If boomers didn't want a socialist to get elected then maybe they should not fed an entire generation honeyed lies and...

Quit spending your money on every apple gadget, trampoline house, pubquiz night, and kraft bier and you’d be fine

lol mike bloomberg spent $100,000,000 in two months on commercials telling people that trump is bad

Wow a real boomer actually made his way into this thread kek

Bloomberg's own staff admit he is trying to keep Bernie from getting delegates. You guys can't even get past round 1 of the grift.

teddy roosevelt was instrumental in the passing of that federal reserve act, fuck that phony piece of shit

ah yes, stop buying expensive coffee. live in poverty, save every penny and you will be a billionaire in no time. besos make 13 bill yesterday from that 12 cent stock increase

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Boomers don’t know about craft beer faggot

next election is going to have lots of trump-sander voters.

The DNC establishment will choose Trump over Sanders. The wealthy "liberals" have more in common with the wealthy "conservatives". That's class consiousness.

It's time for the working class to develop an equal consiousness. Even if you have a white collar desk job, you're still working class, and you have more in common with the guy collecting your trash or the girl flippin your burgers than you have with the capital owners.

Sanders is literally the only one close to addressing this.

just need a nationalist in there that isn't for population replacement kthx.

Boomers fucked up too much to revert the process at the moment.
The inevitable payback is already settled.
When they'll get very very old, they will need retirement house and people providing for their needs 24/7.
Slam them into a statal retirement for poor people even if you can afford better. That's exactly what they did: they could have been better, but gave the minimum.

Can't wait to hear the phone call in which they will complain the nigger working force in there is handling their jobs very poorly, and the "why don't you come visit" cry.
Do never visit anymore. Maybe then they will realize (or rather, discover) what karma actually is. To die alone and unloved by everyone. That's boomer destiny, and I'm itching to make it happen.

They know it as a catch phrase that fox and faggots teach them
Like avocado toast

my parents are taking care of their own now. they expect the same from me. i didnt asked to be born into this fucking world. sucks to them

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Excuses

This is the actual reality that is coming.
We've got a crazy over abundant aging population, and nowhere near enough elderly care workers to take care of them.
Retirement homes will have to start paying what that job is actually worth, which they won't.
It's honestly a bleak future for the boomers, and although I feel sorry for a few of them, this is pretty much all their own fault.

Ok boomer

Wait, aren't you just skipping the most important fact?
"When you're looking for a job, look the chief directly into the eyes. A firm handshake, my son, and he's going to believe in you, and you got the job"

Did I remember the chorus correctly?

says the bait who probably inherited all of their daddies wealth.

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You probably look like you have AIDS

What's your excuse for being retarded?
>is boomer
Oh right.

It seems something made you soft, boi.
Remember: they sucked off the resources out of the planet like a crackwhore gotta suck for a living. Destroyed real estate market (in their own favour). Told you for many years you could have been whatever you wanted to be. Told you to be free and stand up for your rights, told you they did it before referring to the '68, when they actually had the chance to get laid because in the meantime they were also making women become what they have become nowadays.

Basically, if you've ever been unhappy, there's a specific group of people that orchestrated that while you were a kid and they were telling to you they did everything for you and not for them.

You were born in chains, user. Eat old people. Breakfast, lunch and dinner: EAT them alive.

the real reality is that they will die comfortably and the next generation will blame you for what they caused.
karma is a fairy tale.

First triggered snowflakes of the day kek

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Ok boomer..
Too bad my looks and my dick are basically the reasons why I still didn't end myself. Another false assumption ad hominem: classic boomer, congrats.
Wanna start talkin about how better your shitty music is conpared to the shit we listen now? It's one of the most popular, refreshing boomer small talk I'm capable of.

my uncle once told me all he had to do to get a job was go to a factory unannounced and start working there and the boss just kind of shrugged and accepted it .

I'm a victim

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>triggered snowflakes
More often than not, the people who use these terms are the triggered snowflakes.
Its ok user, we expect it now, its your whole political identity.

>implying boomers know the meaning of "competition"

>It seems something made you soft, boi.
Unlike the boomers I do feel empathy user.
Most of them aren't nefarious, just stupid.
Not to say that absolves them of blame, it totally doesn't.
But having all that hate coursing through my veins hurts no one but me.
I'm better than that.
I've gone through my angry phase, and am now just trying to figure out how I am going to get by when I am older.
The game is completely rigged, but we still gotta play.

>muh dick and looks
>turnabout is fairplay/all I got

Better play more vidya, kids. This is a world only for real men.

more broke than triggered
but at least im not you

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and he wants to invest trillions of dollars into climate change bullshit, let in every illegal and willingly embraces AOC's support.

Sorry braindead leftie, he'll never be president. Absolutely no chance.

>this will burn him

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>climate change bullshit
Thank you for writing this, it makes the value of your opinion easier to assess.
>he'll never be president. Absolutely no chance.
I remember thinking this myself. Love how you people refuse to see the irony.

When did these retarded commie threads become a thing on Cred Forums?

Imagine trying to shill Bernie on a fucking degenerate porn board. How stupid you gotta be?

>Thank you for writing this, it makes the value of your opinion easier to assess.
Why would I care about how a brainwashed zealot like yourself chooses to assess me? I already know you're a complete moron because you're trying to pump Bernie Sanders up on Cred Forums, lmao.

You couldn't be dumber if you tried. By the way he's got no chance whatsoever.

3 years ago I asked the same thing about trump. Why did Cred Forums become Cred Forums "braindead edition"?

Do you not believe in climate change?

IF I SEE THAT FUCKING CAT ONE MORE TIME

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Isn't it adorable how we can literally show them exactly how much more expensive housing is now and they're literally incapable of processing the numbers.

It's like hey gramps, when you were saving for that down payment, if they decided to triple the price of said down payment, would it be crazy to say that it would have taken you three times as long?

" ... we made our own coffee."

>climate change
Why are you calling it that? What happened to Global Warming? Too much skepticism? Too many people mocking Al Gore for his retarded documentary?

Brainwashed zealots like yourself naturally believe alarmist propaganda either way. Sadly for you, the voters haven't proven to be as gullible in the US.

I'm worse than that. Having a vengeful nature always was my main issue in life.

cLiMaTe cHaNgE iS a hOaX

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As much as I want to see Trump Epstein'd, hes going to be re-elected and push for a third term. The propaganda machine will then spend 4 years pushing for abolition of term limits or life time appointment.

and clearly you morons haven't learned your lesson from Trump winning.

Illegal immigration is a big issue for both americans, and pretty much every first world nation, and there is a massive voting trend favoring strong boarders. Unfortunately for tiny brained lefties like yourself, you still just can't quite get the memo, and commos like Bernie and AOC are still strongly advocating no borders, and labeling the border patrol evil.

Climate change because "global warming" and "+2 degrees global temperature" all sound pleasant if you're scientifically illiterate.

>the voters haven't proven to be as gullible in the US.

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I think I might vote for trump just to watch just how much he can fuck shit up even more. I unironically want to watch this world burn

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youtu.be/1I0ij5Jci_w?t=142

Idk man he has been noticeably deteriorating.
Elections aside, I honestly don't think he's got another 5 years left in him

Congrats on being a pathetic incel, I guess.

>honeyed lies
When the fuck were they handing them out? I miss everything good. That makes me a sad panda.

>can only retort with braindead rhetoric and images from reddit
How embarrassingly stupid.

Here's an alternative view I have no doubt you'll turn a blind eye to:

youtube.com/watch?v=oYhCQv5tNsQ

>Illegal immigration is a big issue for both americans
is was in the 00s
unauthorized border crossings have been in decline since 2007. Honestly the whole debate seems like it was artificially created to distract Americans from things that cost Americans far more jobs, like outsourcing.

>am stupid
>look at me stupid
>I stupid harder for than all of you
>lol stay mad triggered cuck snowfalke libtards

Climate change is more accurate as a hotter dry season dosen't, necessarily, indicate a warmer/dryer rainy season. But surely you, in the US, noticed that last year was the hottest on record, beating out the year before it, which beat the year before it. 3 points of data is enough to establish a trend.

Why is this political to you?

kill me bitch

>here's a conspiracy theory I'll make fun of you for being skeptical of and claim that proves me right

SO you honestly do think its more likely that people are tryung to ruin the economy rather than giant companies using massive amounts of recorded lobbying?
And that literally 90%+ of scientist are all in agreement? That's a hoax?
I can't imagine what your world looks like, where the uneducated constantly pat themselves on the back for thinking they are part of some secret they believe because the truth intimidates and scares them.
Wow.
Enjoy being a sheep user. At least you seem to.

Oh look. Its one of those morons everyone is talking about.

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They boomers should of aborted all their children. I'm gen x, we hate you ALL.

>here's a conspiracy theory
As expected, without even looking, you immediately shun it. Like the good useful idiot you are.

>noticed
That's a tall order user.
Asking for them to notice something, like acknowledge reality?
Tall order.

The climate changes all the time you fucking idiot. Do you know how old this planet is? Are you seriously dumb enough to believe we're anywhere near the extreme end of any temperature scale in the context of the planet's history?

Science is worth more than your feelings
I know that's hard to understand

"Debt slavery" learn how to control your finances faggot, I bet you took out a credit card at 18. Kill yourself

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I know right? You haven't noticed you're brainwashed yet. This is why you're still trying to shill socialist propaganda on a degenerate porn board.

You should check out Rick Tyler's campaign.

>Science is worth more than your feelings
Yes, and some science is worth more than others.
I don't expect an underage idiot like yourself to grasp the meaning of that.

Oh, I looked. It's still a conspiracy theory.

>Oh, I looked
Sure, I'm sure you watched a 90 minute documentary in 2 minutes. I'm sure you kept an open mind in that shallow head of yours.

Statistically the more capitalism fails you, the more likely you are to turn to socialism

You do realize that graphs have slopes right? this last century, the slope has been drastically steeper than any event in Earth's recent (~50,000 years) past, and it coincided perfectly with industrialization. Try harder.

True. Its the rate that should be alarming. The last time, during the tenure of life, the temperature changed this fast an event called "The Great Dieing" took place. 90% of all life died out. Thats worth looking into, correct?

This fuckin guy.

The simple fact you complete morons keep saying cLiMaTe ChAnGeS AlL tHe TiMe proves you don't know shit about scientific facts and data.

If you honestly believe that nearly 8 BILLION FUCKING HUMANS aren't impacting this planet then you should drink bleach and snort ammonia.

Because hey, you don't make an impact right?

I'm not wasting 90 minutes of my time when I can skim and still be able to understand its a conspiracy theory.

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I couldn't care less for your alarmist propaganda, idiot. You're no scientist, let alone a credible scientist, just a braindead bernie shill on Cred Forums.

Unfortunately when your brain is as tiny as it is, you have no chance of registering any meaningful information.

Start playing with a compound interest calculator and look at 20 year time frames. I had a friend whose parents made him start his investments right out of high school. I met him when he was like 22 and he already had an amazing start for someone so young. When he retires it will be as a multi millionaire. Now, Bernie would say he should share or tax to death what he spent doing over a lifetime. Seems a bit unjust and greedy to me. To give it away to kids who don’t want to pay loans or get real jobs. Anyhow, it is a campaign promise he won’t keep, but keep telling yourselves he is the next king of Venezuela.

>economy sucks so bad trump's going to lose to a literal socialist

nah, but keep believing retard

Okay

>You're wrong because you're a stupid butt-head
I'll just take the W and be on my way then.

You're wrong because you've got nothing to back yourself up, besides images you saved from reddit.

Again, you're not a scientist, let alone a credible one. Just a useful idiot programmed to accept and spread propaganda.

Boomers were able to enjoy the fruits of the new deal, then they convinced themselves that their success was due to just being smarter and working harder than everyone else, and set about systematically dismantling everything that had given them their ability to climb the social ladder. By the time Gen X and millenials came along it was all gone and the boomers were comfortably retired. Now we have to take care of the same idiots that caused the problems in the first place, while they sit back and tell us how easy it all is.

I hate to break it to you, but data doesn't lose value because it gets shared on a different platform. It is a fact that the past 100 years saw a drastically faster warming than anything we've observed from ice records. You can be a useful idiot and choose to ignore it but it won't change reality. Peace out.

Ok so you admit you saved them from reddit. Further confirmation you're an idiot.

Again, you're not a scientist, let alone a credible one. Nothing you say is worthwhile or important, you're a useful idiot, simple as that.

youtube.com/watch?v=zeMZGGQ0ERk

I actually voted hillary and bernie last election. I just lost my faith in humanity and I want to kill myself.

>medicare set to be repealed in 2020
>instead elect a guy that will make the system completely free
feels good man

I'd just stopped by to offer you a friendly reminder. Man made climate change is a hoax, the Trump curse is real. How is the Trump curse scientifically possible? I have no fucking idea, but it never fails.

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>trying to shill s̶o̶c̶i̶a̶l̶i̶s̶t̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶p̶a̶g̶a̶n̶d̶a̶ science on a degenerate porn board.
Fixed that for you

>assuming that those who disagree with you are underage
You really trying to check every one of those boomer boxes huh bud?

>I just lost my faith in humanity and I want to kill myself.
Understandable user

someones throwing insults cuz they got fuckin nothing!! get rekt you fucking dumbass

useful idiot is definitely trump and anyone who thinks preserving the corporate way over the fucking one planet we are ever gonna have. cant believe humanity lol. were so fucked

>honeyed lies
There never was any honey in the social darwinism of neoliberal politics.

>neoliberal
odd that im seeing that word being used more now.

>I actually voted hillary and bernie last election. I just lost my faith in humanity and I want to kill myself.

Humanity is fucked, but maybe you can edge out a niche for your own in this shitshow. As for the elections, at least this time there are options that aren't just the lesser evil.

The term had its ups and downs since the contemporary meaning was coined in the 70s. People forget how much capitalism fucked up in 07/08. The whole system would have collapsed without massive government intervention. The neoliberal consensus in Western politics fell apart because of it. We now see a resourgence of (fascist and) socialist politics and with it the term becomes more prominent again.

tl;dr If you actually want to own the libs, you vote for comrade Bernard.

>You haven't noticed you're brainwashed yet.
Your subcosciousness is trying to tell you something, fashy.

>"Health care isn't broken, get a job!"
>Applies for Sec8, Medicaid, SNAP

boomers are a pretty good argument that spoiling your children screws everyone over in the end.

youtube.com/watch?v=GJMciK6xWrk

How many fellow schizophrenics in this thread? Sound off.
Did you take your meds today? Are you on meds?
I'm off mine but I don't have it so bad and am really good at recognizing my paranoid irrational notions.

I wish right wingers would kill themselves

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youtube.com/watch?v=y97Ywl7RtUw

Maybe he should build his own house out of trees he cut down himself so he doesn't have to go into debt slavery to own a house.

Capitalism doesn't fail you. You fail at capitalism.

how is it that technology and automation has made the process more efficient and yet house are more expensive?

I'm not a socialist but whenever I read posts like this I really understand why people are. Capitalism advocates have got to be the least charismatic, personable, sympathetic people in the entire political spectrum. I'd think it was false flag if I didn't know people like this irl.

It sickens me how politicized this has become. One side claiming it doesn't exist and the other side only wanting to use it to tax wealthy nation's.

inflation mostly, partly because people expect more amenities. My gma's house was boiler & radiator, single-pane windows, no AC, linoleum, one bulb & one plug per room, etc etc., and she wasn't by any means poor. You couldn't sell that thing as a doghouse at this point, there's not a soul in America that would buy it as anything but a teardown. People want NICE houses but they want to pay the same amt that people paid for four walls and a dirt floor in 1935.

Your average Boomer did not have it easy. They did work hard and did not live with half of the luxuries we expect today. They did not all retire as comfortably as you believe.

Inflation and property values can fluxuate greatly. People want bigger houses now then they did before. My parents all had to share rooms with siblings. My brothers had to share a room. Today, everyone needs their own room, seperate dinning room, home office, sometimes playroom, spare bedroom.

We should just go back to the barter system . No one starved to death back in the 1700s .

On the job training given to new graduates was a normal thing during their generation. Nowadays they refuse to hire college graduates because they find its too inconvenient to train them, however they are perfectly ok with hiring foreign workers to make up for it. Then they blame us for not being able to get experience (which they refuse to give us in the first place) .
So to hell with them , get rid of social security and medicare.

>They did work hard
people who work hard during times of prosperity attribute all their success to the hard work not the prosperity.
So when hard times hit they dismiss those that are working as hard as they did but not thriving as lazy.

Lazy fucks will blame everyone else and anything they can to hide their failures

both true, and together are why these conversations are so circular and pointless, not to mention frustrating

>They did work hard
they lived in a time where all you needed to have a house, wife and kids was just being average.

Bullshit. I work for a large company. We hire engineers all the time for engineering positions. We hire engineers and people with tech degrees as technicians . We hire people with it degrees to run it stuff. We don't hire Poli sci, women's study, history, literature majors since we don't need them. We have plenty of on the job programs for non degreed people. Problem is , the young workers think that because we give them a few electronic courses that they should be full fledge engineers overnight. They usually get trained and quit because the job is too hard.

I don't know your age but in my family all these "boomers " you claim had it easy , did not. Go talk to your relatives that age. Maybe yours had it easy but I come from some tough ass hard working people who where far from wealthy. If they have money now it is because they saved and where smart with their money. You may get there someday.

>outjewed

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That's still true today. Interest rates for mortgages are 3.25%. You can buy a $300,000 house and pay $1500 per month. In 30 years you own it free and clear. It's not that hard, you just want to make it hard.

Sure kid. My dad worked 2 jobs and played in a band on weekends in bars to make ends meet. We lived in a smaller house and shared bedrooms. It took them 30 years to pay off their 20,000 house. Drove old ass vehicles and never went out to eat. Funny thing is, we where probably happier then most of these spoiled brats being raised today.

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My point is that people overestimate how much their effort has to do with their outcome when things go well, and underestimate it when things go badly. No one got rich without luck, and I say that as someone from a family that started poor, worked their asses off, and is now reasonably well off. If they'd not had the right harvest at the right time to buy the right land, they'd be starving their way up to the middle class to this very day. Similarly, very very few go broke without taking too many days off and/or making stupid financial decisions.

The problem is, most of my family will tell you about 14 hour days at harvest but forget about the plum deals that gave them enough harvest to bother with, and their neighbor who pissed away a 1000-acre inheritance wants to talk about early frosts and bad rain but not about the fact that he tried to hire out his entire operation to $5 an hour day laborers and bought whatever seed had the nicest label.

the DNC will never choose a socialist to win the election

I grew up in abject poverty. I didn't realize that fact until I went to school.
I retired early 11 yrs ago and have not earned a dollar since.
If you can not make it in the USA, you probably won't make it anywhere.
MAGA

But I unironically did this. Built my house myself when I was 20 with help of 3 friends in 2009 for less than 30k over the course of 2ish years while I lived in a camper on the wood lot

>We hire engineers all the time for engineering positions.
You can't keep that lie up forever user
" You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."
-Abraham Lincoln

>cry again lib
>get rekt lib
Why are Trump voters more obsessed with "owning libs" rather than having someone decent running the country?

Listen up you little whipper-snapper zoomer, back in my day when we would walk 5 miles to school in snow drifts 15' deep barefooted and we would steal lunch money from you lib cocksuckers. Now go back down to your parent's basement.

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because they don't believe you-

I agree with most of what you are saying but in most cases success not only needs hard work, it needs persistence. Your family never gave up. Your family probably knew finances more then your neighbor. Your family said it wanted to be successful and worked hard to get their. You can say luck but I gauruntee you your neighbor didn't work as hard. He had the same soil, dun and rain as you guys . As someone who has worked and saved hard, I just get annoyed when lazy people want to sit there and cry that it's all luck. Very little of my success came from luck.

>Bullshit
not really I've talked to all these managers that complain about the stem shortage and that h1-b is desperately needed and later find out a lot of of the job postings they put out get like 50 candidates on average and what they want is someone they don't have to train or pay well.

Same here brother. I grew up lower middle class and now middle age going to retire in a few years. It wasn't easy but was far from hard.

Explain how that is a lie.

Yeah, you're definitely right, and it does get frustrating to have people act like everything just happens for no reason.

>someone they don't have to train or pay well.
How dare those people work in their own self interest. Crucify them. For the crime of human nature.
Jeez.

I keep picturing the boomers in this thread all pissed off and typing out their little messages using only their index fingers while trying to not lose their shit
Grats, you fucks argue as well as you leave the world a better place.

We don't do any h1-b hiring . I'll agree that that is one abused system and needs to be changed. Maybe some of these college campuses should protest that more then crying about the lack of gender pronouns.

>leave the world a better place
Experience tells me it is a better place. I have no need for propaganda to form opinions.

spectator.us/just-best-decade-human-history-seriously/

>conservative website confirms its own conservative opinions
Do go on

>We hire engineers and people with tech degrees as technicians .
The only job I could get with an electrical engineering degree was "technician" which really just involved me cleaning dried blood, pus and other bodily fluids off medical devices . Worked as hard as I could on that had the highest productivity rating in the whole building, like I had an actual metric, an actual number I could point to, they even gave me awards for it. Applied to pretty much every engineering,real technician roles, and internship position that opened up in the company. I did this for about 6 years before realizing it was a dead end.

Boomers = jewish elite who control the financial system. Just LOL if you think you can vote them away. They are here to stay.

mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/breaking-shots-fired-trumps-mar-21404344

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Maybe no one wants to hire you. I know a couple engineers working at micron making extremely good money. One primarily works on SSDs and the other in their memory fab.

>How dare those people work in their own self interest.
if that's the case what would be wrong about someone promoting communism for their own self interest?

>Bullshit
I run into anons all the time on Cred Forums with engineering majors that work menial highschool level jobs.

Socialism will just cause more problems then "honeyed lies" and so e debt.

No one should be able to be self employed or start a business. Everyone should work for the common good under the government.

I couldn't believe being one of you disgusting needs that can't be self-actualized and make it on your own.
Life is so hard you should just kill yourselves

Are you on drugs or were you just born with poor communication skills?

>so e debt
wut

working harder was never going to get you anywhere user. It's just some bullshit the rich food the working class in an effort to squeeze as much wealth out of them.

Kill yourself you little internet whiny cunt.

Alinsky tactics are too small minded for me. Believe what you like. I could not care less and will seek people who are able to think for themselves.

guess that answers that question lul

I'd rather torture your entire lineage slowly. Maybe learn to fucking speak english you worthless waste of space.

It would not be wrong. Delusional, in my opinion.

cause it doesn't really match reality. How the fuck can there be more stem graduates than stem jobs and there also be a shortage of stem labor? How the fuck can there be a labor shortage but somehow real wages not rising accordingly?
face it user your house of cards are crumbling as more people awake to the lies they have been fed and are turning toward politicians that offer them solutions rather than a bunch of dinosaurs that blame them and tell them just to work harder.

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complete bullshit, in my actual experience.

Not who you're replying to, but almost none of the people who put communism in place are going to be among the top-ranking kleptocrats who benefit from it. They're going to be just as poor as they were under capitalism, if not poorer, only with a different master and even less mobility, or if they're really lucky they'll manage to get a position in the party and live easy for however long it takes for the dictator to feel threatened by them and execute them.

Power accumulates to charismatic sociopaths in any hierarchical system. The question isn't if, its which.

>Delusional
maybe not ,the 16$ an hour minimum wage increase Seattle has been studied extensively . As it turns out businesses didn't flee the city, unemployment didn't skyrocket and job creation remained strong.

I have tried talking sense, it will not work.
good luck.
History, reality, etc will mean nothing.

Degree only gets your resume on someone's desk. There's a million reasons someone doesn't get hired. I had to move half way across the country and then from one end to the other to get where I am today. The jobs are there. Sometimes you have to compromise at first. After 10 years experience, I was turning down more jobs then where turning me down.

>job creation remained strong
Not the minimum wage jobs. Before you start crap, i have followed this. I study economics. It is exactly where it was predicted to be.

>They're going to be just as poor as they were under capitalism, if not poorer
the quality of life of the typical Russian was better under the USSR than modern Russia. Like talking to actual Russians that lived in the soviet union they dont point to the USSR days as the hard times. The hard times they point to are in 90s after the soviet union was dissolved.

LAUGHING AT YOU!

You could do the same thing. I own a construction company and if you walked up and started working even picking up trash or say you want to learn framing. If you have a good work ethics you would be hired by me or a sub. My framer pays $25+ per hour, his lead makes $40 an hour and is guaranteed 40 hours per week.

>Degree only gets your resume on someone's desk.
nope
connections do
we live in a caste system where these jobs go to friends and family.
the myth of meritocracy is just kept up to make people work more.

You also need to work smart, work with the right people, make things happen. After college, I was mentored by an old timer who fucking taught me most of what I know about working in a large company. He tried with others but I was one of the few who shut my mouth and listened rather then think I knew everything. Several people have posted I this thread who gave been successful and I see then being dismissed. You should be asking questions on how they got there and listening. But it's easier to dismiss it all away as luck, inheritance, racism, sexism....... It's never your fault, is it?

Recovering from a unplanned mass governmental collapse while undergoing an economic reformulation is going to be hell, whether you're going from socialism to capitalism or feudalism to mercantilism, and that was exacerbated by the extremes the USSR went to in providing materiel for the Cold War.

>They're going to be just as poor as they were under capitalism
Ukraine literally has a lower standard of living than some sub Saharan African countries.

>You could do the same thing.
and get arrested, please stop giving shit advice for shits and giggles.

Too true :/
You don't have to be democrat to see Trump is shit. Just open minded. If he wins this election fewer of my republican brothers have brains than I thought.

That's capitalist thinking. You're stuck, and will remain stuck until you can think outside that box.

Real estate is a game of peaks and valleys. Right now in the US it's at a peak. It will be a valley again and that's when you want to be in a position to buy. It's not hard, you're just making it hard.

The Russian putsch with Yeltsin and perestroika is much different than anything in the US.

Depends. I've worked for mom and pops and some if the biggest companies in the US. Mom and pops will hire relatives. In the larger corporations professional level jobs are hired by committy . Usually several levels of managers and someone from personnel . It's rare that someone can get a family member hired without being qualified.

Wildly inaccurate. My dad runs a construction company, has since I was a kid, and if a strange guy shows up to a site he's going to be asked to leave, told to leave, and then forced to leave. A bigger, more corporate-type company would just call the cops and not waste their time. You're not going to let some random jackass show up, start chucking scrap in a pile, and then just stick him somewhere to work with thousands of dollars worth of power tools.

Even if you were the most trusting, generous, loving carebear faggot of a boss in human history workman's comp law alone is going to mean you run that dumbshit off the site.

You're going to fuck someone's life up talking out of your ass like this. The same people that are dumb enough to buy this as an argument for your economic beliefs are going to go and try it at some point and end up fucked.

Stalin raised Russia up from a backwards agrarian society to an industrial super power within a decade.
Its been 30 years since the dissolution of the USSR and things still aren't better than in the Soviet times.
It is not a coincidence that Soviet nostalgia is at an all time high in Russia.

That's just not true. America is one of the hardest places in the world to be successful. There are no safety nets. If you invest every penny you have to start a business and it fails, you may be homeless. America is also one of the few places you can become a billionaire if that business succeeds.

that may be the dumbest thing i've ever seen here

Unemployment is at a 50 year low. If you don't have a job, you might be a nigger.

Absolute state of you burgers, you need a dose of communism to know how does reality taste.

Niggers are employed no too, LOL!

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>You should be asking questions on how they got there and listening.
Yeah a whole generation did that and got fucked over. They went to college studied hard and then got nothing but crippling debt for it. And to rub salt into the wound they get blamed for it, blamed for following the advice they were told from their elders.
NO
the time for listening to others who will then blame them for following said advice is over.

If everyone in the country decided work was for fags, quit their jobs, and refused to look for new ones, the unemployment rate would be 0%. 5% unemployment doesn't mean 95% employment, it means 5% of people are job hunting and don't work. Obama's reported unemployment rate was single digit, but the rate of people who had given up and were just letting their wife/husband work or lived on savings while they sat at home and waited for death was well over a quarter. I haven't researched real unemployment in a while, but it's unbelievably unlikely that it's anywhere near official figures.

>Unemployment
Unemployment rate is a bullshit metric since it doesn't count people who are unemployed for more than 6 months.

Maybe because they refuse to go where the jobs are. For example, no one wants to live in Syracuse, therefore there's a myriad of related job openings that take businesses months to fill.

>it means 5% of people are job hunting and don't work
and have been doing that less than 6 months.

^^^

Death camps notwithstanding. Stalin was basically Hitler, and anyone who looks back at this fondly has lost humanity. Which a lot of russians do anyway.

What's the original?

>They went to college studied hard and then got nothing but crippling debt for it.
Because they just HAD to go their private dream college, and why not get a degree in Women's Studies or Spanish Literature?!? Personal responsibility for shit choices apples.

>Maybe because they refuse to go where the jobs are.
people are still willing to go to places in California with its out of control housing problem for tech jobs.

I think this shill actually believes the shit pouring out of his mouth

Cept stem majors still got fucked over as well.

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They should make a Kavanaugh version of this, with ...or Christine Blasey Ford is lying.

This is the normal right-wing narrative, what's wrong with you?

>Maybe no one wants to hire you.
Maybe engineering isn't as lucrative as it was sold to him and countless other men?

>Trump is shit
embrace specificity.

>record high stem unemployment
>record high stem unemployment everywhere
>dot fucking jpeg

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>capitalist thinking
capitalism is a system for providing, guess what-capital.
The free market is the economic system for capitalism.
This is not the popular propaganda.

Almost makes me like republicans as the people who actually get some pushback from zog except for knowing they‘re just the side of controlled op who are dumb enough to be kicked around by the system they uphold without ever actually getting anything in return.

>our government has completely failed us
>the solution is to give even more power to the government

You fucking kids are retarded.

Why do trump supporters throw a tantrum every time someone brings up another candidate?

“Hey guys have you heard of Bern-“

“STUPID COMMUNIST LIBTARD LMAO KEEP CRYING KAG 2020 4 MORE YEARS KEEP RAGING SNOWFLAKE”

who’s the real snowflake in this situation? The one civilly discussing a left leaning candidate or the one going ballistic over the fact that the other has the gall to even consider them?

>our government has completely failed us
the sentiment is the free market has failed us.

>within a decade
nonsense-

>Why
Because its effective in diverting discussion from left-leaning candidates to trump, at which point they can start pushing his rhetoric where it wouldn't have made sense in a thread that doesn't pertain to him at all. It's not snowflakeness, it's a calculated, cynical attempt to undermine opposition - if not from the poster, from the people they get their talking points from.

The socialist-capitalist system we have in the US started to fail us when it was overrun by hyper efficient regulatory capture. It didn't always fail us.

>Christine Blasey Ford is lying
NEWS FLASH
she was.

>you have to get a degree to get a good job
>no you have to get a STEM degree to get a good job
>no you have to get an engineering degree to get a good job
>no you have to get a specific engineering degree after predicting the exact market conditions for its demand 4 years from now to get a good job
>no you have to get a specific engineering degree after predicting the exact market conditions for its demand 4 years from now while getting work experience and being the top of your class to get a good job
>no you have to get a specific engineering degree after predicting the exact market conditions for its demand 4 years from now while getting work experience and being the top of your class and being a social butterfly with lots of friends and connections to call upon to get a good job
>no you have to get a specific engineering degree after predicting the exact market conditions for its demand 4 years from now while getting work experience and being the top of your class and being a social butterfly with lots of friends and connections to call upon and be willing to move to Africa or the Middle East to get a good job

anyone else want to add to this?

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>dumb enough to be kicked around by the system
> republicans are the ones with indictments and convictions
Are you retarded user?

Maybe if you didn't come across as the worthless, pathetic incel you are in your interviews you would have landed a job.

>It's not snowflakeness, it's a calculated, cynical attempt to undermine opposition - if not from the poster, from the people they get their talking points from.
Its both user, it just happens to serve their purpose.
Conservatism in a nutshell, is the party that votes with their feelings.

Surely getting put in jail/fined/etc is well within the definition of kicked around. You're not exactly a power broker if you keep getting put on trial.

ITT plebbitors. Why are plebbitors so obbsessed with Bernie. Its fuckin hilarous how much cognitive dissonance you literal plebbitors put yourself through to convince yourself Bernie is a man of the people or whatever retarded normalfag ideology you hold.

>no actual reply
>insult him instead
LoL mAgA

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bullshit-
I am a Trump supporter and I hope Bernie wins the nomination.

maybe your advice is just a carrot tied to a stick

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No you have to go to trade school to get a good job. Stop being such a whiny faggot lmao.

As a person who lives outside the US I can say that Bernie supporters are not the apropiate people to criticize Trump. Socialism is crap, and now America is not socialist, socialist parties here are always hating on America. Also our president is a social democrat in coalition with a communist (our vice president), and we never had a higher debt than now. Also our government is crap, Bernie is the worst thing that can happen to America.

>No you have to go to trade school to get a good job.
and so the cycle begins anew.

>he thinks a socialist jew will free him from debt slavery

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>Conservative accusing others of cognitive dissonance

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>Leopold the II
>Capitalist
>t. the left

who else has a chance of being able to allow students to be able to declare bankruptcy on their loans.

>you need to be making 100k a year to survive
You don't need college at all. You're just a spoiled brat who doesn't want to do any real work. Your ideal job is likely sitting in a office pretending to work 5 hours a day for a 3 day weekend and anything less than that is considered slavery in your mind.

Its obvious when actual plebbitors like you make these claims. Where as NEETS on Cred Forums at least dedicate their time to knowing the funemental truth of this world, you sit around on plebbit telling people to eat cookies or downvote things that make you mad.

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He was unemployed most of his life and then started demanding respect he couldn't earn or use, that's normalfaggotry for the 21st century

Tantrum? I get angry whenever I see Bernie supporters because I know for a matter of fact that you are a crossborder plebbitor newfag.

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Its a shame you can't downvote me here. Maybe you should go back before you ruin Cred Forums even further.

This was not a problem before Obama nationalized student loans. hint............hint..anybody home?

>I know for a matter of fact that you are a crossborder plebbitor newfag.
Alright, let's start with basics. Do you even know what the word "tantrum" means?

I remember talking to someone who said you have to be planning since you are 7 years old for your career to be successful in it.
Another implied that if you are not willing to be homeless to pursue a career you don't deserve it.

I really do wonder if there exist a line for these people.

>Obama
irc it was bush that signed that law that made it impossible to declare bankruptcy on a student loan.

>ruin Cred Forums

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Say plebbit more, it really makes you sound like you know what you are talking about

This wasn't a problem before every 20IQ bernie supporter was told that they could get a college degree if they just worked hard enough. Now college degrees are required for the most retarded low end entry level jobs because every fucking retard has one. All of them are all upset too because they don't have the consciousness to realize they are plebians and always will be. NPCs all think they're going to go to college and live downtown in a trendy city making 100k a year to consume products. When they realize they won't be doing that until their 30's they get mad.

there were few bankruptcies before nationalization.

Continue making zero arguments. Hey maybe later, i'll catch you on /biz/ so I can embarrass you there too. Maybe you should do a little bit of financial research before posting about economies.

bill clinton signed some laws that made if hard before then.
also degrees meant something at that point.

>/biz/
the place that got drunk on the bitcoin bubble?
not a good example.

Embarassingly wrong. Federally backed student loans go back to '58, Obama just took the profit out of corporate hands. In any but the most creatively technical sense, student loans have been nationalized (ie fiscally provided for and controlled by the federal government) since Eisenhower. Obama wasn't even the one that gave them protected status in bankruptcy law

>do u even know like omg
The plebbit oozes from your every pore. Every unearned sarcastic comment you make. As if you are expected a mob of upvotes to blindly praise you everytime you post. Go back.

I agree. Finally something I can agree with.

>gave them protected status in bankruptcy law
how do we remove this?

Not a good example of what? Your shit knowledge of finance? All i'm saying is that you plebbitors shit up the entire website with your garbage.
/biz/ has been plebbit cancer since 2014. I haven't been on Cred Forums since 2012 until I decided to come back now to make a thread but the board is too shit to even bother.

Excellent wording. Hard to disagree. I stand by my posts.

>When they realize they won't be doing that until their 30's
LOL if you think the average college graduate is going to have 100k a year in disposable income at any point in their lives you're the biggest meme victim ITT. They'll be lucky to not be putting rent on their credit cards in their 30s.

You've got anything to say? Or you just want to fire cheap shots at anons?

>I stand by my posts
Wow thank you for that. Let me just go through your accounts post history to see what you posted.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT YOU ARE CANCER. YOU ARE NOT COOL. YOU CAME TO Cred Forums TO BE COOL BUT ARE MAKING IT LAME!

They shouldn't be allowed to declare bankruptcy on their loans. They took those loans in good faith and fucked up, they should have to pay them off.

>They shouldn't be allowed to declare bankruptcy on their loans.
do you believe this for all loans?

boomers lived under social democracy for 40 years before they decided to gut the system and have off with paying taxes

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Bullshit, we hire day laborers all the time, if they are good workers, they get permanent jobs.

>angryjewnoises

Fuck your whore mother.

Elect 218 reps, 51 senators, and 1 president who want students to get free of their student debt more than they want to keep the support of those who profit from the continued minimum payments.

you are a joke-

>day laborers
Mexicans
spare the euphemisms.

nah, you're just shit at finances if you don't have money by your 30's LMAO.

I mean you deserve it too. What stupid fucking retard spends 50k a year on college when they could go to community college for 3k a year and transfer out? You're mad because your were brain washed into being a retard. Its nobodies fault but your own.

Even then if you aren't able to have a 100k salary with at least 50k in savings nearly a decade after graduating college you are really fucking up in life and deserve to be removed from the gene pool.

I actually agree with this at some level, *provided* you're willing to say the same for all debts of any kind. If Schlomo who loaned college students money the federal government provided him gets to collect those shekels back to spend on nose cream and more shekels, then every other kind of debtor ought to be tied to their debt forever as well.

>dude just pay for our stupid mistake
What a great idea, lets just make everyone in the country even more of a debt slave so you can have free college. LMAO

You're a spoiled brat who assumes everyone was stupid enough to go into debt chasing a useless degree as you were

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Wow great post. Let me upvote you.

I'm not mad, I have money. I'm just saying that you're either a liar or a retard if you believe the claims you made in the post I replied to.

samefag harder

He asked how to do it, not if I wanted him to do it. That's the facts of what needs to happen to change the loan system. I never said it was good for that to happen, just that that's how you'd do it.

Although, see regarding the rest of your b8

hurr durr. iT's a CoNsPiRaCy so iT can'T be a CoNspIracy!

faggot.

285 with a low image count. Bring on the long tie guy.

Bullshit, we hire day laborers all the time. They are exempt from workers comp. The only tools we have on the job site that worth much are attached to a trailer attached to a truck. No one walks up and just starts, you would be surprised how many people with actual skill walk up to a job site ask for a job and get one. Some work out, others are crack heads.

not all conspiracies are equally likely

How am I a lair or a retard? I believe the claims i've made. If you are poor in your 30's its entirely your own fault. If you can't afford a nice house in the suburbs with two cars by the time you are 30, especially with a secondary income from your wife, you are seriously fucking up. You're the type to spend all their money on frivolous shit.

You think debt slavery is about student loan debt? Nigger the country is trillions of dollars in debt? Everyone in the U.S. is a debt slave you dumb fucking monkey. Why do you faggots always try to steal ideas and terms from the right? Debt slave was popularized by nazis here. Boomers ect ect ect. Is so cancerous and annoying. You make everything you touch lame.

>Not a good example of what?
being financially savvy.
like holy shit falling for the most obvious as fuck bubble is the exact opposite of that.

you mean bankruptcy? You know you get free college for that right?

>implying a few supposed "innocents" is equivalent to the tens of millions killed in Russia under Stalin, China under Mao, and Cuba under Castro.

fuck off with your comically poor understanding of economics and history

/thread

>if you disagree with me you're just b8ing
GO BACK TO PLEBBIT HOLY SHIT YOU CANCER

Eliminate all debt? Thats very fair to the people who are not in debt. Fuck you and your retarded ideas that don't actually change anything and make literally everything worse, including this website.

I notice you have not addressed the question of removing bankruptcy protection on all debts.

I highly doubt you are telling the truth considering I also know a lead engineer in a construction company.

>NPCs all think they're going to go to college and live downtown in a trendy city making 100k a year to consume products. When they realize they won't be doing that until their 30's they get mad.
Unless by NPCs you mean people decent with money that are able to make the right connections to move up in their organization, that's just flat out wrong, and it's wrong in such an obvious way that you can be that wrong by being stupid or disingenuous. The average wage for college grads is something like 30-40k. Making over 100k puts you in an upper percentile, which means that your average NPC whose entire life strategy is "work, spend, sleep" will never, ever have that much money coming in "to spend on products" in their 30s or any other time.

Do other countries provide safety nets for inept people to start businesses that fail? Nope. Why, then, should America subsidize that failure? And if you think America is one of the few places to become a billionaire, you're not educated or experienced enough to know that there are billionaires from all over the planet.

The fact of the matter is that you're just making excuses to justify your shitty work ethic and "gibsmedat" attitude.

Go die in a gutter, cunt.

Bernie will never be president and youre going to be poor your whole life you nigger.

>Do other countries provide safety nets for inept people to start businesses that fail?
the united states does if you're rich enough.
There are more safety nets in the us for big business than for people

I believe that you believe what you posted, I just think your emotional attacks are b8 meant to throw me out of logical argument. As to eliminating all debt, that's exactly the opposite of what I said. What I said is they need to MAINTAIN all debt if they're going to do the same to student loans. If Person X has to pay down their student loans all the way to the end no matter what, then Person Y should have to do the same with their credit cards and Person Z should have to do the same with their house that's worth 30% of what they borrowed for it because they got a balloon loan at peak real estate bubble. If Person X doesn't pay their debts and gets to start over with bankruptcy, and Person Z gets to let the house go to auction instead of paying what they borrowed against it, then Person X shouldn't be tied to their debt until the end of time.

It should be equal on everyone, either everyone pays or everyone gets bankruptcy protection. That's what I'm saying.

its another episode of retard thinks all college degrees are worth 100k jobs.

>muh connections
yes, NPCs literally live off human connection. Thats what makes them an NPC. The only thing they think about is fitting in with the herd, much like you.

Without college debt from a useless degree, making 30-40k a year for a full decade, assuming you don't spend all of it on useless shit should leave you with at least half a million to spend. ASSUMING THEY DON'T INVEST which would give them even higher gains.

Guy isn't even socialist
You don't 'elect' a socialist. You unionize, strike, arm yourselves, you ARE a socialist, or you're nothing
Fucking buger retards

He’s right OP
if you want to truly change things you will need to use violence

This
Otherwise trump wouldve been ruined long ago

Because useless retarded leeches like you would literally starve in the street if wallmart of safeway went bankrupt and that is the only reason why.

>inb4 muh tax breaks for amazon HQ

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Nah, he's a socialist. The only based thing he's ever done in his entire life is praise a racist.

That's the joke.

What are you waiting for? All your other comrades to go first? This is why you need hierarchy.

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real advice work only just above the average to avoid being part of a layoff. Any more work than that is pointless.

I don't want in the middle of this, but-there are several government debts immune from bankruptcy. Taxes for instance. Probably others.

However hierarchy goes against the very principles of communism itself.

Daily reminder that communism is literally the ideology of normalfags. Its an ideology that seeks to uplift normalfag NPCs to the level of actual humans for no reason other than hive mentality.

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That’s just he cannon fodder
Every army has them. Even in the civil war we had niggers go first, on both sides.

>Even in the civil war we had niggers go first, on both sides.
no

unless your boss is the CEO and there is nobody under him until your level you are full of shit.

Somebody has to take that position. It might not be like a video game where you can level up in 10 minutes but it does and will happen.

I've yet to see any communist in existence worthy of anything but cannon fodder.
>be communist
>fucking capitalist pigs using us as human cattle
>oh those guys are just cannon fodder

So in the end you're just upset that economically, you're nothing but cannon fodder. Try a little harder in your next life instead of wasting all your time on Cred Forums.

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>Its an ideology that seeks to uplift normalfag NPCs to the level of actual humans for no reason other than hive mentality.
Funny, the way us communists (NPCs) see it: we just wan regulations on american capitalism so that sociopaths (humans) like you don’t piss all over the system.

I dont even consider myself a commie, that’s just what stupid rednecks call me.

>Somebody has to take that position.
That person isn't going to be the hardest worker nor the most competent one.

Not him but
It’s true, near the end of the war, both sides had niggers pitted against each other, both promising freedom from slavery if they fought.

Kek now were promising burger flippers the same chance to become billionaires

Your grasp of math is almost as bad as your grasp of language. 40,000 per year X 10 years =400,000. That's well below 500k, and that's before you take out things like food and a place to live. Even if they live below the poverty line, there's no way you can reasonably expect the average person to drop below 10k/year living expenses, otherwise the poverty level would be much higher, so call that 30k per year, which brings us down to 300k.

Even if we assume your math worked there, which again it doesn't, at all, you said 100k PER YEAR and implied that would be AVERAGE DISPOSABLE income. Then you started diverting to talking about top earners, then to savings, then implying that NPCs are somehow going to be financially savvy investors instead of either staying out or losing their ass, which is the typical experience for a rando in the market. You're not just wrong and scrambling to change what you said to seem right, the things you're changing to are also wrong. It's fucking recursive. You're fractally fucking wrong.

This is the worst attempt at an argument I've seen all day, and if you've been following this thread you recognize what a high fucking bar its set for dumbcunt performance.

>pic related

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This
Rich people just want someone with a nice smile, a poster boy for the investors

>It’s true, near the end of the war, both sides had niggers pitted against each other, both promising freedom from slavery if they fought.
no that is not true.
only the union had black soldiers in as soldiers.
and most of the time they were doing menial task rather than fighting since generals did not trust black soldiers.

>Not him but
soon there will be no one to flip burgers. That brilliant $15 hr minimum wage thing. The first automated fast food opened in my state a couple of months after Seattle.

Like i said its not my fight but he is right. It shocked the confederate public, but with he union’s addition of black soldiers they had to fight back. You should pick up a boom dude. Not just regurgitate what your incest family spats out.

Bump. It’s just a big talking point they’re still leaning on

Just think of it from a managers position.
how does promoting the hardest worker help you?
the worker is more useful to you in their current position to you than out of it.
if you had to choose between promoting a worker but investing time in training them in their new position or choosing an external candidate that is already trained to do the job which are you going to choose?

How will society go on when burger flippers move to more efficient jobs and the economy improves as a result. God, this is the worst thing that's ever happened.

>Somebody has to take that position
its going to go to whoever networked better than than who worked the hardest.

Yeah everything is getting automated, even complicated desk jobs. and the usa has little compassion for homeless, my advice is that you flee back to where your ancestors came from (unless its africa)

>Some science...worth more than others?

Wow, that makes zero sense. Congrats. You’re retarded.

your opinion-
a lack of entry level jobs will not affect me.They will go away without entry level pay.

Suits me.

you misspelled especially

But wait! The credible scientists make the same point I’m making. Huh. Imagine that

Im an architect, and let me tell you, the industry is flooded! Many industries are flooded, we have more of these “efficient workers” than we know what to do with, that brings down their worth and everyones salary as a result.

>a lack of entry level jobs will not affect me.
that attitude lead to the french and russian revolutions.

lol
Monica

Just wait for free college.

>the french and russian revolutions
will not affect me either.

Were already there
The news just doesnt report it correctly

Entry level will move up. There used to be an entire class of jobs called cottage industries in which people made things at home and sold them to large businesses. Now the term cottage industry is almost used ironically. That doesn't mean that the people who used to do those things are now ground into pink slime for mcdonalds to serve to slightly better people, it means that they enter other industries or other jobs in the same industry where their contribution is more efficient. It's advancements like that which gave rise to the 40 hour work week and the vastly superior quality of life the West enjoys compared to places that still have subsistence farmers, village weavers, and so on.

I'll freely admit that the plight of the individual doesn't factor much for me, but that's not because I don't care about people it's because in the big picture maximal felicity for everyone comes from a market that works better and produces things more efficiently. Keeping jobs that could b e done better by machines is not the road to bliss, it's the road to stagnation. Some day there will be better systems, better ways of thinking, better ways of employing human labor and dividing available resources, but as things stand right now automation replacing unskilled labor is the best thing that can happen to the overall happiness of the world.