotic that no one in their right mind would support them..."

>"...Say Hillary, you think the Republicans would ever nominate me for President?"

yeah Trump's already talking about rigged elections and not accepting defeat because he's totally winning

You'd be pissed if you were winning and got cheated out of it.

Trump's ramblings about abortion were embarrassing for anyone aware of how entirely factually incorrect the things he was saying were.

>the only reason Trump got the nomination is because those 16 candidates were all terrible

>the only reason Trump got the nomination is because the entire Republican party is actually a fucking joke

>Clinton has dumped millions of dollars into hiring shills to post pro-Clinton/anti-Trump material on various websites, including Cred Forums.
>citation needed

I keked, but if you honestly believe this, then I believe you're underestimating Trump's ego and simple mindedness.

Remember how it users to be that whenever a person disagreed with them they'd cry JIDF?
Its the new version of JIDF.
A highly organised overpaid conspiracy designed to counter Cred Forums. Because the idea someone just disagrees with them is too much for their little egos.

>Trump was planted by Clinton to destroy the Republican party from within!

Holy shit, if that's true, then Hillary is a fucking political genius

Truth. Based Evans confirms.

have you seen the various leaked commucai and what have you? They go to the ends of the earth to find supports for them.

People actually fall for Hillary's lies? I guess this is a rather naive board with a lot of young people who don't know what the Clintons did last time they were in office.

seriously that couple are the best candidates for the presidency that americans could find?

i can't even decide who was the worst, but both are objectivecty terrible.

>I'm not one to accuse other people of shilling
So you're a retard?

google it yourself lazy faggot

Correct the Record is the name of the PAC, they have a team of online shitposters

Does it really matter who is president though? Obama has shown senate runs things and all president really does is abuse the executive order if enough people cause a fuss.

>what the Clintons did last time they were in office
Improved the economy? Made Newt Gingrich super butthurt?

Underrated post

do or die time, voting day is coming soon

>People actually fall for Trump's lies? I guess they're about as easily-manipulated as any cult.

try harder faggot
trump will win

They don't care to actually think about politics for more than two seconds so when Trump says something off color, it's obvious to them that's Clinton is the better choice.

what is this pic supposed to prove

NO MORE PAIN

NO MORE SUFFERING

ONLY DEATH

Balance the budget?

That one of their cult members has the same name as the Great Leader.

adding this to my collage!

jesus christ it's like you're reading from a script

look at bill's work on mortgage practices in the us if you're actually interested in real issues

How many people from Cred Forums do you reckon will kill themselves when Hilldawg wins by a landslide? Besides of you, I mean

Was thinking the same thing,like the ceo of Roswell Park Cancer Institute is a guy named Donald Trump

Kek. Regardless of who wins, there will be a massive amount of epic collages after the election.

that was the republican congress

i don't even care about parties you're retarded if you think the clintons are anything other than corrupt career politicians. they're redneck hicks, the worst embodiment of a stereotype, who conned their way from their trash background into riches by ripping of people through the government. they're the political version of the beverly hillbillies.

if you're a liberal you probably respect christopher hitchens you can look up what he wrote and said about the clinton family.

>this delusion

I hope all and i hope that Hiroshima would pick a page from Moot's book and put cuckporn audiobooks to play on Cred Forums for at least a week.

i feel kinda flattered that somebody decided to invest real money making guerrilla marketing on this humble board.

shame they only could paid for the cheapest, more retarded shills, tho.

Because people who support the winner of the debate (Hillary) will always be more smug and active with their posts. If Trump had one, this thread would be full of BASED TRUMP and MAGA posts.

youtube.com/watch?v=qE8PG2mpo58

obama has had his way on foreign policy and has had complete political control of the justice department if you think that hasn't had an impact you aren't paying attention

Yeah, how dare these women think they're entitled to their own bodies?

Trump didn't fuck up as bad as his first debate, but he didn't really do that good either. When they started talking about debt, foreign policy, abortion, and the groping thing he floundered. He made a big mistake doubting the election results even though Pence and Ivanka would accept them. His closing answer wasn't very good either and came off as fear mongering when the moderator was obviously doing this to give him a chance to be positive.

Hillary for the most part was generically competent, except when she deflected with the Wikileaks question to start talking about the Russians, that came completely out of the left field and derailed the entire conversation.

Bill's mandate was one of the best of american history, economic, political and socially wise. Compared to Raegan or Bush I or II, he was great

>what many perceive as "baby murder" (which I suppose is fair)

Gee I wonder why conservatives struggle with the woman's vote

Focus groups and many twitter polls say trump won by a huge margin.

Hillary winning is fine with me. She can enact her no fly zone and plunge this world into nuclear fire. It is about time as well.

>everyone that disagrees with me is a shill

trapping yourself in an echo chamber will make you think that way

If Trump loses this post basically points out the biggest tragedy of this mess.

I still think he can win simply because of how unpredictable his rise has been. This whole election has been so absurd it's like "why not?"

Implying anyone in this country deserves to have a real (non service industry, non minumum wage) job if they vote in pro NAFTA/TPP/H1B politicians for the third time in a row

I will never feel bad for people shooting themselves in the foot repeatedly.

This post, this is a very bad post. I know many anons, MANY, anons that will agree with me. It's just not a very good post. Listen, when I say this is a bad post, I mean it's a bad post. It's a shit post, really. But you see, we're going to bring back mods. We're going to stop them from going to Cred Forums and Cred Forums, and we're going to bring them back and the shit posting will stop. It will stop.

>twitter polls

oh shit, you mean polls shared by trump supporters to other trump supporters? gee, i wonder why he did well in those?

It was Trump's worst performance yet.

today.yougov.com/news/2016/10/19/post-debate-poll/

is that what they're teaching in high school now? no one believes that, the clintons have a horrible reputation.

how dare these people say murder is illegal even if it inconveniences a woman

>entitled to their own bodies
>their own bodies
>own bodies
Do you not see how inaccurate this is?

I never thought I would say this but, kind of feel sorry for Cred Forums, but hey, they were doomed since the beginning of the race with that joke tier candidate.

>If Trump loses this post basically points out the biggest tragedy of this mess.

What tragedy? The Republican party's "Southern Strategy" coming back to bite them on the ass is karmic and hilarious

Yes, user, Trump thinking that abortions are performed at 9 months was a strong point. Stunning, absolutely stunning.

the way i see it is that with hillary were just getting more of the same, a crooked politician with enough good done to not seem fishy. its a bye-week for the presidency. just holding off until the next election.
with trump wed be getting a goddamn moron who thinks making terrific deals and the element of surprise will fix everything
its the lesser of two evils

CNN focus groups?

Also I'm not talking about the @trump_america2942 twitter accounts. Major news organizations and famous "journalist"

If Clinton was so great wouldn't her supporters share those very same polls? Well unless she has way less.

>puppets
Hillary called trump a russian puppet

>enough good done
she hasn't accomplished anything. she and bill are frauds. if you think that is a net neutral, she's just a regular crooked politician i disagree.

>Be Hillary Clinton
>Know that this might be your last chance to run for president
>Know that the GOP is going to attack you relentlessly once you become the nominee
>Know that even if you do win, you'll still have to deal with the Republicans already in the white house
>Call up your good friend Donald Trump
>Convince him to run for president for the Republican party, mostly by reminding him of how much money and brand recognition he can get from donations and selling merchandise
>At first Republicans love him because of his "tell it how it is" attitude and all the young voters he's attracting
>Eventually Trump begins to appeal to the GOP's anger and fear of non-whites, bringing out their darker side
>The GOP becomes split down the middle, with half of the party trying to stop Trump and the other half worshipping him like a literal God
>Trump eventually wins the nomination, and the GOP is severed in half as a result
>With the election coming up, Trump continues to promise he's going to destroy you by exposing your lies, while the GOP starts to get angrier and more desperate
>Finally the debates arrive, and you manage to completely destroy Trump and make him look like a fool
>Millions of undecided voters and Republicans start to realize how insane Trump actually is
>As his numbers plummet, his cult grows more dangerous and unhinged, giving you an excuse to push for more gun control
>You win by a landslide
>The GOP never recovers, and they're now a laughingstock for endorsing Trump
>In a bid to save face, many Republicans now back you so they can salvage their political reputation and try to get rid of the "GOP is full of racist whites" stereotype
>Meanwhile, your good friend Donald Trump is sitting in his tower on top of all the money he's scammed out of his followers, quite literally laughing all the way to the bank
>As you sit in the oval office, triumphant, you can't help but feel giddy as you plan out the next 8 years of being Madame President

the irony

>Said the paid Palmer Luckey memester.

>8
She strokes out in 2 and Kaine takes over.

Tim Kaine is based as fuck so no complaints here

Lol im not saying im a fan, but compared to trump shes the easy choice. Ill choose a corrupt politician over a lying sociopath moron anytime. Calling the clintons redneck hicks is pretty funny considering who is actually voting for trump.

>how dare these people say murder is illegal even if it inconveniences a woman
>murder

Man, this is such a complicated topic in regards to philosophy and religion.

My personal stance is that mother should be able to abort the baby up till the last day of the pregnancy for any health complications (such as the mother will die if she goes thru labor or the baby has AIDS or some down syndrome) or just because she changed her mind and thinks she can't take care of it.

I'd rather have an unwanted baby aborted rather than be born and live a shitty life in foster care or with poor parents and become dependent on government welfare.

this.

why everytime somebody mentions shills, the hillary supporters get offended?

couldn't be theoretically Trump shills too?

what's funny is you don't understand the point. the clinton's aren't corrupt politicians, they aren't even politicians, they don't do any work other than whatever they can to make money for themselves at the expense of regular people who actually work. if you think trump is a lying sociopath, which i'm not sure where you get your definition from, you would have to think hillary and bill are equally bad.

unless, and this is probably what i was right in assuming, you know relatively little about the clintion's history of taking advantage of public trust for personal gain and inflicting damage on individual people.

>we are pretty much owned by corporations
>the madam president will completely sell us out to foreign investors
>will disarm and spread misinformation

It was supposed to be a fictional story, not am instruction manual...

>murder
Stop using words you don't understand.

Nah. Then it will be another congress runs the shitshow for the rest of the term.

>My personal stance is that mother should be able to abort the baby up till the last day of the pregnancy for any health complications (such as the mother will die if she goes thru labor
that isn't impacted by abortion policy

by medical practice a doctor will save the life of the mother if it is at risk at the expense of the child. that's basic medicine 101, not subject to abortion law.

Abortion has in practice become an universal women healthcare issue in the US due to the Republican party doing all it can to screw Planned Parenthood with arbitrary regulations and obstructions that force places like Planned Parenthood to shut down, in practice reducing places where you can get abortion to a handful in the entire state, while also cutting down on other health services these places provided like breast cancer screenings, etc.

murder is the intentional killing of another human

>you're retarded if you think the clintons are anything other than corrupt career politicians
>the clinton's aren't corrupt politicians, they aren't even politicians

Guess you're retarded.

It's really not all that complicated. Facts say humans won't even have the cognitive capacity of a dog/cow till around 18 months. Emotions say life begins at conception.

Obviously there's no such thing as Trump shills because he's /ourguy/.

>I HAVE THE BEST POLLS
>IM WINNING IN MY POLLS

what a delusional faggot

What's funny to me is that the retard millennials who support Hillary are going to be the ones who suffer the most from her bullshit. Hell I'm pretty old, I'm buying a plot of land and I'll just retire in a couple of years and ignore whatever bullshit new laws they pass and stay there.

Millennials are FUCKED. They are going to be locked in debt slavery. They aren't going to be able to buy shit. They're going to live in complete crapholes surrounded by violent crime. They'll be subject to police searches just randomly walking around. They'll be unable to own guns to protect themselves, but the criminals will have TONS of them. Their girlfriends/wives/mothers will be sexually assaulted regularly by stank ass immigrants and niggers.

You know what? They deserve it. Every time one of these fags posts some stupid shit laughing hillary image gloating because they voted themselves and the country into complete shit, just remember what they're voting themselves into and relax because they're going to reap exactly what they deserve to get.

If you're young and not a hillary voter, well hell. . . sorry.

you killing a baby because you are lazy or had regrets is not my financial responsibility nor should it even be legal in the first place. the definition of murder isn't changed by your mood swings.

i was trying to simplify the point it went over your head the first few times and continues to.

Should we be aborting 1 year old babies too?

Pigs are regarded as being as smart as a 3 year old, since we can eat pigs can we abort 3 year olds?

I'm not arguing for or against anything, just saying that it's a ridiculous to bring their level of intelligence into things.

>hillary and bill are equally bad

agree. everyone that says one of the current candidates, or ANY former president was "good" is nothing but a retard. or a shill

And this is where liberals shoot themselves in the foot. Let's call a spade a spade: when you're taking a life (the crime of deliberately killing a person), this is essentially murder. So fuck it, if that's what it is, don't apologize for it because people want to appeal to emotion and call it "baby murder". The fact is, outlawing abortion would only increase suffering in the world, and unless you're a delusional Christfag who thinks humans are more intrinsically valuable than the 3.5 billion animals who endure unimaginable horrors for our consumption every year, you shouldn't support it.

Livia Augusta from I, Claudius tier evil, I love her.

clinton doesn't have any bullshit. shes just the culmination of citizens united. As is trump.

It really doesn't matter who you vote for.

Fuck fetuses

>browse Cred Forums
>argue about abortion

Yeah, let's just punish the mother AND the baby instead of trying to improve our society. Fuck that whore and toddler, they should live in a dump.

You can't kill something that isn't alive.

I agree, but I think she could have addressed abortion a bit more delicately and not put it under the unbrella of women's health, that's all.

>I can pardon wickedness in a leader, but not weakness

It's clear who the stronger candidate is.

next they'll be arguing about religion.

what happened to Cred Forums?

You people realize that the vast majority of abortions are

yeah it probably hurts milenial retards the most, they are unlikely to have any skills or real life abilities to support themselves on and will be forced to enjoy their governemnt decided lifestyle

One wants to legalize another 30 million mexican which will encourage MORE to flood over the border. She will then want you dumbshit millennials to support their health care and education costs while they fuck up both systems.

The other doesn't. So yeah Hillary has bullshit.

fuck off retard

we should punish mothers who murder their unborn children.

little bitch

Did you know that at least 60% of illegal immigration are people who stay here on expired work or tourist visas? This is why Trump's wall thing is so stupid because it'll be a huge waste of money that doesn't address the real problem.

>these posts
I'm glad the butthurt has already started. Better start learning Spanish Joh-err I mean Jose.

>call it "baby murder"

Or just call it abortion, because that's the word we have for it and it has a different connotation.

We have different words for different but similar things to because of this concept called "nuance". I know it's hard for conservatives to understand something that isn't grossly oversimplified.

Kek

criminalizing immigration marginalizes immigrants, putting them entirely in the power of people who profit off illegal immigrants.

You really have an under-developed sense of empathy. Try imagining if you were a woman, and you became pregnant accidentally. Think about the worst possible time in your life: would you be willing to raise a child in that circumstance, without the resources to care for both yourself and the baby? Would you put your entire life on hold? And even if you decided to keep the baby, would you really want to have that choice denied to you entirely; the choice to do with your own body as you will for the next 9 months and beyond?

they're polling with a 60% sample that voted for Obama in 2012. Obama only won by like 4%. People caught onto that now, so they're going for other demos.
Blacks are also much less likely to come out for Hillary, and they are overestimating their turnout in every poll by basing it off of Obama's turnout in 2008. Also every poll is underestimating non college educated white males.

Basically, complete bullshit, just look at the polling data

Everything you're saying about the clintons is how I feel about trump. Why you think he's a better choice is beyond me. The crazy thing is he could've had this in the bag if he just kept his mouth shut for one sec or god forbid formed some policy decisions. Hilary is a real politician despite what you say, Trump is going to lose by a historic margin and it's all his own fault.

>call it by the word i choose which fits my needs and not yours or i'll say you're stupid

great argument technique

she fucked, she concieved the thing, but it doesn't have a registered name yet, it's just a thing inside her, that is literally PART of her for 9 months, she decides if she should wants to get rid of it or not, not nor retarded orange faggot

who? trump? his strength is like that retard strength

idk why people here are so against abortion when most of you lack basic human empathy, I mean its illogical, you hate niggers spics and white trash but you don't want them to abort their mistakes, instead birth them and throw them out into a world that doesn't want them?

>became pregnant accidentally.
how's that work?

you fucked someone and realized you didn't want the kid so you should be able to murder it?

the only way hillary is still hanging on is because of the blatant media collusion and pollstering

>Should we be aborting 1 year old babies too?

Like I said. Sure. Why not?

If you're fine with eating meat then abortion should just be another source of meat.

>what happened to Cred Forums
It's mostly a home base for many anons (myself included), and people give up on discussing /film/ and Cred Forums when unique threads about more high-brow films are ignored, while capeshit/meme/Hansen/etc. threads are the only ones that seem to receive much attention.

as opposed to having a child that will 99% of case have a bad life?

they're just being contrarian. They don't mean shit about what they say at first, but they repeat it so much they end up believing it for real or drawing people here that believe it for real. This site originally wasn't even conservative really, it's just that being contrarian to reddit and the rest of the internet aligned with the ideals of extreme retarded Republicans and Poe's Law happened

a baby isn't a thing in your body, it's a baby. if women want abortion to be legal they should let men decide if they want to abort the baby for her, they would instantly not give a fuck about their so called abortion rights.

Sure. Why not?

>lets call pigeons "evolved dinosaurs" instead because dinosaurs are scarier and I have an anti-pigeon agenda

Look man, you gotta prepare yourself for a president Hilary. Whatever you may think about the media, Trump is going to have the votes from women or latinos like she is. That alone is enough to put him down, you don't need to read polls to understand that. It was a good run, unprecedented, historic, but its over.

>unique threads about more high-brow films
If you've been here longer than a month, you've already discussed everything a hundred times.

But if you think in terms of "home boards" you're cancer anyway

Abortion is already legal dingus

>it's just satire
no, i really think abortion should be illegal. if you're retarded enough to get pregnant you should have to deal with the consequence.

why would it have a bad life? is the mother going to be shit also and not raise the kids right?

>is the mother going to be shit also and not raise the kids right?

yes

it's not a baby, it's a fucking fetus. It doesn't even eat or drink, it lives off HER food like a parasite. She decides if she wants to give the thing the privilege of life or not. Not you. Whether it's morally ok or not is absolutely none of your business.

well baby murder is an accurate term not sure if evolved pigeons is useful

>is the mother going to be shit also and not raise the kids right?

To put it in your terms, how would a person who considered murdering the kid be a good mother?

No, abortion is an accurate term.

If you're implying that you think I'M a conservative, then it's ironic that you'd criticize them for their lack of an ability to decipher nuance.

>or just call it abortion
>it's hard for conservatives to understand anything that's not oversimplified
Wew

For the record, I would almost consider myself an anti-natalist, but fuck me, you're a simpleton.

I follow the laws of God not the laws of Obama (a.k.a. the Anti-Christ)

did you read my comment or is your attention span that short? Do you know what Poe's Law is? Are you one of the new retards that ruined this site?

wew "babies are parasites"

you're pure evil.

>you killing a baby because you are lazy or had regrets is not my financial responsibility

What if she was raped and is forced to carry a rape baby to term? Or if the pregnancy is literally life-threatening to both her and the baby? Or there's something wrong with the baby genetically, so seriously that it would only be born to live a harsh, difficult and limited life span, that would put the entire family into huge financial burden and debt because they couldn't terminate? Or if the woman is fifteen and now has her entire life ruined because schools don't teach safe sex properly so she didn't know better?

Just because some people may perform abortions for the wrong reasons doesn't mean everybody should be stopped from doing an abortion, especially when you do not fucking solve anything with it, you just put more people in risk because people have always done abortions, now they just have to throw themselves down the stairs, take pills or see a dangerous coat hanger holding back door doctor.

Well, the important thing is even when you're wrong, you found a way to feel superior.

>Are you one of the new retards that ruined this site?

of course he is, 16 year olds that think they're redpilled because le Cred Forums

>if you think in terms of "home boards" you're cancer
Why's that?

Yet Republicans are trying their hardest to make sure women can't get abortion with:

>unnecessary abortion clinic building regulations such as having a wider hallway, which put lot of clinics out of business
>forcing women to watch their fetuses through a sonogram and telling them it has feelings
>scaring women with bullshit that abortion will ruin their uterus and they might not be able to have a child again
>lying that women can get support for their babies

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What the fuck is CTR doing on this board? Where's your supervisor?

not all abortion is murder, but elective abortion is always murder

"board culture" was what the cancer started calling itself when it became more-prolific than non-cancer. Home boards were a part of that.

trump got blasted and looked like a petulant child the entire time basically. The abortion thing was his strongest part but even then he was just trying to win back some of the evangelical votes. Once he said he would keep us in suspense over whether or not he accepts the results of the election (a fancy way of saying I'm going to throw a bitch fit if I don't win) it was all down hill from there.

>have your own containment board for you to play armchair poli sci pro
>shit up another board instead because the mods and janitors like faglord refuse to do their job, and actively enjoy the decay of the board

It's more cruel to let an unwanted baby to be born with terrible circumstances and let him suffer and be a drain on society.

Oh... and why am I wrong again?

>how's that work?
Oh, my sweet summer child.

>condoms can break
>condoms can fail, even without breaking
>contraception can fail
>can make an honest mistake and forget contraception
>going bare, man can fail to pull out
>man can literally just lie and say he's had a vasectomy/is sterile
>and, of course, one can simply get drunk and forgot to employ any sort of contraception whatsoever
Yes, it is very much possible, and quite frequent. That's why we humans are so populous.

Thanks for correcting the record.

>how would a person who considered murdering the kid be a good mother?
maybe not be a piece of shit for once in their life? is responsibility too much to expect of people in 2016?

what's funny is all these pro abortion retards have no clue that abortion usually leads to depression but go ahead and promote it as if they're helping women

Then charge them with murder and send them to prison.

Oh wait, you can't. Because it's not murder, it's abortion.

mods and janis are asleep right now

same shit every day.

Did you know that childbirth also leads to depression?

any pregnancy that is life threatening is aborted according to basic medical ethics. this isn't relevant

Haha, this is the dumbest thing I've read today.

>WE MUST BE VIGILITANT BECAUSE PUTIN IS TRYING TO RIG OUR ELECTIONS
>DONALD IS A PARANOID CONSPIRACY THEORIST FOR SUGGESTING OUR ELECTIONS MIGHT BE RIGGED. PLEASE IGNORE THE FACT THAT I RIGGED THE PRIMARY AGAINST BERNIE AND THERES VIDEO OF DNC OPERATIVES PLANNING VOTER FRAUD

>babies are not parasites
>babies
what part of "fetus" do you not understand? Are you so selfish that you would rather have both the mother and her child live a miserable life instead of allow her to interrupt the fetus' process of becoming human and living a sad life, all because of YOUR OWN PERSONAL morals? Which have NOTHING to do with her? Maybe you're just underage and don't understand what it means to be a parent. Or maybe you're just pure evil.

We're talking about a hypothetical person who was willing to commit, as you deem it, "murder" to evade responsibility.

How would this person be a good mother?

Well, I enjoy talking about films more than anything because it encompasses such a wide range of subjects. And I also find that, as far as Cred Forums goes, Cred Forums is essentially the skinniest kid at fat camp.

But your point about "being here for a month" = "you've discussed everything". That's ridiculous.

Everything leads to depression. Its called being alive.

>i'm naive
>doesn't know sex causes babies

i know a lot of people that are poor that aren't drains on society. ritual acceptance of murder is worse for society.

>have no clue that abortion usually leads to depression but go ahead and promote it as if they're helping women

And what does having a child that you they don't want, or can't afford, or have no help raising do to women? Make them feel hunky dory?

But I thought every life was sacred, user.

CTR shills really in this thread!

you'd be pissed too if you basically talked yourself out of an election 11 years ago and continue doing so by lying and bashing the entire democratic process

what is this fabled CTR I keep reading about

> le political rivalry mey mey xD

> thinking these puppets have any influence or control

> not knowing youre going to be microchipped and sold to the corporations

Kek

What happened to JIDF?

kek this, i'd rather sluts and terrible people abort their kids so we don't have to deal with their offspring

it's not them dealing with the consequences, it's all of us. those black women raising 7 babies are being funded by our taxes.

please be baiting, please be baiting, please be baiting.

We need a new chan or a way to lure you into some other site. Now. This site is turning into a place for normies but not even the "cool kids". The rednecks and the old sacks of shit

It was slight hyperbole.

Besides, it only takes a month to realize no one is really interested in discussing anything. May it be because there is really nothing to discuss (as you either get it or you're retarded) or they're retarded.

even a newly growing human is a human

>black women
It's mostly white women who take our tax dollars

Oh, so the solution is to just never have sex. It seems apparent that you've employed that strategy to great effect in your own life. Well, glad we solved this issue, let's put out the word, the solution to abortion is to just not have sex. Great.

haha so letting her murder her child is a good solution to you. if faggots like you weren't around she would have to give it up for adoption or raise it.

"Correct The Record" a group funded by the DNC to spread pro Hillary propaganda. Some user dumped the names yesterday, but I forgot to save it. They mostly work out of DC in a dark room. Essentially, they get paid to shitpost.

>everything is human because I have an agenda based in emotion, rather than fact

yea okay that's nice hun

so the US version of kremlin bots?

how the fuck do I score a job like this, I'm here all day and have browsed this shithole for 10 years

So, you are saying, in your mind, a woman who was more than willing to "murder her kid" would be a great mother.

i don't give a fuck how sad they are, they shouldn't fuck around if they don't want a kid to feed. it's not my problem.

don't be a whore and you won't get pregnant when you didn't want to. it's soooooo hard not being a slut my heavens.

Obama was literally 12 years old when the Supreme Court made abortion legal, but it's still his fault

No it's not. It's a fetus. And if a woman doesn't want to take care of it when it turns into a human, she can give the few living cells in it a quick death before it's too late and it turns into a sad, unwanted, miserable life.

yeah she should be forced to be a good mother or have her kids taken away.

>Americans will vote a warmongering criminal as their pres because MAH VAGINA.

Jesus Christ

Word to the wise, user: Refine your talking points and try to apply a bit more scrutiny to your philosophy, as it's a bit underdeveloped.
Note: I'm technically on your side.

Not user, btw.

>It's not my problem
It's also not your fucking problem if she doesn't want it. If she wants to throw it in the trash while it's still part of her, she can, wether it hurts your imaginary friend or not. Fuck off.

>legalize abortion
>13 years later there's a significant dropoff in juvenile offenses
>18 years later there's a significant dropoff in general crime

completely unrelated of course

even if i use your terminology, a fetus describes a stage of development of a human being

fetus isn't a species, it's a human fetus

He's going to win.

It's a pretty asinine assumption that anyone who has sex is a whore by definition. You realize that accidental pregnancies can occur in monogamous relationships, right? Or are you so embittered that you've forgotten that people who love each other tend to have sex?

... that's like threatening to kick a kid out of school for acting up because they don't want to be in school.

Or like threatening to kick a convict out of jail if they don't behave themselves. in jail.

trump is all about bringing jobs and people back into america and "making it great again."

hillary is interventionist who is personally responsible for Libya and plans to do the same in Syria. What is your criteria for war mongering, and why does your handler let you use the computer

actually it is my problem. murder is a crime against society and it is up to greater society to punish for it. stupid fuck.

yeah, because rapes and accidents don't happen. You're just obviously a hateful asshole who wants to shit on women as much as you can because you know you'll die a virgin.

Whenever I see men get stuck with kids they don't want, they're always told they should have kept it in their pants. Maybe these women who get pregnant should have also kept their legs shut.

Thank you Correcting the Record

0 cents have been deposited into your account.

Hillary was slaughtered.

Goodnight sweet princess.

or trumps doing nothing but lying and just wants to push some shit through congress cheaper than it would cost were he not president

>It's a pretty asinine assumption that anyone who has sex is a whore by definition
i didn't say that. i said anyone who gets pregnant unwantedly or 'surprisedly' is a whore

stay away from analogies if you cant make sense. if a mother is a bad mother she can have her children taken. that does not give her the right to murder her child.

>the trump meme ends in under a month

how are you lads going to celebrate? i'm going to get a girl pregnant and then get it aborted because you can do that under hilary

I like Trump!
I like Cred Forums!

There are actually other reasons believe it or not. White liberal college students are voting for Clinton because "fuck Drumpf" and "muh vagina". Latinos are voting democrat because they hate Trump for insulting them and don't want to see illegal relatives deported. Blacks are voting democrat for gibsmedat and because all white men are racist according to them. Asians are voting democrat because it's some sort of tradition for them now I guess, since they've been voting overwhelmingly left for a while for no real reason. They might have gotten butthurt at Trump going against China though.

Trump shills don't get paid so how can they actually be shills? They get free Pepe's from Trumps son and go wild.

"accidents"

haha give me an example of an accidental pregnancy.

>i fell out of bed and it was raining semen

Yup, just tell human beings to not have sex. That will definitely work. It's not like there's literally seven fucking billion of us.

You are seriously fucking retarded.

>They think they have any control.

... why would a mother, who didn't want the kid at all, care about it being taken away and put into a worse situation?

a stage at which it's still not intelligent enough to be considered conscious. A stage at which the thing is still part of the woman. Depending on how early the abortion is, it's just a piece of meat with live cells who aren't even part of the world yet. The woman decides wether she will allow it to grow and develop into a baby or not. You don't get to decide that. It's not yours. It's not inside you eating from everything you eat. It's a parasite she may voluntarily decide to take care of, or not.

Maybe you whore should've kept your legs crossed and say no

dumb bitch

all studies show that abstinence only works!

what is the war on drugs and militarization of police

why would a mother, who didn't want the kid at all, care about it being taken away and put into a worse situation at taxpayers' expense?

Not as retarded as the people I see pushing this argument for real, but it's an easy way to avoid addressing the issue of men having no reproductive rights
>lol just keep it in ur pants

the fuck are you talking about? if abortion was punished she would not want to get sent to jail. if the child gets taken away and given to an adoption family after its born she can fuck off i don't care as long as she isn't allowed to kill it.

it's not murder. You're probably the type who feels no remorse in hunting animals for fun. Fucking retard. Get the fuck off this site. This isn't the place for Christian assholes like you. We rely on facts, not emotion. If science and the law determined it is not murder, then it's not. You don't know better than any biologist or lawyer.

>tfw there are actually posters on Cred Forums that aren't just Cred Forums surrogates

This is a surprise desu

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So you're saying, straight up, you're fine dooming kids to fates worse than death just as long as they aren't "murdered" before they pass through a vagina.

Do you really think that illegal immigration is as prevalent and as abhorrent as you make it out to be? Please tell me about the time in your life where you were denied an opportunity because of an illegal immigrant.

>abortion is murder

Manslaughter at best

>Do you really think that illegal immigration is as prevalent and as abhorrent as you make it out to be?

Reminder that the elite laughs at every single retard defending (legal) immigration.

>anyone who gets pregnant unwantedly or surprisedly is a whore
>angel/whore dichotomy
This is a rather old-fashioned and simple-minded perspective.

>the right to murder a child
"Rights" are illusory

You should consider the fact that there are already over 1,000,000 children in the world who don't have anyone to love and take care of them. Why not shift your focus to them? Or are you just a Christian who thinks human life is sacred?

If an unskilled illegal immigrant is taking your job, you should try not being a worthless piece of shit and getting some marketable skills.

Still our board though Reddit.

Funny how you completely ignored the rape factor. But here:
>My boyfriend couldn't take it and came inside me instead of pulling out
>I was stressed and forgot the pill
>The condom broke
All plausible reasons for an accident. But what would you know, you've never seen a pussy in your life. No wonder you had to ask for examples.

>If science and the law determined it is not murder, then it's not. You don't know better than any biologist or lawyer.

law is derived from social moral norms so i'm not sure where you're going with this. science is a way of observing natural phenomena not ethics.

thank you master for putting me down i hope you feel better now

>our
Get the fuck out.

>calling other people reddit when posting r/the_donald mememan

What are you even saying family?

>law is derived from social moral norms
It really isn't.

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Wtf?

abortion in particular became acceptable when science allowed it to be.

no. adoption isn't worse than death. since we're talking practicalities do you condone murder for convenience?

>law is derived from social moral norms

wot

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>are you just a Christian who thinks human life is sacred?
how ghastly!

so did mass murder. do you support nuclear bombing and genocide?

Best day of my life

bigly

Nuclear bombing the USA sounds great famalalamzoid.

the vast majority of kids are not adopted and are raised by the state. Being raised by the state is a fate worse than death.

Is there something I can help you with, user? You're a little late to the party, but I'd be glad to assist you in any way I can.

codification of social norms. did you think lawyers had some magic formula to find out what the laws are?

At this point, yes. For eugenics will start with You.

>how ghastly
Not at all what I was implying, it's just that I think your depth of contemplation is rather shallow.

are you gay?

there's a waiting list to adopt

even so murder is not an acceptable solution

Fuck off CTR

lawyers don't make law, son.

You know once they're laws they're ((in legal argumentation) detached from such moralistic arguments you might bring up in an ethics class, or otherwise they wouldn't hold a special position among norms (social, law, ethical, etc)

thinking humans have innate dignity regardless of their background is shallow i guess you're right i'll become a secular statist immediately

and i'm sure that will make me much happier too lol

Cred Forums is spooked as fuck, anyone with the least understanding of politics knew that Trump was finished from the onset, so much for them being "redpilled"

in some cases yes. If the person is unconscious and has no chance of improvement, pull the plug.
If the woman doesn't want the fetus and such fetus has no chance of living a happy life when it becomes conscious, get rid of it before it's too late. Abort.
Mass murder is illegal dumbfuck. A nuclear bomb is a military weapon. War =/= society. Genocide is also illegal. We're talking about women's decision to abort or not, a situation in which the obviously morally and reasonably correct answer is yes, they should get to decide what to do with their bodies.

>there's a waiting list to adopt
Not because there aren't enough kids to adopt. But because there aren't enough blonde haired blue eyed white newborn babies to adopt.

No one wants the black/brown/yellow/red-headed kids.

They actually do in my country, most of the people in the process of actual defining and refining said laws are lawyers and they consult professors and exports of the area if they need to.

HILLARY LOST ON CNN DEBATE POLLS

CROOKED WHORE IS FINISHED

YOUR JOB IS FINISHED, YOU'RE FREE

>innate dignity
You'd have to ignore a immense amount of suffering and man's inhumanity to man to actually believe that.

You serious?

Well, we aren't talking about shitholes here.

You misunderstand. Only white males are human.

i think you misunderstood.

i didn't say mankind is innately dignified i said individuals have innate dignity. they can sacrifice that and most do but that isn't the point

so did the whole thread go suddenly quiet or is everyone smashing their keyboards right now

> Asians are voting democrat because it's some sort of tradition for them now I guess, since they've been voting overwhelmingly left for a while for no real reason.

Really, east asians should have been voting republican for a while now. The problem is, no matter how much democrats push for big government and raising the minimum wage, they don't pin racial minorities against one another like the Republicans do. They all saw how much racist shit Obama took when he got into office, and they know they aren't honorary whites. It's not that hard to understand

I'm just trying to guesstimate when the world war 3 starts once Hitlery is elected

>le rape meme

Look if a guy rapes and impregnates you then you should still carry the baby to term darling. Why?

He proved himself a strong alpha male by overpowering you and claiming you. You should be grateful that your offspring are going to benefit from those advantages.

Just like in nature only the strong males should be allowed to breed.

Murder is a crime that can only be committed against a person, by another person. Thus, for abortion to be murder, one must consider a fetus to be a person.

A person can be defined by one of three ways, depending on one's philosophical stance: by the substance (Body), consciousness (Mind), or some other ethereal quality (Soul).

Since we're hopefully not complete fucking morons, we can throw out that third one. If one chooses to define it by the first one, substance, then it raises a number of implications. If the mere presence of human DNA is deciding factor for personhood, then exfoliation becomes immoral, as does ejaculation and menstruation. Since that is clearly rather absurd, I personally would discard this definition. You might not, in which case you better not masturbate, or else you're literally Pol Pot.

Okay, final one, consciousness/mind: this doesn't develop in the fetus in any way whatsoever until after birth. But, 6 months is where the fetus could possibly begin to survive outside the womb, and develop into a sapient human. This is why the cut-off point for elective abortions is considered the end of the second trimester. This is the definition most rational people implicitly accept.

The more you know.

Pretty good

>individuals have innate dignity
Again, this would be a matter of perspective, and a dubious one at that. It simply depends on the individual's perceived merit, and the capacity and willingness of the individual(s) to respect the each other.