Explain to me the following:

7

Technically, more people die because they are fat pigs than from Gus.

And, more people die in cars than from guns.

Can you go in order and voice your outrage over fat people and cars? THEN we will work on guns.

M'kay?

Posting on Cred Forums is absolutely going to further your goal and benefit humanity. Keep it up, guys.

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The US government lost the war in Vietnam and they had some sticks and trees. It's not about winning, it's about not going down without a fight. You would rather citizens just accept a tyrannical government willy nilly. And history shows it's happened many times over.

You're the kind of people that give up all your rights and liberties at the first sign of danger. "Big brother will protect me, that's what my 2nd grade teacher said."

>7

And do you want them to have firearms?

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Hey...you may be on to something! If we banned cars then fat people would have to ride bikes. If fat people rode bikes then they wouldn't be fat! Winning!

>Good guys with guns never save the day retard

even the fucking FBI admits that good guys with guns are over 95% successful at stopping mass shooters, dipshit.

And for thousands of other stories of good guys prevailing, look beyond the MSM... even Reddit has a sub for it, and they're retarded.

I couldn't give a fuck about guns, i'm just sick of seeing this same shit being posted over and over.
>1 provocative image of military hardware
>2 guberments wouldn't use that hardware on populace
> vietnam and afghanistan examples of ragtag militias pwning such hardware.

There, we can close the thread now

Doesn't matter what we want. Freedom isn't meant to make you feel safe.

I think they are idiots. I don't think they are violent.

You asked the wrong question.

I think my wife is a shitty driver but she's probably not going to roll over anyone.

and here we are almost 20 years into Afghanistan and still haven't stomped out the goatfuckers with AKs that the stocks have rotted off of lol

>Technically, more people die because they are fat pigs than from Gus.

Being fat doesn't kill other people.

>And, more people die in cars than from guns.

Those are accidents. Hardly anyone uses a car deliberately kill someone. Also cars are designed for transportation and traffic is regulated by laws which have reduced the number of fatalities.

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the government was protecting Epsteinand look what happened. ill protect my self bru

According to the CDC there are 2.5 million defensive gun uses per year.

It's not the aging Soviet artillary, it's the goat fuckers have the home field advantage

Fucking USSR couldn't get them. We're just round 2 of same thing.

>If the military isn't going to turn on the citizens anyway, why do you need a gun to defend yourself from the government?

just ask the Kulaks, Chinese, Cambodians, Jews, Armenians, etc how they'd have felt about having weapons...

>why do you need a gun to defend yourself from the government?
As a queer black man i need all the defense i can get. now fuck off and leave me alone

A word is coming to mind:. Deflection

;-)

Got a cite for that? I believe it, I've just never seen the citation so I'm leery of making that claim. I've had multiple moments where I was close to drawing, luckily I was able to de-escalate before it came to that.

>Freedom isn't meant to make you feel safe.

Well, what is it meant to make you feel?

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Oh I know, I've spent a couple of years in Afghanistan. We'll never "win".

We're just there for a foothold in the region for when Iran gets froggy.

>A word is coming to mind:. Deflection

Apparently, you have no idea what that word mean.

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Free...

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>emoticons on Cred Forums

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>gun control
>reasonable
No such thing faggot. Shall not be infringed.

All Criminals don't automatically have their own exclusive club membership to Guns R' Us. In other countries, it is much harder for criminals to get hold of guns. They can, but it's a lot more rare. In the long run this means fewer gun related deaths. This has proven time and time again and only dumb burgers don't understand it.

>If the military isn't going to turn on the citizens anyway

It's almost never the actual military.
Governments usually can't afford to offer enough benefits to the entire military to get them to turn on their own countrymen so they focus on turning smaller federal level policing agencies into terror groups.
The Gestapo, the Cheka, ect ... are always the primary forces of tyrants, it's how they gain control over the actual military too.

Gun control is tyranny.

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There will be no meaningful contact with the armed forces. The contact will be with politicians. The u.s. armed forces will never fire on its own people. Any politician who tried to order them to would never survive literally or politically. We're divided but we're not so divided that we'll accept violence against our countrymen by the armed forces. Cops? Maybe to a point. Soldiers? Never.

So to reduce the number of gun related deaths, it's a good idea to make a law forbidding citizens from owning laws, or maybe just the big ones. Where do you draw the line between how much you're willing to give up in the name of being safe?

The whole gun thing to me is not about the statistics, it's about the government interfering with the lives of its citizens as little as possible.

the military branches are armed and trained to take out infrastructure, cripple a nation's ability to function and make them easy to invade. the government isnt going to do that to itself. it needs you to go to work and keep the economy going to wage war.

when they come for you ot will be police, swat, ice... it will be illegal searches, home invasions and workplace audits. we protect ourselves against that by demilitarization of the police and arming ourselves.

They regularly stop violence more effectively than cops.

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Is this clear enough for you to stop shitposting, you liberal brainlet? Kys

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How does the government recruit so many people to spread its propaganda? It's baffling. For free too.

>why do you need a gun to defend yourself
If you're not going to break into my house you don't need to worry about it.

Feeling isn't a factor. The function of freedom IS the freedom. So self evident it doesn't need a premise.

>just in case

lol, in Nazi Germany civilians had weapons Americans can only dream of.

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Lemme know how preferable stabbings are to shootings. Especially when the supreme court ruled the cops are not required to defend you.

Imagine being heated because people want to remove an admentment that was designed for the civil war LMAO. You dont need a gun boomer, just give em up.

>republitard logic: mah ar-15 will defend me aginst thah teerinny of a Spooky gunship durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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>How does the government recruit so many people to spread its propaganda?

So Trump is having people do pro-gun control propaganda, you asshat?

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dudes will be clutching their guns while their skin melts off from the nukes. Smallest fucking brains out there

The police aren't part of the military.

A c130 gunship would be so disastrous to local infrastructure it would never be approved for firing or likely even deployment.

I didn't exactly mean it literally. But you already knew that, you buttcap.

>For 1 month - February 2018 - London, one of the cities with highes crime rate in Europe, had an higher murder rate than on of USA's safest cities
>London has 1.2 homicides every 100, 000 people, and USA has 5.0 per 100,000
>Aaaaand that's why gun control don't work

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why couldn't they beat a bunch of rice farmers or goat herders then?

lol

>Vietnamese rice farmers did pretty well.

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Actually user, there’s a corporation that pays people to troll sites like Cred Forums. They shitpost agenda like this thread and are very left wing. Also I would suspect a large majority of LBGQT, cuck posts etc. I cannot recall the company’s name but I cannot make this shit up. Also OP I wish you a painful death in a dumpster fire.

I love how pro-gunners always start off with "what if the military turns on us" but when pointed out that if that were to happen the military has far larger weaponry, they always pull out the "so diastrous to local infrastructure". So which is it? Will the military kindly lay down and let some hicks shoot them? Or would they respond the same way as if it were a terrorist threat? Fucking retard

Who in our government do you think is going to nuke the USA you stupid fuck?

Morons abuse the system to shoot at schools and walmarts. Solve this and you can keep your toys.

This.

Source? Or do you consider all opposing ideas to be propoganda?

>How many people in your daily life do you consider to be idiots?
I just added one. Congrats.

in the event of a civil war, justified or not, enough of the military will side against those in revolt that is will be necessary to be armed enough to mount a long term asymmetric campaign

"If the people of hiroshima had guns, they'd still be alive today" hur fucking dur

Because American
and like to play at being wild west cowboy.

One word: Vietnam.

Tell me more about how 320 million armed citizens can't defeat a military of 1.3 million with bigger, better weapons.

No need for that. Just block the streets. Their 7/11 will run out of food in a week. They'll run out of bullets in a couple of days (bullets to kill ratio is 1:200000 or more in a war, look it up)
You'll have them surredering in 2,3 weeks top.

But I don't think we truly solve a violence issue by banning the weapons. Couldn't they just use other weapons? You're trying to reduce casualties, but it's not a good idea to give up rights in order to seek safety.

Its hilarious how they think guns in the present day cause anything but death

Criminals in my country (Norway) don't easily have access to guns.
It doesn't mean that _none_ have guns, but Joe Schmo the pot dealer doesnt, and neither does Itchy Fingers Dave the thief.

As a professional troll, I can tell yo guys you are being trolled successfully. And giving me a good laugh too.

What other weapons? There are no headlines such as "Mass school stabbing" are there? "Local man kills 5 using cheese grater" is not a thing you fucking trombone

> Obviously has no retort
> Resorts to saying hes just trolling

Get the fuck out of here cuck

>I just added one. Congrats.

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Most of the gun deaths in the US are from suicides, so if we addressed mental health issues we could cut gun deaths in half.

>But I don't think we truly solve a violence issue by banning the weapons.
We're not trying to solve violence. We're trying to close a loophole that allows dipshits easy access to machinery that amplifies violence.
>Couldn't they just use other weapons?
Like what? A shovel based school massacre?
> but it's not a good idea to give up rights in order to seek safety.
Yes it is, what the fuck? Those privileges designed to keep a balance of power after an insurrection when musket was the deadliest shit you could get. They didn't have the foresight for any of this shit, how could they? One of the most dominating traits of a human brain is our ability to evolve based on new information. Fucking evolve then.

Damn chicago gangs commiting suicides

Hicks will never have a reason to engage them in meaningful quantity. On a different note it's a very different idea to throw heavy ordnance about in a foriegn nation where the damage is usually not a detriment to us civilians than it is to directly blow up towns roads houses sewer systems, commercial industrial centers of innocent civilians in YOUR OWN COUNTRY. What politician would agree to sign their own political suicide note that way? Your argument is laughable.

European here. We had civil revolts and wars since before we invented iron or toilets. And I can assure you : that's NOT how the military works.
They will slaughter people and then say "I were just following orders"

They're hung up on remnants of the civil war. How fucking amazing is that. Niggas had muskets and these guys think it applies to their AR's

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Regional_High_School_stabbing

Bill of Rights, no Bill of Needs.
You have nothing to do with my life, and I don't have to explain anything to you, ever.

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It's a bad idea to give up your rights and freedoms to the government in search of "safety". How many shootings have you witnessed in your own life? Barely anyone these days experiences them, because we live in a much safer society than we used to. So why is there a need to ban weapons? To reduce crime to 0? Don't be naive, we need to keep some freedoms so the government knows its limit. If it wasn't for the "right" wing constantly pushing back and refusing to throw away their freedoms, the "left" would have turned all countries into communist dictatorship dystopias by now.

So lets say the US had a revolution. You think the person in power will lay down their fucking arms and say "Ok, no nukes?" Are you that dense? LIke okay lets just go down easily. You need to take a step outside bud.

You were just pretending to be retarded? Had me fooled buttercup.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Regional_High_School_stabbing
> but all survived

Amazing, isn't it? When you dont have something that can instantly end peoples lives from x feet away, everyone survives! Thank you for strengthening my arguement

Cops are not military.

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Don't be mad cupcake. I wasn't the guy that trolled you and hurt your ego. I'm just letting you know ya got trolled. kek

Now THAT is what I call propoganda. Holy fuck, thats the most close-minded thing I think I have ever heard.

because thats just another bullshit reason they use to try and justify having a gun.
the only argument they really have is "fuck off, i like guns".

Is that all you're gonna say? So "ban guns cus it makes us safer" is open minded, and what you disagree with is close minded. lol

Ah yes, let's fire upon government employees, thereby giving them probable cause to torch an entire area. Are you dense? If those protesters had guns, every single one of them would be dead

> So "ban guns cus it makes us safer" is open minded
Statistically speaking, yes

She’s gonna bomb Y’all

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So is banning cars and knives and McDonalds.

We had a couple in australua last year not sure about 2018. Wasnt covered much though and there was one in new zealand and knife attacks are up in the uk. Not to mention grenade attacks etc. Your facts are wrong.

>All Criminals don't automatically have their own exclusive club membership to Guns R' Us.

That's right, they don't. You know who does? We do.
To make a commercial purchase of a firearm in the United States, you have to have the gun mailed or delivered to a dealer with a Federal Firearms License, who must have you fill out a form containing your name, address on your driver's license, and a number of questions about your background, conduct a federal criminal background check before handing the firearm over, and then store that information permanently in case law enforcement ever needs it. The only way around this is to buy at a gun show or from a friend or relative who did not take possession of it intending to sell it to you in the first place.

This is the club that we all have to be a part of to legally own firearms. And criminals do not give a single shit about the consequences of disobeying these laws.

That's fucking retarded. Let's take this to its logical conclusion. War is going badly with your populace so you decide to just nuke your own lands. After you've killed the uprising (likely a very sizable portion of the working men of the country) the now poisoned land is uninhabitable. The habitable lands are unfarmable from fallout. Animal farms are now useless. You've turned your country into north Korea. A meaningless victory. Now what?

In Somalia you'll be shot just for being white.

I have been living in the US for a decade. Affection for gun ownership has nothing to do with guerilla warfare or overthrowing government. It's a historical and cultural issue. Sort of like trying to take a grandpas katana from a Japanese.
Also in the beginning of American history, on the frontier, there was no government or protection so gun ownership was a must. And this tradition goes on.

I live in Texas and love the idea that you can purchase a forearm easily and hold a Ruger or M&P instead of your dick in your hand when the burglar comes to steal and rape your wife. Also a reason why there are no mass shootings in Texas, everyone is packing so if a psycho pulls a gun he will be down in 5 seconds.

I didn't know cars and knives and mcdonalds were the leading weapons used in murdering people? Hm, TIL. Glad our soldiers have those cars, knives, and mcdonalds to defend themselves

And yet they are still being shot. Cant defend yourself but they would rather die for freedom. Can you say the same.

is that a chink only tattoo?

USSR couldn't get them because we were giving them weaponry to drop their helicopters and torch their tanks because we had to proxy war on the Russians just like they did in Vietnam .

There are only two workable solutions for conflict in t he middle east and we don't have the balls for either of them. Option 1) stay out completely. If you don't give them a common enemy they are perfectly happy killing each other. This means no sticking our noses in "for the children" no humanitarian aid, no sanctions or UN condemnations, nothing. If they're lining the streets with dead babies on poles our only response should be, its their country to do as they please. Option 2) kill them all and leave the wreckage. If you go into war with the thought of minimizing collateral damage you are going into a war you can't win. The Middle East represents over a thousand years of vendetta culture. If you kill a few here and there you are creating a forever war. To win you must think in terms of extinction and burnt earth.

What?

The leading weapons used in murdering people. So wait, you just want to ban murder. EZ PZ.

Again she will still bomb you

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During the civil war they had gatling guns and cannons, they were plenty aware of how good military arms are at killing civilians.

The current police state with squads of paramilitary goons conducting no knock raids without any type of public oversight is exactly what the founding fathers were trying to prevent.

“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”

― George Orwell

The cabal super rich elite want to disarm us before we realize they have enslaved us.

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Precisely. You're actually thinking. Let's take a step back and say another country is nuking us. Do we nuke them back? By your logic, of course not as we would sour their lands!!

Now lets say there is a revolution and you know at the end of the day you will most likely be dead (as you are the commander in chief). Do you lay down and take it?

You do knowstabing people kills them. That us why tge uk is baning pointed knives.
As well as grenades in Sweden etc.

So I can blow the jaw off of those lying scumsuckers, that they can't lie to the brainwashed public anymore.
Tell me if the "elite" are so powerful, why are they so afraid of a cheap hunk of metal?

>sticks and trees
Study up on the actual facts of the Vietnam war. Russia and China competed to see who could pour the most billions in aid, weapons and technical personnel, and China promised to send a million troops if the US invaded. Fear of involving two nuclear powers against us limited our ability to cross borders where the VC continually retreated. Only when we gave up the stupidity after 11 years was the utterly helpless South Vietnamese army overwhelmed. Nobody beat us in Vietnam. We beat ourselves.

>implying if that was even remotely true the government is the only entity you'd need to protect yourself from

Ever heard of niggers?

because im an individualist and believe anyone should have the right to have whatever the fuck they want

I wonder what would happen if guns were to be eradicated there too? Wouldnt you say the police would then have no weapons to fire upon said protesters? Do you understand anything above a 4th grade level?

This is great. You completely disregarded the actual arguement and instead went to baiting. Are you all out of ideas? Cmon now boomer, go to bed

Historically the leaders flee or kill themselves. If that person is going to nuke the country as they begin losing was there ever sunny stopping them? It was be rolled over and killed or nuked and killed. Using your logic of just not laying down and taking it, what motivation is there not to resist?

i live in europe and we dont have guns here and the criminals that do have guns are not braindead niggers who rob stores they are gang membesr who only use guns against other gangs. So here no guns work. But if i lived in a country full of niggers like you guys i would not step a foot outside my door without a gun

Yeah of course it was more complex than the way I put it. The point is, it's more dangerous for the government to impose tyrannical laws on its citizens if the citizens are armed. They can try to take it by force, but it won't be as easy as taking it from an unarmed populace. Maybe the potential bloodshed is enough for them to think twice. But if there is hardly any resistance then maybe it's just simply writing some laws down on a piece of paper.

Show me where mass stabbings are overtaking mass shootings. Please. Show me the statistics that say stabbings are more cumbersome than shootings. I'll wait

No, you first said statistically banning guns makes us safer. I then said that banning cars knives and McDonalds do too. You then added the specific "murdering people with guns" The only difference between those is the murder part, hence, you wish to ban murder.

>During the civil war they had gatling guns and cannons, they were plenty aware of how good military arms are at killing civilians.
The foresight part was about drones and assault rifles not gatling guns and cannonss, what the fuck are you talking about? If they had the foresight to make a light version automatic weapon that fired at a rate faster than the old gatling guns why didn't they make them?
> without any type of public oversight
They're called warrants and they're a matter of public record, Cletus.
>“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
Sure, like I said solve the mass shooting problem and you can keep your toys.
>The cabal super rich elite want to disarm us before we realize they have enslaved us.
Your president is a billionaire, you fucking retard. The same president that's pandering for you to "Keep your guns" Do you even understand the shit you're saying? By your own rationale you're already enslaved and they're using your own principles to keep you shackled and controlled because they're shouting the shit you want to hear. That's not raising any red flags in your skull?

So I can shoot you in the goddamn face, and end the lies once and for all.

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Historically? Which nuclear capable war leader killed themselves or fleed?

These other countries were homogenous societies that were enacting laws restricting access to guns before many types were even widely available. Brits for example were restricting access to guns we can readily buy now back in the day when we could mail order a Tommy gun Comparing a country where 5% of their criminals have access to guns to a country where 95% of the criminals have access to guns is not a legitimate comparison.

This asshole gets it.

>lost the afghanistan war to untrained peasants with ak's
yeah whatever lmao americans would rape the military especially since so many of them would defect

>Vietnam

The thing is, it looks quite simple. All those gun deaths you see on the charts, imagine if we got rid of them, all those people would have lived. It's easy enough, remove guns and you save all those people.

Did you know that the government isn't some godly entity, they are just men and women like you and me. Everything is perfectly fine, they take care of our needs, we don't need guns or anything, they do it all. What if some crazy fucker gets office and sees how easily it is to take total control of the populace? You are willing to take that risk in order to reduce the amount of gun violence, specifically. Not other kinds of violence or death, just the gun ones. How many guns do you hear go off daily? How many people do you know that were involved in shootings? The world is pretty damn safe. But still you want to ban guns for all citizens to reduce that number down to 0?

>Your president is a billionaire,

All the presidents since reagan have been nothing but puppets of the super rich, including the current one. They want a civil war now to cull our numbers and give them broad power to curtail what freedom of information we have left.

We don't live in a democracy this is an oligarchical police state based on wage slavery.

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All that hardware becomes useless when you're fighting in your own territory. They could use tanks, jets, etc. But that would only make them the rulers of a war torn shithole with large swaths of the population annihilated, defeating the purpose of being tyrannical assholes in the first place.

An AC-130 can target and hit anything within about 15 square feet.
>durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr soooo dephathatting to local infrafruckthructurre HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

moreover you can't hear their quiet turboprobs from miles away when they open fire, same with the apache. or a sniper from 3500 yards. perfect silent weapons not the sniper, or a B-52 from 40k feet, but then you do get into frastructure problems.

so your retarded militias stand no chance. hide in your bunkers, a bunker-buster splits you open. insurrection against my country will get you 1 thing republicans: DEAD.

Your hatred for America is unbelievable.

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Unable to answer the rest so you fixate on a throwaway statement of no consequence. Answer the final question.

>They're called warrants and they're a matter of public record, Cletus.

What recourse does one have against the police?

there have been multitudes of raids on the wrong houses where people are killed and the police get a free pass

All it takes is one man with a gun to change the world. I think we have all learned that from history.

you do realize your president is the elite. he wouldn't hesitate to disarm you, and kill you.
your own kind assaulted him at the NRA rally.

you fucking retard.

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So you having guns is exactly what they want? Let me get this straight.
1. You have guns you lose because the super rich want to cull the numbers
2. You don't have guns you lose because you can't defend your self from the "Police state"
What the fuck is left?

It’s protection from tyranny not specifically the government. Suppressing the potential power of a population is constantly an objective of governments everywhere and throughout history. Become honestly educated on the arc of human history and it’s pretty apparent why we should have access to equal weaponry.

>What recourse does one have against the police?
The judicial branch. Cops get sued and lose all the fucking time.

Yes he would, he wouldn't even think about it. What makes you say he would? What kind of fantasy world do you live in?

I don't know what gave you the impression I support trump, or any part of the farce that is the USA's political system

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Nigga you're acting like it's a video game. 20mm HE will destroy the shit out of everything in meters of its point of impact. And that's the smallest munition it has.

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That's the thing, the armed forces are also made out of angry people who think politicians are shit.

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When that plane lands it could be sieged and taken for our side. What about that?

Republicans started gun control with laws banning felons from owning guns, and Reagan's "assault weapons ban" after he was shot

Naturally this laid precedence for any 'gun control' measures in the future. Even that pedophile charleton heston was BIGTIME pro-gun control.

Trump was about to ban guns. It's funny, because white 2A guys think the GOP is their ally. The GOP would stab them in the back in a second for political gain.

these fake 2A guys LOVE republican-backed gun control. Thus they're all faux 2A posers

Retard, read this:
I have been living in the US for a decade. Affection for gun ownership has nothing to do with guerilla warfare or overthrowing government. It's a historical and cultural issue. Sort of like trying to take a grandpas katana from a Japanese.
Also in the beginning of American history, on the frontier, there was no government or protection so gun ownership was a must. And this tradition goes on.

I live in Texas and love the idea that you can purchase a forearm easily and hold a Ruger or M&P instead of your dick in your hand when the burglar comes to steal and rape your wife. Also a reason why there are no mass shootings in Texas, everyone is packing so if a psycho pulls a gun he will be down in 5 seconds.

The public is kinda in a catch-22 at this point, nothing short of an armed rebellion could disenfranchise the elite and autonomous weapons have eliminated the human element now.

We're doomed.

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>hide in your bunkers
No thanks. I live in a densely populated neighborhood and don't intend to run or hide from anyone. If the federal government wants to put the lives of women and children at risk by firing upon housing developments and office buildings, so be it. The blood will be on their hands, and I can think of no better hill to die on.

I LOVE hearing the arguement that "guns will keep the goverment at bay" but okay. Yea the military are just some regular people that have extensive training and go to schools designed specifically for their military roles, no big deal!! Me and my AR can fight off the lot of them!! Fucking americans

Nigga YOU answer the question. Which nuclear capable leader opted to sit back and die? Was it hitler? Did hitler have nukes?

>What recourse
Owning guns, keeping them loaded, and shooting any stranger dead who creeps onto you porch unannounced at night.

wait, aren't you guys on the same side?

>f22 releasing flares and chaff
>ar15 shoots non-heat seeking bullets.
I dunno man.

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unless they want to level the entire block and create 10 rebels for every innocent they kill they are gonna have to send boots in

I meant the men and women making decisions in government, the ones who decide the laws and declare war etc. But on your point about the military vs gun owning citizens. What would their strategy be? Go into every house and shoot up the family? Hold shootouts with neighborhoods? Roll in tanks and start blowing away houses?

What's delusional is the people making these memes who have no idea of how much infrastructure, people and resources its takes to keep one plane flying or one tank combat ready. .War is just as much about fuel depots, rail junctions and bridges as it is weaponry

you're like ISIS. hiding behind kids.

the right wing is responsible for 2/3 of all terrorist attacks on America.

your rhetoric proves that to me. you're an ISIS soldier with a bible and American flag.

>Everyone is an idiot but me.

I will bet my very soul you are a virgin with

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With less guns in general the access to illegal guns also goes down. At least in a functioning non corrupt western societies.

Hiding behind kids? Excuse me?
I'm occupying my home, which I own. And despite owning it I still pay rent for it (property taxes). It's my property and my family lives there. We aren't hiding from anything.

Oh good, you got proven wrong so lets change the subject. You are terrible at sticking to a single subject but okay big guy

> Well trained and armed military superpower turns on it's citizens, most of whom are just farmers, teachers, or otherwise untrained...

> The citizens kick their collective asses

...and that's how the US fucking started you walnut!

Remember, the number of NRA members in the US is bigger than any single army in the world, and the total number of gun owners in the US is greater than the combined total of ALL major armies in the world.

So take away guns from all citizens to lower gun deaths down to 0? The citizens truly get the short end of that bargain.

sadly murka has over 600 million guns
AT LEAST

likely a billion or more.

I didn't change the subject, I clarified what you misunderstood and then focused on your point about the military fighting citizens.

>regulated, so no one breaks the law
That's why we have a traffic court?
>accidents
"Failure to observe" is what they get ticketed for.

Hmm... gotta have a test to get a driver's license. Gotta have insurance to drive a car outside of your own personal property. Gotta have your car registered and pay yearly taxes on it. You're right, user... we SHOULD treat guns like cars.

You can expect nothing less than emotional 8th grade level arguments from anti-gun big government proponents. They have no statistics or logic or reason on their side; just fear and panic. They simply don't have a leg to stand on.

you think gun-toting retards can defeat the US military.

WOW you Podunk retards really have gone full-meth on your trumpanzee power trip

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If that's the case then why are you fighting this archaic war which even if you win will result in you losing instead of educating yourself and fighting for your freedom using your brain rather than clutching your ar like an defiant infant clutching his safety blanket?

AND denial. Good stuff buddy, come to me when you can actually refute an arguement

>legally no access to cocaine and lsd
>still able to purchase large quantities

JAPANESE PASTA HERE

/thread

The sad thing is, that they don't argue with the intent to find out what's right, they argue to win their case, they already "know" their side is correct.

You don't have to defeat the military you have to make it so costly to fight the insurgency that peace is the financially correct move.

The vietnamese, taliban, and mujahideen have had no problem keeping a technologically advanced army at bay and the amount of vulnerable critical infrastructure would make fighting a rebellion on USA soil financially unsound.

the argument wasnt whether they survived, it was if there were headlines stating mass stabbings. you were presented evidence and you deflected. good job, asshat

The "gun toting retards" actually ARE most of the military. The leftist pseudo-coexist flakes are signing up because they're to anti-gun, anti-war, anti-America

All I do is shit post on the internet, when the end comes and its not fun to live anymore imma just an hero.

So you're imagining the entire US army vs this small focused militia of trump supporters or some shit?

What about this, citizens all across the country refuse to take part in the tyrannical laws set up by the government. It's not some army, it's literally any house around you might stand their ground against you. How are you going to go about fighting them? how do you deploy the troops in such a way that successfully takes out "valuable targets"? Whatever the fuck that may be. I mean where do you start?

I'll agree that if the government is brutal and savage enough it can definitely win. But imagine what it would take for a president to go through with all that in the case where citizens are armed and do not want to be part of a tyrannical regime, vs a pacified citizenship which is unarmed.

man people gotta stop blaming the tools on everything. Someone needs to use the tool for it to become evil. The problem stems deeper than prohibiting guns

Where is the headline? No one died from the school stabbing so I am still simply waiting

A life well spent. Good job.

I haven't changed the subject at all lol. Weren't you talking about army vs citizens? You're the one that changed the subject.

No one can be faulted for sticking to their side. In a competitive marketplace of ideas, you stand to gain nothing by making concessions to the other side. People watching and listening will just view that as weakness.

No the main thing to focus on is the context of the argument, not how it's made, because at the end of the day, your argument is made of granite, and theirs is made of tapioca pudding.

Correct.

Last weekend...

> Virginia: 10,000 armed as fuck protesters in the streets. 0 dead or injured

> Chicago: One of the the most gun control heavy places in the US. 5 dead, 38 injured

Then you get another FUBAR asymmetrical civil war like we have in the middle east. You either legalize all military hardware so it's a fair fight, or you completely demilitarize, or you just accept that you're not going to be able to overthrow the government in a shooting war and should calm down and start saving money for lobbying.

Hitler started off by outlawing guns. 5 years later he was killing jews and trying to take over the world.

The real problem is what are your guns going to do against the entire fucking U.S. military? You don't win wars with guns, you win wars with words. People need to stop being ignorant and nice and start challenging each other on what they really believe, so we can realize what the fuck is really going on and start hitting them where it really hurts, their precious fucking companies. Boycott and protest that shit. Expose the corruption

This. Look at what happened in Afghanistan and Vietnam. Bunch of rice farmers and 12 year olds gave the American military hell for over a decade and then they quit.

Why did Rosa Parks "need" to sit at the front of the bus? I need a gun because Fuck You, it's my God given right and confirmed in the Constitution.

True, and these conversations are good to have. And it's good for every idea and system in place to be challenged constantly.

I mean in fairness Chicago has like 6 million people.

Those are some rose colored backwards glasses you got their. No gun. They commit suicide by hanging or walking in front of a train. No gun, The nigger with no impulse control stabs or beats to death with a bat the other nigger that shorted his blow. No gun. The guy who walks into a school with a rifle waits until the dismissal bell and plows through 3 dozen kids with his pickup in front of the school instead. .People with the will to commit violence will commit violence with or without a gun.

I'd be willing to bet that if you compared the ratio of people who commit suicide (regardless of method) or the ratio of people who commit violence (regardless of method and accounting for demographics) the "gun" effect would disappear.

I was blessed enough to be born at the beginning of the anthropocene mass extinction so I can just watch the world burn.

Right! That's why we were able to stamp out terrorism in the Middle East.

Oh..that didn't happen.

Turns out asymmetrical tactics are difficult to beat.

Well, I don't know how it would play out. But what happens if citizens, entire communities and states decide not to take part in the laws being passed by the government. This doesn't mean the citizens go and attack soldiers. They simply go about their business ignoring the laws. And if they are threatened, they defend themselves as is their right.

Yeah I agree doomers are pretty boring people.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff

People always talk about the military and police like they are binary, either on or off. In the event of a civil war in the US they would splinter into factions. Some supporting the tyrannical government and other not.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff

How dare you mock my favorite fantasy

One shot from a .50 cal while that cock sucker is on the runway and it's disabled.
What's your argument again?

I don't think you realize how much you'd be giving up by boycotting the companies you're talking about. Spend a year not buying anything from Walmart or Amazon, not eating fast food or chain restaurants, not buying products or using products from Microsoft or Apple, not filling your car up with Gasoline that is not only sold at the pumped but drilled for or refined by Exxon, Shell, Chevron, or BP, not driving a car built by a major auto manufacturer, etc. Then get back to me if you aren't homeless and/or dead.

forget the headline then. so by your logic, as long as i dont kill anyone, i can go on a shooting spree and itll be gravy?

Hate to break it to you but we deal with a handful goofy wackjobs differently than a domestic terrorist organization. There's PR and then there's national security.

mmmmm suuuuurrrrrreeee buddy

>How many people in your daily life do you consider to be idiots?
About the same number as are allowed to go hurtling down the highway at 75 m.p.h. in 2 ton blocks of steel. And vote.

Lucky for you, we don't take away people's rights simply because they're idiots.

Cuz they're just gonna let you waltz into range of the air field?

Good point. Even if we boycott them and go to small businesses instead, those small businesses will eventually become large corporations. I guess we can only hope that these new corporations won't be corrupt

What we really need to do is spread awareness and stop people voting for these shill-politicians and start voting for people who will try to make a change and won't accept bribes

so now the US military are "leftists" ?

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how about you just get jobs, and become the small businesses who become large corporations, son.

instead of being white trash welfare filth your entire lives

how about i nig your daughter wife and dog and then live of your taxes? i think that sounds fair

The political system is nothing but a farce. A show put on by those wishing to control policy without having to admit they are in control and having scapegoats on which to blame the negative outcomes of their policies.

Our system of government has failed to protect the interest of the public and has been overrun by tyrants just as the founding fathers warned it could be.

The current system must be torn down and rebuilt, but the public no longer has the military means to remove the tyrants.

This will be the fall of the american empire.

*kidnapped
More profitable.

I'm thinking that when a corporation gets big enough, it will be corrupt no matter what. Absolute power corrupts absolutely and all that. I changed my mind about the boycotting thing. I think we need to focus on getting more honest politicians in power and telling these corporations to fuck off. But maybe these corporations just hire hitmen to kill honest politicians? If that's the case it will probably have to come down to a fucking civil war situation and we lose that 100% of the time.

It's scary how much sense that makes. I think the best bet for Americans would be to get the fuck out while you can

Yeah but consumers essentially "unionizing" against companies once they get too big and powerful is better than nothing. The way that Amazon got so powerful is that they controlled the cheapest and easiest conduit for anything you want to buy. They sold so much stuff to so many people while completely lacking any legitimate competition, that they were able to vertically integrate and compete with the biggest shipping companies in the US.

And we we would be lucky if it were as simple as politicians accepting bribes. No, these people pay their pennance by serving as Senators and Representatives, making a paltry 175k a year, then once they are out of office, they go to work for corporate lobby groups and make millions using their connections and taking subsequent senators and representatives on golf outings to pebble beach and pirvate jet trips to Epstein Pedo Island and Fun Ranch in the south pacific in order to secure votes and get deals done for their corporate constituents.
It's easy to put someone on trial for accepting a cash payment for something. Almost impossible to call an entire career a crime, especially when Washington endorses it.

>professional troll
my sincere apologies, your holiness, i did not understand that you were a l33t Cred Forums based and redpilled kekistan epic troller hacker upper man

Tell that to the old man in texas who took out that shooter in church with the quickness

That makes sense to me. Thanks for helping me understand a little better. It just seems pretty hopeless, but I guess that's just the way things work. We are pretty much just the new Rome and will probably collapse like they did. We just keep going in circles until I guess we end ourselves or technology advances to the point where money and power aren't so desirable. Or maybe it's just in our nature to crave power and become corrupt. I want to hope that that's not true but who knows

This person has no real life experience with any weaponry.

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>I think the best bet for Americans would be to get the fuck out while you can

Considering how the global community is now intrinsically tied together economically the fall of the American empire could be the fall of the species in general.

U.S. military is made of gun toting idiots. That have families and friends in the same crowd you just asked them to open fire on.

who cares , i dont
go on facebook pussy

This is absolutely retarded.

This is the answer. America has the largest and most robust financial sector in the world. Other countries own more of our government bonds and other public debt issue than anyone else in the world. If our economy goes to shit, it takes them decades to recover. Just look at Greece and Portugal post-2008 financial crisis. We also have more land and natural resources than any other country in the world. Worse comes to worse, you can move out to the midwest, squat on land, and shoot deer for food. Trying doing that somewhere Sweden where half of the country is in the arctic circle and the other half is crowded and mountainous.

you've never seen the flir imagine of an AC-130 gun strike or aftermath

nor have you ever been in combat, fattie.

take your .45, chamber a round, and fire it through your head.

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that 1 time a mass-shooting was ALMOST stopped?

Lmao thinking the military would kill their fellow americans/friends and family with jets and tanks.

What about squatting in Alaska and hunting seal and catching fish? The cold would fuck with military equipment and it's flat too

Based slope is based. Saved.

Violent revolution in the USA is impossible. We will be wiped out by drones and killing machines within days.

The guns make us feel an illusion of power and control, just like voting, and "politics"

You're all playing a game and you don't even realize you've lost.

The solution? forget all this and build the perfect life for yourself.

Both sides of the government are equally shit for different aspects. That doesnt have anything to do with this point though.
>Gun control is tyranny.

Our guns are for insurgency, not for fighting the military head on cucklord.

>a human has to pull the trigger

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You're not supposed to add one every time you look in the mirror, all those reflections are the same person.

Vastly outnumbered*
1.8 million military and police in the US
90 million military age males
50 to 1

Also, aren't mountains good for holding a resistance? It's hard to mount an attack on a sheer cliff. Look at switzerland for example and how many times they've been invaded

>>Your hatred for America is unbelievable

You can practically hear the fapping as this lib poser dreams of nanny government mowing down civilians. Ooh yes bring the tanks now, spank those bad republicans.

See
You incredible retard

>We will be wiped out by drones and killing machines within days.

Who will? Unless they want to genocide their own populous they're gonna have to rely on current counter insurgency tactics, which would fail due to the robust infrastructure in the USA

Thats not a tank or jet. And someone is controlling those bots so technically yeah its a human pulling the trigger

I wouldn't recommend living in the arctic circle, and the military has plenty of equipment that works just fine up there.
But if you really want to, here is the guy with all the answers.

youtube.com/watch?v=PNocQzhPyac

Nice, thanks

The liberals in the US needs to grow some balls and go all in on a complete gun ban. Let the hatred pour and tell all those subhuman gun-toters to fuck off. Their opinion does not matter.

Lethal autonomous weapons are capable of selecting and firing on targets without any human input.

In the past tyrants were beholden to their military, who could refuse their orders.

Now a single man with malicious intent could filed an army of robots.

No, when it comes to armed conflict with a government org, a key is to avoid isolating yourself or your group from the general population. But yourself on a mountainside with fellow combatants, and the government doesn't even need men with guns. A missile or a laser guided bomb to do the trick.

The only proven way to have any success against the US military is the GWOT strategy of hiding in plain sight in civilian clothing, with ordinary people present, and leaning on the ROE that the military is tied to in order to prevent use of large scale ordnance and preemptive strikes.

Because in the end the US army are United states Citizens.

They have been proven to be a well labeled model for society as it is a really good mix of people from all kinds of backgrounds.

so this would indicate that if groups rebelled against the government that you would have comparable swaths from the military do the same.

People would have tanks, aircraft, supplies etc.

some generals would pick sides. bases, commanders etc would pick sides.

It is a joke that people think these "people" would just take orders to roll into their own towns.

or the fact there isn't enough military personal to protect each and every strategic resource in the US at the same time. Mainly because people would fight with their people and who they believe in ,.

so go figure.

>please spank me harder daddy government
Kill yourself you failure of a man

tl;dr
The guy moved to the Brooks range in Alaska 500 miles from civilization with nothing but a few changes of clothes, tools, and a bolt action rifle. Lived out there for over a decade. Has a wife and 3 kids too.

>The solution? forget all this and build the perfect life for yourself.

>build house
>have wife and kids
>ignore politics
>die to robot kill squad

What would that achieve? There are 400 million firearms in the United States.

I am going to speak the objective truth about this fkn braindead debate over gun law. The Us almost has twice as many homocides than whole Europe. Despite Europe having about 700 million inhabitants and the Us only having 300 million. It is obvious that safety increases without guns. However, if we were to enforce a law in the US that banned guns than regular citizens who dont want to break the law would have to turn them in, while criminals would obviously just hide the enormous amount of weapons that they already have. Since it is so easy to get guns in the US most criminals are stacked with guns. Therefore the Us would have a lot of unarmed law obeying citizens and a lot of armed criminals.

This is correct. All of these republican perverts on welfare would rather destroy America (hence trump), instead of build their own beautiful lives.
It's tragic and sad. We need to deport republicans to Siberian work camps, they don't belong here (and haven't for many many decades).

I'd take 10,000,000 Mexicans over 1 republican anyday

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Basking in the glory of a gun-free nation and a minuscule percentage of criminals having guns over here. Trust me, true freedom feels great. You should try it sometime eaglefucker.

the level of opulence that the average american considers a perfectly built life is both unsustainable and relies on the exploitation of millions of people living in poverty elsewhere

>Being fat doesn't kill other people
Ah, actually it does, though inadvertently.
Medfag here; fat people are absolute sinks for medical resources. It's kind of annoying knowing you could've saved two people easily with what it takes to barely save some fat fuck who doesn't want to take care of themselves.
It's part of the reason getting a universal healthcare system in the US would be difficult, as the obscene amounts of obesity in the states would result in an active loss of quality in healthcare, and a real strain on our medical resources as well.

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Based japan.

How can one feel free but not safe?
[Not the other user btw, just curious. It seems to me that being safe is a prerequisite to being free]

It would would acheive epic lulz the first 100 years or so as you suffer in a hell of your own making.

People also don't realise that in a time of catastrophe such as floods, hurricanes, societal collapse, and even home invasions by multiple assailants in areas not easily reached by police or having pitiful response times or even at the heat of the moment access to call them leaves your options to be very limited without a gun in hand to defend your property, family, and yourself. There should be no regulation to the access of firearms and their attachments and features. People live to comfortably today to bother looking how fragile society is, especially today!

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So is it true that the common liberal has a bellow average IQ uh?

Freedom is freedom m8.
You have the freedom to go and shout NIGGER in the ghetto but it wouldnt necessarily be a safe thing to do. People who give up freedom in the name of safety will have neither.

Culturally speaking, part of what it means to be an American is stomaching risk and enjoying payoff from it. The reason you don't have guns is the same reason you don't have world-leading companies, top universities all over the place, the best consumer products, the best military. We do, because these things incur cost and risk, but pay dividends. Owning a firearm and training with it (both risky) afford me a dividend: security. I am proficient enough with the weapon of my choice that if any two criminals break into my home with the intent to harm me, they have zero chance of succeeding. So different strokes for different folks. Continue to rely upon your government, and I will continue to rely upon myself.

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What do you mean?

>you've never seen the flir imagine of an AC-130 gun strike or aftermath
>imagine
Lol, what is your point?

>fattie
Wrong

>take your .45
Don't own a .45

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safety is the antithesis of freedom

You should have just called him a faggot, and it a day.

>same reason you don't have world-leading companies, top universities all over the place, the best consumer products, the best military same reason you don't have world-leading companies, top universities all over the place, the best consumer products, the best military

When my country has all of that except the best military. Basking continues.

Why not?

I mean the US fucked up with the second amendment and they will suffer in order to correct that mistake.

Faggot

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Didn't answer the part about combat.

how convenient, son.

>not owning the Anzio 20mm takedown

you're a little teacup, aren'tcha. bet you haven't even fired that.

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you shut your pedo mouth

I'd rather have the .338 Lapua anyday you cheap fuck

>obligatory post

But you don't. Not compared to what America has to offer to its citizens and to the world. There is simply no other country on the planet that can compete with the breadth and depth that the US has.

And even if what you're saying were true, what the good is any of that if you can't defend it? What, you rely on NATO for protection from insurgent elements or foreign invasion. Good for you. NATO is now politically irelevant.
What happens when the US reverts back to its isolationist ways and says "good luck with your problems"?

Then you become just another idealist, ethnically homogenous postage stamp country with no way to protect itself. A beautiful, ornate house, built on a foundation of Jello pudding.

Says who?

>we are going to bomb the living shit out of our main source of income and personnel

Salt.

If it's an allusion of power why push an agenda to disarm the populous.

Violent crime is in a state of decline and has dropped since the 1980s. The United States if there is a scenario it ever devolves in a state of total civil war. It will end up dissolving the current administration into a military junta that will end up having one branch of government to take total control similar to Egypt. If they decide to not step down but make full use of the military industrial complex, they would end up going bankrupt and stretched too thin to engage in COIN operations across the whole country due to the enormity of its territory. The proliferation of firearms across the USA guarantees a well armed populous would be very difficult to suppress and control entirely across the whole country as the ruling Junta would have to expand far greater amounts of resources to deal with an armed populous compared to dealing with a disarmed one. Look at the Middleeast as an example as unstable but well armed governments failed to suppress armed insurrections and even end up overthrown by those insurgencies such as in Yemen. A highly dedicated and ideological driven organizations that manages to take hold of stockpiles of weapons is not something to scoff at even if your a powerfully equipped military Junta.

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you forget to mention the fact that if there were an insurgency in the USA other nations would be arming and training insurgents as well

the want to disarm the populace so they can implement policy that lowers the quality of life for the average american

they are trying to turn us back into serfs so they can compete on the global market

lol you are serfs. my god you rely on scraps. you can't afford houses, the average middle class American doesn't make 200k.

you poor things are the poorest nation on earth as far as the middle class is concerned. you live worse than developing nations, they have access to healthcare, they own their homes, modes of transpo etc. and aren't living in crippling debt their entire lives

you poor things don't even get it. middle class scraps, top 10% controls ALL THE MONEY. you live worse than serfs

To keep the niggers away

Light infantry have refused to lose to the US in multiple wars. The IRA refused to lose to the UK. There are MANY examples.

our "poor" people can still go to a mcdonalds and get more protein for 10$ than most people in developing nations see in a month

our beggars make more in an afternoon than 50% of the people on the planet make in a week

I agree that many of the european nations have much less income inequality, but that is mostly possible due to the prolonged peace provided by the protection of the american empire.

Your opulence is just as subsidized as ours.

Not just the government, invading countries, people who rob you at your home, on the streets. I understand that you're a cuckold liberal but jesus christ it's not that hard to find these reasons.

Not wanting the 20mm. anzioironworks.com/MAG-FED-20MM-RIFLE.htm

ISHYGDDT

federal agents/paramilitary.

military signed up to serve the people. they are not a threat.
feds signed up to serve government. they are the threat

So you're just another foreigner who doesn't matter in another foreign place that doesn't matter on an American website telling Americans they suck? Sounds like projection. Why do you cucks care so much?

THIS RIGHT GODDAMN HERE

the 20mm is an anti-vehicle weapon. not anti-personnel.

the .338 lapua has better accuracy at distance you peter puffer

>the 20mm is an anti-vehicle weapon

Does this mean it won't work on people?

>be basketball american
>begin homerobbery.png
>homeowner fires 20mm and misses
>concussed and disoriented from the blast
>get finished off while helpless

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Can't have better accuracy if the bullet never makes it there user.

Overkill does not buy you anything when shooting people.

>people