Do you think this is a reasonable position?

based

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When my daughter was born she had emergency surgery and spent several days in intensive care. At no point did I ever think " boy I wish the government would take care of this"
Bill was $223k...I still have negative net worth 20 years later.

Well I guess I'm lucky and have amazing health insurance and don't have to worry about shit.

Poverty is caused by bad morals and bad life decisions.

who are those whom liberal run countries allow to get treated FREE to them,educate them,leaving poorer natives to pay down 30K$s paypaypay for years
paying for marked up everything,combs,they are charged eleven bucks for small toothpaste tube,personal care kits they get drilled for 50 bucks,,only worth a buck and a half what the horsepistol actually pays the vendors,
technology used,,MRIs blood workups,anasthesia,,doctors malpractice insurance premiums,residents' school tuition loans,( free grants to foreign 3d world students,,non citizens)
who works for free?,put that in your crack pipes for your one payer healthcare boys,,smokit

>Not wanting to pay $140K for some gauze pads and an aspirin
What the fuck is wrong with people?

samefag.

it's not your fault the re-release of wc3 tanked

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Yah! Fuck people that work hard and earn their keep. It's not my fault I decided to not go to college or join the military or learn a trade. I shouldn't have to suffer because I choose to be a cashier at McDonald's at 25.

>if you're not a burden on society then you're out of toych with reality
Is this really what mantally ill faggots believe?

Ungrateful fucks don’t realize the people they hate are paying taxes on taxes for them already. Get insurance and live within your means. It’s easy.

Why live within your means when someone else can pay for it?

I feel that way towards the government. They don't give a fuck what stupid ass healthcare system they implement, hence Obamacare, because they already have that shit covered no problem.

>wealthy
>don’t have 30 grand

I don’t think you know what wealthy means

I do not think this is a reasonable position.

Because that same person who is "rich" or "lucky" would be the one footing the bill via higher taxes. Therefore it affects them, therefore they have a thought.

This, if you're rich and pay your dues well yeah you're gonna get the best healthcare you can afford, what you mad someone can get something you can't?

>reality most of us have to live with

Only about 9% of the US population is without health insurance. So “most of us” don’t need or want universal health care.

Tax the rich
Feed the poor
Till there are no
Rich no more

I'm sorry I may have had a better run of luck than you, but that doesn't make your argument any more logical.

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I do. most people use their wealth to acquire assets. My father in-law lives on a multi million dollar piece of property, He's literally have millions of dollars in the bank

Okay then why the fuck do poor people get to vote on shit that only affects rich or middle class? Poor fags stay the fuck out of our politics
-devils nigger

Anyone who has millions in assets and isn’t smart enough to carry health insurance, deserves to lose it all

No. Rich people didn't cause the problem, and they pay a fortune for health care.

The war between doctors and hospitals and insurance companies and lawyers is what's made insurance so high. If there were no such thing as insurance, costs would be way down.

>>I dont care how many people proove me wrong, me and my tight circle of friends is the only validation i need.
Self defeating attitude, because even though shes right, fuck her and her stupid face for starting the argument with a negative slant.

Free market would stop it being $100,000 you know like when it wasn’t $100,000 before the government started interfering with it

BUT MUH HEALTHCARE

Yeah it’s so expensive because the government regulates it out the ass. Why do you think literally everything that isn’t heavily regulated and influenced by politics is so cheap? Because faggots like you keep getting brainwashed into thinking it’s the rich when in reality it’s the commie fuck government.

Stupid fucking niggers always being ignorant of who actually stops them succeeding.
Go get lynched.

Sure, to the extent that a libtard can be reasonable. So... not at all.

Shut up, libtard.

Sure libtard.

Get a job, libtard.

Shut up, libtard.

Seethe, libtard.

Dilate, libtard.

Insurance doesn't cover everything. Even really expensive plans can leave things out that you never anticipated. Plenty of insured people have gone bankrupt for medical bills. The information is out there. You are very obviously incorrect.

>you're able to make good life decisions so not only should you be forced to subsidize my poor life decisions, you shouldn't even be entitled to have an opinion on doing it

No, just some loser jealous that he didnt manage his life half as well as he manages his Destiny characters

RETARD if we stop working class families from dying we wont be able to afford our 8 million weapons deals and wars for israel

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When you're paying for something, you should always have a say. If this position is to make any sense, you'd have to offer an opt-out of the taxes that pay for the system.

>buying health insurance
Or... OR... just don't get sick, idiot.

You should have gone in the military. I get all that shit free and only had to do 2 years of service.

Sure libtard.

>she
it's a 35 year old man

Shut up, libtard.

So your healthcare should be contingent upon military service alone? what about cops, fire fighters, surgeons ect?

Obviously youre not living within your means if you cant afford insurance and did nothing in your life to change that. Health Insurance is more important than going out on a Friday night or Playstation games.

Speaking of "out of touch", this person doesn't realize someone with enough money to live modestly and not work has the same problems of the unemployed when it comes to health insurance. Its hard to get and expensive. I have money, and don't want to lose everything because I get sick with some weird illness. So yes, I support universal healthcare, or at least a system where we can buy insurance for a reasonable price. I support the pre-existing conditions clause, and would appreciate a straight-forward insurance market that doesn't go up your ass like the IRS. Similar to car insurance, you apply, you buy. It shouldn't be this complicated. People who don't understand this are angry at the wrong people. If I have surgery, or a millionaire has surgery, or a poor person has surgery, it should be the same quality and cost the same price.

So you have money, but you shouldn't have to spend it on your own needs? I hope you get ebola

imagine not wanting to pay a little extra tax for universal healthcare,wild, as much as the NHS is shit on after spending 3 weeks in hospital, being on morphine, the ambulance taking me there, food and prompt treatment I came out without having to pay a penny out of pocket, yeah I know the UK is a shithole in and of itself but still, feels good not having to kill myself over crippling medical debt

I dont give a fuck about them I worry about myself and my family and earned my coverage. Stop making excuses.

>European Prime Time

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Sure libtard.

You fail to realize, that other 90% is not insured because of full time employment. Theres a ton of people on low income assistance, and about a third of the country gets medicare over 65 y/o. Your 9% exists in the middle, working part time with no bennies or are hardheads who refuse to buy insurance through the ACA.

Seethe, libtard.

Fucking Americans

>pay a little extra tax for universal healthcare
You have obviously never been to an emergency room in a US hospital before.The majority of people there are for dumb shit (colds,muscle aches,heartburn etc....) "a little extra tax" isnt going to cut it.Medical specialist visits alone will kill your theory.

No. The same argument is made about men having opinions on pro-choice/life topics. Just because someone isn't in the situation to experience what it's like doesn't stop them from empathizing with it.

Quit being poor. Simple solution to a simple problem asshole

I'm not mad, I'm just confused about the situation, I have no horse in this race I'm not American I just can't understand why the idea of paying a little extra is worse than insurance companies fucking you raw, I suppose I want to learn the ins and outs of it, I understand it's not that black and white but still

How come most of europe can manage it then, dipshit?

>pay a little extra tax
>without having to pay
This is what Eurofags actually believe. How about you shove it, commie?

Still mad she lost?

It's cheaper to not have health insurance asshole. I'm looking at $900 a month with a $12k deductable...thanks Obama. Fucking nigger

Leftist normie horse shit hating successful people for being successful. The sad part is the majority of people with these opinions are just lazy fucks who won't leave their unskilled minimum wage job to better themselves. The only thing holding anyone back in this society is themselves.

You're right I haven't, I've been to them in my country though and it's the same, idiots going in for stupid shit but they typically will get turned away and told to see the family doctor instead

It is black and white. Fuck your commie forced payments, end of story.

They can't, libtard.

Finally a good opinion

Because if you go into an emergency room with the 'illnesses" I stated youll get thrown out on your ass in Europe where they have free medical. How come anyone anywhere near the US/Can border travels to the US for treatment?

They don't get thrown on their ass.

There's a lot of public health awareness to avoid people using the A&E irresponsibly, but there's still a lot of idiots that do it.

youre confusing rich with wealthy. chris rock explains it best

lol it's a $198 deductible for me i'm on medicare

I have insurance. If you'd bother to read, I said it was expensive and hard to get. They go up your ass with an audit. You have to provide income information, past years taxes, and they determine the price based on your money. But the hospital services cost the same. We all have the same human bodies, therefore insurance should cost the same for everyone. Its not like car or house insurance where they are insuring a small shack VS a ten million dollar home, or a shitbox '89 Corolla VS a $3mil Ferrari. Those are legit reasons for insurance prices to be different, but people are not luxury items of varying price. Hope you can wrap your head around that, because varying health insurance prices effect the company employee, too. Everyone contributes to work-provided insurance, which varies depending on the company contribution and the plan they provide. Some jobs provide really terrible plans.

In America being turned away for medical treatment ends up in a lawsuit and your hospital dragged all across cable news as being racist/anti-semetic/transphobic or whatever else they can think up. Everyone is looking for a reason to be outraged over here.

Well, you need to give a fuck, since we'll be paying for it.

I'm just glad Trump's finally starting to really roll back on Medicaid, medicare and free healthcare.
No one deserves free healthcare. This will be a great motivator for people of all political backgrounds to get jobs.

This is not a position, just an opinion, a stupid one at that.
Lets remake his tweet with his
>If you are someone who is poor or dumb enough to not pay high taxes, or have enough money to invest in a market, I do not give a fuck what your thoughts on the economy is

>You are wildly out of touch with the same reality most of us have to deal with

I'm a financial conservative. This country has a piss-poor budget, and they spend a lot of money on unnecessary things. There is no reason to change our taxes to afford universal healthcare. However, I am a proponent of flat tax, which would be a better and simpler approach for taxing personal income.

>ITT OP b8s anyone into elaborating why universal healthcare is a necessity for a better quality of life
>insults everyone who doesn’t validate his viewpoint about the matter by calling them libtard
>mfw

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Don't have kids if you can't afford them, numb nuts. Also, Trump changed some of the laws, and some he didn't. So if you have a problem with the current insurance laws, you can blame Trump. I'm also willing to bet you have free insurance for your kids through the state, welfare queen.

I hope something negatively life changing happens to you so that you can’t afford paying your huge medical bill and have to live with a shitty quality of life for the rest of your stay on this planet

>That's some random americna tranny seehing over Europe
lmao you don't even have a real job do you?

If you are poor enough you get free healchcare from the state.
If youre too detached from reality to understand this you are fucking retarded
Ive been unemployed 8 years, i get 800 bucks food stamps for my whole family and all 4 of us have free healthcare, i make all my money under the table and report none of it.
If youre bad at being poor, stop it. The system is there already. Use it.

that's mature, Bernie-bro.

GET A JOB!!

It's the perfect crime, libtard.

If you cant afford insurance because youre too lazy to get a job with decent benefits or get a job that affords you free healthcare you are a burden on society and should probably go ahead and kill yourself anyway.

Man, you libtards sure are a malicious bunch, huh?

If you're not american and you reply to my post with this amount of butthurt, I don't know, faggot, get a rope, it's quick and pain-less.
American health care is the lamest fucking nigger board meme

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I’m Canadian, retard
I work and make good money
You really are bad at this

The party of tolerance. Remember when they used to chirp that stupid shit?

I think it's reasonable. But also I think a reasonable position should also be if you're fat and not trying to change that then you don't get free healthcare

The fact that you have to paint me as your politic opponent is fucking pathetic and indicative of you being fully brainwashed
Politics’ a bunch of smoke and mirrors retard
Lobbyists and wealthy fucks that owns alot of big corps are where you should start looking to get a damn clue

We have more Canadians showing up in our office in Massena NY than Americans. Congrats on your free stuff ice nigger.

Not everyone qualifies for the service and theyre all the people that absolutely need health insurance

Congratulations, do you want a fucking medal or something?
Some people aren’t happy for their own reasons and they do what any intelligent and capable person would do: go elsewhere

I don’t plan anytime soon to move to your crazy fucking country so calm your tits

There are no jobs (or very few, like executive level) that provide free healthcare. Everyone who gets healthcare through their employer contributes to the plan. Usually about 40% of the retail price. In the average wagie check for a full-time employee you'll see they take about $200 every two weeks, sometimes more. If you had a full time job instead of being a larping cellar boy who is on daddy's plan, you'd know that.

Medicaid is your friend. Look into it.

thankfully as of today, trump's getting rid of Medicaid.

I did 6 years in the USMC while you were in college blowing your roommate faggot. My healthcare is paid for already. You made shitty decisions in life so deal with it.

Yeah shuure. That would endear him to about 40M Americans, many of which vote for him.

I don't give a fuck if you're a five-star general in the Space Force. You're ignorant as fuck about what employers provide.

all red states are ending Medicaid.

thehill.com/policy/healthcare/480650-trump-administration-to-allow-medicaid-block-grants

if you live in a blue state, don't worry about it.

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soldiers are the ultimate welfare queens. I bet you "retired" after your 6 years you pansy-assed gyrene. shortest career in the history of the Corps. SUCK BALLS TRANNY!

>The block grant will apply to the ObamaCare Medicaid expansion population’s “able-bodied” people. Advocates argue this gives an incentive for GOP governors in expansion states to roll back benefits and spending.

Anyone who is covered by traditional state Medicaid programs, disabled or eligible for long-term care is excluded. Other low-income adults, children, pregnant women, elderly adults, and people with disabilities will also be excluded.

In blue states. In red states, EVERYONE'S LOSING MEDICAID!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOO

vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/1/30/21113436/trump-health-care-policy-medicaid-cuts

All that means is individual states will have more creative control how they determine suitable applicants. In other words, it will shift a small number of fringe people into buying ACA. Poor, disabled, still get free. Singles inder $16k still get free. Families under -$40k still get close to free. They will simply adjust the contribution for people who earn above those minimums. More likely, they'll make it more difficult for people to get other forms of assistance if they're on foodies or free housing long-term. Its a "block grant" which makes the requirements more flexible (read, less inclusive for able-bodied working age people) AKA freeloaders.

>medicare rollbacks
>durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr it'll be close to free
>um like the Medicaid work requirements
>but now you have to work for it, and pay for it durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Yes. Enjoy, trumpanzees :) Trump campaign promise: "Ah will not touch Medicaid!" "Ah weel make healthcare better for Americans!"

LOLOL And then the GOP almost fucked you all by having pre-existing conditions be a thing, before McCain saved your diabetic asses

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that guy's twitter says he's an:
>AMATEUR WRITER AND SPORTS WEBSITE MODERATOR
why would he deserve health insurance lol

I think I'd shit my pants if one of you ultra-morons ever understood anything. Low income working class will have to tighten their finances to afford a hike in healthcare. And their foodies will be trimmed back, and there will be "term limits" for being on permanent housing assistance. What they're trying to do is cut back on generational welfare families. None of this effects me. But it will effect a lot of low income whites, who by sheer numbers take more assistance than people of color. And since blacks and browns almost universally vote Dem, those voting numbers are unlikely to change significantly. But white swing voters who will be impacted usually vote with their wallet. Trump has poked his finger into the economic wound of his voting base.

thank you obama for giving me MEDICARE for free instead of MEDICAID lol
and thank you for giving me prescription coverage for no deductible no monthly payments and max $8 even for brand name drugs

well you trumpers are so educated and so wealthy, you have such a tenuous grasp on reality that I'd hate to see The Rest of America Understand Anything the way you do, too.
You control the economies, live in the states with the largest GDP's, and are the biggest producers and earne….. waiiiiiit a minuteeeee

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also thank you trump for renewing my medicare and social security disability in 2018 :)

ah welfare is it? GET A JOB. filth. garbage. trash. 10's of millions of republicans on "disability" for decades. your kind are all on welfare. your states' economies in shambles. NONE of you work.

Uh. No. You don't get to expect someone to pay for your healthcare and then tell them they don't get to have any say in the matter.

>well you trumpers are so educated and so wealthy
Stopped reading right there. I'm a white, male, educated, wealthy Independent. I'm semi-retired in my mid-forties, with a BS in Economics.

….

>be me amerimut
>Spend all my money on action figures and micro transactions
>get sick FUCK RICH PEOPLE LUCK TO HAVE INSURANCE
>die because im a fucking spastic who doesnt know how to save invest or handle money what so ever

this 100%

Pretty much. I expect those who don't have health insurance and access to good healthcare to be jealous of those who do. This now represents a large percentage of Americans. The reality is that we have it better now than many people did a hindred years ago, but that doesn't matter. When people realize that a better thing exists they want it. If we figured out the optimal diet for human beings then access to that would be considered a human right. What if we figured out the optimal environment? That would be considered a human right as well. No one would want to mine coal, quarry stone or farm because these jobs would expose people to less-than-optimal conditions. Democracy was a mistake.

waaait man i'm in the proud boiz and I have an action figure collection worth over 100k in mom's basement. what do you mean by this? my beard is fashioned by the Vikings and i'm a super fierce protester.

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Your intellectual and moral poverty are.

this guy gets it

Bernie or any dem will make sure none of idiots have healthcare (or money)
Trump's gone out of his way to make sure ALL Americans have healthcare.

It's literally that simple.