Jesus died for the sins of all mankind

You're caught up in the words so much you can't hear the message. Ya dolt

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great song

i know the message, it's "be a pussy"

the immaculate conception was taught by many church fathers

First hand knowledge

I mean if you saw a guy feeding eveyone with 2 fish you might remember that shit.
Or if a guy you knew died and the next day he was walking around.. You might listen to what the guy was saying

but how does anyone know that shit actually happened?

>how can anyone believe this shit? what would compel a person to believe in this nonsense versus other nonsense? i just don't understand

Lack education? Religion is a one stop-shop for feeding your delusions of grandeur.

Part of a 3rd world wasteland plauged by murder and massacres that seem encroaching? Call it divine punishment and flaunt "God's favor" until it's your turn. Then switch "punishment" for "test".

Loser, dejected from society? Villify society and claim to be "too innoscent" for society.

Watch Religulous were these people are exposed and ridiculed.

Religion is stupid absurdity...but...these people are more insidious, under-handed and sneaky than most would like to admit.

Disgusting.

>What do you care what others believe. You are no better than those you mock.
His beliefs do not include condemning others to an eternity of burning and torture for the “crime” of being rational. Yes, he IS better than those he mocks.

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It’s true. Religious people are scum. Dumb scum.

Because people talked about it. People lived it.

See

His disciples and followers were imbeciles. The stupidity in that era has great significance.

Because talking-snake book says so

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Ahh the hell meme
The one that never actually appears in the original language...
Fake as cnn

Thats just an easy way to brush it off .. Facts are the human races intelligence hasnt change much in a hundred thousand years. Just our resources.

And in 2000 years there will ve some dumbass like you saying we were like cave men. Doesn't change what happened or that smart people lived

Not relevant, champ. Godtards are very happy to threaten total strangers with endless burning. See the very first reply in this thread. This is why I describe them accurately as scum.

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why do you care?
we Christians do more for this world than your lazy pathetic ass ever could dream of. so go enjoy hell

Thats not what op asked and i dont care what tards think or what they say likeStill doesnt change he died for our sins or that he preformed miracles. A retarded pastor might threaten you but jesus never did

I have children. I am not all loving and forgiving as they imply the Christ was/is, yet i would never set my children on fire if they didn't do what i wanted. I love my children. How can any part of a god that loves his creation burn it for all eternity if it takes a path different than he tells it to choose? Then add the concept that HE CREATED IT AND KNEW IT WOULD CHOOSE THE PATH HE MADE IT TO CHOOSE?! And we're also supposed to have FREE CHOICE TO LOVE HIM OR NOT. how is it a choice to do option a and live forever in happy heroin land. Or choose option b and be tormented forever in a lake of fire? Skewing free will much? It's a joke. A bedtime story for stupid people to calm the down. That is all.

>Still doesnt change he died for our sins or that he preformed miracles
Why do you believe that those things happened?

I truly believe being connected to the world no matter what is important because it gave you life and made you who you are..im on two different ends of it , i believe in a god but man has altered to much shit... Most christians now days are as evil as the fire they scare you with, i know this because i have family/ super christians that say one thing and would spit on a poor homeless man..i dont even fucks with that shit anymore,i just try to take in the beauty of our world and treat people as good as i can..you can trust anyone anymore

There was very little formal education.
They were stupid... and gullible.
You can deny it all you want, but that won't change it.

IRS/Tax evasion, control, and profit margin.

Something DID happen back then but I dont believe the "official" story. Something insane enough to create separate religions across the world telling the same story.

we wont know either way until we die. Cheers, Cred Forumsros!

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kek

Big bang
Fine turning
Lots of reason to believe.
Honestly a lot of scientists have,over the years, had to adjust their thinking to fit the bible.
What you think it was some scientist that put forth the big bang theory?
Nope it was a priest. All the scientists believe in the steady state model. Slowly but surly they all the belief falls and the truth stands alone
Yeah they adjusted their science to fit the reality like they always do but the truth will come out eventually

>Something DID happen back then
Do you think that something DID happen WRT every other religion ever fabricated? Or just the religion that you were indoctrinated into?
>Something insane enough to create separate religions across the world telling the same story.
100% untrue. Religions across the globe through history are wildly different and that is exactly what you would expect from a species that is prone to making shit up.

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There is no hell religious fag

Some people say that about us now. And in 500 years they will look at us worse. So who cares what you think you are just an ape bumbling in the dark of ignorance

Holy shit. I hope you’re just pretending to be this stupid. If not, don’t reproduce, ok?

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What did i say that was untrue? That a priest was the origin of the big bang theory? That scientists (even the great Einstein) believed in the steady state model? Thats all true you know

true!!!!

RG is a fucking nonce

I don’t believe it. Even if it was true, I wouldn’t care. Nobody can redeem me but me. Religious people are weak and deluded at best.

Your point is irrelevant and your favourite continues to be non-existent.

Maybe. But hes right

Godtards like to explain away embarrassing bits of the bible as metaphor (like talking snakes) but have no problem accepting as literal fact a magic invisible floating faggot in the sky zapping up a universe.

Just imagine being that stupid.

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I didnt say ALL religions at the same time man.

Tell me islam and Christianity arent similar. Im not saying they are identical. Then you have branches like catholicism

A god above, his profit/son. Thats just one example.

Im not indoctrinated into anything. Im along for the ride just like you user. Pass the ketchup, this thread is a bit dry.

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I'm a very religious person. Born and raised roman catholic and I have really started to dive into my own faith to help understand my beliefs. I feel you user and I understand why you might believe that way. I had a lot of confusion and doubt for a long time. However, I see it happen all the time. God knows every possible path you may take and lets you choose what you would like. I see this happen with my sister in law right now. She was raised religious, moved to Texas, and started doing whatever she wanted. Dropped church and started living a different life. Now she's pregnant with a 60 year old man or her current boyfriends baby, has constant depression, lost her job, and is in a dark place. At the end of the day she chooses the path she wants to take. For some reason, which I truly believe is the devil, she continues to make decisions that make her life more chaotic and causes her to stray further and further from the light. The interesting thing about God is the parable about the prodigal son. Long short of it, is that even though the son made horrible choices and cast away his family, his father still welcomed him back into his home.

At the end of the day, we make choices to do the right thing or the wrong thing. God lets us make that choice. Many times we choose the wrong things and we know they are the wrong thing, but we want to do it anyway for what ever reason. Whether it makes us feel good, is easy, or we are just lazy. At some point we have to make the decision to accept the teachings of Jesus Christ and to follow the narrow path the heaven.

When we die and are laid to rest we will be judged. Those of us who ask for forgiveness in this life have the opportunity to enter into the kingdom of heaven. God will be the final judge so it is truly a mystery.

Only you user can choose where you want to go. Heaven or Hell. You make that choice every day based on how you live your life. Religion isn't just for stupid people, it's for you too user.

Catholicism is the trunk of Christianity, every other sect branched off them.

On this rock, I will build my church. Jesus Christ established the catholic church and the apostles spread his message across Europe, Africa, and Asia. The first popes were from different continents other then Europe. Interesting, one of the most famous church fathers, Augustine of Hippo, was from Africa. Probz black and shiet. POINT, the different sects of Catholicism have been around for nearly 2000 years. The oldest christian denominations are maybe 500 years old MAX.

>the entirety of the bible is a mix of multiple books
>keeps being altered over years
>people call it word of god but are willing to tamper with 'the word' to fit narratives of society
>acheological finds showed people were doing a common drug in the region and seeing apparition which could be the true culprit for 'god'

Jesus Christ was the only one that preached of love

>c*thols
>christian
Pick one you demon worshipping cunt

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Hahahahaha. You're delusional. You're sister made her Own choices. No devil involved. No Gods involved. Her fault that's it. Wake up and think for yourself ffs

Truth. First and foremost truth.

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So you were told by your parents. Think for yourself for a change

They just want to make money based off of some hippie

Sola Scriptura is garbo theology my dude. The Jehovah witness and Mormans are awful about changing their bibles to fit a narrative. Some of the oldest texts, dead sea scrolls as an example, still hold pretty true to what many Good interpretations of the bible are. The Jehovah witness version isn't even an interpretation, it's blatant.

truth is Jesus was a Jew.

no i don't, i found church and religion to be stupid.

Literally the only recorded aggressive thing he did.

Christianity as a whole is a slew of manipulators that warp the bible to fit whatever narrative they want, hence why there is so many damn branches of Christianity.

Read the bible bruh, not memes and internet trolls using one line verses out of context.

We have formal education, they didn't.
They were imbeciles. Your attempt to divert from that fact is telling.

Books are meant to be interpreted by the reader, it's also a specially hard to know the 'true intent' when the original creators are long dead. This very notion is why following a belief system is dangerous and instills gullibility in people to believe certain things based on self assumed 'right interpretation'.

>Tell me islam and Christianity arent similar.
See pic related. In cases where populations are separated geographically, the stories are completely different and obviously fiction.

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Why does anyone believe anything? Because we're all trying to establish meaning to a meaningless existence. I envy those who have faith, something I can't seem to conjure up, that comfort. It's not comfortable for everyone to know that nothing means anything, that we're just some cosmic fluke, and that given enough time entropy will make everything irrelevant or the universe will cease to exist in a fashion we understand wiping the slate clean. To know that nothing awaits in death but the void. The absurdity of life, the madness that is Existence.

Use religion to explain and excuse your personality flaws.

Fucking disgusting

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You poor kid. Your head is filled with literal garbage and no doubt you will poison your children’s minds too. If I could, I would remove the right to vote for people as dumb as you.

You want to find meaning in existence, what's more a meaning the understanding that we don't know as much as we do know, the ideas of what science has to offer that are yet to be understood. If that isn't meaningful than sure believe in a 'not-it-all' diety with a 'gods plan' t-shirt, living in complete ignorance of someone more beautiful.

There never was an actual jeebus
It's a composite of previous myths

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jesus was such a better person than most people ever born. even those knowing his work still insist on being terrible people, fact.

>his work
>fact
oh, the irony.

uh huh. nice b8 m8.

BTC is the world ending currency that destroys mankind., it will bring the apocalypse.

When the Christians don't understand that The Bible is 90% folklore with a sprinkle of 'god' ideas mixed in to pretend like that was the original intent when in actuality none of the books the bible is based around have any relevance to religion at all.

Religion is a tricky subject for anybody on both sides to discuss because we always forget something very simple:
God didn't create man.
Man created god, the idea, to be used as a tool to amass people and push them towards an idea.
Some men have used god for good, others have used it for selfish purposes and have manipulated stupid people who base all of their belief in anything on religion because it's simplifies life for them.
I don't hate religion and i hope that it's used for the original reasons that Jesus pushed for when he was going against Judaism.
But it's not, people are fucking awful shit bags no matter where you go.
Religion is a mess because people are too stupid to stand up to people abusing it.

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>this nonsense versus other nonsense

different religions are not mutually exclusive. when you understand this it will all make sense

I've only heard of that debate at the beginning of Snatch.

Source?

Hahaha. I've read enough and it made me an atheist. I bunch of contradicting lies full of fantasy and madness

All religions are just tools made to manipulate and amass people in large numbers under ideas.
Religions just have a different flavor and a different message, but it all has god is almighty, we're god's chosen and holier than thou bullshit attached.

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Yes, let's blame the 'no true scottsman' and not the fact that religion breeds a unhealthy trust in a man you call a 'priest' who tells you 'the word' and you must believe it because 'god speaks through me'.

what makes you think you understood it

if it helps, keep in mind that the church got it completely wrong

The people who found the many books and compounded them into a single book got it completely wrong.

The shroud of Turin for some maybe

It does breed an unhealthy trust when you're trusting someone who's solely using you vs putting trust in something that helps you and is always telling you that it will always be here for you.
There are churches who welcome those in need all they ask is you come for a service or do a small deed for the church, sometimes they don't ask you for ANYTHING.
All things that are good can be used properly and inproperly.
Religion can be used to make good things happen for the sake of wanting good for others.
It can also be used to convince you of that, when really it is all a lie.
It depends who is the "priest" and what is his "word" and what are his reasons beyond "god speaks through me"?
That changes what the intended effect of the practice is for.

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Just like there are good and bad police.
Criminals that do crime for good and bad purposes.
Religious people are the same. There's good and there's bad.

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So you'd rather put your trust in the possibility of a sole human being being good/bad and not in the fact that you being a good person is the result of your surroundings, not an over paid cult disguised as a charity?

Difference from a good cop/bad cop and a religion is, religion rarely punishes the bad and there is true repercussions for a crooked cop, especially in this political climate. It's stupid to think being emotionally manipulated by an ideology is equivalent to a man in a uniform being bad at his job. Absurd semantics.

Well learn to fucking read. Next Jesus never said everyone would believe. Either have faith or dont.

What do you mean formal education? You realize "formal education" isnt all encompassing? All these people didnt have "formal education" either but...well that didnt matter
tech-faq.com/people-who-changed-the-world-without-formal-education.html

Revelation 21:18 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.

how the hell do you have faith in something that claims to be good for you, but you have a terrible life when you WERE believing in it?
my life turned to shit, i used to believe in god, i don't anymore
how can i believe anything?

If you following the religion actually puts you in positions where you help others and you're not just directly benefiting the church with money how is that being manipulated if you wanted to do good/have a better place/opportunity to do good?
Is it still being manipulated?
I feel like you're really being manipulated if you just see the religion and you're not willing to question what you're doing and you go about it blindly. That makes it easier for a bad person to control you so long as religion is attached.
That's what specifically bad about religion, but religion itself doesn't encourage bad things.

Like what was said earlier, all good things can be twisted/abused into bad things.
Religion is not an exception, but to say that all religion is bad because of those who abuse it is narrow minded.

The litteral message of christianity is that life is fleeting and that being good despite hardships will make the world better and grant you eternal life
Satan is the one that takes care of offering people frivolities of the material world quit being so retarded even if you don't believe any of this

Has not believing in god changed anything for the better?
How much faith did you have in religion and for how long before you gave up?
Did you expect shit to just turn around and get better magically, or did you try to have an open mind and an optimistic point of view through faith so that as you do good, maybe that good will come back around in some way.

You misunderstand what I'm saying, my point is it's bad because of how it works. It works to coddle people into an idea and indoctrinate children under that idea, it results in less questions because 'well, god says so' as it's commonly said. Religion doesn't teach questioning belief, it teaches following it. That very notion is more dangerous than a valid way to teach people to be good and have a healthy mentality.

How the fuck am i being retarded for not wanting to suffer?
Not really, i've always done good because i like others being happy, even now i do that, i don't need religion to tell me that, i just enjoy helping others

I think you might be retarded
biblehub.com/text/revelation/21-18.htm

You are being retarded for thinking that a religion based on being a decent man that endures will allow you to live like a persian prince without any hardships.
Nothing in life promotes being a fat sloth that can't take a hit

I do understand that much.
What i'm trying to say is whenever you bring up religion trying to be almighty and extreme, that's when religion is wrong. That's where it's device, manipulative and it only see's people as sheep to a shepherd(the priest).
Original Judaism was very much like what we're talking about: Harsh, angry god instead of a peaceful god. Don't question just follow mentality. And jesus argued against those things for Christianity: A religion with a majority of the jewish religion instilled, but instead of a harsh, controlling, unquestioning faith, it wanted a open minded/open hearted, peaceful, forgiving religion that wasn't so extreme.
People have just turned the idea back into the controlling extreme that it was because it serves their selfish purposes, they don't see beyond themsevles and their perspective. They don't see the manipulation as controlling people, they see it as following the religion.
Jesus was trying to free religion from that stigma, but many centuries later people can't seem to remember that anymore.
They just feel good about themselves, they're too comfortable, too please with themselves and too brainwashed/blinded to question it.

Nice strawman, i never said i wanted that, but i don't want to be constantly crippled
unless your definition of suffering is any bad thing possible

In the end i feel like the true purpose of religion that Jesus tried to push for is hardly practiced that way anymore.
It's just gone back to an old extreme.
It's lost the idea of being forgiving and kind for the sake of good.

Still, it's arrogant to assume original intent of a book based on multiple books by different authors and then claim that 'jesus' knew what was good because of this book purposely spliced together to represent something probably most definitely not to be religiously intended.

Feeling good about yourself has nothing to do with intent or outcome but from perceived idea of what is good.

Religion is mostly a crutch for dumb people who want to feel better in themselves for achieving nothing in their lifetime.

I think the idea is that you're supposed to aspire to greater things. Things that aren't ultimately achievable by human standards, but still you push yourself toward that end--even once you've met your practical limits. That being said, most people on here, for example, aspire to just be some guy with face tattoos who sings shit-tier nursery rhymes, or the guy who cleans the slushie machine at Circle K and bangs fat chicks in a public toilet. It requires a bit of imagination to aspire to true greatness, but, truly, today's average human beings aren't imaginative at all. So that's that, I guess.

so basically you're being ironcally blasphemous towards your own belief due to assumption of what 'truly' is good and what 'was' originally intended.

>Want want want
Here is your problem

Died because of the sins of mankind
Innate to the genus since defying their creators, the Plejarans, who created the humans with 'sin' a.k.a. science.
He was born a virgin and did magic, woooooo.

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you are just being an asshole now, it is robotic to think people will not have wants

More like, there are churches who claim to be christian that would call my perspective blasphemous because my perspective makes it very difficult for their manipulation and selfish behavior to go unnoticed.
And then there are other churches that share my perspective that we need to do good.
Not just good of the church and name of god and it's popularity.
To do good like helping those who don't have anyone who can help them.
To give to those who don't have anything.
To warm those who are stuck out in the harsh cold.
To do simple acts of love and kindness to mankind just to create a environment of love and kindness and to do it just because it's the right thing to do.

It's robotic to say a person's wants are illogical and unnecessary.
It's not robotic to say if all you focus on is what you want and not what you need or whats BEYOND what you want or need, then you're most likely going to end up selfish and bitter than you don't have what you want.
Instead of trying to see beyond that and what would also make you happy/make things better even if it's something you don't want right away.

And also to do it in the hopes that it encourages another to do something similar.
Not for god, not for fame, not for glory, not for wealth.
Just because doing something good is a good thing in it of itself.

okay, i need to not be in constant pain to the point i consider suicide, happy?

besides fuckin a tree up for not givin him figs outta season

If you have a problem that causes you chronic pain in life, that's unfortunate.
I'm not asking you not to feel burdened by your condition, i'm asking for you to see beyond yourself and how you can still make a difference, do something good and make somebody else's life feel less burdened, even if just for a little while.
Is that not lifting you/taking a bit of the burden off of your life as well?
and if not, then doing that sort of thing just isn't for you. And that's okay.

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Tbh, if you are in constant pain why don't you just say what's wrong with your life instead of sarcastically posing questions like a teenager?
Religion isn't saying your pain and your frustration means you deserve to go to hell for not kissing religions cock.
Religions is just trying to get you to see that even if you were dealt a bad hand, that's no reason to just treat everything like shit.
You can still find enough reason to just be a good person now and again right?

I constantly do good for others, i spend my money on others instead of myself, but what does that have to do with christianity?

When you are a fucking heathen is easy not to believe in anything.

my mistake. 21:8. you could easily find it by searching for the text if you weren't so smoothbrained yourself

fewer

fewer questions

t. Stannis Baratheon

Because this isn't a vent thread and you're not a goddamn confessional

The dying for all sins part was metaphorical, only the evil Catholics made it a cornerstone of their faith so they could do any evil shit they like and then confess and still be holy.

That originally that's all Christianity wanted you to do?
It wasn't about all this greed and corruption and trying to just make god popular at the cost of being hypocritical and judgemental.
If you feel like you're generous then good, keep being the way you are.
You don't have to feel like religion is the reason you do it.
You can do it for your own personal reasons and it it makes some happiness and it creates some positivity in the world then that's what matters.
That's what Christianity was originally encouraging people to do. It still does.

Not trying to be a confessional.
I think you're just getting a little angsty there kiddo.
If you don't get it by now, just scroll up and read it again.

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You're full of shit, catholicism is a late branch of christianity, it's also inherently evil, encourages sin and vice, and is responsible for switching the sabbath day from saturday to sunday in order to obfuscate the divine truth.

I take great offense at you posting shigechi to me
but yeah, i don't feel this is a place to post my woes, i just wonder why does christianity have priority as a religion, and how can you believe in something without proof it'll work?

People who think they can sin all they want and just say sorry in church and believe it's all good aren't truly sorry for what they did.
They just see it as a price they have to pay with time and money to be forgiven.
Bribery isn't a true apology. It's the cost of wanting to do your horrible shit you do.

The reason why Christianity has priority?
All other religions come from an old world ideology that god is super powerful and all knowing and will smite you the moment you step out of line.
Christianity is considered special to the world because it was the first religion to try the idea that-
"Maybe if we stop harshly chastising these people for these sins and just give them a chance at redemption, more people will end up being good because of it!"
And it completely threw off all the old religions foundations in scamming people out of their money through "sin" and "penance".
Now Christianity today is like 70-80% of the world? That's why it's so significant.
And the whole believe in something without hard evidence in proof?
That's why they call it faith. The evidence they have in it working is all the people around them who really care about doing good and doing the right thing and what effect that collectively has once a lot of people believe in it.
But that power to bring people together and how beautiful it is once it's done is very easily used by someone who wishes to use it for selfish purposes.

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do you have a source for those numbers?

Honestly, most people believe because authority figures told them to. We are programmed to obey authority when young because that's what kept us alive before.

Sorry i think i said the 70-80% of the world when that's actually 70-80% of the united states.
Christianity is actually the most popular religion, spanning across 31% of the world's population.
That was my bad.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_populations

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Correct, but Catholicism pushes this idea, because they want you to sin. They are satanic.

That’s pretty true, that’s why the reformation happened in the 1500s, the Church was selling penances, basically get into heaven cards.

The whole idea is not to just say sorry and think all is forgiven, the actual teaching is repent and be forgiven. Repentance involves an active rejection of sin and a return to God, though as humans it’s not possible to live free of sin, which is why there’s forgiveness

Well yeah!
Throughout history it's been shown so many times, that religion and state (the military/political leaders) are ALWAYS in bed together, they benefit each other and they know they do.

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I've asked for guidance and help all my life. Tried to listen for answers and asked the Lord to enter my life and guide me. Nothing. Not a Wisper, sign, or feeling of faith in return. I believe people should be good. I'm kind to animals, insects (that arnt threatening me currently lol). Make smart choices, live beneath my means even tho I'm rather poor, And help anyone i can that seems like they actually want help. I've got my problems but life's actually pretty bitchin'. But nothing that pertainsto God or Jesus in the good book makes much sense and i can't believe in a loving God that allows children to suffer cancer or doesn't smite those who do evil in his name (we all know those in his fan club who are doing more harm for the religion than good).
You don't need an imaginary devil to make bad choices, take the easy road and end up where the easy path and bad choices take you.
And likewise an imaginary friend with super powers isn't going to save you from the eventuality of death and whatever is beyond (most likely nothing).
We all have to be the best we can and enjoy what we have while we live. Because this is most Likely all there is. Don't waste the gift of life by spending all your time on your knees, skipping things you might enjoy (that won't harm you) and sending 10% of your gross to a rich organization. Because some 2000 year old book that was written by man and instructs you to be a good slave and obey your masters if that's your lot in life.

If religion helps you get through your life, I'm happy you've found it and i wouldn't want to take that away from you. If i had three wishes, one might be to make heaven real for you guys. Waiting for the reward in the afterlife for all your hard work in life sounds like something my older brother would cook up when i was 6 as a way of screwing me out of my fair share and getting his first... And i just can't go along with that crap anymore.

You really can't, retard

If 70-80% of the world were practicing Christians, the world would be drastically different.

One thing that makes Christianity stand apart is prophecy. For example, it foretold of Israel becoming a nation again (the field of dry bones coming back to life). That Israel would be a thorn in the side of the world (look at all the Jewish persecution in history) That there would be an explosion of technology in the end of days, and that nobody would be able to engage in commerce without a mark on the forehead or the hand. Well the latter isn't true right now, but the technology is there. Also that two prophets would proclaim the coming of Christ and their deaths would be seen across the world in an instant. That's possible now through Internet and mobile devices; it was never possible in all of known history until now.

Not very popular in uni are you?

How would it be different?

Oh i know the verse... Now please point out where it mentions hell

Well at least christians aren't beheading people or throwing them off roofs for being gay, to my knowledge.

You do realize genuine satanism has nothing to do with heaven and hell, angels and demons, god and the devil, right?
Satanism is basically a belief, not a religion, that religion itself is foolish. That you need to trust yourself and not be manipulated by another to suit their cause/belief.
It's more about worshiping yourself and it's pretty selfish. But it never gets into how you just need to sin and do fucked up shit and kill things just because it's evil and satan is evil and you believe in satan.
Religious people ALWAYS get this wrong.
Catholicism is just more cultish because it wants to be more controlling, it wants less questions and less difficulty and less challenges in how it controls people.
You think it's satanic because of how extreme it is, but Christians do this similar type of judgement and manipulation in their own way as well. It's just MUCH less obvious.

This means the Jews are forgiven for lying about Hitler
Unacceptable

Being an illiterate peasant in the iron age helps.
After that, family and cultural indoctrination takes over.

You make the most logical argument here against the faith because everything you're saying is true.

I'm glad you still found the respect for others who life that way. You truly show you're a good person, religious or not.
I wish you luck in life.

please see
I got it wrong it was 31%

not anymore... they used to do much more to many more.
now they lost the following so they getting soft and only rape children when no one is looking

Whoa we got one of them crazy
"Holocaust never happened" nutjobs.
I'm willing to believe the jews know that the best way to control the world is through money and they make up the corruption in our world.
I will never understand how you can deny all the evidence of that historical event, where millions died.

Satanism is the worship of Satan, the clue's in the fucking name. How can you write so much bullshit?

I don't get where you're going with that.
Islam- Raping kids, training kids to be terrorists, murdering woman and children, executing innocents by the thousands, all in the name of "allah" in recent times.
Christianity- No records of them doing any of those things in history. Crusades started after the Islamic soldiers invaded the christian lands first.....Let's even say they did all of those things way back then. That would still be hundreds of years ago compared to Islam doing all of that literally right now.

>I will never understand how you can deny all the evidence of that historical event, where millions died.
b8? smells like b8

>No records of them doing any of those things in history.
>Crusades
.....

It happened, but the facts are massively exaggerated. Nowhere near 6 million died, and there were no death camps. Do more research before you dismiss these things out of hand.

Because i actually studied what satanism was for the purpose of curiosity. To see if it was actually the worship of the devil.
It's not.
Satan is the symbol of their religion, it's named after him because he is the symbol of rebellion in all religion.
He rebelled against god to do what he personally felt was right.
Now i'm not here to debate whether i think he's right or not, but Those principles i just stated are very based around rebelling against the norms of society that wish to control you.
That is why it's called Satanism, because he is the embodiment of disobeying your masters and refusing to obey something you disagree with.
They don't actually believe that hell and satan and demons are real.
They believe that believing in god and hell is stupid, and stupidity is the first cardinal sin of Satanism.

I'm seriously not making any of this up, if you want to find out for yourself, look up what satanism genuinely is from any non religious source.

now that i can put myself behind....

basic math from what i've been told shows that you can not kill 6 million people with the methods they had in that amount of time

all superstitions cloud the mind of reason

Yeah, a military conflict between Islam and Christianity where Islamic armies came on to Christian territories trying to invade it and take it over.
When the Christians pushed them out, they kept going into the Islamic armies lands for coming into theirs.
Show me the similar level of violence towards defenseless, unarmed people.
Show me a similar level of toddlers the age of 3 being given weapons and being told to kill the enemy.
Show me a similar level of Christians killing their own people in their own land mercilessly.
If you can show any of those things happening in the Crusades, then do it.
I'm not saying Christianity is perfect, it's got it's own set of problems for sure.
But to say Islam and Christianity commit the same level of harm to the world, in today's world, is ridiculous.

If it's so basic then expand on it rather than just making claims.
How could he not kill 6 million people with all of the things that they were doing to kill them?
If it's so basic then it should be basic to explain.

LaVey believed that the ideal Satanist should be individualistic and non-conformist, rejecting what he called the "colorless existence" that mainstream society sought to impose on those living within it.[143] He praised the human ego for encouraging an individual's pride, self-respect, and self-realization and accordingly believed in satisfying the ego's desires.[144] He expressed the view that self-indulgence was a desirable trait,[145] and that hate and aggression were not wrong or undesirable emotions but that they were necessary and advantageous for survival.[146] Accordingly, he praised the seven deadly sins as virtues which were beneficial for the individual.[147] The anthropologist Jean La Fontaine highlighted an article that appeared in The Black Flame, in which one writer described "a true Satanic society" as one in which the population consists of "free-spirited, well-armed, fully-conscious, self-disciplined individuals, who will neither need nor tolerate any external entity 'protecting' them or telling them what they can and cannot do."[148]

amazing, i'm in

*tips fedora* M'neckbeard.

It sounds good to you because Satanism encourages to look out for yourself, take care of yourself and take care of those you love and value.
And don't let yourself be used by another.

so we say that killing people for their beliefs is ok, just not the way islam is doing it?
or are we saying, hey we aren't as bad as these guys ove there... take a look at them first

yet Russians managed to kill over 50mil... in the same period of time... hmmm

Exactly.
real Satanism is trying to free us from religious ideals that just want to control people and keep them dumb.
Real Satanism just wants you to stop denying yourself from what you really want.
But the flaw in that is it makes people pretty selfish.

indeed, something i was trying to do without it to begin with, which brings me to the irony/hypocrisy that they advocate against 'herd mentality' yet this is a group belief system? ... like i don't need to even identify myself as 'satanist' to do this

He is CLEARLY describing hell you fucking retard.

So if people who believe are scum, then people who don't believe are what? Good?

Religion =/= personal integrity.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled...

i agree with him,
people who 'believe' can do shitty things and then be forgiven by god. they justify their shitty decisions by being 'imperfect and fragile' while a normal person with integrity will not do those shitty things to begin with so theee will be nothing to forgive and if they did then THEY have to deal with the consequences

"authority" itself only exists to absolve personal culpability and take responsibility for consequences, even when that authority doesn't actually exist

>People can do shitty things and be forgiven by god
People do shitty things regardless of if they think 9 Iothey'll be forgiven or not.

I want to know why just because someone believes in a god or god(s) that it makes them an inherently bad person.

Quoting the bible is trying to argue with authority of god.
If i don't value/respect/fear the authority of god, what value does the argument have then?

If i quote a green lantern comic and it's super deep are you supposed to be impressed and be just convinced?

People do shitty things WITH and Without religion bud. Being religious and not being religious isn't the ultimate decider in that.
Being religious automatically doesn't make you a bad person.
Being blindly religious is almost certain to have you aid someone who is a bad person without realizing it.
But these people really like to lump everyone religious together with individuals who abuse and misuse religion for selfish purposes and because of that they refuse to accept that there are still those who are religious that just to good just because.
They think that is somehow impossible, for a person to just be good just because they want to be.

>People do shitty things regardless of if they think 9 Iothey'll be forgiven or not.
really? I think its a bit different from a psychological point of view because the repercussions are much tougher on the person that doesn't believe and is not re-assured that he is forgiven for his sins... which makes the future offenses much easier to re occur if you are forgiven just like that for being a shit bag