Union Thread

Yes unchecked power will corrupt. For both unions and companies.

This doesn't mean we throw them out completely. It means we allow them in a well regulated manner so that they can't become thugs (on both sides).

>You can’t undo the fact i was threatened by Maritime union when i worked at the docks that they’d blow my car up if i didnt join.
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When things are correct you dont need a union

I agree, but given that labor unions generally align to democrats, democrats have 0 incentive to regulate them.

And, if republicans are in power, any regulation they try to add to unionization will be viewed as "an attack on unions".

This an argument against a government propped union. There's a difference between a union, and a union given way too much power by the government. Just like allowing companies all the power can be bad, so can allowing a union all the power can be bad.

A well regulated economy where unions and companies are held in check can be beneficial.

Here is the difference between ameritards and eurochads

Niggers don't need a union to be lazy, they just use their skin color to get jobs they have zero knowledge about.

Yep, this is why competition is good. It's a market. You can take your skills elsewhere.

That's because Dems and Repubs are up each other's asses trying to 1-up each other and rip each other apart. Rather than... you know... RUN THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT.

It's the same as how any time Dems try to put forward any regulations in regards to guns, healthcare, etc, the Repubs flip their fucking shits.

This isn't a problem with unions.

It's a problem with the way we run our government antagonistically.

both groups are fed the idea they are free when nothing is further from the truth

there is no real difference

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as an American, it's always enjoyable to see a transit/transportation union protesting during peak travel seasons and screwing up Euro family holidays so they can get an extra dime

Foreman here. Just dealt with a union rep. Dumb bitch who doesn't read the agreement.

Associate was caught on camera by loss prevention having a 10+ minute conversation outside of their work area. Associate was written up and the time was disapproved/unpaid. Union rep came at me with the "uhhh you can't do that." I told her to show me where in the agreement it says I can't. Threatened to take it to the next level, I said have a nice day. I got full backing support of management and LP so I'm not concerned.

Unions are all stupid bullies who enable bad employees. If the employee isn't doing what they are supposed to be doing, you have every authority to get their ass. I don't give a shit if you hate your job, I don't give a shit if we get paid ass. You aren't going to make hard working employees earn your money for you, lazy ass faggot.

unions for private industry have their place. it's helpful for employees to negotiate from a position of leverage against a private employer.

public sector unions are bullshit. their ultimate employers are the taxpayers, who do not have a direct voice in employee negotiations. union lobbying in this case ensures that weak employees get undue protection and union salaries are inflated beyond market values to the detriment of taxpayers

Jesus, how willfully blind can you be? This happened to me as well, and there are thousands of stories like this.

"i accepted being a slave so everyone should be one or its not fair!"

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But easier for people who want to work hard to do the work, then people who don't like working hard don't have to suffer. Onions help make this fairness a reality

>Lazy nigger detected.

Get it through your head, nobody likes working with you.

the only job that i took that had a union, told me being a member was mandatory and i was a kid so i still dont know if thats legal

Ok boomer

Enjoy your loneliness as soon as even your beloved ones dump you in a statal retirement house. Most of the staff is niggers in there, btw.

get it through your head, nobody likes working AT ALL

i hate when people are like "if i hit the lottery iwould have to work anyway I WOULD BE SOOOO BOOOOOREEEED"

cant wait till the infrastructure is destroyed and you starve to death. Your hard work did so much for you.

>shit meme

That is great social commentary and intellectually honest. Nazi's will never understand.

I don't know about you, but I absolutely loathe working with useless employees.

If I see my coworkers fucking off, wasting time, and generally making my life harder because I have to pick up their slack, the last thing I want to do is protect them.

All employees at a company are on a bell-curve of performance. And, you'll always have a bottom 15% of performers. This bottom 15% should be constantly cut and replaced, in an effort to shift the curve right.

tl;dr fuck you lazy and useless employees at any company. I don't even consider you human.

The problem with that comic is that the employer isn't one person. It's a group. A company, you might even say.
Unless you're fortunate enough to be in an exceedingly small business, you're not dealing with one person, you're dealing with a management and HR team, backed by executives who are themselves backed by multiple owners.

Now, Unions are far from perfect. I'm not a fan of union exclusivity - having a single union have a monopoly over a given market segment is a recipe for corruption and graft - which is exactly what we see. And even without that, any organization can become more about its own perpetuation than its original purpose. We should always keep organizations that purport to represent us accountable.

Bottom line is collective bargaining is often necessary and useful, and that's what Unions are fundamentally about.

Why the fuck should the relationship be equal?

idk why guy didnt like that one, those memes are much tee hee. and not even against his point

EVERYONE HAS TO WORK AS HARD AS I CHOOSE TO

>the irony being this is how workers unions operated under the Nazis
>inb4 literal brainlet history “t-t-the nazis didnt like unions!”

That's because you're a faggot that can't do shit yourself.

>Work for my wage?!
>SLAVERY!

Oh believe me, I hate my job. I'd rather it *did* collapse because I'd be growing my own vegetables.

I'm a working foreman, so generally my ass is right down there with the workers. Usually because somebody is sick for the third time that month. I have no problem with people hating their job. What I do have a problem with is people thinking they are innocent little victims when they don't follow the rules. Or that they think their big bully union rep is going to beat brow me into dismissing the discipline. I tell them all the same: Do what you got to do. But realize I'm going to do the same.

I have respect for the ones that fuck off, get the write up, and admit they know it was wrong but just didn't care.

>i hate when people are like "if i hit the lottery iwould have to work anyway I WOULD BE SOOOO BOOOOOREEEED"
You do realize that for many people, retirement is like a fucking train crashing into them, because they literally don't know what to do with themselves.

>the only time i encountered a union is when i would have pissed my big boy pants if they threatened me
>therefore other people’s experiences with unions are obviously false

You need to stop pretending like you’re an adult, when adults are talking.

Nice non-sequitor there, brainlet.

time traded for currency isnt in itself slavery

if the wage is non negotiable and set at a national standard at an amount available for only food and shelter if that, and on top of it the government itself takes 30% of whatever you generate, its fucking slavery.

there isnt another word for it

sounds like a problem suicide can fix to me.

i have no issue filling my own time.

> That's because you're a faggot that can't do shit yourself.
No, I've gotten plenty myself. I've literally never used the union I'm a member of (and have harshly criticized them as a member on many occasions). Every pay rise and accommodation I have gotten from my employer I negotiated for. Not everyone is in such a fortunate position as I am, though, and my position may one day change.

union only exist to make the union leaders rich.

they protect union workers because they are the ones they've duped into paying them dues.

they served a purpose once, but mostly at the expense of the workers. now they just shill for themselves and the democratic party.

source: used to be a union member.

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its starting to become apparent that you have a permanent stance and any conversation with you is meaningless.

exactly. this is the bullshit people don't understand.

union only furthers their interest rather than benefit the whole.

It’s not the fuckin 90s anymore dude, no company I’ve worked for uses affirmative action. Unions are the new affirmative action, which is exactly my point.

you mean like
GOVERNMENTS AND CORPORATIONS AND
HUMANS IN GENERAL!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

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What’s that beside a massive cope that I am 100% right and you quite literally have not a single thing of value to add to the conversation about genuine workplace experiences with unions?

I AND OTHERS HAVE GIVEN TANGABLE PERSONAL FIRST HAND ACCOUNTS THAT YOU DISMISSED WITH "NO UNIONS ARE GOOD AND YOU MADE THAT UP"

i had caps on while i typed and didnt notice til later so u can read it in caps

Why did they put Pinocchio as a leader of the Union?

> take a job that expects I work 40/week and it's mutually agreed upon at offer
> decide I only want to do 15% of the work, because I'm either unable to or don't want to do my job as is required.
> "WHY ARE YOU MAD AT ME FOR DOING THE BARE MINIMUM???"

Because you're a burden on society, not a benefit. And if you're able to work you should be contributing to society, not being a filthy leech begging in the streets for tendies from those who give a shit about their job and society.

Not sure where you've worked, but AA is in action in just about every tech firm in the country, because minorities and women are "underrepresented" there.

Many years ago, my dad got a job a Champion (they made gas fuel tanks). It was primarily union, but he hadn't joined. Anyway, he was working there for idk, a month or so & the higher ups came to him & asked if they could observe him, as production had gone way up & they believed him to be the reason. The union workers got PISSED. JimmiesRustled.gif Threatened him. Slashed tires. Etc. He quit because they said it wouldn't stop unless he worked slower than the union guys or quit. Since then, I've always held a belief that unions are dangerous & often shady.

fuck off. worked at a vegas casino for 11 years. every pay raise the union "got us", they upped the dues too, so the take home was scraps.

they did nothing when management wanted to increase our workloads or moved employee parking so far we had to wait in the heat for shuttles to take us to and from the lot.

i like that you think money is a good system and people who dont liek it are the problem

Its all rainbows and roses if you’re a pussy, and give into their threats, then they suck what money they can out of your paycheck for the privilege of harassing you and isolating you in the workplace by turning your colleagues against you.

If you don't like the society you live in, leave it or try to change it.

But don't come to me for a free lunch, you leech.

If you and I were in a tribe of

>tell me i can choose my hours
>tell me certain $/h
>tell me raise after probation
>work really hard
>always on time
>never call out
>probation over
>ask for raise
>.50 cents
>6months pass
>ask for raise
>50 cents
>making less than food stamps
>busting my ass
>decide to stop working hard
>the only thing that changes is my effort

dis nigga mad.

he's a wage slave.

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In this scenario, the thug ends up being the govt doing the regulation. Because in not too short of time, the corporation will lobby the govt (pay them) to make sure to regulate in a way that ends up benefiting those at the top of the corporation & no one else. Which is why we are where we are in the US. Can't compete with them either because they've regulated the competition out of viability & continue down that path.

Prime example. They literally exist to Keep unproductive, Lazy people in jobs, and violently protest anyone who isnt as useless and a push over as they are.

everyone gets to do whatever they want including me

you have chosen to chastise me

i have chosen to ignore you

So what you’re saying is eliminate food stamps?

You obviously do not work in skilled trades.

>my experience is universal and absolute

Jesus I hope you didn’t teach anything important. You’re a moron.

You experienced a union before your balls dropped. Your experience is invalid

Its either that or pay a living wage to workers so it makes more sense to cut food to me

its retarded to work 40 hours and not make enough for rent and food. without a car or insurance etc. thats all a pipe dream at this point

unions care about one thing... dues!

Is this straight up a political thread?
Cred Forums usually don't do this shit.

your invalidation of another individuals experience is invalid as you are not a licenced professional union critic

Funny you mentioned the 90's, that's when it happened. But no one can tell me blacks still don't use their skin color as an edge to get what they want.

"If you don't like the job you have, you're free to leave and work somewhere else."

Nigger I've been working since 2011 and almost every 1.5-2 years I moved to a different company and had my income increase ~35% each time.

Thinking a company is going to give you a good raise out of the kindness of their hearts is a boomer mentality. You and the business are engaged in a business transaction. If that transaction no longer works for you, then engage in business with somewhere else.

Companies have no loyalty to you, and nor you to them. Neither of you are owed such a thing.

If you want more money, make sure your skills are good for the market, and shop around for a better job.

If doing what you want includes nothing, then you'll starve. Or where will your food and shelter come from? Gibs? Do you want gibs user? Doing what I want could be exterminating people like you, but fortunately we live in a civil society where that's frowned upon.

I hope mommy is microwaving your tendies for you.

random is random

Suffer? Why work somewhere you consider suffering? Jobs are available. Try something else. Or look into starting a business. Or sell your butthole for money.

>living wage

For who?
You really think tarring MILLIONS with the same brush is going to work out for each and every one of those millions?

You are the quenessential definition of a cock sucker. You'd cut your mother's throat to keep your cum guzzling foreman position.

My brother was in a union.
He retired at 59 with a full pension.
Now he travels the world.
He's a faggot just for the record.

licensing crew was on a union break

>get job out of highschool
>18 bucks hour to start
>in union, 50 bucks every 6 months no big deal
>have health, dental, retirement plans
>contract time comes up
>offered big sums to vote out union
>people take offer
>pay lowered to 15 bucks an hour, price of health and dental insurance almost double, no more retirement
i feel bad for the dudes that were life long employees, seems the union was working for them, until they hired 100 people over the summer, voted away the union, then had a "slow down" and had to lay off those same 100 guys who helped vote out the union. i was only using it as a job to pay for trade school

This is now a porkie meme thread

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Currently a union member and I couldn't agree more.

Yes. Tons of stories of people dying right after they stop working & don't take up a serious hobby. Old people sometimes just die from feeling like they're not needed. Obviously not the majority of them, or there wouldn't be nursing homes. I'm just saying, it is a thing.

Yeah Obamacare sure made health insurance costs crazy huh?

>AA is in action in just about every tech firm in the country
[citation needed]

Unions basically organized crime. "Nice company you have here, pay us or we burn it to the ground."

I'm a fan of universal but Obamacare absolutely made health insurance more expensive.

Most companies are opting for high-deductible plans, which are cheaper in terms of monthly dues to employee and employer, but the deductible is far higher.

Back in the day, a yearly deductible might be ~$500. Now it's 2-3k.

this was before obamacare. the plant i worked at shut down a few years later, due to nafda or something clinton had done years before, they ended up opening plants in mexico and south korea. im a lineman now so i never have to worry about being out of a job, but it sucks for the guys who work somewhere for 20 years to be told some mexican is going to be doing their job for 1/8th the pay

You used to be in a non-skilled labor union.

I don't remember slaves signing terms of employment agreements prior to becoming slaves..... and then being able to quit any time they want.

obamacare literally made healthcare more expensive for everyone except those who were getting free health care already, dummy.

lol okay xoomers.

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"if you dont liek it leave"
Nigger ive been working since i was 16. Its the same everywhere. They want to burn your body out for profit and not share a cent. Youwork somewhere 3 years, get fired or quit cus it sucks or doesnt pay, anf get hired somewhere else for a dollar more cus its been a year or 5 and the base wage has gone up. gj starting over and over again instead of sticking it out at 1.

I adapted to my environment and now my work to money ratio is a little more appropriate.
I dont want free anything, i could totally apply for food and section 8 cus i dont have a familybut i dont cus i also think its scummy and would rather die than ask for help, idk how homeless ppl do it.

I liek to earn what i have and give what is owed to people i owe. Employers dont feel the same and im not going to be their superman.

i could easily walk into the woods and live the rest of my life like those old mountain grandmas who gave up on society. I have the survival/tool/construction/what the fuck ever skills required. its just a ton of work, which we established im not into.

ill cruise on my fulltime shitty job, persue my hobbies and improve my skills. till the happening and then ill go live in the wilderness cus nobody will want to be around civilization at that point

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Mine went from $153 / month to over $500.

people ghet to take breaks, theyre human.

youre one of those faggots who thinks legal means moral and correct

You should learn a trade. Pay is really good & tons of people are too pussy to do the work so there's a lot of jobs available right now.

Spoken like a true rat.

im interested i nafew but not as life long obligations

i dont want to be tied to a business in a location

Where do you live? Blue state? Liberal city?

What do you consider massive money? In the US you can see what every head honcho makes. Scabs deserve the harrasment since in a right to work state they still get equal treatment when they need a steward

I'd rather have a union pension than some 401k plan that's mostly my money anyway.

I smell a salty services industry worker.

Massachusetts, where you have to have 3 full time jobs, a side hustle, and government assistance, just to be poor.

Yes it is legal only if you arent in a right to work state implying you are US

Unions are good for people who are mostly lazy or have no ambition but need to work because things cost money. They benefit mostly minorities in my experience. The argument is they need to exist so that the big bad corporations don’t use merit and accomplishment to determine whether a person is fit to earn a decent wage. People who are forced to be in one, because they have no choice in the matter, are brainwashed into believing they have to buy into it. But when I lived in Maryland I worked for a small company with union manufacturing employees and we voted to leave the IAW and everyone who did a good job got a good raise and people who didn’t got laid off. It was great. I’ll never be on board with unions and their horseshit politics.

Every good thing that you have in your current or future job is the result of unions.

5 day work week: Unions.
Insurance: Unions.
Safe work environment: Unions.
8 hour work days: Unions.
Maternity leave: Unions
Paid holidays: Unions.
Overtime: Unions.

The idea that management would ever grant any of these out of "the kindness of their hearts" is just stupid.

ya it was at will so i assume they are allowed to infringe on the constitution and force me to accept the terms of a contract through waver

do you want to eat, or do you want the right to say thats not fair

ya thats what i thought, sign here

I used to work at a university. The janitors made more than starting professors due to the union. Fuck that.

So you can collectively bargain for the benefits of boomers that the rest of us have to work and pay for?

Fuck you.

gg/ aQu7ce

in west europe you don't get your employer telling you whether you can date a coworker.
there's so much shit that goes on in the us that just wouldn't fly in europe.

What would happen if u kept cutting the bottom 15% for not reforming fast enuff?

Eventually u would create a demand to lets say install 100 lights, meanwhile it was just 25 lights 5 years ago....

You don't realize this mybe because ur a kid or have no real job exp but the example you gave would eventually push expectations to an unreasonably high standard and then eventually when u guys cant keep up with the rising demand of lights, ur just ganna get half money for 100 lights by people willing to get less. Ie immigrants or others with lower life qualitys.

maybe allocate the money more in line with how its generated/

you know, the labor gets done by the laborers and the boss and the unions get paid?

you guys can wild circlejerk about how thats acceptable, ill watch

This is a great point. Corporations that have a national presence do pay slightly different amounts for starting wages in different regions, but it's nowhere near reflective of the actual difference in cost of living. Example: When I left Vegas in 2010, In-n-out burger started employees at $10/hr. Living wage last time I checked was just under $20/hr. Now, in Ohio, I see burger joints advertising that their starting wage is $10/hr. Idk what starting is in Vegas right now, but I bet it isn't a whole lot more. Certainly not $20/hr. Rent there is way higher than here.

you have to tell your boss 2 weeks in advance when you plan to quit working even tho hes in no financial danger if you were to just suddenlynot show up.

you have a full time job so its not a stretch to assume its your main income

can fire u day of no warning

totally fair, makes a lot of sense,definitely not backwards

>Unions created a 40 hour work week
>Unions created the weekend

You are the union, what do you do for it?

Union rep here as a millwright in a foundry. Currently merging from GMP to the USW union. My dues are currently $54 a month but think they will be about $75. I get remimbursed since im a rep so doesnt matter. Goes off hours worked and your pay

I have plenty of work experience, and I worked at plenty of companies that have this exact strategy.

It's called "leveling". The a good employer (and I've had many) wants engaged employees that are motivated to perform well, and will reward good performance. However, that employer also recognizes that at any given time, roughly 30% of their employees are sub optimal and working inefficiently. No matter what the employer does, this will always be the case simply because of statistics.

However, the employer is able to, slowly and over the course of decades, shift the efficiency and productivity of their company higher and higher by ever-increasing the quality demands of the work. Near the end of such a cycle, most employees are highly qualified, highly educated, and highly motivated. Understanding that the highly-skilled employees have many choices in the job market, they will also continuously increase rewards and pay for their employees.

An example of this is Microsoft. They've been using leveling since the early 2000's and have reaped massive rewards from their employee performance continuing to increase.

>there is no real difference
you tell yourself that because you don't realize how fucked you truly are

all i got from that is
>im a bigshot
>i pay money
>i get the money back so i dont rly care

im having trouble figuring out why you posted

Underrated post

"im paying 30 coppers and if youre not happywith that you cant work here"

you dont get to control the market by firing people who wont work hard for laughable wages just because there will always be a pablo to take the coppers

We brother

how fucker WE truely are

10000011eleventy!% correct
>be me
>consultant
>picked up federal contract
>big agency, several unions
>fucktards, fucktards everywhere
>nobody get fired for anything
>pieces of shit wasting 100's of millions of taxpayer cash and nobody gives a shit
>someone would have to kill somebody at work to get fired, anything else gets "counseled and reassigned"
>zero work gets done most days by any federal employees
>meetings are scheduled literally for any reason as a way to pass time and avoid work
>any work that's actually done is performed by contractors costing double because of all the layers of contracting firms involved
>unions rule every fucking thing and block any progress or attempt to automate operations
>place is like a time capsule filled with old shit

Fuck public sector unions

are they hiring?

Nice strawman.

Now let me tell you how this actually works.

>> A given role, with 50-100 employees in the same role, has a salary range of 70-100k/annually + Typical benefits
>> Bonuses and raises are included in this role, based on a variety of known performance metrics. For example, exceeds expectations might result in a bonus range of 20-25% while "meets expectations" might result in a bonus range of 10-15%.
>> For raises, an inflation rate raise is default, with any additional percentage raise on top of that being based on performance. For example, an "exceeds expectations" may net a 4-7% increase in salary YoY. This is a very generous raise, and it helps the company maintain a manageable attrition rate.
>> Over the course of, maybe 3 years, an employee that started at 70k and is a high performer, could end up with a salary of 85k/year with 15-20k in bonuses each year.

This isn't 30 shekels. It's a bonus/raise structure used by many corporations in the US, today. It's not at all prevalent in the service sector, because those are unskilled jobs. But for skilled labor, this is becoming the norm. Companies that don't follow the above structure have high attrition rates, poor productivity, and often fail once they peak

>> How do I know this?
Executive MBA in both corporate governance and international business.

>be my mom
>be working at factory w/good pay & healthcare for my whole life until about 19 years old
>Factory decides it's a good idea to move the whole operation to Mexico & make more profits off cheap labor
>Factory terminates everyone, but gives them 2 yrs college paid as a 'oops, sorry bout ur luck'
>Factory does ask some to come to Mexico to help train beaners
>Mom goes to college & works in insurance now
>Find out whole ex-business has been given the big OOF
>Beaners couldn't learn the jobs
>No money to undo the OOF
>Bankrupt.png

Being in a union won’t benefit the individual below
It’s a fucking gimmick bullshit to make you believe that your shitty ass position is worth being accounted for
Reality is: most unions are just a separate hierarchy that benefits those at the top
Everyone below tries so hard to eat out of the ass of the person sitting on top of them which results in a lot of conflicts perpetuated by lies, deceit, power struggles and narcissism

I work at a job where the union recently renegotiated the collective convention which advantages the new guys(like me) to a way better entry level salary with a bunch of advantages
But the purpose of this was only done so that the company stops hiring retarded niggers from temp agencies that wastes the company money by half assing their work by being lazy and doing the least minimum

Yeah sure, i shouldn’t talk shit about the union but it was only to serve their own social interests because no one wants to work or socialize around a lazy piece of shit who works like an ass on purpose

Offshoring isn't always successful, and can often be dangerous to the success of a business.

Risk is massive, capital investment is substantial, and public-relations nightmare is highly likely.

Oh, I'll add to this that corporations make these policies very public to their employees. They do this so that under performing employees, who aren't getting the raises or bonuses "they think they deserve", the problem "works itself out".

As in, you don't have to worry about firing your shitty employees anymore because they'll quit because they feel they're not getting their gibs.

Works every time.

Not "are destroying", more correctly "have destroyed".

till u get sued in a legitimate case

this is 100% unfounded and completely bullshit.

nobody is paying that or following these rates of increase

its not gone till its gone friend, we could fix it in an hour still

How and why would the firm be sued?

If the performance metrics are defined and known by both parties, failing to achieve the defined metrics, while not necessarily grounds for termination, is certainly not grounds for a bonus or raise either.

Americans love to deep throat the cock of capitalism.
They think they're all going to be Warren Buffet some day.
This false dream keeps the proles in line.

I agree with this; also applies in UK. Local government is a giant money sponge topped off with nepotism, favouritism, cronyism and plain old corruption.

When (much) younger I was forced to join a union because of closed shop, even though I was white-collar. Annual pay increases were agreed between management and shop-floor and, because of union agreements, that's what we office-based guys got. No individual bonuses, just a pay scale, so you knew what everyone else was on, within a few £100's. The fuckers in the union also took a political contribution from you every month unless you actually opted out - guess what I did?

When I changed companies I resigned in a flash and never joined another again; was able to negotiate my own raises and got bonuses

I remember the bad old days of closed shop, union convenors and reps, working to rule and job demarcation.

Side note - unions arose because of unscrupulous employers and hazardous working conditions, which was a good thing but, like all these things, the pendulum swung too far and unions often appoint themselves as effectively management and safety inspectors

out of all the jobs i had only1 super corporate entity cared at all about metrics. what you are refering to effects such a tiny ammount of workers its pretty invalid for the purposes of discussing average unions and union good or bad in general.

its corporate favoritism and provable to a jury. its easy to show how long youve been there and that you have a history of good attendance and that youre making substantially less than people hired after you who cant be proven to be more valuable to the company in any way

If you think that's true you don't work in corporate America.

Develop a skill and you'll see firms reward it well.

F100 firms aren't incompetent. The current job market benefits corporate employees, so they've made significant efforts to reduce attrition and increase their investment in talent.

No, this is not true. In most states, an employee/employer relationship is at-will. An employer can terminate you at any time, for any reason, as long as it doesn't violate a law (such as protected classes).

As for your example, good attendance is not usually a metric for corporate employees. It's a bare minimum expectation, kind of like wearing pants and a button-down, if your office has a dress code.

And, don't conflate two people doing two different roles, making two different incomes, as favoring one employee over another. In the same IC group, doing the same job (same job description), there is almost always a salary range. And 100% of employees fall within that range. Most corporations have this range documented, and the range is a bell-curve,

no

>> "who cant be proven to be more valuable to the company in any way"

This is why corporations always have defined metrics for their roles.

If one of those metrics is "sell 10m units per quarter", and you sell 8m per quarter, you're not necessarily going to be fired, but you'll need to do better to improve your performance.

i dont think you know what always means

i think you mean almost never

Everyone there has big noses. HMMMMMM

If it's not a shithouse, it'll have metrics.

Not having metrics for your employees is a massive risk, for exactly the reasons you mentioned (if you're ). If they don't have metrics, a fired employee or disgruntled employee could claim the bonuses and raises are arbitrary or based on nepotism and sue.

A company interested in not being sued will have performance metrics.

yes, this is the case at 99% (literally) of my jobs including current

there are no metrics, spoiler most jobs are shitholes and not ivory tower megamillion corporations

maybe they beat the crap out of you because you're nothing more than a bootlicker cuck

this post lololololololol

people like you exist lololololol
lolol
lololloolo

And most shithole companies fail.

"Shithole" companies often have a high-risk appetite or have done no risk analysis at all. Not coincidentally, most of the shithole companies die or are bought by larger more organized firms.

>Here is the difference between ameritards and eurochads
Not exactly. Americans that cry over unions are the ones who are too stupid to pass the test or too lazy to do the apprentice work. I'm in an electrical union and we get pain a shit ton of money.. Who the fuck would complain or quit like this faggot

FYI, as an example, many consulting companies fail because of this.

Why? Because when one guy starts a consulting firm with no prior experience in running a business, they don't consider things like this.

The thing is, they've served their purpose & run out of shit to make into rules. Just like govt. At some point, you're done. If they admitted that, then the govt would shut down & all that would happen is enforcement of the rules we have. The power hungry can't have that though. Gotta keep thinking up shit to make into rules to justify getting this money/dues.

implying people who dont take an option you personallysee as good are retarded.

i dont want to lock myself to a job making it so im literally someone elses property or i lose all my lifes work and progress.

Wrong. I know I'll never be rich. Don't get me wrong. I'm comfortable but i think we as Americans like the idea of those that want to reach sky high dreams can if they put their minds to it. God bless America!

no. theres only enough for that if you take it out of the mouths of others.

you can pretend you earned it but you know you didnt no matter how late you stay after work

Oh. And it's Cred Forums so I must call you a faggot.

I leave not one minute after 5pm. You Don't know what you're talking about.

it was euphemism for "working hard" while jews give you sheckles and the rest of the world burns

My dad just passed. I get 3 days off and could take more time if I need. I get 4 weeks paid time vacation. I get 12 sick days a year. They contribute to my retirement. Murica!

Doesn't sound too corporate greedy.

Yeah. Blame it on the Jews. Fuck off

you talk about money but you seem to have no idea where it comes from

where banks come from

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And what part of the world burns? You must be in Eastern Europe. Western Europe seems to be doing just fine.

google chicago livefeed lol

fuckign shelterd i swear

if the people whos job it is to keep you informed werent the people actively fucking you i would call you a retard

These people work hard. Stop being jelly. Educate yourself and make it happen or continue to whine and sit in your squalor.

1.Unions made america great
2.top tax rates never stopped rich people from being rich
3.when unions got busted they sent all our jobs overseas
4. we need high union membership again

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willfully blind

check

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Exactly my point. If you apply yourself you can go far. If you sit on your ass, you'll end up like Detroit.

good for you, but I can assure you AA is still in full swing

im genuinely sorry for your ignorance

IBEW I make 47 an hour and have awesome benefits and enjoy work. Fuck yall haters

WW2 was not when anyone says were the great years

So basically you have no skills. I'd kill myself before I settled for a min wage job. You sound kinda useless user.

The US also leads in the number of niggers and spics it has.

Anything more specific? All I got was weather cams downtown and Wrigley Field

ask me questions if you want to know about me. makeing shot in the dark guesses is usually inaccurate here.

stated before i have skills

im not interested in employment

fpbp

>guy rests for 10 minutes
>actually takes the time and effort to write them up for "stealing company time" equating to pocket change
Office-squatting prema donnas like you are honestly the most insufferable in any workplace. Get your CCTV watching ass off your chair and move some shit you lazy piece of shit if that's what you're going to bitch about. I'm not even siding with unions, you're genuinely just a trash human being. Was it worth it to save 2-3 whole dollars for the company?

i was thinking this too when i replied to this post but i left it out cus its just a moral thing and not a legal issue.

i dont expect humans to be decent

Amerifats be Amerifatting

How so? I open to be educated

ITT: a whole bunch of retards with jobs
Ha ha you dumb faggots. Go back to work and get off my Cred Forums you fucking normie newfag retards
Fuck jobs and fuck unions and fuck all of you

Can you expect someone to have to be able to determine what offenses are and are not worth company time and resources? If the guy is regularly doing this, it's arguable he's wasting company time/resources. But in this case, it takes more to pay people to process that claim than the claim itself is worth. That's just being an incompetent waste of people's time just to flex on unions.

But employment is kind of important. Not only to provide income but to provide purpose.

Thanks troll

You would be surprised how fit Americans are. There are some big ones tho

Yes, yes, rationalize it to yourself. Im just making fun of you arent i? Theres no substance here, how could there be?
Way to go, cog. Back to worth with you.

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Eurotards dont understand size

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ameritards are now so used to the taste of the corporate cock they can't think of a life in which they don't humiliate and diminish themselves every single day

Problem with unions is that they got so big union leadership just became another layer of suits rather than older guys who worked themselves up through the ranks of their industry. Add to this problem of unions using dues money for things like political donations. Organizations of any kind PACs, businesses, unions should be prohibited from making political donations.

Remove the political need for more money and the 6-figure suit layer and union dues can 1) be much less and 2) be seen as more relevant to the individual worker.

At least in the US, early union leaders did more to end slavery than Lincoln. Its a shame that so many people have forgotten the value of unions because of the corruption of national union leadership.

No. We're not slaves. You can still choose to be homeless, a slacker a guy like me that gets by and comfortable or strive to be rich. Why do people have problems with this? The Feds should step in and fix the homeless problem.

once a union starts "deducting" fees from your salary, or worse, from non union workers salaries the pendulum has swung too far.

top tax rates were made to punish the stupid who didn't know how to write stuff off. (This actually fucked people who were starting to get into business) Most of the rich never even paid as much as they do total (accounting for inflation)
Also mostly men worked while women stayed home, cooked, cleaned, did hobbies, hung out with other mothers and day drank, then got fucked every night.
This didn't mean they couldn't be educated. As the old saying goes
"I don't care what you do as long as you aren't cheating and dinner is ready for me when I get home"
Women were healthier, happier, and smarter.
The whores back in highschool only slept with about 2-3 guys the whole time which is different today.
To tie this all together the population was also extremely small and having mostly men working kept the pay rate up. That means they could afford a good life while the mom would shop and help the economy.

Unions were great but now there are too many backdoor deals to only help those running the unions. The people cannot object because they cant get the random day and time off for the meetings that were meant to voice concerns.

money isnt important. what you get from money isnt important

only when the last bee is dead
when the last tree is felld
the last river polluted
will you realize

you cant eat money

choosing death over slavery isnt to choose

youre dumb

underrated and a shame every american isnt forced to read this post before voting

And I love Reagan but he closed down the mental institutions in the late 70s as Governer of California. In the 70s, there was a true transient riding the rails now and then.

Because your union doesn't represent you anymore and is its own little business

How many alterboys have u blown this week?

not nearly enough

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