I don't really follow politics and shit but can people who do give me a rundown on this impeachment shit.
It seems to actually be progressing is it possible at all that it will go through or is it just Democrats still angry 4 years later that he won?
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most failtroll shit ever holy shit
reverse psychology
It's a legitimate question.
I don't know how impeachment shit works I don't even know what charges are being brought against him
Then go back to sleep.
Fuck off
Trump got an ambassador fired to circumvent the state department and have his lawyer pressure Ukraine to investigate the Bidens. 400 million dollars of defense funding approved by congress was suddenly frozen after Trump's phone call with Zelensky, to the surprise of most involved and absolutely no explanation to any branch of government.
This all exploded from a whistleblower who's identity isn't confirmed. Congress issued many subpoenas for testimony and documents, which the White House flatly refused all with no clear claim of executive privilege.
Keep in mind the the phone call happened just after Mueller testifying to congress about his report, which found the Trump campaign made contact with shady russians hundreds of times and attempted to keep secret, as well as Russia itself interfering in the 2016 election.
He got away with it the first time, so he did the same shit again, this time with taxpayer money and in total defiance of our laws checking power.
that he's very orange
Did you tell the GOP this when they impeached Clinton over a blowjob? Trump invited a foreign power to interfere in our electoral process.
This is in addition to the strong probability that he laundered money stolen by Russians from the former Soviet Union.
This stuff has all been written about. You are a fail troll.
Now, pay attention, boys: I am not butthurt about this. I am just stating some facts.
One fact is this: The people responsible for how this country goes is the people themselves. Just regular folks. They are the ones who didn't care enough to let a fat joke become president. They are the ones who let the country become the shithole it is, where no one cares and it's every man for himself.
I don't care any more. I used to care. Then, I realized it doesn't matter whether I care or not, because the wealthy control everything. That one percent you've heard about? They control almost all the wealth in the United States.
About 40 percent of the population controls one percent of the wealth. Let that sink in.
So, what I decided was, I would make as much money as I can. Last year, I made $132,000. Going back six years before that, I started off making $75,000 and got raises until I was making $90,000, the got recruited by the company that paid me $125,000 (the other $7,000 came from an investment account).
That, Cred Forumsros, is what matters.
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>It's a legitimate question.
>I don't know how impeachment shit works I don't even know what charges are being brought against him
It is literally just a dog and pony show
My reply >
Listen up OP. No one knows anything. The media and both sides all lie and spin. Anyone who acts like the have it figured out is the farthest from that.
Abandon thread
>*fingers in ears intensifies*
Holy shit, you need some real life experience there AOC.
>Admit I don't know something openly and would like an explanation by people more knowledgeable
>OMG this is the PERFECT chance for me to act tough on the internet
Carry on, big guy.
Not sure what you mean, buddy. But I think you should probably be doing more listening and learning than spouting off.
I won't be replying, because I have work to do.
Quoted wrong person whoops.
My bad
This is why I don't understand America. How the fuck can half the country support this fool? How does that even happen? It's fucking mind boggling.
Nigger the president has admitted to obstructing justice. The only reason he isn't gone is because Republican senators are scared to death of losing their seats. Watergate was about Nixon ordering some stooges to break into DNC headquarters. Trump threatened and withheld aid in order to force a outside government to "investigate corruption" aimed at a political opponent during a soon to be election year. Why wouldn't he ask the DOJ (mind you which he has filled to the brim with sycophant) to investigate Biden instead of a foreign power? Because even the DOJ would know that this is all political bullshit.
>This is why I don't understand America
Because you only see the liberal news slant. You don't see how well our economy is doing and the record unemployment all because of this president. No one reports that because everyone in the media hates him because he speaks his mind and doesn't pander to anyone.
>how well our economy is doing and the record unemployment all because of this president
because those as isolated numbers of larger trends that have been going on since 2009. That's what happens when an economy crashes, it builds back up to record rates.
When Trump brags about stocks being at record highs, he doesn't tell you that every year nets a new high for stocks, because we're in a period of growth, you see.
>him because he speaks his mind
And that typically exposes him being dumb, selfish, and belligerent.
>and doesn't pander to anyone.
Yeah, let's hear from the thrice divorced man who can cite a bible verse how prayer in schools is very important.
So you're saying as long as the economy does well the president is free to break laws?
You don't need a liberal slant to have a negative opinion on the man. All you have to do is listen to the man's words his actions. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see that at best this guy is a shady con man.
*can't cite
He's guilty as fuck of both the obstruction charge and abusing the power of his office but it won't matter because the GOP is his bitch.
He isn't supported by half the country. Roughly 20% of the adult population voted for him in 2016, and a very large number of them only did it because Clinton was worse.
>the president is free to break laws?
When you can show me beyond a shadow of a doubt that he factually broke laws and not just the ramblings of psychotic progressives who have hated him since before he was president, I'll believe you.
> is it just Democrats still angry 4 years later
> Democrats still angry
> angry
An adult would discuss jobs, foreign policy, human rights etc.
A CHILD would be interested in who's happy and who's sad. Children invented "nanner nanner".
The mark of a Trump supporter? They talk about emotions. Like "angry". Like children.
Good god, the left can't meme.
>Asspained Hillary voter detected.
>impeached Clinton over a blowjob
He was impeached because of perjury in the Paula Jones case stupid. Did she give him a bj too?
The man admitted on live television to firing Comey because of the investigation of Russian interference into the election and possible ties to his campaign. That's textbook obstruction of justice.
This is literally the most naive fuckin I’ve only ever eavesdropped on my parents conversations at the dinner table and I’m just a Fox News shill bullshit I’ve ever fuckin read and tbh bro, I’m amused by it.
If they lie if they are racist if they molest women the republicunts will love you and then they will protect the criminal trump and his nothing but felons in his corrupt administration
This is a very, VERY, incomplete summarization of President Trump's impeachment. We're talking normie edition here:
- Democrats declare they want to impeach trump 19 days after she's sworn in. Now all they have to do is wait for a reason to do so.
- A rumor that Trump colluded with Russia to hack/steal his 2016 election win is fabricated. Somehow, it gets the FBI/Barr to look in to it.
- Three years later, it's revealed there was no provable collusion between Trump and Russia to steal the election. He on his own merits just barely won. But this isn't good enough for Democrats.
(Continued next post)
Look at all these jobs bro! It must be because Trump is the best president ever!
>impeached Clinton over a blowjob
wasn't
Moved along from reading your idiocy from there.
Name one (1) law that Trump actually broke.
>after she's sworn in
There you have it folks Trumps a women in menopause. That explains all her crazy antics.
(continued)
- During the Obama presidency, Vice President Biden's son is put on board of a Ukranian oil company's payroll as an executive, because Biden blackmails/whatevers them to do it. Hunter Biden (Joe Biden's son) gets paid a shit ton of money for doing absolutely nothing, and later leaves.
- Flash forward, Trump calls the newly-elected Ukraine president and congratulates him on winning. During the conversation, Trump asks him about some sort of Biden-related corruption thing going on, because Trump does this to all sorts of nations all the time, and it's kinda his job to crack down on corruption.
- Nowhere in the call is there any implication or threat that Trump will stop giving aid and funds if they don't do this (although he has a right to). The Ukrainian president confirms he didn't feel blackmailed.
- The CIA records the call (they record all calls). Someone not involved reads the conversation, and somehow someone even FURTHER involved reads it, and says "Wow I don't like president Trump and wants him removed. This conversation could be spun to do that! I'm a whistle blower now!!!" He tells some people.
- House now run by Democrats uses this to start an impeachment inquiry.
- Due to a series of events, the House decides (with unfounded evidence) that Trump can be impeached on two charges: Obstruction of Congress, and Abuse of Power. NOTHING involving blackmailing or whatever.
- House votes for impeachment, and sends articles to the Senate where they'll decide if he'll be removed from office, and if Pence will become the new president.
- Based on a bunch of legal language and shit which few people actually understand, it's very likely the two charges aren't going to hold up (since they're not really factually based on anything), and the Senate will vote NOT to impeach/remove him from office.
-Trump remains President. He's able to run in 2020. He'll win by a MAJOR landslide. Dems will lose the House. Dems try impeachment again.
Lieing under oath =/= blowjob
My bad?
For no collusion seems like a lot people got indictments. The goal isn’t to protect a party or a person. The goal is to protect America and its democratic institutions. Foreign governments want to rape our system. Going along with them is unpatriotic l.
Just like trump scum keep lying loser you are the minority your criminal president lost the popular vote of the American people to a woman
whenever I see that I know the can meme and you just got a hurt butt over a good one.
You dont even know how the US election process works retard.
He really wasn’t. He was accused of real crimes including perjury and obstruction. They were able to convince people it was about a blow job so that the public would think it was ridiculous- and they succeeded. Trump is tryin the same thing now to take the focus off the actual charges and make it seem like a witch-hunt. People are stupid so it will probably work just like it did for Clinton
Stop seething and screeching to me, it's fucking pathetic.
Abuse of power was the only charge on the table at first.
House wants info from Trump to help them make their case against him.
Trump says " Fuck you! This is a ridiculous witch Hunt. I'm not gonna climb up the stake myself!"
House adds obstruction charges.
I can't speak for others, but there's been no link of Trump with Russia to steal the election.
And let's say he did. Let's say Trump seeked out Russian bots/etc to spread pro Trump memes all over the internet...that's NOT illegal.
It seems only when the Dems suffer due to it that it suddenly becomes illegal. Everything the Dems are doing since 2016 (arguably even before hand) is a mess of emotions and unfounded, misdirected, massive instability.
At this point, Trump or even Conservatives/Moderates/Republicans don't need to do anything...because the Dems are eating themselves in to oblivion.
Dems gave Trump his win in 2016....they're going to do it again for him in 2020.
And that's the funniest part.
Exactly. Trump is the master at looking like a knee-jerking reactionary, when in actuality he and his various advisers are super calculating and have incredible foresight.
Trump wanted the impeachment not only because it'll boost his approval rating, but ALSO because it'll guarantee his spot in history, good or bad.
Yes the popular vote that means so much
Democrats still angry 4 years later that he won. And if they DON'T impeach him in the Senate, he will win again.
What flavor is the DNC koolaid this year?
you forgot REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
ORANGE, of course :)
Joe Bidens son worked for a ukrainian gas company making 50k/month w/ no experience in gas, ukraine, or knowing the language. Said company was being investigated for corruption by a ukrainian prosecutor. Joe Biden, as Vice president, forced ukraine to fire the prosecutor or give up billions of dollars in aid.
Fast forward to early 2019. Ukraine, being famously corrupt, has a new government and prime minister who won on a platform of cleaning up corruption. Trump learns of the above Biden issue, and calls the new PM to among other things ask if he can review what went down for possible corruption. He also withholds aid, but without telling them, and it is eventually released before the original deadline so they would never had known it was delayed at all. He claims this was to verify the new government was actually taking a stand against corruption (again, ukraine was universally acknowledged as one of the top 3 corrupt countries in the world).
Dems say that he threatened to withhold the aid unless Ukraine investigated Biden to gain a political advantage, sort of like Obama wiretapping Trump to gain political advantage for Hilary. Literally every involved party denies this occured, and no investigation of Biden occured, but there's people with hearsay evidence that say it did, so impeachment inquiry occurs.
Trump says this is obvious witchhunt, I will exercise my constitutional rights and refuse to comply. Dems say that, while perfectly legal, is obstructing congress. Dems end up dropping the Ukraine thing (basically admitting it was madeup witchhunt) and only proceed with the completely legal "obstruction of congress" as grounds for impeachment. While a few dems defect, they hold such a majority in the house the partisan majority passes it over the bipartisan objectors.
Now it's in the senate where there is a republican majority, and has a zero percent chance of going any further.
The perjury and obstruction charges were bullshit then just like they are now.
>Hey, Pres. Can you provide us info that'll make you look bad?
Uhh... No thanks
>Obstruction! Now you have to testify!
>Have you done this thing that will make you look bad?
Uhh.... Depends on what 'is' is.
>Perjury!
Same ridiculous shit. Different Pres.
The only thing I will say is that Trump is a fucking idiot. He knew the Dems were giving for him since day 1 and yet he still does stupid shit that will get him in trouble. He's too stupid to hide it. I'll give Biden that; he's smart enough to hide his shenanigans pretty well.
Try looking at the issue dispassionately and without a party affiliation.
If a person is seeking higher office is actively engaging with what is an enemy of democracy to gain power that is a threat to the American way of life.
The fact that you are willing to turn a blind eye for expediency is a little depressing but unsurprising.
>- Democrats declare they want to impeach trump 19 days after she's sworn in. Now
>she's sworn in
you trying to tell us something?
Would you be saying this is Clinton was president and did the same thing?
That’s what it feels like. I can’t believe they won in the end. Putin is a fucking genius
see
Biden got the Attorney General for the Ukraine fired for investigating the company his son works for. Biden then bragged openly about the transaction and the withholding of funds from the USA if the AG was not fired.
Trump asked the Ukraine prime minister to investigate if that were true based on Biden bragging about it.
you think trump is female. gotcha.
If this were the Clinton case I'd have an answer (perjury).
Love it
And Biden, the front runner for the democrats is laying low because he's just as, if not more guilty than Trump! He outright admits, on camera, that he got the former Ukrainian prosecutor dismissed and used bribery to do it. But it's ok because that prosecutor was 'corrupt'.
Left, right, they are all the same in that respect.
Exactly.
I hate to break it to you retarded fuckers but I had a good job when GW Bush was president, when Obama was president (both terms), and I have a good job with Trump as president. So what the fuck do you people mean, Trump is a great president because of all the jobs? What fuckin jobs? Fast food jobs? Nanny app jobs? Do they count prostitution as a fuckin job?
WTF are you talking about?
Cred Forums believes when a republican is president they make all the jobs. they get better jobs! these are the same people without degrees or life skills.
so yes. Cred Forums loves their minimum wage jobs
Great job living in your own little microcosm. I'm happy for you, user.
Now get out and talk to some folks who had no job opportunities under other admins.
I was talking about Hiliary Clinton you fucking incompetent retard.
Oh, so your question was utterly pointless and irrelevant, gotcha.
What if...and this is a big IF here...but....
What IF people from all around the world (Russia included) made the memes that helped him get elected just because they could!? What IF Trump represented to them something beyond political biases?
And most importantly:
What IF they all had an opinion and they expressed their opinion in the form of memes, free to express themselves, with the understanding that the American people aren't merely a bunch of mindless drones who aren't capable of researching a topic and making an informed opinion themselves?
Well since there was no proven connection of Trump with Russia, this apparently happened! It's almost as if people WHO AREN'T Far Left/Far Right Socialist drones are totally capable of taking in even super biased information and determine the truth despite/thanks to it! THIS IS WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A RESPONSIBLE ADULT!
I'm sorry Leftists are use to just being NPC mindless drones, often intentionally misinformed by their opinion keepers (to remove open discussion and inevitable conversion), but most people AREN'T like them! They have brains, and they use it.
What IS worrying, however, is how Dems raise and spend money on representatives in districts outside their own, thus removing them needing to appeal to their own district (and their needs). An opinion is one thing, it's free and malleable, but funding from outside influences despite them is the real problem.
The fact that you are willing to virtue signal ethics when you're implying a political leaning of Democrats (who currently have ZERO ethics or morals to the point where it's destroying themselves) is even MORE of a worry, buddy. Clean your room before you try to fix the world.
fake news
But it's stupid. Of course he was going to lie! It was nothing but a big trap. I mean, would you willfully piss off Hillary if there was a chance not to?
It would be like bringing Trump before Congress to testify about his taxes. He is going to lie.
What pisses me off is this whole double standard. But it is a but ironic: if the impressment of Clinton had been successful, precedent would have been set and today the impressment of Trump would be also. But it didn't, and because the Dems let Clinton slide then, Trump will get off now. So basically, the Dems fucked themselves in this case.
what i heard is the economy is doing well because of what Obama did or the laws he passed or whatever and that Trump is riding on that coat tail. basically not everything a President does while in office wont have an immediate impact on the country. So im more interested what America looks like what 4-8 years from now
The average American is receiving/retaining an extra $3000 dollars every year, thanks both to tax cuts, and economic growth across the board. Take an economics class.
Furthermore, unemployment in almost every sector is at its lowest, especially for minorities like blacks. There's currently not enough people FILLING job roles and we're having a HIRING crisis. THEY CAN'T HIRE ENOUGH PEOPLE!
So if you're not seeing better job opportunities...well...it's your own damn fault, bucko.
That is true sometimes but not in this case. Obama's policies which could have contributed in different sectors were pretty much gutted as soon as Trump took office. Obama's policies were holding the economy back.... Just a bit, throttling it if you will. Perhaps intentionally.
The booming jobs market is directly due to Trump's corporate tax policy, among other things.
But it is going to bite us in the ass. Our deficits are soaring. We will have to pay for this boom eventually. I just hope we add enough tax payers as workers to make up for it and make it not so bad.
We are a country, we manuver like a country, not a sportscar. It takes 4-8 years for big changes to trickle through. Every president's first term is riding out the effects of the previous president's term.
That theory is disproved every single day. If you ever watched the markets and how they react to news, you'd know that.
Part of the billion dollar loan package that Joe Biden held up for Ukraine (because a Ukraine prosecutor was looking into burisma where joes son Hunter "worked") was funneled back to Dems and Reps in congress and thats what Trump wanted looked into.
It's because of his small hands and tiny penis. That's why he is overcompensating.
Trump supporters may deny it but actually collusion is kinda obvious based on the info we have.
Ignore the russians here if you want a real answer.
Trump is abusing his office in several ways.
He has evidence of it, but he's withholding this evidence from in the face of subpoenas. Dems are calling him out.
The R's are having a "trial" where only they can call witnesses and control evidence. The Dems have tried to call additional evidence and witnesses to clarify the issue, but have been disallowed by the R's.
It's by far the worst clown thing that the senate has ever done, and everyone will remember it. People will study this for years. You should watch some of the trail, it's literally on TV and youtube. Judge for yourself about who is being more sincere.
Does any of this matter? Warcrimes should be an impeachable offense but both sides are pro war and war criminals.
Left, right, left, right
Tiny penis fits in younger ladies ;)
"Russians" thanks correct the record fella
Read your diatribe with a half smile. I’ve voted republican since I can vote. Trump lost my vote second time around for reasons personal to me.
Spending money in random districts is something parties do and with citizens united pretty much anyone can dump money where they want.
You are bizarrely focused on memes where I’m more concerned about actual direct attacks on voting infrastructure, databases and disenfranchisement of the American voter. This doesn’t even address the bullshit of gerrymandering that both parties do.
Virtue signaling is a cute catch phrase when you don’t want to take a hard look at reality.
Trump has done some great things. The economy is responding amazingly well to his interventions. NoKo is behaving. Space force was overdue.
That doesn’t mean he is infallible or can undermine our system when it’s inconvenient.
exactly. That person has no idea how economics works.
Nobody's buying this shit, buddy. The economy is a living thing influenced by both temporary and long term influences. The only thing Obama did that was economically friendly was step OUT of the way of US oil companies drilling for oil. Everything else led to economic stagnation and sufferings, both brought on by him AND Bush. Meanwhile as the economy only started to recover under Obama, Trump harbored the precise environment to let it EXPLODE to what it is today.
Once again...go take an economics class and stop pushing Liberal droll that's not based on anything credible other than an ends, and feelings.
>I've voted republican since I can vote.
Sure you did, buddy. Saul Alinksi reminds us that as a revolutionary, it's not your responsibility to be ethical or truthful, so long as the ends are achieved.
You're fooling nobody.
>based on the info we have
You mean the info you were told. If it was obvious, he'd be out of office and in jail. This impeachment has nothing to do with "russian collusion" they found no evidence to continue that particular bullshit investigation.
.>stock market had already recovered well past recession levels in 2016
>unemployment was already under 4% in 2016
>Trump did all this
ok
You should tell your friend Bobby Mueller, he might've missed the memo.
Except everyone everywhere has a defecit, or depends on the US for their respective role in trade. What are they going to do? Stop making shit for us when their economie(s) depend on it?
If America goes in to a recession, then everyone goes in to a recession (or even a depression). Nothings going to happen, and the economic deficit and worth is WAY more complex than simply monetary value.
Of course he is. But what constitutes abuse? I'd say he's simply leveraging the power of his office, the same as all presidents have done. Only now, it's a crime all of a sudden.
The thing is, Trump is not a constitutional scholar or lawyer or really any kind of intellectual, so he doesn't have any idea what 'i' to dot or 't' to cross. And that gets him in hot water.
Had he asked Ukraine to look into this at a different time it would not even be asked twice about. But Trump is reactionary and thought "Ooh, new guy! I'll ask him. He'll be eager to help!"
So basically, this impeachment is about Trump being a reactionary idiot. Different time, different place, same basic question would have had the result Trump wanted and not gotten him into trouble.
Honestly, I am open to a good leftist meme. I actually really want to see one. They simply do not exist. The left absolutely CANNOT meme! For fuck sake
How do you know what Trump thought and all his motivations?
You are the most bizarre and tenacious troll I’ve come across in a while. Nice dubs tho. You don’t want to think about the idea that Trump might not be the god you think he is so it’s easier say anyone who disagrees is a liberal? That’s the mentality of my friends that are already pushing for Ivanka as follow up president. Weird but ok.
Past presidents use the power for the good of the country, at least out in the open.
Trump isn't. He's doing it for personal gain because he doesn't know anything else. Personal gain is his whole entire life. He's like a stupid autistic kid.
It's also obstruction, which he's openly admitted to.
I hate to tell you this, but you're stupid.
I was arguing FOR Trump's policies having a greater effect on the economy than the previous 8 years. Re-read it, buddy.
Policies can have an immediate effect. It v does not take YEARS.
But of course every partisan wants to give credit to their admin. It always goes both ways.
so much butthurt
The sugar rush from these new tax cuts has already worn off, and we're back down to around 2 or 2.5% growth. The job market was already in a pretty solid place when Trump was sworn in, and while he may have done a little to boost the economy on a very short time scale, it's hardly the crazy unleashed potential that was promised when the GOP was pushing those cuts. And now, like economists were predicting before the cuts were enacted, they're significantly contributing to our already stupid high deficit, and those who were so in support of the new tax law are just shrugging their shoulders. The fact that its supporters don't seriously talk about it in public says a lot
it was a question to see if you cared about the principle of the act or do you just care about partisan politics. Sorry you can't comprehend basic shit.
But that's not good, though. Even with what I presume is your assumption of a "good" leftist meme, it's STILL not good. Only strengthens the argument that the Left can't meme.
Reread it. You argued that Trump inherited Obama's economy. That's wrong. You're stupid.
trump sucked off the Panamanian prime steak minister and then withheld the cum until they agreed to buy Russian red rockets. Congress found out and trump tried to bury the records deep in cum, but AOC found out. Now a Jew will become president because trump went faggot.
>the left can't meme
what the right says when a good meme hurts them right in the butt.
try to play it off all you want. we know the truth.
Fair enough. Say, did you know Bill Clinton actually got caught red handed committing a real, not-made-up crime and the Democrat-majority Senate still voted to acquit him? Common law sure is funny sometimes.
No, the left can't meme because it's a fucking peanuts comic they wrote on
Of course he inherited Obama's economy. Every president inherits the others, good or bad. Are you truly autistic?
The truth is your memes are absolute trash. The left can’t ever joke about themselves either so it the old case of likes to dish it out but can’t take it.
so mad
Our Senate is majority republican, and the terms in which the Democrats wanna impeach, it'll only help his approval rating. Plus establishment Democrats have been exposing themselves helly as of late, to the point where they're actively suppressing the "too far left" candidates, even though one of them is clearly leading in the polls.
Establishment Democrats wanna another 4 years of Trump, so they're doing everything to prevent a viable Democratic nomination
>I don't really follow politics
>is it just Democrats still angry 4 years later that he won?
>I don't really follow politics
Sure you don't.
>I don't even know what charges are being brought against him
Sure.
>The media and both sides all lie and spin.
I'm 5'11".
Shaq and I are both taller than Charlie Sheen.
Does that make me tall?
>How the fuck can half the country support this fool?
He was "elected" by 28% of registered voters, most of whom just wanted to laugh at the "liberal" majority as they get upset when he burns America to the ground.
We're living in the end times, user.
Every statement in this post is a lie.
Dat meme doe...
Mueller is a Republican, and probably voted Trump in 2016.
No that one is kind of funny
If it was fair enough then why don't you answer the question?
>Mueller is a Republican
You never heard of a RINO? Yeah they're real
Because I don't care.
>when he burns America to the ground.
Shut the fuck up you histrionic sick libtard.
Being an emotionally dysregulated gender dysphoric autistically screeching self-loathing libtard bending the knee (and over) for his mentally ill lqbtqp overlords is no way to go through life.
Obstruction of Congress... despite separation of powers being a thing and when there is a dispute it then goes to the courts, the Democrats didn't want to deal with the court. The only obstruction was by Democrats.
Abuse of power? Not likely, the Biden corruption stuff was reported on back in 14/15. Biden is on camera admitting to it. Ukraine finally gets a leader willing to fight corruption and Trump wants him to look into stuff and says our AG will be in contact. Just because Biden runs for office doesn't magically make his corruption unable to be investigated. The fact that we were about to give foreign aid to Ukraine also means Trump was obliged to have this looked into. And it wasn't entirely about Joe either but also his son and Crowdstrike.
And before you parrot the Democrat line of Biden being a political rival. Technically he's not yet, he's not the Democrat nominee. But by all means, keep on orange man bad'ing, don't let your TDS hit you on your way out.
>he has a right to withhold aid
No, no he does not. That's why the whistleblower complaint happened in the first place, because the President explicitly does NOT have the authority to withhold money that has been properly delegated by Congress.
>unfounded evidence
[citation needed]
>Ukranian president confirms he didn't feel blackmailed
Zelensky himself and multiple Ukranian diplomats/lawmakers/etc are now known to have explicitly said in private conversations that they don't want to become a pawn in US re-election politics. He has a massive incentive to stay on the US's good side, considering they're still in fucking armed conflict with Russia. They don't want to get involved, or do anything that Trump might perceive as going against him, because they know he's temperamental and impulsive
Clinton lied under oath, got disbarred because of it. He had actual crimes, not the bullshit being done to Trump. But seriously, you're basically running the free world and Monica was the best you could get oral from in the Oval Office? That was honestly the biggest crime. He should have been impeached just on taste alone.
This proves that people like you only give a shit about your team winning. Facts/morals/ethics does not mean anything to you people.
His brother has an investment in a company which has an investment in the security company who says they have never even disclosed that Trump's brother has a minor interest in any of it so it wouldn't have effected the bidding anyway.
.A far cry from how twitter douch is trying to frame it of course.
is this bait or are people really comparing a security company getting a security contract to a single asshat who sat on an amtrak board for "riding trains a lot" getting a position even his father knows he's not qualified for in the country they claim meddled in the 2016 elections.
Under Section 503 of the Foreign Assistance Act, a president “is authorized to furnish military assistance, on such terms and conditions as he may determine, to any friendly country or international organization, the assisting of which the President finds will strengthen the security of the United States and promote world peace.” Section 116 of the act states that the president has authority to withhold military or economic assistance “to the government of any country which engages in a consistent pattern of gross violations of internationally recognized human rights.”
Yes he can withhold aid.
The process of impeacent and removal from office is in place to maintain a democratically elected leader. So that no one man can wrest power from the many.
Trump used office and government assets to directly ask a foreign power to investigate his rivals family and create a scandal. This has been understood as an attack on the constitution, and is kinda starting to push towards an autocracy.
And the process is being lead by Schiff, who fell for a prank call where he thought a Ukranian official was giving him dirt on Trump. Essentially exactly what he's claiming Trump did to be impeached.
OOPSIE.
having family members work in the government is no issue, regardless what political roll you currently hold.
having family members pushed into positions they are not qualified for, where they do fuck all, while funneling huge amounts of money through them via grossly bloated pay, is.
It's funny that you are a) dumb enough to not get that and b) decided to share one of the examples for why the left can't meme, instead.
>inb4 REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Yeah!
And the Obama administration never ever even thought about doing that to Trump when he ran for office. No dossier or nuthin!
The real question is which side can make most political gain out of it.
>No, no he does not.
Stopped there. Don't talk out of your ass user.
I'm sure you aren't more functional offline.
Except that he actually DID NOT do that. The evidence shows something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. NOT a single 'witness' actually corroborated the claims made by the Democrats and the transcripts showed no 'quid pro quo' which is why none of that is in the actual articles of impeachment. The House ran a shit show and now is demanding the Senate does their job for them and do the actual investigation.
What you just said describes your team to a T, as proven last time a President got impeached. Why should I care?
Nah he has it figured the fuck out. Fuck political shit. Get money. Make shit sweet for yourself.
sure kid
>office and government assets
the telephone in his office???
>to directly ask
yea, because asking someone to check out where the smoke is coming from is somehow unconstitutional.
Shouldn't have wasted your time with a women studies degree...
It doesn't matter who has gotten away with it before, it matters that Trump got caught. The law is still there.
Look up the term "precedent". Much of settled law hinges on that.
The Freedom Security Act, an ammendment to the Foreign Assistance Act, says that considerations shall be made on a country's progress towards a democratic system and societal improvements when deciding whether to give aid to that country. Later, the Ukraine Freedom Security Act of 2014 dictates that it is official US policy to help Ukraine restore territorial integrity and maintain military resistance to Russian aggression. All accounts seem to indicate that whenever Ukraine was up for review for further aid, our national securty agencies insisted that it be given promptly. No indication that Ukraine was compromising on their reforms and improvements.
Is there proof of Ukraine engaging in consistent patterns of gross violations of internationally recognized human rights? Has anyone defending Trump provided any justification along this line?
>trying to push crimes on people you don't like, even tho they never did what you claim.
>trying to wish away the fact that people who you like did commit these crimes.
And that's why everyone believes that the left is full of shit.
Even the majority of themselves.
>don't talk out your ass
>don't say anything I disagree with or I won't listen
Are you okay?
Not gonna lie, this is literally the first time I've heard of Obama meddling in Trump's campaign. But precedent would only be set if he had been caught and and impeachment vote was rejected, or if he was impeached but later acquitted by the Senate. To my knowledge, neither of those things happened so there is no precedent.
I green texted you, you fucking moron.
Kill yourself you pathetic little internet faggot cock sucker.
the right can't meme
this has already been shown multiple times you're just a fucking retard.
About 50% of the population has an IQ lower then 99. Let that sink in.
Where did he admit it?
lmao you are an absolute fucking moron if you think anyone in Trump's family is qualified to work in the white house.
>nepotism is fine
dude
No indictments where for collusion. Take any career politicians and investigate the people around them like they did trump and I gauruntee their will be indictments for the same kind of shit the rest got.
Isn't this because IQ is not a fixed value, and an IQ of 100 is always going to be the average? What do you even mean to say with this statement?
If you ignore the actual racial and gender statistics for IQ.
You're voting with third world immigrants who just want peanuts, that's your primary voting base now.
That's who your metro strongholds are along with the rich who benefit from all the cheap foreign labor.
That's why every democrat city gradually becomes just a small group of rich people surrounded by a sea of poor minorities who keep voting for them even though they never really get anywhere.
You guys are forgetting he never said "Biden". He wanted burissma investigated and how the investigator was fired.
Take your pick retard. There's a laundry list. He and Guilliani were naughty boys.
He is the President. Doesn't automatically make him a likable person though.
Mueller specifically said that the only reason he couldn't charge the president is because as of this time you cannot indict a sitting president you fucking dipshit, FOXNews watching, dipshit Trump supporter.
He also said he did NOT exonerate him.
Why do you Trump supporters have to be so fucking stupid?
Obama isnt fat.
Coolie doolie, now can you pick one and name it?
Wow - you are the supreme faggot for the day - suck a nigger dick, faggot
This is too much common sense for /b user.
that's the best you can do.......you just proved anons point.....
Man, you're super simple. You literally proved his point lol.
" What I heard"? From who pelosi?
You sound like a mentally ill cultist.
>Ukraine didn't know the aid was delayed
According to multiple documents, the ukranians definitely knew the aid was being blocked, and it was apparently a big source of concern for them
>Obama wiretapping Trump
These allegations still have yet to be verified by any reputable agency, unless you're just going by the word of conspiracy bloggers
>Dems dropping the Ukraine thing
Are you high? That has been the biggest part of their argument through this entire procedure, and was a major focus during the opening arguments at the trial yesterday
Did anyone ask him if he exonerated the person he investigated for over a year? It's almost like he was out to get someone but didnt have the goods, huh.
>Media brings fake news
This message is brought to you by the White House.
Unemployment was not below 4% in 2016.
It's almost like he was investigating whether a crime occurred. It's almost like he was doing his job. It's almost like his report says the presdident was not exonerated by his findings.
That's the level of rhetoric you would expect from a trumptard. Never change you predicable moron.
You sound like a modern republican when you say the only thing that matters is your family paycheck(s) and the economy. That's the immediate need, yes, but there's so much fucking more when you're not a short term thinker.
my bad, meant to say 5%
Too bad the Dems candidates will blow the fucking ceiling off our debt limit with all their free giveaways .
It's almost like he didnt have the goods but wanted to throw the rabid media a bone,amirite?
"Former" is inappropriate here. You should cite him as "Adm. William McRaven, USN (Ret.)"
Top kek.
Let's just say that Monica is the only one we know about. I'm sure horndog bill was slaying it.
more like this?
Free giveaways? You mean like the ones the GOP is always trying to give to the rich even though trickle down economics has never been shown to work, and only drive us further into debt?
Those giveaways?
>Ostracizing the poor costs nothing.
>such crying
Let the butthurt flow through you. I bet Hill promised that faggot something good.
Why? Just because he didn't say "absolutely nothing wrong happened", that means he's automatically a shill? Nuance and shades of gray exist, and need to be considered
I'm sure if Biden gets elected , Schiff will start impeachment hearings on him. Biden admitted to doing what trump was accused of.
Nope. That one's backwards and has unnecessary commas. "William McRaven, who served as a SEAL and retired as an admiral, destroyed…"
>"The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it..."
Obstruction of Justice timeline 10. And you can't say "proof?" To that because he's done it on video and in text form.
Don't worry. Biden's not getting elected.
SAGE
tariffs faggot!!!!!! check out Obama vs trump stock market and tell me who's the cuck
He was crying that 40% don't have lots of money. 40% of this country is stupid. See the connection? The problem isn't gates, musk, zuckerburg.... It's the double digit iq retards who can only do minimum wage jobs.
/thread
My bullshit senses are tingling. If there's proof it's not unreasonable to ask you to show me.
Pretty much this in a nutshell.
Even so, it doesn't have to be Trump getting elected either. It's okay to be a republican and still recognize Trump for the aging, senile old man he is. Elect a competent republican please.
>It seems to actually be progressing is it possible at all that it will go through or is it just Democrats still angry 4 years later that he won?
the dems were mad that bush won both times and didn't bother to impeach him.
Trump has surrounded himself with sycophantic blowhards and constantly assails the office he represents.
what fucking previous president has lugged himself, his security, staff and guests to pay himself to golf on his own golf courses and paying himself to stay at his own hotels, fully funding his golf spree on the taxpayers dime
They made Carter give up a fucking peanut farm, for christ's sake. And this orange balloon is flaunting his indiscriminate abuse of his office while our GOP senate sticks a thumb in each ear and rolls over.
the fucking twat had the arrogance to ask an ally to ask another ally to mediate peace with Iran, and fucking assassinated the god damned mediator. Yeah, the guy was a piece of shit, but Trump literally blew a guy out under the fucking olive branch.
There's norms that decent fucking people, decent fucking societies live under. Trump just does whatever the fuck he wants.
At least they deescalated after that shitshow. I don't know if Pence decided to poke his pucker or what, but fucking Trump was basically panting at the damned mic when he gave that speech. I was half expecting the guy to fall over.
I served under fucking bush, and while I disagreed with his policies, the guy always presented himself as trying to do the right thing from his perspective.
trump's a fucking clown, and you stupid motherfuckers need to do better.
>thanks, libtard
That's the DNC talking point however, if he proved a crime was committed then the house would have impeached him for it. And you can't really exonerate someone for something like this. He didn't prove it but can't disprove it. There's a difference and meullers job was to prove it, not disprove it.
Are you retarded?
Facts hurt your fee fees?
>Right wing websites cut out overnight in secret court hearing
>Doctored video of first day of trial on all websites
HURR DURR GOYIM U BUYING OUR GARBAGE OR WUT
so you're a Bernie fan
>> or is it just Democrats still angry 4 years later that he won
Think for yourself. You got this from a Trumpnut talking point. It makes no sense, not with an election a year away that will finally put this fucker in the ground.
>having family members pushed into positions they are not qualified for, where they do fuck all, while funneling huge amounts of money through them via grossly bloated pay, is.
you sound supportive of trump, yet this is literally what trump is doing
the dude had to fucking force them to give a god damned security clearance because the fucktard did not qualify for one
nepotistic fucking bullshit
>Facts
well at least you admit they are facts
And you 'tards say the left can't meme.
>competent
>republican
Pick one.
Yikes, it just keeps getting worse
btw: prosecutor was removed because he WASN'T investigating corruption
He does seem to be the only game in town. Shame he's so old, though. Everybody else wants to keep the country enslaved to the war machine.
>cites three corporatist shills
>call 'em democrats
politifact.com
literally fucking lies you god-damned shit-eating moron.
the democrats would toss anybody that said anything close to that shit on their ass in half a heartbeat.
My apologies. I didn't know you were pic related retarded
Not the guy you initially replied to, but the way trump blocked the ukraine aid seems to have violated the Impoundment Control Act, which limits how any president can interfere with funds authorized by congress. That law says it's only okay to defer funds for the following
1. to provide for contingencies
2. to achieve savings made possible by or through changes in requirements or greater efficiency of operations; or
3. as specifically provided by law.
I only have a basic understanding of this law, but it was passed after Nixon refused to spend funds that congress had already legally appropriated.
For trump's case, there doesn't appear to be evidence that his decision fell within these requirements, therefore he's in violation of the law. The important point seems to be if a president is blocking spending for policy, rather than administrative reasons, i.e. they disagree with a particular policy rather than trying to improve spending efficiency. The president must also notify congress when any money is withheld for any reason, which trump didn't do. A president also can't hold up spending past its expiration date, because that would effectively be bypassing congressional spending authority. Because the Ukraine aid was held up long enough that not all of it was able to be spent, some argue that trump also violated that part of the law. The money was reappropriated by congress, but that doesn't change the fact that some of it was allowed to expire in the first place
And this is how Hamilton foretold our current president.....
When a man unprincipled in private life desperate in his fortune, bold in his temper, possessed of considerable talents, having the advantage of military habits—despotic in his ordinary demeanour—known to have scoffed in private at the principles of liberty—when such a man is seen to mount the hobby horse of popularity—to join in the cry of danger to liberty—to take every opportunity of embarrassing the General Government & bringing it under suspicion—to flatter and fall in with all the non sense of the zealots of the day—It may justly be suspected that his object is to throw things into confusion that he may “ride the storm and direct the whirlwind.”
― Alexander Hamilton
Nope..OP is right. He can find guilt or say he cant prove there was any.
that was an excellent quote to pull
Fake News
snopes.com
>Clarke later acknowledged that the quotations were made up
samefag strawman
You are more retarded than I thought. Each one of those quotes are easily searchable. Democrats want nothing to do with the Constitution. It gets in their way
still samefag
This is the propaganda answer
Day 1, opening statements in the trial, dems cried that they needed more time, despite claiming they couldn't push the proceedings fast enough.
Day 2, they reaping the same old tired Ukraine rhetoric, and attempt to add witnesses unlawfully after the trial starts.
Day 3 ??? Rightist and anti vax websites blocked by secret court order out of California,
Soon, her name shall be revealed.
Slide that, shills.
I posted a source to prove my assertion. You've hand-waved and pretended at sources you can't be bothered to link because they don't fucking exist.
This is a pretty good showing of the difference between our parties, you boot licking twat.
And this is the blind faith answer
Fixed that for you.
>wrong
>Each one of those quotes are easily searchable.
Yes, Mr Troll, and it all leads back to Snopes.
Besides, it's pretty obvious nobody would ever say the things in the quotes.
i'm betting you didn't give a shit when obama did 50+ things that were unconstitutional or otherwise immoral, so i don't have to wonder why you suddenly care now.
And then there's H. L. Mencken…
Let me guess, you think Democrats are mr. Dumass.
If they hadn't added the words this would be top tier meme, too bad lefties always have too much to say.
That's an odd drawing of Obama.
>current year, still believing socialism is anything more than an equal sharing of misery
k
Glad we agree that trump broke the law and should be punished.
>Doesn't know what impeachment is
Confirmed retard
I'm not sure how anyone can claim that trump is innocent. It's painfully obvious that he broke the law. The party of law and order should make an example out of trump.
Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just…
– Thomas Jefferson
jesus fuck
those babies went wrong ages ago
put lots of blankets in with them before you put them down for their next nap
It's just Murricah
What law?
If the reps, who controlled the fucking house and senate, didn't bother to impeach obama for high crimes and misdemeanors, that isn't a statement against the dems, but the reps that were charged with keeping him in line.
the reps loved obama. they screamed about nothing for eight years straight. they could have ripped out obamacare a dozen times by now. but they don't. because its fucking great to have medical care.
>"it got more expensive"
because obama actually worked with the other side, and they demanded employees pay a larger fucking cut
medical costs stayed the same, businesses just didn't pay as much, and that evened out within a couple years.
but being able to be sure when you join new insurance they won't throw up their arms and say "not covered" because you were sick before you got there?
that's not something you can get rid of without your base actually noticing. you can blather and froth and claim you will while doing nothing however.
obama's biggest crime was assassinating an american on foreign soil who was actively participating in a terrorist organization against the united states. he wasn't under a flag of peace or any other special circumstance. he was annihilated just like his buddies, because he was literally a fucking terrorist jackass.
if they had wanted to impeach for that, they could have. they didn't. why? who knows. you voted them in. why don't you write them and ask?
he might get it in 2024.
Conservatives obviously didn’t either since Obama wasn’t impeached. Imagine that. Perhaps you’re just full of shit.
[citation needed]
en.wikipedia.org
That's ironic since you give the Dems blind faith.
Are you retarded or merely pretending?
They're fake memes made by a leftie look how many words there are.
Not even a good con man. Lies on lies on lies, and so transparently untrue, but people willfully ignorant cannot be helped.
If I’m being honest, and I mean no offense (technically) but, I don’t give a shit that other people aren’t able to find a good job. That isn’t a metric the office of the president has any control over. The market fluctuates, that’s how capitalism works. The fact that YOU can’t find a job is directly related to YOUR personal circumstances. I decided once at the start of mid-life that I didn’t want to work for like a year. There was no real reason. I just didn’t want to fuckin work anymore. So I didn’t. I had about 30 grand saved up and I basically lived off of my savings until it ran out. Then I got another job. I got no college degree. I mean, I took some classes here and there, got a couple of diplomas in electronics and repair. I’ve had skill sets that allow me to find decent work all of my adult life. And now I work in technical support. I digress but my real point is Ive been lazy in my life and when I don’t feel like finding a good job, I don’t fuckin have one. But when I decide I want a better one, I get it with very little effort. I’m a working man. A skilled laborer. And I can tell you there’s no fuckin shortage of jobs for people who aren’t fuckin lazy bootlipped liberal fuckin faggots who understand how to get shit done. Those people don’t fuckin care who the president is. I always vote for the independent because fuck all of you. When I hear about how hard it is for people to find work and I look at having worked my whole fuckin life, the fact that I’m “non-white”, never took a handout and I own my home and all my shit is paid off, I find very little sympathy for people like you.
dems will cast one another down for any sign of unamerican or unethical bullshit.
reps literally trying to vote the fucking pedophile in because he's not a lib.
wholly shit, you guys. fucking grow some morals. and if you're gonna claim the bible, at least read it first. I have. It's fucking trash.
Prove it
>look how many words there are
illiteracy in action.
Obama played ball with the Deep State. Trump didn't. That's literally it. The Democrats approved giving Trump more money to bomb people, they dont actually think he's a Russian spy.
Pretty sure giving money to a corrupt country would fall into “reasonable means to withhold funding” the president can block aid as per the contitution and the constitution is a higher authority then your little impoundment control act last time I checked.
Get lawyered on cuz
You're defending their narrative.
He suspended habeus corpus. Also committed many more drone strikes on civs than Bush. Also increased spying on american citizens. Tortured whistle blowers. Setup cages for mexican kids. But it's fine when the left does it. Right? Right.
>I don't follow politics and shit
Confirmed retard who's afraid to be confronted by the world around him. YOU ARE DEMOCRACY'S BIGGEST FLAW.
Kek they can’t name it
It’s like the russian collusion hoax all over again
Oh you mean like Hilary calling out her rapist husband? Oh, wait...
holy shit we're getting shit on by the fucking help desk.
that's an entry level tech job you fucking boob.
>no college degree
>couple of diplomas
A+ certification isn't a diploma, jackass
Not even American and I know that it's petty bullshit. Trump will come out of this better than he went in.
HES FINE.. 4 MORE YRS!!!
They have no actual argument.
His support has been strengthened by this. It's hilarious.
Wow, with all this evidence of impeachable offenses the republicans really are the nicest politicians on the planet for not moving to impeach Obama. Either that or you are still full of shit.
None of this is true
>Oh you mean like
nah. like when Weiner got caught sharing his namesake and they fucking expulsed him.
bill's shit came out mostly after his presidency, save the pig he cigared, and I would have no problem with his getting reamed over it.
Your post indicates you are completely uninformed. You are a fucking moron. All of this is easily verifiable and known by almost everyone with a shred of intellect. I barely follow politics and all of this shit has made headlines. Now go eat shit.
So if they're not impeached, a President didn't do nuffin?
if obama did all that and the reps didn't impeach him, they were traitors then as well as now
I manage it, idiot. 70K suits me just fine while you’re trying to find a league of legends tournament to join ya fuckkn jew
And yet he's never been denounced. Biden and his son got caught doing shady shit in Ukraine and the Dems impeached Trump for looking into it. Yup, the Left totally calls out their own.
republicans literally operate on rule 11.
>all of your carefully picked arguments can be ignored
They're all traitors you idiot
Hoes mad that president Toupee did an illegal thing and Bitch McConnel doesn't want to have witnesses to the trial because hoes mad that president yuge did something illegal. Personally I don't want him impeached, he gets hoes mad and his twitter is funny.
I believe Obama did shit, but I also believe conservatives wouldn’t have passed up any chance to get rid of him for any impeachable offenses.
>He suspended habeus corpus
That was the Bush Family Wehrmacht and their USA PATRIOT Act.
you only make 70k managing?
learn to fucking program. seriously, we make way more event just doing baseline shit.
it's not too hard. start with python, then hit some C and probably c# or java if you want more corporate type shit.
you can do better.
You tell 'em, Shlomo!
>Doesn’t follow politics and shapes world view based on media.
Yes, sure. I’m the uninformed one.
Why would they? He supported the MIC.
I haven't said anything about their narrative. I called you out for dismissing something as propaganda without even trying to justify it
Lol imagine hating gays and interracial couples. Must be antifag
>shapes world view based on media
Nothing wrong with that.
Media is intensely out of touch with science.
They probably just didnt have the cover the dems do from the media.
So is the general population
Why do you even try? Top kek.
You shot your own post in the foot talking about science instead of saying "the average american.
Yes, that makes up for having the wrong economics. You surely don’t want to replace the person you think is destroying the nation with welfare & healthcare reforms.
Keep drinking the Kool-aid.
The constitution doesn't say the president can block congressional spending for any reason. It has always been an assumed power, rather than an explicit one.
Also, Ukraine's corruption problems have been known for ages, and yet our national security agencies have repeatedly felt confident enough that they were making significant enough improvements to warrant continued aid. So who exactly are you listening to?
And the truth. Corporate Media is just a mouth piece for the Deep State.
They don't really care about that.
Mainly because of media. Difference is that journalists is supposed to be educated and be able to properly review sources.
It's funny how everyone quotes the Constitution to fit their bullshit