Why are you a liberal?

I am liberal, in the true sense of the word, not the American twisted abomination version of absolute dementia you call liberalism. I am liberal because I believe that ppl should be able to do ahat they want, as long as they are not harming others.

Because the country has moved so far to the right that now moderates are lefties.

are you retarded? Abortion is murder you hypocritical piece of shit.

so, why havent you give birth yet to a child?

What kinda faggot is a liberal?

A lot of good answers here. Demographically, I'm white, wealthy, urban, coastal, educated, so my background probably drew me to a classical liberal viewpoint with since conservative biases

I have friends (generally older) who are much more right wing, but they are without exception exceedingly wealthy so imho, that's the only people that should be voting to the right, at least in the US. Anything else is pure political ignorance

So delusional...

Why is harming others bad?
So many beta white males here...

The deaire to remain free must be met with a minimum of equal resistance to those that would enslave us.

Id rather be free to starve than starved of freedom.

Nobody told you to get an abortion

I'm pretty clear on things, honestly.

I used to be liberal, then they changed what liberal meant. Now what i am isn't liberal anymore and whats liberal seems weird and scary.

lmao imagine being this retarded

btw: most aborted fetuses are negroes. so, in a way, liburuls are more anti-negro than crackers who only want to string up the negro if he touches the white woman. statistically, that is far less negroes killed than abortions.

u big gay op
dumb

>Abortion bad
Then don't get one.

>Immigrant bad
You're an immigrant retard. Also think of how much this actually affects your day to day life.

>Firearms good
Alright, then can you explain to me how school shootings keep happening frequently only in the US? Besides that, I support pistol carry but come on there's no reason why owning an assault rifle (or semi) should be legal.

biggest school shooting happened in europe, faggot.

and millenials and zoomers have no really good reasons not to grow up angry and disenfranchised since normal male aggression is tamped down by a society continually run by feminist nazi's.

go watch "saturday night fever" and then realize that that is how men used to treat women - as objects. that is how we won wwII and went to the moon. todays generation can't even piss standing up without getting yelled at by mom to "sit down!!"

emasculation is the key to the ruination of society.

Nah you probably shouldn’t be able to murder babies on demand. I’m not a criminal migrant with no skills except drug smuggling and human trafficking. The states with the most rigid firearms laws have the most shootings of the type you describe, the real concern should be getting handguns away from urban negroes.

if you were to remove urban negroes from the usa, then no one would talk about crime or abortion since both would be nearly zero.

guess we'd have an epidemic of "crackers making their own liquor and not paying taxes on it" type crimes. kek

I feel like you must be really fucking dumb to not be liberal in 2020. Unless OP counts leftists as liberals too.

>abort our own children
Take a gander at the stats. Preventing unwanted children is about the most consistent thing you can do to reduce the need for government expenditures. You need less welfare and fewer prisons. If you're a racist you have the added bonus of abortion disproportionately occurring in communities of color. If you're a classist you have the bonus of poor people having fewer children. The only possible downside is if you think life is sacred, and if thats the case I've got a bridge to sell you.

>Import hostile immigrants
Not all of us are big on immigration. Personally I think we should require independent verification of H1-B visas, change the wording to requiring a "unique" skill, and make the bar extremely high.

The thing is, if you're going to crack down on immigration you NEED to substantially raise corporate taxes on entities that utilize (especially skilled) labor outside of the US to the point that you're disincentivizing offshoring. Thats going to be a tough thing to sell to either party, even Trump isn't talking about that kind of protectionism.

>Disarm ourselves
The government isn't ever getting anywhere close to my guns. The last time there was a serious federal gun control push it ended when one guy blew up one building. Chicago basically folded after the first court case. I carried with it being a felony for a decade and owned all kinds of things that I wasn't supposed to, but I wasn't a retard about it so nothing happened.

>there's no reason why owning an assault rifle (or semi) should be legal.
They're good at killing police officers if the labor movement ever wakes the fuck back up.

You centrists disgust me.

Because I’m not an undereducated, greedy hate monger.

Hes right you know, pavement apes with glocks and .45s make up most us murders

Great post.

Also, on the immigration front, keep in mind that no one in power actually wants to get rid of illegal immigration. It's just too good of a rallying point and supplies too much cheap labor for the corporations. That's why they go after the immigrants themselves and not the companies that hire them. It serves many purposes: it gives racists big hard-ons and makes for good political theater, it keeps immigrants scared and compliant, and it doesn't affect the actual usage of immigrant labor whatsoever.

If someone actually wanted to reduce illegal immigration, they'd simply go after the employers and within a year, it would be a non-issue.

Because the gop is dominated by self righteous religious freaks who spend money they dont have for shit we dont really need. They are the party of hypocrites and big biz. No Republican ever did anything in my best interest.

I am pro abortion and against guns and not very liberal.

Get the fuck outta here with your logical, sound and reasonable answers.

Because the hypocrisy of the right considering themselves the moral standard party makes me vomit, also fuck tax cuts for businesses and i don't mind my own taxes as long as they are going towards something i can use or benefits my community

‘murder babies’
shut up, you sound like a faggot

Ha, exactly! Honestly, I know these threads are all just bait with a hint of unsavory racism, but I am always trying to understand the mindset of GOP supporters. (And keep in mind, I don't consider the GOP to be an actually conservative party. If they were, they'd care about the debt and small business, etc.)

OP has made the mistake of thinking that all libs believe the same thing on every issue. Probably because all cons have exactly the same position on every issue. If they don't follow the party line, they're called RINOs or anti-trumpers. There is no such term as DINO.

I have some liberal views and some conservative ones. Here's a different question, why don't you take every issue by itself and come up with your own opinion instead of subscribing to one thought process?

Abortion is the 5 second rule but for murder.

Be careful, that dichotomy is what keeps both parties in business. The GOP isn't the party of big business, they're the party of some specific business interests that are regionally important to the areas where the GOP is strong. Both parties are, generally, the party of big business. Both take huge amounts of money from lobbyists, both push bills and policies written by specific sectors of industry and sell them as being consumer protection, both are explicitly in favor of free trade. Never forget that NAFTA and CAFTA happened because Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich cooperated.

>There is no such term as DINO.
We call them Bidens.

This is correct.

im independent. people should be able to buy guns get abortions and buy any drug they want legally. the government shouldnt act as a parent to consenting adults. the government should only provide services that individual states cant provide like navy and army

Are you aware of something called Libertarianism?

Makes my addiction to questionable hentai seem valid, thank you user

No, it's degenerate. Just because you are the product of a shitty environment doesn't absolve you of being a shitty product.

Because religion is stupid
Science is awesome
No war but class war

My dad was conservative and left when I was 2, never seen him since. I do look at his facebook and it's like a collection of the worst conservative stereotypes you've ever seen, asking why we shouldn't kill the fags, talking about Hitler and then him drinking beer and watching football. He's a piece of shit.

People should be able to do what they want as long as it's not directly hurting others.

im not a liberal because i only listen to highly intelectuals like pic related or joseph paul watson

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right has best memes XDD right wing forever

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Because I understand nuance and realize life is a complex set of circumstance that we don't fully understand.

me and the gang ready to stomp on libtards LOL epic day xP

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only right has EPIC meetups like this one XDD

PS: miss u ethan

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Because politics is fucking boring thats why.

my mom loves Cred Forums xD what a dork :PPP

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because this isn't my life yet

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love that /b assumes non-right wing cucks are automatically liberal. fuck liberals and fuck conservatives. Y’all really underestimate the number of anarchosyn / anarchocom anons are out there

come at us niggers ISIS mexicans we beat the shit out of you :D

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>The government isn't ever getting anywhere close to my guns.
being this cucked to a metal phallus

>anarchosyn / anarchocom
Oh right one of those people that talks endlessly about their ideals without ever actually doing anything about it. The representationless representatives.

it's called the constitution dumb fuck

Yeah but like the best kind of murder. I mean we murder millions of actual real people constantly and violently but we bitch about casually flushing a pile of stem cells like its the end of tomorrow

I'm not. But you are

>Because women should decide for themselves
>Because we exploited half the world and now they have a right in our wealth
>Because the majority of arms are in the possession of fascists so disarming "ourselves" actually means disarmig right wingers more than anyone else

Gat em.

Admittedly I tend to agree with you user, that being said the American two party system is really the only thing keeping major changes from happening... as soon as a democratic socialist gets elected (if it ever happens) I believe real change could potentially happen. That being said you have the tankie cunts who refuse to believe in voting vs the more Chomsky leaning “anarchist” who see socialism as a step towards true anarchism, but sadly it usually gets warped into vanguardism and basically the same system we have in the US now but with more repression

90% of Liberals don't agree with importing immigrants or disarming the population, maybe try talking to some instead of making up boogiemen

Yeah, God forbid someone doesn't want to actually suck cocks huh?

Young man, I'm an actual psychologist who works from a psychodynamic perspective and of all the anxieties that a firearm defrays, dick size is the least of them. Does it provide the illusion of security and control? Yes. Is it a means of overcoming ambivalence regarding my place in a world without meaning? Absolutely. Has it attained something of a totemic power, symbolizing other values and strivings which are both more difficult to obtain and impossible to have concrete proof of in daily life? You betcha. Does it swing all the way over to Thanatos and give me comfort in the knowledge that I could either take my exit or dominate those who have aroused my aggression? For fucking sure.

But about a dick? C'mon, you're not even trying.

"Democratic Socialism" fuck out of here faggot.

>women should decide for themselves
What about those women who are developing in the womb and get no say then?
>we exploited half the world and now they have a right in our wealth
Calling bullshit on this one. No one has a right to any other person's "wealth". That is called stealing. If you're so generous and benevolent take in 20 low IQ immigrants and see how long your house remains stable.
>fascists
The cognitive dissonance that you liberals have is downright impressive.

Because I want an apartment, and a cell phone. I want to drink lattes like a homo, and eat organic.
And I do not want to work for it.

Not enough abortions.
Easily the stupidest reply I will see all day

The most well informed and correct opinion in this thread.

Organisms without agency don't get a say. Fetuses don't have equal rights.

I like how your analogy is retarded and the numbers are off by orders of magnitude. My household of 3 means letting 20 in? So you're saying that we want to let in 2.18 billion people?

No, you're a fucking moron and this is why we hate you. Your entire life is controlled by stupid analogies that you've put no thought into.

>>The cognitive dissonance that you liberals have is downright impressive.

lol'd after the previous nonsense you stated.

>What about those women who are developing in the womb and get no say then?

Should land lords be allowed to evict tenants during winter?

i'm a classical liberal and a nationalist.

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Wealth is the effect of society and its mechanisms. It's not magic that the rich continue to control and undermine the levers of power to gain more wealth, it's undermining of law by which they do so. This should be resisted by violence, if necessary.

If you redistribute wealth it ends up back with 1% of the population.

I'm not a liberal, liberals are right wingers

>>the effect of society and its mechanisms

Those are all redistribution of wealth, user.

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>retard asks retards why their beliefs are retarded despite his own retarded beliefs

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Abortion isn’t murder you bible worshipping Jesusfag, why do cuckservatives have the mentality of a caveman?

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2020 and the ass blasted liberals still think Democrats are in it for them.

How absolutely clueless can you possibly be?

Multiply your age * 4 and add three and perform that trimester abortion on yourself since you're only a clump of cells.

Lol, let me guess, you think liberals should join the GOP?

Just for the sake of argument, name a left wing moderate.

But people will argue because everyone is a temporarily embarrassed millionaire.

Liberals and conservatives are basically the same except for the IDPOL. All idpol is fucking retarded, from the rights obsession over whiteness to the liberal obsession with minority groups.

Instead we should be focusing on the class war. Removing the useless parasites that control media and production and replacing them with worker operated democracy.

Because humans have rights based on the fact that they're human you subhuman monster. The fuck is wrong with you?

You could go jump off a building right now and nobody would care aside from the clean up crew.

Bernie Sanders is a centrist. He still supports a capitalist super structure but wants to impose regulations and small scale redistributive structures.

FDR is similar to this. He was basically there to prevent a full blown socialist revolution in America after the great depression. He saved capitalism. Bernie Sanders is the same way.

Real leftism hasn't existed in America since the before WW2.

>Bernie Sanders is a centrist
Thanks for the great laugh. He's just there for all the losers that think he'll rescue them and get them a pay raise to 15 an hour.

I like how he made a point and you replied with stupidity.

I mean, you're kind of right. He's out there trying to stop our society from running away into capitalist dystopia by slowing down the train.

But he's not reversing the train and going left. He's just slowing it down.

If you look at a real political spectrum that includes communism and anarchism, Bernie Sanders is a centrist because he still supports capitalism and government.

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>I have no argument yet I still scream: The Post

>Not choosing to be conceived vs choosing to not pay rent or trash the place
Want to try again?

>you replied with stupidity.
Go learn something so you earn more than minimum wage you pathetic loser.
Bernie is not going to get you a "well-deserved" pay raise

>>stupid analogies that you've put no thought into.

Better to remain silent then continuously prove my point.

Ok, so you can evict the parents but not their child?

>anarchosyn
Kekd

oh look, an american that's not retarded. now thats rare

Except productivity and gdp are sky rocketing but wages are stagnant.

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I love these replies, absolutely no effort with 0 knowledge about what I do. I haven't needed a traditional job in many years.

I make money while sleeping and scratching my ass, pic related.

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oh come on, if you really want reasons, google is better than anons who bother to lower themselves to political threads

why abortion is justifiable, even treating fetuses as full moral actors: youtube.com/watch?v=c2PAajlHbnU

admittedly not responding to the best arguments against gun control, but covers some common ones: youtube.com/watch?v=9pOiOhxujsE

for me, the immigration question mostly has to do with maximizing overall human happiness rather than just citizens

pretty much this I don't think liberals vs conservatives is a matter of "I'm objectively noble and right and the other tribe is cartoonishly evil and out to get me"

it's just two different kinds of people with different values who would be more happy and fulfilled living in different systems. The world would be so much better if people minded their own business

Because idpol neoliberalism is a strawman created by the capital class to weaken labor’s solidarity. A divided labor class, unable to focus on the real goal of organizing for better pay/conditions leads to the state of society today - poverty, homelessness, indebtedness to bankers, and further concentration of wealth. Globalist free trade with slave states (China), outsourcing, and lack of social safety nets are the whips used to keep labor too afraid to demand the value of their skills as risking everything for a relatively small, incremental increase in conditions is not seen as worth it. See the concept of ergodicity.

So I agree, abortion should be legal. But I think it should be socially discouraged and not something people are proud of. You killed your kid, feel a little shitty about it.
>you're an immigrant
Based on what? My family has been here since the founding. We have been in this country longer than this country has existed.
>how do you stop school shootings?
-arm and train school officials
-get psychologists to talk to the guys that do these things to figure out why they do it. I have a few thoughts, but they're little more than conjecture.
>no reason to own an assault rifle.
Well, for one thing, you can't realistically own one as a civilian anyway. The AR15 isn't some super powered death ray capable of creating a one man army. Most of these shooters would've been just as deadly with other firearms. These guys aren't choosing the AR15 for tactical reasons, they're doing it to be trendy.
Aside from that, who are you to tell me what I shouldn't be allowed to own? I could own a 50 cal machine gun without killing anyone, outside of self defense. Several million Americans do. The weapon isn't the issue here.

im not racist or a corporate bootlicker

No opinion poll exists that could corroborate this assertion

>White and poor with student debt confirmed.

FUCK LIBERALS

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abortions will occurr one way or another whether we like it or not, the ol' coathanger or "oops I fell down the stairs" tricks are pretty reliable. kinda like alcohol or mary jane. i'd rather make the resource publicly available and offered as a solution in case issues arise because people aren't perfect and we make mistakes. shit happens.
i don't really much care what background someone is from, they deserve a chance to work and eat three square meals a day. i'm not a monster that would demand because someone is slightly more brown than me that they be disallowed from working and eating.
honestly all for firearms kept for sport or kept at home for home defense. i own a couple guns for those purposes and honestly chalk up most gun incidents involving minor shooters to poor parenting t b h.

I disagree with a few points.
One, I wouldn't call multi trillion dollar free tuition and medicaid for all plans that necessitate a massive tax hike "small scale redistributive structures". That sounds pretty large scale to me.
As for real leftism not existing, bullshit. Go to Portland Oregon.

Because the future should be more star trek and less shadowrun.

Are you 12?

Because I believe that non Christians and non whites are people too. Crazy, I know.

Im both a liberal and a conservative I'm socially a liberal but I'm financially conservative

Gotta have me some dolla bills y'all.

Women have complete domain over their own bodies, and fetuses are absolutely their own bodies, they cannot survive on their own any more than your arm could survive if you cut it off.

A very small minority of immigrants are hostile. Immigrants do not commit violent crimes at higher rates than American citizens. Additionally, the entire reason refugees must be accepted is because the last time they weren't 6 million people died in the holocaust. If we had refugee laws they would have been able to left but nobody took them.

I really don't think the average person needs a firearm, because I really don't think the scenarios scared gun nuts come up with are very common. Additionally, you're *more likely* to be killed by a gun when you own one. It's statistically unsafe to own a firearm, for you and the people around you. I don't think many people should have that power.

Liberals support freedom more than conservatives. Ask Trump about jailing protestors and suing the Onion.

>Abort our own children.
Not "our", faggot. Those are children of specific people and it's their call whether to raise them or not.

>Import hostile immigrants.
They're only as hostile as the system abuses them. Want peaceful immigration? Make the immigrants' conditions better, not worse.

>Disarm ourselves.
Yes, since every single gun out there is an item that only creates fear, making people more paranoid about their safety. And paranoid people do stupid shit.

Besides, the majority of gun deaths are from suicide, a thing that would be much harder and much less successful if the suicidal people didn't have a tool to blow their brains up.

Illegal immigration =/= legal immigration, you're cool with al Qaeda coming here? Go move to Iran.

School shootings are a fraction of a % of actual violence that happens in America
Also drugs are illegal but still everywhere, same with guns. Criminals are criminals for a reason, retard

So brainwashed....

Agree to make the process easier, that's such a brain-dead statement, even Iraqis however say terrorist try to get here when forced to leave Iraq, life isnt full of chocolates and peaches champ.

I agree with you on abortion.
On immigration, I think you're missing the larger point. Yes, we should be willing to take in refugees when necessary, however everyone on earth can't be a refugee. The fact is, the US and Europe cannot reasonably expect to be able to take in the entire planet. Or even the numbers of migrants we are getting. It simply isn't sustainable. You can either have a welfare state or open boarders, you can't have both.
I disagree with you on guns for several reasons. First, the right to self defense is a human right. If you take away guns, you are infringing on that right. Second, out of about 2 million deaths, 40000 people (including suicides) die from guns each year. There are something like 400 million guns in America. Even if you own a gun, you're not really very likely to be killed by one.
Third, the US government has lost 11 nuclear weapons. Who the fuck are they to tell me I can't be a responsible gun owner?

>>free to starve

If I'm starving I'll be hitting you in the head and taking your food, Marie Antoinette. Way to deny the natural progression of human nature.

How will your freedom fair when the proletariat destroy your system?

because im a degenerate cuck who enjoys subverting the white race
o fucking wo

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Penis

'Cuz I'm extremly smart

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because gop are faggots

No, voting conservative isn't just a benefit to wealthy. It's a promotion of individualism. Meaning my opinion is just as valid as any wealthy persons. To give my wealth to gov, does not grant it back to me but to take it out of private ownership into bureaucratic ownership. I'd rather see wealthy people than all equally poor. To delude yourself into thinking you have no chance at wealth is idiotic when too many examples of rags to riches already exist.

Voting for conservative leaders presents oppurtunity.

Voting for liberal leaders presents less self value but a promise of provisions. And I don't trust that promise as they have always failed.

No one except you thinks leftists are moderates. They literally dress in red and black with masks on using violence to stop free speech while media runs protection for them. They are extremists.

Communism is dead kiddo.

Extremists come with extreme times.

dont you hv a protest crowd to drive thru nazi boy?

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I'm not suggesting communism is the better option.

Communism is the result of exploitative labor and a system of labor capture by the aristocracy/plutocracy. Continue the concentration of wealth as we're headed and it will make a comeback. Better to provide equal opportunity for all to advance under a capitalist system but with strong safety nets for all.

Because my mommy and daddy promised me unicorns and rainbows and I still do what I always did when I didn't get everything I wanted.

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