Anyway, so Musicbrainz Picard is great for tagging classical music consistently. Does anyone have a good file name template for classical music they could recommend??
Noah Jackson
Major key music is objectively better than minor key music. Discuss.
Kayden Watson
How can you discuss facts? Only Thovenplebs would try and argue otherwise.
Eli Foster
Even Beethoven's major music is better. Take the Waldstein, for example.
Major music can convey intense happiness and joyfulness not found in minor music, while also having the possibility to convey serenity, melancholy, spirituality and also the intense longing and sadness found in minor keys, just with more subtlety and tact.
Dylan Lee
Final movement of Waldstein is sooo good
Leo Price
dont like the way his fingers hit the keys
Tyler Bell
Hey, quick question. Can you actually write a 12 tone fugue. Isn't the point to not repeat anything but you'd have to repeat the subject for it to be a fugue. Or am I the nigger in this situation
Kayden Edwards
Beethoven is Romantic
Jayden Peterson
>Beethoven is either a 100% romantic or classical composer >periods don't overlap
Jose Martinez
t this song sad so romantic
Grayson Lewis
>what is the evolution from empfindsam style to early romanticism >what is Sturm und Drang >what is proto-Romanticism
Michael Wright
12 tone sucks
Xavier Sanders
music sucks
Carson Morales
t Implying proto-anything is that
Jordan King
Where do I start with Scriabin. Apart from his sonatas, and preferably piano stuff unless its good
Andrew Ward
>Scriabin Do a 360 and walk away.
Justin Morales
no because I like his 5th sonata
Jack Hernandez
I'm so sorry for you
Aaron Diaz
Why do you not like Scriabin? www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Pc0i5HO9j4
Jaxon Wood
No key > minor key > major key
Benjamin White
>Beethoven >Composer and pianist, regarded by many as the first Romantic-era composer
His Poems are god-tier. Vers la flemme, 2 nocturnes, the Polonaise op. 21 and Fantasie op. 28, Valse op. 38. His symphonies aren't bad either; the 1st one is pretty neat and obviously the Poem of Ecstasy and Prometheus.
Christian Campbell
t. Somebody who doesn't actually listen to classical music
Parker Ross
I haven't even listened to him desu I just like being contrarian with modernist music
Leo Cruz
I have ascended, you fucking plebshit.
Christian Brooks
Okay somebody, anybody, i need help. Basically, what are the essential works, from a variety of different composers and a variety of different periods, that you would generally determine to be the best of the best in terms of how interesting and impressive it is. No i dont want any meme pieces like whatever the trout mask replica equivalent is. just whatevers fairly accessible while still being unique. i have tried looking myself but its all so overwhelming, could you help me start?
how can i find verklarte nacht so beautiful, but not any of schoenbergs atonal works beautiful at all, i don't think he purposely wrote bad music, so i must be at fault in someway
That piece is barely atonal to be honest. Schoenberg was always very romantic in his core though.
Alexander Sanchez
Bach, Art of Fugue, Musical Offering, Brandenburg Concertos, The well-tempered clavier Mozart, Piano Concerto #24 Haydn, String quartet Opus 76, No. 4 ("Sunrise") Schubert, String quartet #14 "Death and the Maiden", Unfinished symphony. Beethoven, All of it except the early stuff(check the opus number), late string quartets are exit level. Brahms, Violin Concerto Wagner, Tristan und Isolde
Christian Gonzalez
Oh ok.
It's okay user you can listen to Mozart all your life.
Brody Long
The Gurre-Lieder gets me even more. Schoenberg was so good at orchestration.
Caleb Myers
Out of curiosity, how do you tell if you're compositions are something at their core?
Alexander Nelson
Has a universal music theory ever been proposed? Like a very abstract theory that kind of summarizes the commonalities between all tonal languages?
Juan Diaz
idk, but the harmonic series is a good starting point.
Oliver Stewart
But that has sections which go into a minor key. When you have a good balance of the two, there is a powerful effect which is found in that sonata.
Easton Edwards
sure but Id consider that more the natural phenomenon on which theory is based.
Lincoln Foster
Daily reminder that I, a mere brainlet, came up with a more efficient system of musical notation.
every note will be 4 lines/spaces away from its last position. But three key signatures has to be better than 15 I would think
Justin Thomas
I'll change to the system if you personally transcribe all music recorded by Beethoven and Mozart and Wagner to this system.
Jace Brown
>when someone tells you they love classical and you ask them their favorite pieces >they reply with, "oh i dunno, just whatever is on the study playlist on youtube"
Oh don't worry, I'm not suggesting this system should supplant the current one. Its just in a previous thread I said "musical notation is retarded and anyone could come up with a better system for putting music down on paper) and of course everyone said I was an idiot, so I thought I would just go ahead and knock out a system with more integrated heuristics. I would put some serious thought into coming up with something more sophisticated before endeavoring to take up your challenge. And even that would likely be a waste of time.
Jason Gomez
>The Scriabincuck is a mozart hater Contrarian confirmed
Kevin Long
You can't just make up a system and proclaim it to be better. Put it to use and see how it works and then maybe we can discuss it. I don't personally believe this would be a better system.
Nicholas Wright
No, I literally can. That's my point. If there was something inherently beneficial about the regular musical staff then I would back off but its the Finnish of musical communication.
Bentley Sanders
did you not read his post? you can't tell whether or not it is superior without applying it
Evan Cruz
so how does it work?
Thomas Reed
Let's see. The system I provided a) localizes all the relevant information about the note value b) significantly reduces the need for memorization of specific information c) makes for more axiomatic reading. This doesn't even have to do with music, just language in general.
Wyatt Foster
You expect too much from /classical/
Christopher Nguyen
>only 3 key sigs
??
Mason Jenkins
petzold
Liam Gonzalez
"not repeating anything" in 12 tone music is a myth.
I think Bach used a 12 tone row in one of his fugues, so you can definitely use a 12 tone subject, but treated tonally.
Bartok and Schoenberg both wrote 12 tone fugues so they're certainly possible
David Thomas
Anyone else get into classical after getting into prog rock?
Okay I was just wonder, because I know there's a difference between having a row in tonal music and having 12 tone music without a tonal center. I just figured I'd ask.
Tyler Clark
What do y'all think about based Sigurd Rascher and classical saxophone in general? Post classical that include saxophones.
thank god schoenberg emancipated us from dissonance so we don't have to listen to braindead faggots like this guy
Ian Nguyen
can you show how this work as your signs aren't explained thanks senpai
Jayden Brown
so is this coupled with standard notation? can you show an example of how this works? i'm curious
Gavin Miller
why is he so perfect bros? >the last in the line of the german grandmasters >perfectly combined romantic expressivity with classical balance and craftsmanship >wrote passages of such dense and adventurous harmony that they still confuse theorists today >mastered all forms (exempting his justifiable disinterest with the lowly opera) >hated the soyfrogs with a passion >came from a working class background, appreciated folk music, and avoided religious nuts >wasa qt >cucked faggot schumann
there are only a handful of composers who have elevated opera to the heights of other forms such as that of sonata and brahms wasn't stupid enough to try when masters before him did it better than he could
Logan Harris
spoiled myself with Richter's Matthew's/John's Passion and can't listen to any other conduction of it. HELP
Cooper Nguyen
>Brams: 7 May 1833 – 3 April 1897 >Wagner: 22 May 1813 – 13 February 1883 Wagner was literally 20 years older than Brahms and died about 14 years earlier. While I dig Brahms, he couldn't out compose Wagner
Jace Sanchez
Rossini, "The thieving magpie" overture.
Thomas Lopez
Verkarte Nacht is before he went atonal.
Not your fault if you do or don't like a particular piece.
Christian Jackson
>find other baroque choral works that Richter conducted >listen >??? >profit
Jayden Harris
but I enjoy Richter's interpretations, that's the problem
Andrew Thomas
I mean we can't all be born faggots, gotta play with the cards you've been dealt
Camden Rogers
You might like the Nuclear Whales Saxophone Orchestra
Angel Gonzalez
link me the best conducting of Matthew's Passion
Cameron Diaz
Opera doesn't need to be elevated and you're a bitch for saying it does
Lincoln Walker
I personally can't say, I haven't sat though any other version other than Richter's yet. I'm more of a Stravinsky, Mozart, Beethoven, Wagner guy who's getting more into Brahms. I do listen to Bach quite often, but it's usually his solo instrument pieces, I haven't dug deep into his choral pieces much.
Brayden Thompson
Already know them, got anything else?
Grayson Thompson
Who is that?
Adam Lee
I used to love Shotakovich but then I heard Mahler. Every trick this Slavshit ever pulled is present in Mahler's 5th or 6th.
How the hell did he get away with this?
Lucas Wilson
Mahler is the most underrated composer of all time.
Jordan Rivera
>composed like 10 pieces >plebs try to place him alongside Bach and Mozart whose catalogues run over 1000 and 500 respectively >underrated
Liam Martin
Brahms may be the most underrated composer. Crazy that people even think he's comparable to Richard "look mom I'm using accidentals" Wagner
Mason Scott
he only needed like 10 pieces to achieve what took Bum and Muff hundreds of pieces to do
Robert Edwards
To be fair nobody else matches them in output.
Wagner barely produced more hours of music than Mahler, despite living twenty years longer. He was also a much less versatile composer in both aesthetics and form.
David Morris
Haydn, Beethoven, Schumann, the Liszt goes on...
You know, ACTUALLY great composers.
Oliver Miller
And those 10 pieces pretty much maxed-out the symphonic form and tonal music in general. No reason to underrate him because his total runtime is much shorter.
Aaron Allen
Nah he's just a proto-postmodernist that tasteless plebians adore because they don't understand pure music.
Thomas Robinson
bitch every form needs to be elevated by constant genius shaping fuck off retard
what you're saying is equivalent to saying "binary form doesn't need to be elevated" which would have deprived us of sonata from you stupid faggot
Nathan King
you can't compare anyone to bach because that's comparing mortals to god
Luke Perry
Beethoven is as good as Bach.
Leo Hill
>proto-postmodernist You don't know what postmodernism means. Mahler is a proto MODERNIST, as his tonal exploration paved the way for the generation of modernist composers immediately succeeding him.
And what is "pure music"?
Gabriel Hall
Debatable. But I mostly agree.
Nathan Lewis
>You don't know
Shut your dumbass mouth. I know what I said. On the other hand, you obviously finding thinking very difficult and take recourse to regurgitating the opinions of others.
Jack Diaz
What about Mahler's work resembles postmodernism?
How could he be a proto-postmodernist if the modernist period postdates him?
Jonathan Mitchell
Abrupt temporal juxtapositioning (childhood memories), programmatic connotations superseding ordinary musical narrative (crows squawking, Klezmer bands playing), highly irregular or absent musical narrative, the desire to be misunderstood, to name a few.
Adrian Cook
You're a drooling retard if you think Mahler was the first composer to include folk elements or popular quotations. This is present in Brahms, Liszt, even fucking Haydn. I don't see how you could think his music lacks "narrative" unless you've never heard his 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 6th. Mahler's pieces which do subvert traditional expectations of development and resolution are part of his genius, because he realized that expectations like the obligatory symphonic grand finale were not the best means of communicating the thematic character of his work.
Mahler isn't postmodern but proto-modern. He was always working within the tradition of common practice, and the innovations and explorations you mentioned were developments of that tradition. You've also given no explanation for why these elements are bad.
Aiden Taylor
When Beethoven writes a thunderstorm it sounds like Beethoven. When Mahler writes one he deliberately makes it sound "unlike" Mahler. In fact he does this so often that there is no "Mahlerian" sound. There is Mahlerian form or procedure, but that's because he's a postmodernist. He wipes his personality from the music. He is not speaking to you in his music. He is putting you in a movie that he wrote. That's not inherently bad. It's my opinion that it makes him a dogshit composer, but you could disagree with that value judgement. But if you fail to recognize that it is in this way that he broke from musical tradition then you don't understand him.
Logan Rogers
Your post is totally devoid of content - all you do is make assumptions with no meritorious corroborations. Consider yourself braindead.
Charles Russell
Why is everyone talking about twelve tone fugues all of a sudden. But yes its possible. The one I made last thread was completely orthodox, maybe too much so. The protocol is generally applied in the horizontal direction. But you could apply it in both dimensions by stacking the intervals into chords. That would be rather limiting if you were deriving all the material from a particular row however.
I have listened to the entire Western canon. Some composers I have heard every single note ever issued from their pen (Brahms, Beethoven, Wagner). I have looked into the backgrounds of all texts set by composers from Machaut to Debussy. I have read Marco Stroppa's essays on his compositional style. I know the history of opera. I've noticed the difference between early and late Rameau. I've played Debussy's four-hand piano works with my girlfriend. I've seen The Rite and the Mass by Stravinsky and played some of his works in concert at my university. I've worked through several books on counterpoint in their entirety. I've read countless books on forms. I have favourites among Mozarts first 30 symphonies. I wager I can recognize almost any composer by an excerpt. I've heard John Corigliano, Peter Maxwell Davies, Philip Glass, and Kaija Saariaho among others speak in person.
Give me your best obscure music that's actually good that I may have missed.
Give me.
Jacob Reed
>I have listened to the entire Western canon
Joseph Parker
t doesn't realize it would have been funnier if it was pic related with the mask on
Jayden Fisher
You seem to be a very refined gentleman
James Martinez
>schoenberg emancipated us from dissonance that's the opposite of what he did. He emancipated dissonance - so you can use as much dissonance as you like.
Mason Parker
>tfw no classic performance of faure's berceuse by the jussen twins on youtube anymore feelsbadman.jpg
Lucas Allen
People say the scientific equivalent to the emancipation of dissonance is the discovery of relativity.
What's the political equivalent? Giving women and minorities the right to vote?
You know a composer is obscure when he doesn't have an english wikipedia page
Angel Sanders
Time 4 Schnittke
Dominic Williams
I have listened to the entire Western canon. Some composers I have heard every single note ever issued from their compilation albums (Mozart, Vivaldi, Beethoven, Bach). I have looked into the backgrounds of all texts set by composers that have nothing to with their music. I have read Poly's shitpost on his compositional style. I've watched a Wagner opera and I have literally no idea what it was about. I've noticed the difference between intervals. I've played Debussy's four-hand piano works with my feet. I've seen The Rite and the Mass by Stravinsky and some of his works in concert played by a bunch of pseuds at my local university. I've worked through several books on counterpoint and now I only compose fugues and call out others for being shit and breaking the rules. I've read countless books on forms and developed some of my own. I have favourites among Schönbergs first works having the refined taste I have. I wager I can recognize almost any composer by their pictures. I've heard bunch of contemporary hacks, but that's alright because they're academic.
Give me your best obscure music that's actually good that I may have missed while reading all those books.
Kill me.
Joseph Cox
>listens to Mozart once
Jose Collins
who here /janáček/ ?
Liam Thompson
russian late romantic and early modernism
late Rimsky-Korsakov maybe some Balakirev Mussorgsky Taneyev
Tcherepnin Mosolov Mayoskovsky Kalinnikov Gnessin
Josiah Powell
right, I'm sure he's never heard of Mussorgsky, Rimsky Korsakov or Balakirev
Michael Perez
Could you recommend any of his pieces so i can make my judgement.
Luke Wilson
>pure music
Connor Hughes
Does anyone have this photo of Schoenberg at the beginning of this video? I desperately need this for shitposting purposes.
Jonathan Cruz
Does anyone have this photo of Schoenberg at the beginning of this video? I desperately need this for shitposting purposes.This time with vibeo
I don't actually hate Mozart, I just call plebs out on their bullshit. ;)
Isaiah Adams
Just got this baby, can't wait to hear it.
And yes, I had to fucking buy a CD online to hear what it sounds like.
Jayden Martin
The cover looks like a tibetan carpet. I like it.
Alexander Edwards
>twelve tone >music
pick one
Josiah Ward
that's exactly what i meant
Lucas Butler
Haha I get it because you live in a very small euro-centristic musical bubble and everything that isn't diatonic isn't "real music" haha really funny guy
I could pick up Bach's complete organ works on CD for 3,75 euros. I've only listened to Bach's harpsichord pieces and symphonies. Worth cycling ~4km for?
Samuel Johnson
Start with piano concertos nos. 1 & 2
Kevin Wright
Does anything by bach sound good on any instrumennt?
Be convicted. Don't be a dilettante pleb. Don't listen for status and respect with people who have no status or respect in your own eyes.
In other words, fuck Schoenburg.
That's all. Peace out.
Jonathan Sanders
You can become one anyway. And you can gain all those skills. There isn't anything you can't do because that's what I learned my whole life and that has been my cultural milieu.
Daniel Wright
Most are failed pianists.
John Taylor
user, I...
Jonathan Wood
That's odd because a)Pianists can more easily realize musical ideas and b) Composing is a lot more interesting than playing.
Ryder Bailey
t. failed pianist
Landon Watson
>There isn't anything you can't do because that's what I learned my whole life and that has been my cultural milieu. wdhmbt
Charles Collins
Not even. Just the very quintessence of the superfluous man.
Grayson Brooks
That would've sucked as reply, though.
Nathaniel Phillips
post-ironic rage about being lied to my whole life that I can meet my artistic goals.
Lincoln Anderson
What are you talking about, "t. superfluous man" would have been a great reply
Dylan Morris
it's a sham to get the majority who are actually intelligent and capable to go the art schools and pay a shitload of money to basically get injected with poz for 4 years, with bigtiddyarthoes and drugs to take the edge off, while the positions of power they would otherwise have occupied if they weren't brainwashed are taken up by the big-brained J-left future leaders and top-tier cogs, imports from Asian countries, and the top 5-10% of Amerindians and Negros (e.g., STEM, government, business, law, etc.)
Jack Stewart
every 1 out of a thousand of these unfortunate drones will end up doing what they want, producing records for say John Zorn's Tzadik label and living in Brooklyn. The rest will be disgruntled baristas, waiters, retail employees, wedding musicians, etc.
Lincoln Reyes
Who let this Jew into the thread?
Oliver Sanders
Is it just me or is it a pain in the ass reading sheet music for guitar?
Camden Murphy
It's not just you. Toby Driver from maudlin of the Well and Kayo Dot said that while he writes the sheet music for all of the other instruments he prefers to just tab out guitar, write whatever weird tuning it's in, and then memorize the parts (instead of sight reading). The other parts - violin, for instance - will sight read. youtube.com/watch?v=jalvn3wLBjo
James Miller
To be fair I never wasted my education on frivolities. I went to school for business which was a mistake anyway. Music was always an avocation but it was always something I felt could give me equity in living. The real problem is I fell for all the memes. The idea that anything is art, there are no rules, creativity is talent. Hell, I thought John Cage was a composer at that time. I made a lot of shit and figured if I kept making shit I would get better. Eventually I gave up but this was before I even started listening to classical seriously. When I saw the kind of monumental achievements in the classical repertoire the idea of composing came to the forefront again. And only in the last couple years have I trained my ear and seriously studied theory. Now I'm 23 so I'm pretty sure its over for me but like an idiot I'm sure I'll keep banging my head against the wall hoping to draw blood from a rock.
Blake Flores
nice blog
Gavin Campbell
You're right, birb, I'm a self-absorbed faggot.
Eli Garcia
And who are they? Why are they enemies of classical music?
Dominic Flores
>Why are they enemies of classical music? because they stink and I don't like them
David Rivera
Christian Wolff, Earle Brown, John Cage, David Tudor, and Morton Feldman. 1962. apparently they are disliked from both sides, people who actually care about classical music, and whoever the fuck these people are: Sounding Out!
@soundingoutblog Jan 28 More Sounding Out! Retweeted Paulo da Fonseca wow #experimentalnewyorkschoolsowhitesomale
John Smith
"Yeah! We're radical! Contemporary bourgeois Christian society can take this dildo up its ass hahahaha" "You're white. And you're a male. Die and let us replace us. If you have kids, make sure they don't have genders and are activists or sex pervert freaks."
What a terrible mistake the latter was, let me tell you! F to Western civilization
Noah Reyes
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Jason Jackson
W*gner does not belong here.
Grayson Hughes
Agreed. It should be pic related.
Nathan Myers
nice try, but moar like pic related
Charles Rivera
Too much overlap with Schoenberg.
Justin Martin
Trying to get into classical music, are concertos the way to go if I want music similar to Zelda and Chinese cartoon soundtracks?
Wyatt Butler
look into overtures and fantasias
Isaac Howard
Wagner is far more radical than Schumann or Ravel relative to their contemporaries, and no composer could be said to have had as far-reaching an influence, extending into the other arts, philosophy and politics.
David Reyes
>influence, extendinginto the other arts, philosophy and politics >dude I hate jews and the State lmao
Juan Morales
wasn't Wagner an antisemetic republican not an anarchist
Jacob Price
Haha I get it it's (((le juice))) every time! Surely you win the argument, my dear sir.
Carter Evans
Who gives a shit about Wagner he was a shitty gay midget
Elijah Baker
All great composers were at least, mildly homosexual. Prove me wrong.
Andrew Foster
bach died a virgin
Joshua Edwards
>17 Children >Virgin
What a cuck!
Ian Ward
Those were Petzold's children.
Jayden Gutierrez
He fiddled choir kids. He was a notorious fiddler.
Owen Turner
tfw piano lesson went 25 minutes over again
Ayden Lopez
t. future composer
Nolan Lopez
>french composers Yuck!
Elijah Parker
this is true, whether or not i'll be a good one is another thing
This has a lot more similarities to Boullanger than Debussy or Ravel, you tonedeaf faggot
Landon Hughes
Both Boulangers put together are dwarfed by the musical influence of either Debussy or Ravel though. And measures 9-13 are very clearly ripped from Ravel.
Blake Miller
Look, there's no fundamentally new music left. We blew our load by 1930. What do you want?
Jacob Lopez
Name a more overrated composer. Protip: you can't.
Robert Perry
>What do you want? I WANT BRAHMSY-WAHMSY TO COME BACK
>tfw you weren't born into a rich german family that could be mistaken as being from the 1700s
Tyler Miller
is this girl autistic?
Jason Sanchez
she's artistic
Sebastian Carter
Hackmanenough
Jonathan Russell
why is everyone on this website such fucking assholes? i can't take it anymore; if you say another bad thing about french composers i'll unironically kill myself.
Mason Fisher
extremely sheltered perhaps
Luis Adams
french composers SUCK
Jose Richardson
this girl is gifted at imitating beethoven and bach, so she's basically the new brahms
fuck off nigger i'm objectively correct, i wrote it so it's true
Xavier Cox
whats the rundown on this girl /classical/?
Jonathan Hill
did you watch the video at all? she's autistic m80
Daniel Sanders
God I wish I was in highschool with her. I'd be deeply in love, but unable to understand my feelings I'd instead bully her and act mean. My bullying would increase in intensity until one day I'd make her cry, at that moment, seeing her crying face I'd come in terms with my own feelings and confess to her.
We would go on dates, hold hands, and kiss (with no tongue, she's pure), keeping our relationship a secret because her parents are very strict. I'd support her in all of her concerts, and one day she'd write a set of lieds dedicated to me. After listening to them, instead of applauding or complimenting her, I'd just say a flat out "I love you", and then we'd kiss passionately.
Bentley Brown
This is so fucking two thousand and late.
Nathaniel Baker
dude get a life lmaooo
Asher Edwards
This He fucking plays like Little Richard wtf
Austin Russell
I actually like it. You need really strong fingers to play Beethoven imo. Schiff's Beethoven make me physically ill.
Ayden Watson
...
Jackson Watson
>not emotionally damaging her so she writes interesting music
Josiah White
>not molesting her so she realizes there is no beauty in the world and becomes a new female Schnittke
Jose Rogers
What's the best recording of Mozart's Piano Concerto 23?
