Is there anything morally wrong with a border wall?

If you think most of it is making it in by foot or by car, you're a fucking idiot, m8.

How do you have this much of an opinion and yet you can't spell "border"? I assume you've seen the word written, maybe a couple of times?

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Nah, man. Look on Google Maps for any border town. There is already a wall. Sure sections of empty ass desert still exist with no wall but unless monitored a wall that far out ain't gonna do shit

You wanna stop all the bad? 100% drug legalization and close any business that knowingly hires an illegal. Done.

Good walls make good neighbors.

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Place near where I live that everyone calls "Little Mexico". Poverty, prostitution (often with chicks who think they will get deported or killed if they try try to leave), drugs, and murder.

Population is 100% Mexican and about 10% legal. It's a shit hole and it gets bigger every year.

Because walmart selling heroine is an acceptable conclusion.

Second this. Countries with lenient drug laws and allowances are on average much safer cultures. Making it a legal market makes it so that shitty people have less room to take advantage, making drugs overall less impactful on society.

>good luck shutting down businesses that hire illegals though
>hope you don't like literally any fast food or convenience store

Better to get it at walmart and steal the power from cartels. No pne should uae heroin obviously, but since we know people will anyway, it's better to get it from a safe source than to fuel murder empires.

Its called im drunk and and im a phoneposter. Either way, go fuck yourself faggot.

I understand your argument, but decriminalization of heroine will surely serve to normalize it.

Too many fucked up stories come from those who cross it. Human trafficking,drug dealers, etc.

And it is true my people *Mexicans* do bring in drugs because the cartel sometimes force them to pass heroine and they'll get money like $300 or they'll hold there kids hostage if not then theyll just leave em alone. Alot of people bring bullshit reasons to not have a wall. But I do want a wall to discourage them to stop crossing illegally have less illegals coming and the cartel and kidnappers will degrade around the area and less drugs coming in from the cartel forcing them along with less human trafficking because it is real. They do kidnap the people on their way to the US . Parents who brings toddlers are fucking idiots. Along with those migrants did get killed by local mafias for talking shit about cities they stay in and littering.

Heroin is already normalized. That battle is lost. All we can do now is damage control. Imprisoning people for making one mistake(trying a drug) even though the entire rest of their lives is more than enough punishment, is wrong imo. Better to hit the cartelswhere it hurts.

Plus, momey that would spent on preventing drug trafficking could then be better used to help addocts recover and to generally boost the medical system stateside. And god knows americans need better health care

They're likely Southern Mexicans. They're fucking animal degenerates. Kinda like American Southerners but worse in simple words.

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its to deter ILLEGAL immigration faggot. why fill the country with people who broke the law the very first second they stepped foot into the country

It's easy to see other humans as less than human. It's harder to understand the differences in luck that leads to certain lifestyles. Historically speaking, there's a huge chance that the things you think are good right mow will be looked back on as degenerate by a more advanced people. Does that mean that you're a savage though? Probably not. It just means that you were dealt a different hand them those looking down at you.

taco user here, not, build it high as the sky and deep as the hell, we deserve it, our culture is full of fucktards who believe a virgin will automatically solve all their troubles, so they steal and pray to god, we fucking deserve it

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And 98 percent of mexican cartel's guns come from America but aight

Solid point m8

I mean if it didn’t cost as much as it did and actually stopped drug trafficking without brutalizing the environment sure. The fact of the matter is most people crossing the border do so legally, and many of the ones who don’t seek asylum which is also a legitimate entry process.

At the end of the day a wall is a symbol and not much else. Drugs will still cross, people will get over it, it’s better to reinforce the legal system to process immigrants and asylum seekers.

Damn if only there were some structure in place to prevent them from bringing those guns to criminals. Nothing comes to mind.

Trump would have to fire half his Mar A Lago staff or lose his favorite golf course though

Just like welfare is stealing so is the wall.

Found some interesting facts about US asylum here immigrationforum.org/article/fact-sheet-u-s-asylum-process/

And take 10 times longer
Sucks if you're a new dad who wants his kids to not be poor by getting a good education when they will be teenagers by the time the legal method works

>Is there anything morally wrong with a border wall?
No. The border wall is not meant to deter legal immigration. In fact it will ONLY deter ILLEGAL immigration. Key word: illegal.

No its just terribly inneffective.

A border ditch would be much more effective.

We need a river! A freedom river.

History has shown walls literally never work. It’s a fucking boondoggle

it's going to get torn down as soon as trump is out of office, so it's a pointless waste of money

No there's nothing morally wrong with a border wall.

The moral problem is on the part of politicians. Republican politicians don't want voters they feel are inclined to vote democrat. Democrat politicians want a constant problem to exist on the southern border they have no intention of fixing so long as they can use it to rake republicans over the coals with.

The end result is that the legal immigration system takes an obstinate amount of time to complete -- not that the demand to immigrate doesn't already strain the broken system.

Ultimately politicians playing politics are the reason why there's cancer everywhere.

Hahaha good point

Hahaha

There's no moral reason against it. Like most government programs/projects the main issue with it is does it work, who pays for it, and who benefits from it. Both Republicans and Democrats like to undermine each other's programs by pointing out the cost and saying it's a waste of taxpayer money, and that's the only real argument each side has. But like subsidized healthcare, there's nothing morally wrong with it. Any country has a right to strongly define it's borders, it is its sovereign right.
The wall won't be very effective without patrols though, which is true of any wall for that matter.

> If it was practical, effective and paid for, would you support it if you wouldn't otherwise?

It isn't. That's like asking, "would you mind if I took a shit on floor in your bed room, if it weren't stinky, it was not an issue to clean up, and also it gave you $20?"

Sure I guess?

it never even occurs to you that the "war on drugs" is a fucking failure and absurdity. because the government (which wall supporters are supposed to despise) tells you growing a plant is illegal, like an obedient little bootlicker you don't take a second to wonder if that makes the least bit of sense. instead you want to triple down on this decades long failure at prohibition and build a useless wall. what will be your excuse when people still choose to get high?

Yes. Obviously.

Ay lemme fuck dis bitch, naw don't need no rubber
>gets her pregnant
Ay lemme in America, why won't you do the responsible thing and help raise my kid?

Reminds me of a joke. Why can't Mexicans swim? Because the ones that can are called Americans by now.

It's pointless talking to white people about this they're real stupid and they'll never understand

>democrats want constant problems on the border
This is more true for republicans really. Go use google to figure out whos making money off of detention camps. It's not the dems

>reads post
>ignores everything but the first sentence
>posts anyways

The more social policies such as medicare social security the more enticing a country become just for the sake of free security. So people who do not want to do anything and be taken care of will try and gravitate to a country that will take care of them without them actually doing anything to better it. In my own opinion, the more social policies that are implemented for the security and well being of a countries people, the stronger the border security needs to be to keep social leeches out of the country. We did not have this problem back in the late 1800-early 1900 because there was almost no governmental social security net for people, so the main draw for immigration was the possibility for success in the "american dream" instead of an inherently better place to live.
So to answer OP's question, the more social policies a country accepts, the more moral it is to have a strong border security in my opinion.

Fuck your law your law is bs

Hahaha

Dems denied shit going to the centers because dem politicians are cancer my dude.

The biggest cartel is the government

Keyword bs

Except when Trump said "You democrats wanna help? We're gonna send all the people we got in detention to you" and literally every democrat politician in the country went on the warpath to stop it.

HAHAHA

probably a waste of money, there are better technologies to use to keep people from crossing illegally, but they make sense near population centers.

Nigger detected

Faggot detected

if you believe government is responsible for providing security, a border wall should not be a problem in areas where illegal crossings are prevalent. A rational government would have found a compromise that traded wall funding for immigration reform of a reasonable sort. We are not a rational government or population at this time.

This is probably the only intelligent thing I've seen you faggot post in this thread.

Morally wrong, no, it's fine. But it's seriously outdated technology. The border wall is an unnecessary piece of border security. Our border patrol needs a serious overhaul, with drones and sensors, and ultra-high def cameras. I think the whole country would be better off with facial recognition for citizens. The wall is an obsolete money-suck.

Fuck off with that facial recognition shit.
Freedom > security
Sometimes its a compromise we gotta make but America is the land of the free. Gotta keep it that way at all costs.

Oh lord, the same type of faggot that says the law doesn't make sense but also says law is gonna keep people in check. Do you even realize how little that standpoint makes sense? Those laws work REAL good those people involved with: Drugs, illegal guns, gangs, etc etc. Right?

Those exact things we've already got a major problem with in society? The things people are worried about more ILLEGAL people bringing? If they're willing to break the law to come into the country, what's gonna stop em breaking more laws when they're in?

Do you think literal tons of drugs are crossed via Mexicans with backpacks? Don’t be foolish

i agree, altho it does serve a certain symbolic purpose which on one side says we're serious about enforcing our laws, but also goes against our reputation of being welcoming so there are pluses and minuses to it. The proper message is to say we welcome people going through our legal process to come here and be part of our success, but we won;t tolerate line-cutting or those who come to take advantage of our system or our citizens. This used to be sensible policy, but now it seems like your only choice is open borders or ethno-state nonsense. People need to let their politicians know that we want a sensible policy that prioritizes border security and welcoming those who want to help the country succeed.

You say that like people aren't absolutely fucking gobbling up google home and alexa who can, and allegedly do, keep tabs on everything you say. Or facebook. Or google. Or literally anything on the internet. Only thing facial recognition would do at this point is let them know what we look like when they're listening to recordings of us fapping to hentai.

Gtfo with that bs

You're stupid

no u

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they already have a file on you, national ID is rolling out, you really think having you being recognized automatically is going to tip the balance between freedom and tyranny? The credit bureaus know more about you than your mother. Get over it. They don't want to enslave you, they just want to sell you shit.

You're stupid

Nigga. I googled planet fitness 3 days ago to get their phone number, wanted to see if they finally fixed the plumbing over there, smelled like ass. Ever since then I literally have had nothing but PF advertisements on facebook. If you think they ain't got tabs on us already, you wrong.

no u

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LOLOLOL

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I lived on the border for 14 years.

I cant imagine ever supporting the wall cause it would never work. Ever. Waste of time and money.

We need boots on the ground.

what is needed is a mexican government that can improve their economy. Ultimately there will always be a flow of labor from places with less opportunity towards places with more opportunity. Stemming that tide is difficult because whenever you plug one hole, there will be more creative methods invented to enter. it's a big fucking border. some 10k miles in all, much of it completely indefensible. The best defense of our border is to decrease the reason to come here in the first place by helping to improve the conditions there through economic development and investment.

This is easy. Second felony should be loss of citizenship and deportation to Liberia. Pretty soon they will have a criminal utopia.

Much more likely a white leftist junkie.

Morally? No.

Fiscally and intellectually, however, yes.

Walls are 100% obsolete in any world that has achieved airflight. Case in point, more than 75% of illegals who are here now arrived legally by plane. Good fucking luck making a wall that can stop that. Oh, and it's an impossibly expensive, ineffective and impossible to maintain worthless expenditure. The country is 23 Trillion dollars in debt and has nearly a trillion dollars' annual deficit thanks to president Orange McRetard. This translates to everyone who has a brain seeing the wall as utterly imbecilic.

Border wall's are just safe spaces for those who don't know about airplanes yet.

>75% of illegals who are here now arrived legally by plane
No source has ever been produced for this propaganda. Seems far more likely they wandered up from Central America, Mexico or "dry footed" in from Cuba. Which is why 90% of them are in SoCal, South Florida and Southern Texas.

Aww is the taco mad?

Actually, they're there because Texas and California used to be part of Mexico you fucking dumbass.

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“propaganda” sure it is its not that its extremely easy to get a passport

Well they are not anymore, they are for humans now. Sneaking in isn't going to change that.

i think an important difference here is that there are a long set of security measures involved with getting a passport and getting on a plane that would suggest people who overstayed their visas are a much lower safety risk than someone who entered the country illegally through a border crossing.

Not anymore faggot. Spics go home.

Nope, nothing morally wrong with it. Reason being that morality is subjective and tends to differ from one culture to another. So while some pearl clutchers and bleeding heart types whinge about how "evil" a border wall is - you'll never see those bleeding heart types open their own homes to house the multitude of illegals pouring over the border. Same shit we see with the Hollywood "woke" crowd like JK Rowling spewing absurd shit about how uneducated 3rd world migrants "enrich" European society & are a "benefit" to the country - yet she refuses to open up rooms in any of her 5 mansions to house even 1 refugee family all while the UK is suffering a massive housing shortage for it's native low income population.

meanwhile tonnes of fentanyl gets shipped in illegally from china every day” lets completely militarize a few thousand miles of empty land”

annnd FUCKIN /THREAD! Brilliant post bruh. For a Euro cunt, you actually have a brain in that skull. 100% on point.

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There is nothing wrong with a border wall. Without strong, well defined borders where can you say a country and it's jurisdiction ends and where another country and it's jurisdiction begins?

Empower militias to patrol the border, they would do it for free. Probably already do, quietly.

This. Nothing wrong with a border wall whatsoever.

yeah this pretty well perfectly sums up the answer OP's looking for. a border obstacle serves a purpose. if built well and properly patrolled / manned, it is quite effective.

Like Berlin?

no because the nation state is dead. a relic of a bygone era. borders persist only because they're too much of a hassle for our corporate overlords to dismantle, and occasionally they're useful to manipulate in order to corner markets

It goes against Jesus' teachings so no I am against it

Thats not very freedom of you user

The country is not Private property, my fucking house is.

That said, if you have multiple unused houses you absolutely should open them to people if you are not using them for anything else

The country belongs to the inhabitants who pay taxes to the government in return for protection: military and police, basic services - roads / infrastructure & postage services, in most modern countries those services extend to a social safety net and medical care, etc. So the country itself belongs to the inhabitants - much like your personal property belongs to you. Additionally, immigration is a privilege, not a right. And who are you to say what other people do with their private property, ie - homes?

As was pointed out above - you bleeding hearts have zero logic.

Jesus - if he actually even existed, which is debatable - was a drunken gay Rabbi that was executed by Romans over 20 centuries ago. No one outside of you retarded religious freaks give a shit what he had to say.

So if illegal immigrants paid taxes would you say they get to have a say in the country? I think anyone who pays taxes should automatically become a citizen.

You

I'm an Atheist user, but I find his teachings very insightful and the best way to live. I don't agree with everything (I think being Gay is fine) but his teachings of how to treat others and such are good to follow

A country is most certainly the private property of it's citizens. If you want to change ownership of that property, you find a million buddies and come in with rifles to earn it. Psychologically induced passive invasion and/or trying to jimmy the laws, doesn't work.

>complains that a wall exists
>ignores your own house walls
>ignores your own fence walls
>ignores great wall of china

Take your advice

You bitch

If illegal immigrants are working in the U.S., then they are being exploited by their employers by being paid substantially less than required by law, being denied basic employment protections guarantte them by state and federal govenrments. So they must ocme in legally and be granted the full legal protections that come with that. Also, illegal immigrant workers take positions that can be occupied by native inhabitants. Only when there's a labor shortage should the idea of bringing in foreign labor be considered. And again, it must be thru legal channels so they are granted the full legal rights and protections afforded all laborers.

Again, you bleeding heart types have zero fucking logic.

*guaranteed them by the state

Blah blah bs

The argument that immigrants should come in “the legal way” is bullshit. Most of these people can’t feed their families and don’t have a pot to piss in. Hence, why they are “immigrants”. Building the wall is basically saying fuck you to all the genuine Mexicans who hope to build a life for themselves in America. But that’s the yanks for you

Bruh, he just obliterated your argument. Don't cry like a lil bitch.

Is it morally wrong for your house to have walls? Or a door with a lock?

What if we opened those legal protections to illegal immigrants and they paid taxes?

>that's what laws are for
aka "people can't murder me because they'd be breaking the law"
your logic only works if you advocate for the death penalty for all crimes, then people would have a reason not to commit crimes.

So you're a corporation dick rider who supports exploitation of immigrants while saying fuck their rights to safe, healthy work conditions and fair wages. Yeah, I'm starting to see why everyone despises the far left.

Your stupid laws are zero logic

FU bitch

Is there anything morally wrong with a border wall?

A wall? No. There was technically one already on there.

THE Wall? Yes. Why? Because trump attached racism to it.
Also why? Because he promised Mexico would pay for it. That's what he ran his campaign on.
So yeah maybe next time he can not generalize an entire group of people and not make stupid promises.

Retard alert

If they're properly screened at the border and have experience that's needed, there's jobs available for them that can't be filled by local native inhabitants - welcome them with open arms, get them settled and integrated.

>Mexico will pay for it!
>Mexico will pay for it through tariffs!
>We will pay for it!

This is ok according to TrumpTards

What user said made perfect logical sense to anyone with an IQ above the freezing point, mate.

They need to change their own circumstances, not come beg the white man, we can't take care of the entire world, within our borders. Most "Third Worlders" come from places that would be amazing for tourism and are rich with natural resources, but they are led by morons and they refuse to fight them off.

Cry more incel.

You're an ignorant autist if you actually think Mexico isn't one of the largest contributing factors to crime in the southern states.

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Piss off faggot

Highest of trips confirm the truth.

trump supporters will happily eat a bowl of hot steamy excrement from trumps hairless asshole.

Ok so you are open to Merit based immigration?I am open to all immigration as long as they pay taxes and follow same labor standards as citizens, their labor only grows our economy and while they may be taking a factory job a native could have that native can start an enterprise to use the surplus of labor the immigrants create as well.

You cry white bitch

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>Is there anything morally wrong with a border wall?
No, as it is morally equivalent to no border wall.
>If it was practical, effective and paid for, would you support it if you wouldn't otherwise?
It's somewhat practical, highly ineffective, is somewhat payed for (by taxpayers), but I'd support its current maintenance. But I'd pump more money into programs that would streamline legal immigration as compared to a wall.

The Mexican Cartels cause us so many problems, why do we not just end them with military force?

“Entire world”. Aren’t they your neighbours? Land of the free home of the brave, everyone’s welcome, except Mexicans, because we can’t take of the whole world.

Mexico as in the country Mexico? Yeah nah.
Cartels? Yeah probably. Especially in border towns. We are the highest consumers of drugs the problem is not an external one. It's an internal one.
There wouldn't be so many drugs if we didnt have such a high demand for them.

If drugs are the problem then a wall will not do a single thing against drugs considering that we are dealing with a multi billion dollar industry. You are a fool to think all the drugs come across the border from mules or that a wall will hinder cartel progress.
Drugs come from land sea and air and cartels will just move on to the next cheapest alternative.

IF drugs are your problem then investing in border personnel and technology is your answer. But no. Drugs are not your problem. Drugs are your excuse of a problem.

Nothing morally wrong with it, no. Building walls to mark and protect your territory is a tradition as old as time. I don't give a shit either way though, regardless of practicality. Those south Americans will a way of getting here

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>Is it morally wrong for your house to have walls?
Last I checked, there were no walls along the east coast, west coast, gulf coast, or most of the Canadian/U.S. border. How does the U.S. even have a house?

There is basically 0 legal way for you to get a residency into the us if you dont have a relative or are super rich.
Or unless you want to wait 25+ years.

>things stop being real when i make a wojak comic about them
Cred Forumsish people are pathetic

Permitting in a mass ave of immigrants that take jobs at substantially less than the prevailing wage drives down the wages for native inhabitants. Economics 101. A nation's primary reponsibility is to the native population that pays taxes for the protections and services the government provides in return. Once those basic services are met, THEN they can facilitate as many immigrants as the supply of jobs and housing permits. Why do you think California is over run with homelessness, drugs, violent gangs and crumbling infrastructure? You have more people with their hands out than what the system can support. It's not the immigrants fault. They're simply looking for opportunities to provide a better life for their loved ones. It's the state government's for not properly regulating the number of immigrants coming, while failing to meet the basic needs of their native citizens.

Haha

get a fucking job

I’m despising you for the fact you assumed I want to exploit immigrants and don’t care about all that. Just like every other far right cuck, you put words in everyone’s mouth and assume everyone who disagrees with you is a libtard. God forbid someone other than a conservative and a liberal makes a point!

Considering that Mexican Americans / Hispanics are the second largest population group in the U.S., you're really proving your lack of basic education mate. I mean, I get that European far leftists are typically uneducated knuckle dragging oafs. But you don't have to outdo yourself in living up to that stereotype.

Best argument ever made by trump supporter 2020.

I have a job fagit and I probably work more hours than you.

Damn well said, my friend

Jesus Christ you sound like a godzilla-size pantload.

I understand that, but surely we, as the largest economy and military power in the world, can do something about the problems creating these waves of immigration/refugees.

I have no problem with immigration control if the mass immigration starts visibly hurting our economy but I still feel that we have a vested interest in solving these problems that lead immigrants to us in the first place.

Mexican Americans are still Americans.
You are just proving the point that Republicans love to separate Americans by skin color/background.

Working 60 hours over a deep fryer doesn't beat a well paying 40 job, friendo.

Please tell me you're not European if you are gtfo

when the mexicans decide that winning the war against the cartels is worth any cost I will second guess a wall. but for now we should secure our borders.
but I also think we should invade mexico and make it the 51st state and absolutely demolish the cartels.

It's been proven that job losses in the US is due to automation and outsourcing. Illegal immigrants barely account for job loss. Its just an easy target.
Capitalism causes wage drops not illegals. Capitalism also causes increased housing prices, not illegals.

you can't separate the practicality or effectiveness from the morality. the jdea of a southern US border wall is not practical nor would it be effective (considering the vast majority of illegal aliens are people overstaying visas). therefore, building it is immoral as it literally only is there to say "fuck mexicans"

Adding o at the end of every word doesn't make it spanish stupid-o

user, you realize the comment he was responding to was the one making race / ethnicity an issue? Or are you legit this retarded and desperate to make some form of political argument while failing epically at it?

And then what? Will just trade Mexico for Central America bs

blame the people doing heroin. easy fix right here in america.

Mexicans hate the cartels theu are the fucking cancer of all crime

So you're wanting to let in a mass wave of immigrants to compete for an ever-shrinking pool of jobs, while accepting those jobs at a considerably lower wage - thus suppressing an already shrinking prevailing wage for native inhabitants....damn, you leftists really do suck at basic economics.

60 hours of hard processing labor yo. Dont fall for the college meme, you can be making 25+ operating a machine that runs itself. Homeowner at 24, multiple payed off cars, 50k in 401k already.

Fuck the college meme.

>boarder
Spells like a nigger

I hope you do work more hours than me.
I have a very easy life friendo.
I work from home and smoke weed all day.

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Nice role-play NEET faggot.

Still fun to say, now go make some fries

Not the Cred Forumstard you're responding to, but their post wasn't the one making race the center piece of the discussion. Maybe your mom shouldn't have drunk so heavily while you were in her cunt.

nobody will care about the wall we put up south of mexico

Every time Mexican citizens rally to fight against cartels or it's own corrupt government we always. Always. Always suppress them.

It's not beneficial for us for Mexico to advance. We need mexico in a 2nd world country state.

Found the typical repug scumbag. Way to welfare queen, you underemployed negro.

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Retard alert

Colossal waste of money. Billions of dollars and can be defeated by a hand saw.

How about you stop buying cars, you're not Jay leno. Want a house, save for it as top priority. Fuck your retarded generation, have fun playing with your hands tho. The world needs wierdos like you honestly.

Stupid-o to say rednecko

>So you're wanting to let in a mass wave of immigrants to compete for an ever-shrinking pool of jobs,
The only jobs illegal immigrants are going to be looking for are those types of jobs that pay "under the table," not blue collar jobs that actually check to see if you're, you know, a U.S. citizen. An illegal immigrant is going to be working farms and manual labor. Just ask Trump; he apparently hires a lot of them.

Says the construction worker that has multiple cars whining about how he can't afford a fucking house lol... Mobile home is your future perhaps?

Yeah just pointing out the first part. Hate all the misconceptions surrounding this topic.
Nope. Just dont like misconceptions and misinformation.
I'm not a leftists you just cant blame all your problems on illegas. Its getting kinda silly.

I dont care what you do lol you do whatever you want.
Dddddddamage control

walls work. look at Isreal
ZERO illegal immigration
we need what they have

It goes through indian reservations. These are sovereign lands and you cant take them without violating treaty.
It goes through private property which means displacing landowners.
It goes through ecologically sensitive areas. Animals like the Mexican black panther might be trapped on the wrong side from where their food/mates might be.
Its expensive and the money could be better spent on other projects that would make the border more secure. Most undocumenteds in the US came be aircraft or just overstayed visas, so a wall won't stop them.
Its upkeep will be expensive
It will need to be staffed, a wall that isn't guarded isn't a wall, people can cut through it.
Its a simplistic, jingoistic policy that's designed to appeal to simplistic, jingoistic people.

mass immigration would decrease the pay and availability of the lowest skilled jobs and therefore the poorest class of citizen. There was a reason Cesar Chavez patrolled the border with baseball bat back in his day.

I work full time and am in the 10%

I already have a house dude. I do need to save for a bigger one but I'm on the fence about buying moor? Building for the cars and tools and all that. That's 20k for a decent garage/building to store shit in.

Can you read? The question clearly said not to talk abt effectiveness or money

Says the guy that drives his house and married his cousin

Jesus yet another misconception about jobs.
Bro nobody in the US works under the table anymore this isnt the 90s. Illegals now work with fake SSNs for companies that dont run background checks. Yes they pay taxes.

Bs

Yo you are replying to some other dude I own my home bruh

>Bro nobody in the US works under the table anymore this isnt the 90s.
Largely untrue. Most still work under the table. The ones that do fake SSNs are usually working for large companies or individuals that want to increase profits illegally. Like Trump....

First off, You idiots Trump has Not been impeached UNTIL the senate votes it in. 2nd, So its ok for other countries to have walls but not america? I.e Great wall of china, Vatican, mexicos wall on their southern border

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FUCKING REKT

Non-cool aid drinking fag here. I honestly think building a wall is a decent band aid but only if it’s free. Spending money on it would be dumb af.

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There is no wall

And how the hairy fuck is it gonna be free?.

Build it

Are you serious right now? You think 12 million people just work at this magical "under the table" job.
I was a working illegal for 4 years. I work with illegals right now. I know the illegal community. Not just in this state either in 2 other states.

Not once have I ever heard of this magical "under the table" job. The only examples I can find of "under the table" is a guy who worked as a handyman for himself. And he still had to report his earnings.

The IRS doesn't give 2 fucks if you are illegal. They give you an ITIN number to do taxes with. Illegals mostly work for temp agencies or any sort of labor company big or small that doesn't run your social.

*Ahem*
"AND MEXICO WILL PAY FOR IT!" *autistic cheering*

Hahaha

Yes. It's a completely useless waste of money that has no impact on illegal immigration and it's immoral to waste billions in tax payer money just because it will pacify some stupid people.

Kek, oh yeah, I forgot that one. Kek. Must be going well as we never here about it anymore.....kek

>Is there anything morally wrong with a border wall?
>Not asking whether or not you believe it would be practical or effective. If it was practical, effective and paid for, would you support it if you wouldn't otherwise?
Yes. It's morally wrong to make us pray for a wall the majority of the country didn't want after promising others would pay for it.

It's morally wrong to lie about the type of wall you're going to build just to generate election hype.

It's morally wrong to declare a national emergency for the wall funding you want to circumvent the institution designed check and balance the executive even as you openly, on live TV, armour you didn't need to.

It's morally wrong to declare entire groups of people who are mostly innocent, desperate people looking for a better lives rapists and murderers. Just like it's morally wrong to try and treat blacks all as murderers (e.g. 13:50 %, implies that all of the 13% are murderers. They are not).

Morally? No. It's mostly opposed because it's stupid as fuck and pretty insulting since most illegal immigrants don't hop the border that way

I'm not looking forward to my section being built. The fence is going to split my property and make it so I can't get to my fucking fishing hole. I tried to appeal the plans so they'd go AROUND my property but they're idiots.

WALL IS DUMB