Why hasn't socialism ever succeeded one single time in the history of mankind?

eating your own pets?

It turned a war torn Germany into an economic super power, but that had more to do with removing parasites than an economic model to be fair

So basically no matter what governments do humans are still shit and ruin everything

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32 of the 33 industrialized countries in the world have socialized healthcare

yep, total failure

China is quickly surpassing the US in every field
>B-but it's not real socialism when it works waaah

> OMG I can’t believe he doesn’t know what socialism is!!! What a looser!

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The Nazi German economy was based on unpayable loans and raiding other countries. It wasn't sustainable.

3 out of 5 niggers have AIDS. What's your point?

Yeah, including virus outbreaks. Doing a fucking gem over there.

The Soviet Union was under-equipped to make up a new economic system from scratch. Then everyone who got into the stuff after the soviets just imported soviet eggheads to set up soviet-style command economies, partly from laziness and partly because unless one was a particularly important yet remote client state or China (who could have but didn't) deviation could mean withdrawal of support and trade subsidies.

>a currency based on production rather than debt relied on foreign loans

Nigger what?

Isn't that the same as the current US economy?

No governmental system has ever been successful... I mean, wtf... What do you even mean? They all have issues and some are better for certain groups of people or the government than others.

It was 38 billion marks in the hole by 1939, bruh.

people like to own things

It punishes one of humanities greatest traits, the desire to learn, innovate, and strive to achieve the best for themselves and others.

It rewards one of humanities worst traits, the desire to cut corners, be lazy, and get free shit with zero effort.

Some aspects can be fine, but the general ideas i've seen thrown around look utopian at best. Th problem is humans are humans, so utopia is a dream.

Capitalism is good for an extended period of time. Statistically though, the reach get richer and the poor get poorer. At least that's how the trend has looked up to this point. We can slowly see rising wages, but it's greed that destroys the system.

It's ridiculous for someone make millions and millions of dollars to say they won't keep expanding business if their taxes go up a few percentage points.

On top of that, the wealthy use accountants and tax loopholes to bypass their equal share compared to the middle class.

I may be wrong, but if you think about it, it's the middle class that supports those on federal aid. In an ever revolving cash circle while the top earners hoard the money.

The top 1% of earners had over 50% of the world's GDP a few years ago. Somethings wrong when one percent of the world has over fifty percent of its money.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

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Yes, after spending over 100bn in rearmament and having over 20bn in debt in 1931 due to war reparations alone.

Good try, tho

Except it has and you're too cucked by American education and media to even learn about it.

trip get

Happiness should include everyone.

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>Loser responses
>has no answers
>avoids question
>returns to fapping at Orange God shrine.

Sure, because at the same time money was siphoned off the private sector, leading to underinvestment in consumer industry and largely stagnant wages.
And in any case, one need only look at the soviet union: a national debt need not be large so long as that which pays it is scarce.

Checkd trips

HEY EVERYONE WHY NOT JUST STAY HOME FROM WORK ON APRIL FOOLS DAY 2020 AS A FORM OF COLLECTIVE ACTION?

Anyone making less than $30,000 a year, Anyone without health insurance, Anyone who feels stuck without a way forward, please listen when I say, this system has made fools of us all. We all know the stick poking us into line is the threat of homelessness. Why not just take the power back by proving we'd be fine at least for a day? We all know the feeling of being stuck inside on a day off before a check comes. We know what it's like to have an empty pantry. Most of all, we know what it's like to feel like our needs aren't being met. The United States has 155,000,000 workers. An 8 hour shift at $15/hr comes to $120 before taxes. Even if your boss thinks they can't afford their workforce’s time for a day, here's a list of people who could single handedly pay literally every worker that amount with money left over: Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Larry Paige, Larry Ellison (I love that there's two larry's), Narc Suckernerd, Alice Walton, Jim Walton, Sergey Brin, Warren Buffet, Micheal Bloomberg, Steve Balmer, Rob Walton, Charles Koch, Julia Koch, Mackenzie Bezos, Phil Knight, Sheldon Adelson, Micheal Dell, Jacqueline Mars, John Mars, Jim Simmons, Lauren Powell Jobs, Elon Musk, and Rupert Murdoch. Needless to say, your boss can take it up with them. Hell, a lot of you reading this are probably employed by these people. They can't fire us all. If you're on work release, they can't throw you all back in jail at once; although, I'm sure Geo Group would love to try.

The day is only yours if you seize it. If you want to stand up for what you believe in, please, put this in your own words, find your inner courage, and come outside with us. Afterward, return to the status quo if you’d like.

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so should working, but not everyone wants to work as hard as others.

You realize due to the sheer power of socialism they were able to quarantine entire city sections to prevent further contamination? What do you think would happen in America if that shit happened?

Then it's no different than the capitalist economy in America while we've seen wages stagnate since the late 70's while also accruing a trillion USD in foreign debt over the last seventeen years. You're also moving the goalposts, but I get it, you didn't think this through.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalonia

If not for outside fuckery it would be independent today and running better than anything else in europe

Niggers

So you agree we should cut social security and put old people back to work. Got it

people staying home from work as a stunt is a good way to get themselves fired. they can easily find respectable, dedicated people to fill their position
let us know how your collective action goes

They literally did this in the 80s when gas prices skyrocketed and it fucking worked. Do assume just because you're too cucked by your corporate masters everyone else is

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>they can easily find respectable, dedicated people to fill their position

Or, y'know, the imported scabs we've brought in that'll work half as hard for a quarter the pay and no benefits.

Because fuck niggers

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Japan isn't Socialist you idiot

Capitalism has succeeded.

That's not Socialism.

Check'd dubs

Yeah but a lot of those people who want to work hard just do it to distract themselves from their own mortality. It isnt really admirable. I'd hazard to guess humans as a whole could put in a lot less effort for better results if we weren't hastily fucking our bodies up all over the place. Drugs, war, unsafe sex, poor working conditions, stress, Sitting for prolonged periods of time, obesity. It's hard to get stuff done right when you're constantly in pain.

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What kind of filthy lumpenprole thinks a fucking firefighter should lose his livelihood and be slandered in the press over calling blacks "coloreds"?

By embracing Capitalist policies.

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This is the result of government policies, not Capitalism itself.

More than a third of all companies are state owned in China

They built a wall to keep em out. we good lol

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American laborers have never been as well off as they were during the New Deal

there is a difference between those who are retired or unable to work, and those who choose not to work.
most old people i see still work or volunteer because they know the value of labor. theyre not asking for handouts becuase their lesbian dance theory degree couldn't land them a job.

You should tell all your friends to watch us. The revolution will not be televised. The revolution will be live...

streamed

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And? That means two thirds aren't.

You mean this wall?
nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/new-panel-of-trump-border-wall-blown-over-by-california-wind.html

>capitalist policies mean having the state own $63 trillion worth of business
Okay, retard

Which you say is two thirds of Chinese business. Soooo China does $180 trillion in business.... and I'm the retard. Ok fag

Yeah dude!! I'm sure they'll get it back up in no time if all these capitalists are to be believed!! Look they even did a gofundme!

washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/05/11/group-raised-more-than-million-build-wall-now-some-supporters-want-answers/

China's also not Socialist.

>so should working
I will not hold your grandmother to the same standard as I do myself.
Do what you can with what you have.

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Wow and here I was worried about BlackRock's 6.8 trillion and counting. You think china's burning the amazon too?

I can rob a bank... then I'd be set for life

have fun at your protest user

It's not a sustainable model and requires a massive State, which is easily corrupted.

I'm not the one claiming it's a Socialist economy, I'm just pointing out that you're brain dead for believing that state protectionism = capitalist policies.

OK, whatever, it's irrelevant to the conversation.

I don't care.

Irrelevant because you're wrong? Okay nigger, keep cucking for the invisible hand of the free market while it replaces you with a Pajeet

HO HO YOU SURE GOT ME

Imagine seething this badly over losing an economic argument on a Taiwanese knitting forum.

Confirmed for Dutch van der Linde.

Imagine thinking $63 Trillion is a third of China's GDP.

And I didn't lose anything.

Thanks homie. I will. I'm planning this show at red rocks but that's super expensive and frankly, I dont think I'm ready. I can't really sing. I hope people get out into the streets and party. Itll probably be snowy in a lot of places though. You ever ecstatic dance? Its freakin nuts.

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Are you actually retarded? 30% of all businesses =/= 30% of GDP.
>The Second National Economic Census conducted in 2008 reveals that of all the 208 trillion RMB total assets of the secondary and tertiary sectors (industrial and service sectors), 63 trillion – or 30 percent of total – was held by SOEs. (SOEs here correspond to state sole funded corporations and enterprises with the state as the biggest share holder.) Meanwhile, in terms of enterprise number, there were 154,000 SOEs at the end of 2008, only accounting for 3.1 percent of the total enterprise number. Hence, the big picture is clear: SOEs control a substantial part of total enterprise assets in China despite the fact that their total number is marginal. As a corollary of this observation it follows that the average size of SOEs is much bigger than that of non-SOEs. This is indeed the case. In terms of average assets, SOEs are equal to 13.4 times of non-SOEs.

blogs.worldbank.org/eastasiapacific/state-owned-enterprises-in-china-how-big-are-they

You do every time you post.

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This seems to be the recurring theme. We need to demonize ignorance and kill off those who directly or indirectly take advantage of other people.

That Nazi shithead will never be convinced that the 3rd Reich was wrong. Thank you for trying tho. We need more people like you these days.

>he still doesn't know that Marx and Hitler wrote about the same tribe

Lalala,
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Finland
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Iceland
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Sweden
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Norway
Lalala
most europeans have "socialist policies"
But i guess whole Cred Forums is brainwashed by big corpos and republicans like Mitch Mcconnell since they getting the moneyz.

Good luck kidos on sucking that rich dick.

They're starting to abound. I'm just wondering if we'll find a way to not be shitty about it. The trick is finding something that unites us. All that nazi shit comes from a lonely fucked up place. I used to to buy into it before I made friends from other walks of life.

Capitalism hasnt succeeded, no system has It might be succeeding in the short term before it inevitably crashes like the train it is. There can always be something better

>republicans like Mitch Mcconnell
he is an enemy.
> In 2014, CRP reported Pelosi's average net worth in 2014 was US$101,273,023 having ranked 8th out of 25 wealthiest members of Congress.
so is she.
don't be blinded.

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Yes, and that is *absolutely* a problem. The main difference is investor confidence, the US can keep this pain train rolling a while longer while the third reich was about to lose access entirely to international credit markets and thus confidence in its domestic credit guarantees.

??? I never said i was on side of democrats idk what you talk about

fuck the establishement

(((hmmm I wonder why that could have been)))

Because loans are issued and bonds are bought under the expectation that they will be paid at the agreed rate.

And why were they being shut out of the international markets over half a decade before the invasion of Poland, user?

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for anyone else then.

Because unless they're working with the bank robbers banks should really be able to identify bank robbers if they want to stay in business.
I mean the nazi's were annexing before 1939 bruh, and a lot of financial reserves in those territories had a tendency to go missing.

You mean the Saar Basin which elected to return to Germany under a plebiscite and Austria in much the same way? Modern day China never received such economic sanctions when they attempted to take Tibet through force. As to your second point, the same could be said again for the US when $21 trillion in tax revenue disappeared and yet you claim that our debt is only sustainable because of the confidence of investors that Germany allegedly lost for the same sins we're exponentially more guilty of.

Both of those annexations, I'll add, happened years after these international boycotts.

> socialism never succeeded one single time in the history of mankind

prove it faggot

Goodness no not the Saar basin, did they even have any gold to take? But Austria, well, it's telling that a plebiscite had been planned but not held until *after* it had been occupied by german troops.

Five years after the sanctions and boycotts had been put into place, it's a moot point either way. You can't blame the '38 Anschluss for European and American boycotts that began in 1933.

American has many socialist programs included for the rich, you dumb nigger faggot

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I honestly do not know what you're talking about. This isn't about boycotts and sanctions, this is about creditors losing faith in the security of their investments, which tends to happen when it seems that a country has more debt than ability to pay it within a given span of time.

>Why hasn't socialism ever succeeded one single time in the history of mankind?

Monetary based systems don't like competition.

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Kek everytiem

And now we've reached circular logic. Again, you're not accusing Germany of anything that America isn't guilty of. You first tried to explain it away by Germany being closed out of the markets when I pointed out how little debt they accrued compared to what was put on them during the Treaty of Versailles and how much they invested in rearmament. You then tried to use annexation and plundering as an excuse for it, despite the fact that neither of which occurred until nearly a decade after they were shut out of the market. You're dancing around the hook-nosed elephant in the room. Germany was shut out of the international market for the same reason that Gaddafi's Libya was, because they were the geopolitical enemies of the Jewish international banking class.

>The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all this didn't help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about. Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again. But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn't help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day.

Simply put, because people are selfish and abuse power.

I never said they were closed out of the markets. Like, at all. I did say they were liable to lose access to international credit markets, insofar as no one would soon want to carry their debt. This, of course, has nothing to do with any informal boycott of German goods.
In response to you saying how "little" debt they'd accrued, my direct response was the redirection of national resources away from consumer industry and towards military industry, which I assume you understand is problematic when it comes to paying off debts, unless of course the germans had actually been planning to sell off their new military toys en masse. After that, we touched on the looting of gold reserves in particular annexed territories, excluding of course the Saar Basin.

You seem a bit confused as to the topic. is there something you would like me to clarify?

How about be better than the world's most successful Capitalist economy, the United States

The United States has government funded services, despite your many great efforts to defund them and become like Somalia, they still exist.

USA is socialist.

Alright so the military industrial complex, corporate subsidies, bloated congressional wages and congressional pensions, breaking treaty after treaty and mass slaughter of american indians after taking their guns are all socialism.

got it. thanks

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It has succeeded in corrupting every capitalist country in history though

>orange man bad
try harder faggot

>having to prove a negative
>logical

pick one

>alt right logic
>Europe is a socialist hellhole
>Europeans leading in all quality of life statistics by far
>Europe isn't socialist!

The difference between USA and Europe is that Europe has no problems of using public money for public matters, while USA is putting the money somewhere else.

Great. Another thread full of faggot Americans who don't understand how to politics. Honestly, it's like watching chimps arguing.

People like to *think* they own things.

fuck off - capitalism was fine until rich people started buying laws and avoiding taxation. The US had its' highest periods of growth when there was a 95% tax on income over 200k p.a.

This. Socialism has never been properly implemented so we don't actually know what it will look like. Every attempt so far hasnt been psuedo_socialism (state socialism) , and old authoritarian power structures just remereged to replace the old.

Because outside pressures and forces are a factor. Along with that so is a lack of technology to support a large population without tons of slave or very immoral slave labor justified in various ways like in China it’s prisoners. Not to mention nobody wants to slow down with the reproducing so they have large societies and more mouths to feed.

The problem isn’t the 1%. It’s the 99% they’re forced to carried around. We could have the human population cut by 90% and because we have genomes made of various races thanks to home DNA testing kits and sperm banks they never have to worry about inbreeding in a small population.

Higher populations have more diseases, oh wow. In the long term that will only raise their disease resistance.

Even the corporations that aren't state owned are all public. There are no private companies. Market != Capitalist.

Kek. The ignorance. Go read about what life was like a hundred years ago, then come back.

If you can't keep what you've earned through work then you lose incentive to work. In turn, this makes people work less or stop entirely to live on the handouts. Eventually, the resources you can take are less than are needed to hand out and it puts the nations as a whole in the shitter.

user are you over the age of 16?

If not you shouldn't be on this site

Is that the best you’ve got? Really?

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not making your population starve is a good start

>perpetuates the idea that human beings stop work outright
>not because they feel disenfranchised from their own countries and the business that hire them

I wish I could be as stupid as you, id live a happier life

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Stop making this thread every day you unloved social reject.

I did not say or imply that all do, but some do indeed. I also said work less. The former usually applies to those bottom tier on the pay scale since it works in their favor to not work and reap the handout rather than work and pay taxes for others. The latter (work less) is oft for the top tier (or middle to high class). Since their work will not net them the same reward. i.e. it's better for them to take home 50% of $200k ($100k) instead of only 10% of $500k ($50k).

Some people quit work due to feelings of disenfranchisement, but that can be true of any economic model. It's not inherently part of the reason socialism fails.

Best healthcare in the world? US.
Best school system in the world? US.
>This is what burgers actually believe.

>capitalism
>successful
are you pretending to be retarded?

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Mostly rich faggots using all power against the progression of mankind, and of course you little cuck buttboys licking their assholes and thanking them for the privilege
>inb4 billionaire cucked shills reeeeeeee

humans are too evil

what is the measure of success though, capitalism has also created lots of poverty and miserable wage slaves and the "infinite growth" model is about to deplete the planets resources and cause mass starvation

the future will be fun, glad i won't be around to experience it

ITT: 'Capitalists' that don't realize that without any real capital, they are not actually Capitalists.
You are the capital.
Fucking sheep, your stupidity is staggering.

stale boomer copypasta

That's not socialism you nigger. If social programs = socialism then we must also admit the nazi Germany was in fact socialist. But anyone whose actually studied socialism understands that workers control the means of production and wealth distribution, not the government and not CEOs. No country has attempted real socialism because it gives power to citizens. You just want a welfare state faggot.

Why do you post this every day?

I mean I’m a pretty big fan of fire departments and that seems to work well

Socialism is a set of left-wing political principles whose general aim is to create a system in which everyone has an equalvopportunityto benefit from a country's wealth. Under socialism, the country's main industries are usually owned by the state.

Synonyms: Marxism, communism, leftism, social democracy

Quasi socialism works kind of, look at the US the last 100 years

he's retired at home with an ugly wife and no grandkids

Guess the only sort-of socilisam that works is closed in communities like the Amish etc. Cant see it working on a larger scale or without as much work as they put in.

why hasn't capitalism ever succeeded one single time in the history of mankind?

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capitalism with welfare and healthcare is not socialism.

it's not capitalism either

Nancy pelosi’s husband has owned a California real estate agency for 50 years as well a 3 other successful businesses. Her parents were also wealthy.

Engels and Marx were hardcore weimar democrats, today they would count as right, because they also wanted aristrocacy. Read the communist manifesto, it has nothing to do with how we percieve communism, but instead a strong wellfare state with everyone being smart and educated, hence it is called an ideology.

>because they also wanted aristrocacy
They didn't. The "dictatorship" of the proletariat was a term used for direct democracy.
>Read the communist manifesto
Kapital is his actual opus

The US military is socialism and works great.
The US prison system is socialism and works.. Um..
Your mom is socialism.

Right kommrad?

>They didn't. The "dictatorship" of the proletariat was a term used for direct democracy.
You are right, concerning internal affairs they thought the people should govern the state. But for external affairs they thought a strong leader should represent the state. In a way like the role of the Queen in the UK, simply a figurehead representing the people.