If i vote for him will i get free healthcare?

100% this

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this guy gets it
sorry millenials are too dumb to understand simple math
and that america currently has the best healthcare in the world which is why all the rich people all over the world fly here when they have something serious

I unironically think Trump actually has a better shot of doing universal healthcare than Bernie. A reelected Trump will have power to spare and the GOP's nuts are already in his pocket, and Trump's wanted to do universal healthcare for decades.

Bernie will literally be all by himself surrounded by GOP and Dems who are all owned by the same corporations. They are just not going to let Medicare For All happen.

We could probably pull off the Swiss model

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>Carter was the last guy not to get a second term.
biography.com/us-president/george-hw-bush

And there _have_ been single term presidents, but we've never had an impeached president win re-election.

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Problem is you already get free healthcare. If one of your weed deals good bad and you get shot right in your stupid face an ambulance will pick you up and unfortunately save your life.

But yes, you would now have access to preventative healthcare which saves money in the long run.

TL;DR

agree, only trump has a chance of overhauling anything in government
and i didnt even vote for him :(
but agree anyway
will this time tho cuz he proved his shit and delivaared

>in Bernie's proposal EVERYBODY is paying substantially (3-10x) the current amount of taxes they paying--nearly all of which would go to his "free" healthcare.
[citation needed]
But for realsies, for most Americans, their combined tax and insurance burden would go down, not up.
The point is his plan cuts billions in middleman profit.
Money we're just pumping into insurance company coffers without getting anything in return.
That said, it's a moot point since his plan won't pass even a Democrat majority Congress, eevn though it's overall what's best for everybody _but_ the corporate leaches.

No, he has to win and change the laws first. And even if he does, you won't get a health system as cool as most European countries. You're from America, not Europe, and you have to get used to that, or emigrate.

Trump hasn't delivered shit.

Unemployment is down 1.1% in 3 years. That is not very significant or great. It also says nothing about the types of jobs created, and unless you're a rich business owner celebrating all the peons who are transferring excess labor value to your bank account, you'll have to show more evidence that any of this is good.

I mean we hit trillion dollar deficit spending, tax cuts for the wealthy and cheap fed printed debt being used to purchase trillions of dollars worth of stock buybacks, no doubt it's good if you're in the top 1% that owns most of the stock being inflated by cheap debt.

>get shot right in your stupid face an ambulance will pick you up and unfortunately save your life.
Ambulance rides generally aren't free.
Without the ACA, a LOT of Americans would be better off taking an Uber to the hospital.

>That said, it's a moot point since his plan won't pass even a Democrat majority Congress, eevn though it's overall what's best for everybody _but_ the corporate leaches.

This. It fucking burns me up but Bernie is just the start. There are literally hundreds of Congresswhores who have to go first, otherwise Bernie is just sitting in the Oval Office being ignored by everyone.

At least Trump has started the process on the other side. I cheered when that fuck Paul Ryan got "retired"

bush sr broke promises, specially economic ones, and he was running again a popular liberal dude and some dumb rich guy split the conservative vote, carter's economy sucked to and he was seen as a weak guy dealing with foreign policy, trump's circumstances are the complete opposite of what made carter and bush lose, the economy is doing fine and trump has been loyal enough to his base and the democrats are running unlikeable people

None of it is free but hospitals and ambulances do not ask for payment before treatment so this piece of shit would get treated then not pay. The hospital will then charge-off the loss and that would offset their tax liability.

>denial

There's plenty of bad shit Trump's done, but it's been 3 years and it's undeniable he's done a great job with the economy.

>excess labor value

oh christ you guys still exist

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The only actually informed, non-partisan answer in here.

Just voting for him won't get you free anything. The shitbag has to win the entire election. But yea I think it's cool for you to let tax payers be responsible for your useless ass.

Democrats have been raising the minimum wages across the US.

A vote for Bernie is the right step towards Medicare for all. Not exactly free unless your in the tax bracket that would not be paying any additional taxes for it. According to his tax plan, if I remember correctly, those making under 30k a year would not get a tax increase. I think 30-60 Was like a 40 dollar increase per year. But they would be paying less for insurance since it would be paid for by the government.
Covers everything. Deductibles, co pays, vision, dental. Everything.

Will likely take a bit to get it in place, but he's the only one that could get it done. He has also vowed to restrict how much pharmaceutical companies can charge for prescription drugs first day in office, which is something he can do as an executive order, until Medicare for all can be implemented.

>Emigrate
Aaaaaaand entire post invalidated. Congratulations.

The combining of Americas wealth would make healthcare costs go down right??? proportional taxes make sure the rich pay their fair amount. and although its is true that It might never get passed, free healthcare is so not one of the richest countries in the world just lets its people die in the streets next to mansions.

Didn't America also fuck with a bunchj of socialist countries including Venezuela to "show" that socialism wouldn't work.

>everyone making more than 30k will see a tax increase to pay for everyone's medical bills in a sick country
i can't see how this could possibly backfire for Burnie

the man has the charisma of a cum sock

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BERNIE WON... YEAH

>not adjusted for inflation

Nice one, buddy.

>you select the amount of healthcare coverage you want
>Not being forced to pick from pre-designed packages
Where do you live?

venezuela fucked itself through the decades
>live off overpriced oil for 40 years
>never invest in anything just spend spend spend the oil money
>make enemies, burn bridges with your neighbors
>try to control the weakened economy with a mediocre bureaucratic overclass

You haven't met my cum sock

I WANT MY FREE SHIT
FUCK THE RICH

bro wtf .....no need to be hostile. i fucking make necklaces out of recycled stuff and sell it at phish shows

Fewer than 10% of Americans work for minimum wage, and it's been a smaller percentage every year since 2014. The fraction of the few percent of Americans who got a bump from a minimum wage increase does not account for that

>not adjusted for inflation

Inflation in 2019 was 1.76%

And of course, in that case, for most of the Obama years we were all getting poorer or barely any increase at all -- it actually makes the current upswing even more impressive

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That's because it's not fake.

This guy gets it.

>>oh christ you guys still exist

Still exist? Corporations have us over the barrel and are taking production value directly from their workers.

Wage and salary disbursements were 43% of GDI in 2017, and while the percentage was lower from 2010 to 2016, this period is the lowest it’s been in 60-plus years. The measure was 51.6% back in 1953 and in 1970.

if Bernie wins, then democrats probably won the house but the senate will be republican for decades so nothing will happen

The problem is they will think this is literally a hard problem to figure out...

>He has also vowed to restrict how much pharmaceutical companies can charge for prescription drugs first day in office
Pretty nice thing for him to propose
Wow 10/10 rebuttal I'm voting for trump.

meh i'd rather have bernie than another democrat nwo sockpuppet, still, higher taxes promises will probably fuck bernie in the southern primaries and (if he wins the nomination) in the election

Right now I pay 60 ever 2 weeks, so 40 for the year being in that bracket would be a big difference.
Also the companies who pay a portion of their employees insurance plans would save big on this.

>>Fewer than 10% of Americans work for minimum wage

No, fewer than 10% of Americans work for the FEDERAL minimum wage.

paycor.com/resource-center/minimum-wage-by-state

Shows states minimum wages increasing on a yearly basis, largely in Democrat states, pushing up wage gains.

>Fewer than 10% of Americans work for minimum wage
So what, 7.50 an hr?

taxes go up 2k a MONTH
HC cost drops 8 k a YEAR...its bad

Actually preventative care does not save money according to every single study that has been shown. It is only in the healthcare's industry to promote "preventative" healthcare. Just like the dentist's office calls you every 6 months for that cleaning . . . you don't need it but it makes them money so they sell you the concept under the guise of it saving you money in the long run when it doesn't, it costs you more money. You either have a cavity or you don't and the cost of drilling it out is going to be the same whether you had that regular cleanings or not. It's the same with all healthcare. 88% of the profits made by doctors are "preventative" care which is more accurately called "regular (unneeded) checkups, when nothing is wrong".

Need McConnel out of office to get anything done. Hoping Amy McGrath can beat him.

Double dosed on the stupid pills today?

>taking production value directly from their workers.

lmao

The problem with the labor "theory" of value, aside from its objective total failure everywhere it's been applied, is that it requires a total misunderstanding of how labor IS valued.

Enjoy your fucked up teeth at 50.

>Inflation in 2019 was 1.76%

>cites a multi-year graph un-adjusted for inflation to show wage growth
>gets called out
>cites a single year's inflation as a counterpoint

Ok.

mcconnel just reassured his own reelection sticking to trump, the population is divided almost half-half between Ds and Rs but the states are overwhelmingly republican and the federal pact will just keep these policies dead on the water forever or until the country splits because of irreaconciliable differences

>No, fewer than 10% of Americans work for the FEDERAL minimum wage.

No, fewer than 10% of Americans work for the minimum wage in their state. Fewer than 4% work for the federal minimum wage.

Depends on the state

>doesn't know what he's talking about
>continues to say retarded things rather than Google for one second

CPI's been mostly flat for a decade, within half a percent of 2.0, except the dip in 2015/16 (which also saw slowed wage growth). Wage growth has doubled since Trump got elected.

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I don't live in Kentucky so I can't vote for Amy, but I'm hoping from a distance his state will do the right thing and voters will realize he is blocking the Democratic process by not allowing bills to be voted on in the Senate.
Also, my state needs to elect anyone but Collins.

Treating high blood pressure is better than a heart attack. Catching cancer early is better than at stage 4, ask Rush.

Also, go to the dentist you animal. Cleanings and checkups is how you stay on top of cavities. If you don't know you have gingivitis you get cavities, if you don't know you have a cavity you don't get a filling which then turns to a root canal etc. Take care of your body you disgusting creature.

3-10x more taxes = literal dollars when you are dealing with percentages. For most people it's a difference of $20 or $30 more. This is not too dissimilar from how private insurance currently works either, numbnuts. Instead of paying $30 a month for health insurance you're paying $300+ a month, and for what? For your provider to tell you to fuck yourself because "pre existing condition" or for your doctor to suddenly change because "muh networks". You can't choose doctors because networks change all the time. Not even insurance providers seem to know what doctors you can and can't go to. Even trying to figure out where you can actually go to USE your insurance is a convoluted and needlessly complicated process. I don't think you know what you're talking about.

>if i vote for him will i get free healthcare?
No, because he's going to lose.

>he is blocking the Democratic process by not allowing bills to be voted on in the Senate.

lmfao

>why isn't McConnell wasting months of the Senate's time on joke House bills that are a) guaranteed not to pass and b) if somehow they magically managed to pick up a couple of Republican votes, would immediately get vetoed or c) aren't actual proposed laws, like the "Election security" jokes

The Senate's actually pretty busy confirming judges. Stopping that in order to waste days debating and then inevitably voting down House bills is the definition of a waste of time.

You will end up in a communist country.

>if i vote for him will i get free healthcare?
>like even if i dont work?
If you don't work, you already can get free healthcare. It's called Medicaid.

Medicare-for-all would benefit the working poor and middle class by stabilizing their insurance. No more surprise $20k bills after an ambulance takes you to an out-of-network surgeon while you're unconscious (yes — this actually does happen in America; our system is that fucking stupid.)

>i live in a van and just do odd jobs for weed and booze. semi homeless and im not trolling
Sign up for your state's Medicaid.

of course you will you dumb faggot
your taxes will actually be used for what they were supposed to be used for in the first place

T. Failed high school economics

>Sign up for your state's Medicaid.
then why do we need m4a?

>Burgerstani retards defending their banana republic health and insurance industry
God I love watching you retards defending your clown show circus 'country'

So you admit they refuse to do their jobs and are just pushing their partisan line. Got it

>>Sign up for your state's Medicaid.
>then why do we need m4a?

Did you not read the whole post to which you were replying? It wasn't particularly long, user.

Let me help you out:
>Medicare-for-all would benefit the working poor and middle class by stabilizing their insurance. No more surprise $20k bills after an ambulance takes you to an out-of-network surgeon while you're unconscious (yes — this actually does happen in America; our system is that fucking stupid.)

>Medicare-for-all would benefit the working poor and middle class by stabilizing their insurance.

I live in Canada and I'd rather my uncle have gotten a $20k bill and be alive than have died waiting for free cancer surgery, which is what happened.

Single-payer doesn't make health care more available. It just takes away the working poor's option of getting treated and then going bankrupt. Being alive and broke beats saving money for funeral expenses.

I'm not saying it's not worth exploring, but as someone who lives in a single-payer jurisdiction, there are many aspects to it that are much much much worse than what you already have.

ME is turning redder, she will win, and trump will win at least one of your districts like the last time or more

>they refuse to do their jobs and are just pushing their partisan line.

Can you not read?

Their job is to confirm public servants and pass legislation. Refusing to waste time on legislation that has ZERO chance of passing is actually doing a good job, especially considering they are our employees.

Lmfao

Many of the bills in question received bipartisan support in the House.

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Bernie's a demagogue. Expand Medicare and Medicaid and allow more competition is literally all you need in order to cover everyone and lower prices. Medicare for All is a 30 trillion dollar joke.

Nah, lot of people are getting pissed with her flip flopping, on both sides of the line. I don't think Collins will see another term.
Southern Maine is mostly Dems while Northern is mostly Repubs. Happens.

not him, but he's right
my brother is actually a dentist and says the exact same thing
teeth cleanings do nothing and he laughed at me when i told him i had great teeth because i get them cleaned every 3 months
he said teeth cleanings are free to him and he never gets them done and that they really don't do anything, and a lot of the time all they do is take off enamel
he said brushing alone is actually better than getting cleanings based on studies in the latest dental journal publications
when i asked him if he pushes for cleanings with his patients, he said of course he did and that they literally teach that and the economics of dental practice in dental school but he confirmed it's a complete waste of money but because he can have a hygenist do it and it's regular business all day long, the profit margin is by far the most

Currently, I have my job supplements my healthcare costs, so I pay about $400 a month for about a $3000 deductible. I would much rather not pay that money a month and be taxed it instead so we could have a single payer system. The single payer system would force healthcare costs down, like it has done across the board for Canada as well as European and Nordic countries.

Lol. I'm 59. I also have only ever had 2 cavities and both were when I was maybe 7 or 8 years old. I go to the dentist once maybe every 15 years and he always comments that my teeth look perfect and suspects I am going to another dentist and starts asking questions about that. There goes your theory.

it's a trade-off: everyone will get health care, but we won't have as much money for fighter jets that don't fly and tax breaks for billionaires.

tough choice for the working poor.

The Koch brothers did a study that literally showed Medicare for all would cost the same as our current combined medical programs (Medicare, separate state programs, VA, ect) by eliminating the admin costs of all the different systems and combining them into one.

>bipartisan

Picking up a couple House GOP votes is nice. The bills are DOA in the Senate, which everyone knew when they were being proposed and voted on in the House.

Why would anyone want the Senate to spend days on a bill that a) is not going to pass and b) if somehow it managed to squeak through, would be instantly vetoed?

It's just the most retarded thing. Get mad about McConnell packing the federal courts with his guys, that's something that is real and is really happening and will shape the country for DECADES. That shit should scare you. They've nearly flipped the 9th Circuit, for fuck's sake

That McConnell doesn't want to waste Senate time on shit that will never ever become law, when there is so much other shit going on, is just the craziest thing to complain about. It's like when Nancy Pelosi said Trump's a clear and present danger to democracy who has to be impeached right NOW, and then literally the next day voted to give him nearly unlimited defense spending and a new branch of the armed forces

free healthcare
weed will be legal in all 50 states
affordable housing
free college education
Student loans and medical debt forgiveness
guarantee federal job - 15/hr for anyone who wants to work

- the downside is we have to make billionaires pay their fair share in taxes

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>- the downside is we have to make billionaires pay their fair share in taxes

The downside is that the only thing he could actually do is legal weed, because DOJ works for him and he can do that by executive order

If you think the corporate whores in Congress would pass one single item of the rest of his agenda, you're dreaming.

I was following your conversation and audibly luaghed when I saw no response to your last post. The kiddos don't like when you break the fourth wall and referance reality.

I'd give 50% of my income for that, and I only earn 100k

>free healthcare
>weed will be legal in all 50 states
ok im in
>affordable housing
please explain how he will control the free market?
>free edu
ok cool im in
>debt forgiveness
someone will get fucked, who?
>federal job
lolololololololol

im down with bernie but he is a dreamer who panders on some things.

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Yeah, until they run out of "rich" people to steal from, then you will have to hope you can find a job so they can take 80% of what you make.

>If you think the corporate whores in Congress would pass one single item of the rest of his agenda, you're dreaming.
be a lot cooler if they did !

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Except Obama had complete control of both the house and senate when he passed obamacare, he was never serious about providing healthcare, that's why we go the republican healthcare plan they proposed in the 90s

Funny how every american has these already? But you know...get off social media, work hard to improve yourself, live within your means, stop maxing out your credit.

But user, billionaires already pay their fair share in taxes. They just hide the rest of their money in tax havens in the Cayman islands.

id give 17%..best i can do
i make 150k-ish

I have all of those things. I'm a slouch and I come from near homeless poverty. Nothing I've done is out of the ordinary or difficult to achieve. Is Bernie gonna offer me a flat screen tv and a gaming pc next?

I was at least hoping for

>w-well it's still the Obama economy somehow

He can also cap prices on pharmaceuticals by executive order.

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My active tax rate is already higher than that (19%) under Trump's new tax plan, so I dunno wtf you're smoking.

i wonder how that will work out?

>im not trolling
Of course you're not, tovarishch.

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lmao that'd be the shortest Presidency ever

im in real estate....i have a lot of deductions and depreciation. the rest is between me and my CPA's

t. Boomer
Healthcare is shit. I don't even know what doctors I can go to. And if I break a leg I need to cough up $2,000. Yeah real quality healthcare. All of you people say "live within your means". The problem is "means" is different everywhere. It can even be different just a few miles down the highway from wherever you are currently living. I shouldn't have to live in the ghetto and have to worry about being shot to "live within my means".

i would rather some blueblood get free shit over any purple haired, septum ring lard ass

not him, but good job cherry-picking a couple of the very few things that actually can be screened for
but then again, even your examples are 'screening', it's not 'preventative' medicine at all

what the other user said about dentists is actually true
you don't need them unless you have a cavity and the pain will tell you that you need a dentist, not some preventative checkup

listen man this is Cred Forums. were all nazis and anarchists here. stop being informed.

Student loan debt would be paid for by a tax on wall street speculative trading. Since Wall street never paid back the bailout they received this would kill two birds with one stone.

This

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Obama had house and senate first two years dumbass. Can't blame Obamacare on the Republicans. They had no say in it. Didn't get to debate it. Didn't vote for it. Remember, we need to pass it to see what's in it?

capital gains from stocks are already taxed.
so we just raise more taxes i guess.
but yeah fuck bail outs

You're already eligible for free healthcare in that scenario, larping fag. Under the existing system, I get free check ups, free doctor visits, free medical procedures, free dental, free eye doctor visits. My prescriptions only cost 1 to 3 dollars co pay. I'm part time employed -24 hours per week - and get full coverage plus $350 food stamps per month.

If OP is legit in the situation he claims, he's eligible for full medical and food stamps, too. Smells like bullshit, tho.

Oh, just like food in Venezuela? Maybe Google that and see how easy it is to go buy some government price restricted food from your local walmart. Also, You may want to google what an executive order is, because it is not what you think it is.

Yeah, you will so much free stuff. All of your student loan debt will disappear too.

>a tax on wall street speculative trading.

lmao

>every blue chip stock instantly lists on the FTSE, Dow becomes irrelevant

It's hilarious that Commies on the one hand understand that megacapital is completely amoral and will do and go wherever the greatest profit is, in an international system literally designed to make it effortless for them to do so, and simultaneously think it will just knuckle under to a trillion dollar tax raise when a quick paperwork change will get them out of it

i was on EBT but it ran out. my state sets a limit

Except. He has said he is in favor of giving illegals free healthcare. Add to it the free college, pay off student loans, all that other shit combined with not a single unbiased source has said Bernie's plan won't cost us more.

Selfless True President Obama, content to let everyone work at McDonald's for 8 years so that the next President could reap the benefits of his genius economic policy

Although I remember back in 2018 the stock market dipped, and then the media said we were finally in the Trump economy

But I guess that was only for a couple months, until it started setting records again, so we've been back in the glorious Obama economy since

Your shit healthcare. Brought to you by: government overregulation of the health insurance market. YAAAAAAAY

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Yes, you will, like in any normal European country.

What is it with you guys and stock buybacks? Is that the new fog whistle. Mention evil Corp. Plus evil stick market and hope the unwashed masses just believe that's evil? Explain to me how that negatively affects you.

Perot hated bush. Fucked him over.

He is protecting the people by blocking all the communist/socialist bullshit that comes out of the House.

Did that here. Now you can order at an automated kiosk in most fast food joints. Happened in mass right after min wage went up.

Then let it be voted on. If it's so bad it'll be voted down immediately. The problem is that it won't be quickly voted down, so he just blocks the vote.

Because those guys do not understand the basic concepts of economics. Especially when you hear "excess labor value" you know you're dealing with a Marx cultist.

They don't seem to understand that more than 50% of Americans own stock, probably because all their economic ideas were cooked up by some retarded beggar in the 19th century when only top-hat-wearing plutocrats were in the stock market.

I mean, I've got a comparatively pathetic retirement portfolio, and it's up 40% since Trump got elected. That's more than $20k he's made me, even before the raises, bonus, and promotion I've received since the economy kicked into high gear. And I am barely median income.

>Then let it be voted on. If it's so bad it'll be voted down immediately.

Because "immediately" in terms of the Senate still takes hours and hours to do. It must be proposed, there must be debate, there must be a vote of cloture to end debate, then a further vote to inevitably vote it down. Congratulations, you've just wasted half a day of Senate convention for absolutely no reason.

Even if, SOMEHOW, it picks up Romney and a couple other purple GOP senators, Trump then vetoes it, and you're still at exactly nothing achieved.

What of course is actually happening is the Reid rule, when the filibuster was abolished for federal judges. The Senate is busily confirming dozens of young conservative federal judges, and the Democrats are desperate for literally anything to slow this down.

All bullshit. " If I remember correctly" ? Fuck off. Show the facts. Prove that I will be paying less. Then show me how much more I'll have to pay so some retard can get a free paint by numbers degree in origami. Then tell me how much I'll have to pay to forgive all those deadbeats who won't pay off their college loans because their 4 years spent smoking pot for their art degree can't land them the six figure job where they get to only work 20 hours a week.

And what do you do when you run out of billionaires to rob?

UHHHH--UMM---UH NOBODY SHOULD BE THAT RICH

You forgot the part where they drove out the successful rich people and took over all the oil companies away from the people who knew what they where doing and replaced them with their government friends and family members who don't have a clue how to do shit.

Start your own business. Show us how it's done.

He earned it, so why should he not be able to keep it?

You can say right now pelosi is blocking the Republicans. Will you say that?

lmao what a sight that'd be

>we made $20,000 worth of #FuckCapitalism iPhone covers and I paid my workers exactly $20,000 in wages! Finally, no surplus value being robbed from labor!

>now to take my remaining $0.00 and pay the lease on the building, the cost of the machines, the cost of the raw materials and electricity, the cost of shipping and marketing the product, the cost of R&D to develop different covers to fit new models of phones..

Why waste time and money on something that is bad for the people? He is doing what the people in his district sent him there to do.

It's insane

>I DEMAND that Mitch McConnell waste hours and hours of the Senate's time, which I and every other American taxpayer are paying for, on bills that have exactly zero chance of becoming law!
>Congress is getting far too much done! I demand they do LESS!
>not wasting the Senate's time is an ATTACK on our precious DEMOCRACY! somehow!

>voting for someone to spend your money for you
You will pay more taxes and get shit you could have gotten cheaper if you had bought it yourself. Enjoy your fucking bread lines if you vote this beta bitch into office.

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No, he can't. Will get shot down by supreme Court.

Stop pretending to be retarded. Large corporations spend their money on huge CEO pay and lobbying to keep the border open so they can make labor worth even less. While coaching their employees on how to get food stamps like walmart does lmao.

There is vast excess in business and it's not to your benefit. The only reason to play dumb and pretend not to see that is if you think it'll be you benefiting from it someday(you won't, they are destroying your country's economy on purpose while you defend them.)

It's not capitalism vs communism either, it's nationalism versus globalism

They did pay it back.

no such thing as free anything

The automotive industry paid theirs back. Wall street just printed more money(while simultaneously working to destroy America's economy further on purpose.)

I'm a moron and don't read.

And globalism is the new name the Jews came up with for communism, so as to fool the masses that don't have enough intelligence to research on their own.

Yes it is insane.

this argument is retarded

public healthcare vs private helathcare, the same people pay, the difference whether you have any power to negotiate vs the international medical cartel

Capitalist "free trade", hyper-individualism, anti-tribalism, open borders, anything that destroys nations' ability to unite and pursue their own people's interests is also globalism.

In my bracket, I would be paying $800 less per year than I am paying for healthcare, and currently my plan has a high deductible and doesn't even offer significant amounts for medical emergencies, and it's no dental, vision, hearing, or psychologist included like it'd be if we had an actual healthcare system instead of a privatized cult.

Personally I'd gladly pay my taxes if the system was actually functional, so that people had more safety nets. As it is, all our taxes is going to jack shit while they continue to cut social security and we have the worst infrastructure in the 1st world.

I have a job. I get paid well. Company makes tons of money. Don't give a fuck as long as I get paid. P.S. have stock options.
You should try it user. Life's good.

My point is that it all pushed by the Jews to destroy national cohesion.

>huge corporations shave every penny and extract every ounce of profit possible
>blow pointless millions on CEO pay when I guess someone could do that job for McDonald's money

lmao how do people not see the contradiction there

There is vast excess in business -- pointless conferences that are just vacations in disguise are the big one. When it comes to wages, there isn't, unfortunately.

Your paycheck is an almost exactly fair value of the services you provide and the difficulty of replacing you. If you're stocking shelves at Wal-Mart, you are providing very little value and someone on their first day can replace you, and a fair paycheck will reflect this unfortunate reality. Sadly, the cost of living has increased to the point where a low-tier Wal-Mart worker needs food stamps to live.

You can force Wal-Mart to pay Johnny Stockboy a living wage, but that does not make the actual value of Johnny's services any greater. It just makes him overpaid, so the company then has to cut hours and hire fewer people. It's good for Johnny, but it means someone else isn't getting hired, which disproportionately hurts young workers with little experience.

The best fix, as you're saying, is to tighten the labor market by not importing so much cheap labor. Thus, the difficulty of replacing any given worker rises, organically increasing their paycheck.

>yfw you realize better results could be achieved by just forcing hospitals to publish their prices, instead of the voodoo magic they come up with that results in $3,500 aspirins, that insurance has to pay for

You guys really are complex. First you want Obama to have the credit for saving the world with his bailouts , then complain that it was a waste if money.
I think it was the biggest con the world has ever seen.

What are you talking about. Bush didnt get a 2nd term? You have no clue what youe talking about

You left out the part where Walmart just raise prices to offset the extra labor cost so it doesn't benefit Johnny or anyone else.

Where is this bracket? Post a link.

Obama is being investigated right now for money laundering with our tax dollars.

True, but traditionally they just cut hours and hire fewer people, like we saw in 2009-13, and that is brutal on teenagers. Youth unemployment was massive back then, because why hire some teenager with zero record or experience when you can hire a 30-year-old with references?

Same deal when you hike the minimum wage high above the objective value of an employee's services. High unemployment and high minimum wages both are both terrible for youth employment.

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Why not? Trump declared a national emergengy on a concrete wall. Why would any president hold back on anything they think is important?

you already can get free healthcare dummy

I've worked for some if the largest manufacturing companies in the country. There is a big difference between good ceos and bad ones. Look up who killed Motorola. Bad ceo made bad decisions.

You are probably eligible already. If you weren't so stoned all the time you would have known this and signed up already. I get hella good healthcare for free

each persons labor holds only as much value as someone is willing to pay for it. Theres no “I should be making..” statements that are valid. If you should be making six figures but you aren’t, then you shouldn’t be making that amount

Note - I’m agreeing with you. I think

>Trump declared a national emergengy
>yfw you find out that Presidents have been declaring national emergencies over every retarded thing since 1947

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_emergencies_in_the_United_States

Obama declared 13 national emergencies, 11 are still going

My favorite was one of Bush's, to freeze the property of some guy in Zimbabwe

This is true. What I was looking at was what happened in Seattle when they raised the minimum wage. Small businesses couldn't sell their products at the higher price they had to charge, so many had to close. It affected restaurants heaviest, which also hurts youth most.

That's pretty much exactly what I meant. A paycheck is an entirely accurate and mercilessly fair assessment of the value of the services you provide to others, and the difficulty of replacing you.

Word

I'm going to be honest with you OP. Bernie is by far the better choice for the country as a whole. But, the plebs do not run this country, and the people who do will not benefit from his policies.

I'm currently in the 1% tax bracket, and I can tell you personally, that we know this. Most republicans and "conservatives" will tell you to pull yourself up by your bootstraps, etc etc, when most of them have inherited their fortune and positions.

The democratic elite don't want higher taxes, they will fight bernie til the end. Trump will win, not because he's a good president, but because the people who rule this country don't want bernie to win. The lower class republicans are just indoctrinated, as are the lower class democrats, it's all a two-party totalitarianism power sustainment program.

The best thing you can do in this country is to stop focusing on red and blue, and start focusing on green. In the end, the only thing that matters in a capitalistic economy is green, red and blue are distractions used to divide and conquer, and by conquer I mean sustain, becuase you already are conquered.

I do believe bernie really cares about the people as a whole though, which is sad because in a just and good world he would win. But just and good do not dictate this world.

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It really wouldn't. Too many shit people would get in on the system like niggers that we don't need. If we tax fat and unhealthy people a shit ton more for healthcare I would be on board for making it public, but until that happens fuck them. Insurance isn't even the issue, it's the medical cartel board that limits the number of new doctors and then forces us to get some diversity hires overseas like india who do a shit job

Just came here to say this is bullshit. I've known 2 cancer survivors that whent through the Canadian system. Critical patients are prioritized. Jackasses like you wait in line for stupid shit like "my hair hurts".

In summation I do hope you get the big C.

cringe jewish homosexual manlet that sucks nigger dicks and into being tied up, say hello to him

discord tag is rareRyno#8903

>That's more than $20k he's made me,
>he's made me

Sure buddy

>Because those guys do not understand the basic concepts of economics
>Thinks the president is solely responsible for the economy and "made you" $20k

I think you need to turn off the news and go read some real economic books user.

>stop noticing things!
>let me, a stranger on the internet, tell you how your life's gone these last three years!

You guys are going to get destroyed in November lmao

Yeah. Except your bracket isn’t gonna stay the same home boi.
They gotta up those rates to pay the bill bud.

>You guys are going to get destroyed in November lmao
>Thinks I care about whos in charge lul
Meh, you can have your "muh team" and be divided and conquered all you want faggot. I'm a patriot and I want what's best for our country, I don't do partisan cuckary. I can give a shit less who is in the office if they're in the major two parties, same shit will get done as always. Individualists will win, while patriots and the country loses. China wins ultimately because they are nationalistic, the US has become a bullshit partisan "I got my team and mine" ideology that will cause it to lose.

>this weak ass blackpill attempt
>meanwhile everything's great at home, China's about to 1989 off the world stage, the Democrats are having their own Trump moment with Bernie, and globalist corporate slave centrists are getting their asses handed to them all over the globe

Face it, 2016 was a turning point in Western civilization, and things are looking great for the average human

United we stand divided we fall. You're not wrong user, we've become what the founding fathers didn't want us to, divided. Even though we're a constitutional republic, we should all still be on the same team. We truly are fucked if people think like

you will not. you can vote for him all you want. He isn't gonna win. all you get is a stabbed conscience, no handouts, and another four years.

>got laughed at
>now Boomerposting to himself

lmao

Lol, no need to fabricate reality user, you obviously don't live in this one. Your conditioning is showing.

Ok bro, I'm totally delusional, no need to reply to me any more then :^)

Say hi to David Brock for me

You sound like a boomer way more than me lol, partisan cuck.

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Admitting it is the first step to recovery.

No I think we were just pointing out how idiotic of a statement that is. Both statements he (hopefully it was you) made are just hilariously misguided.

> Current president dun' made me 20k on my 401
> not realizing this number goes up and down based on economy
> being this brainless

I'm shocked trump supporters can even drive a car and make it to the voting booths

Forgot to add
> Doesn't mention this has been going up for the last 12 years

If you base who you vote on based on the economy you are a fucking idiot. The economy goes up and down. Does not matter who is president. What matters is how it is handled. Obama handled it with a stimulus package. Trump handled it with massive tax cut stimulus. Bush didn't handle it. Twice.

>China's about to 1989 off the world stage
China's about to annex Africa via debt and have some glorious untapped resources. Their single-party authoritarianism allows them to move way faster than our split up "democracy". They're already stealing companies from us, and controlling the ones we have here via censorship. That alone shows how powerful they are becoming.

>Democrats are having their own Trump moment with Bernie
Agree here, which is why Bernie could very well win.

>and globalist corporate slave centrists are getting their asses handed to them all over the globe
This is where you make no fucking sense lol. What the fuck is a globalist corporate slave centrist? You sound retarded.

lmao oh my god, you've finally given up on "w-w-w-well the stock market isn't the economy, only the 1% have stocks D:" to outright denying it's even happening at all

You poor fuckers

>I learned how to inspect element!

lmao

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>tfw i could get free tuition if he wins
Americans pls do the needful

Yes, the healthcare system will be updated to cover everyone however, the first few months will be backed up from pic related abusing the hell out of it.

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>figuring out to actually use insurance is too hard
>i don't think you know what you're talking about

nice self-own.

I'm not the person you are talking about.

Yes. That's the point. We can afford to keep people healthy and sane. You can't work if you're sick. Getting a job is another priority, but universal health care is universal. Period.

Billionaires should be hunted for the food and clothing they can provide.

>Their single-party authoritarianism allows them to move way faster than our split up "democracy".

See, I'm old enough to remember the 80s, when your kind was saying exactly the same thing about the USSR, and then kapoof. Turns out, dictatorships lie about everything, including and especially if they're falling apart internally!

>Agree here, which is why Bernie could very well win.

Nah. They'll have a brokered convention and Bernie will get screwed, probably for Buttigieg. The DNC would rather lose to Trump than lose to Bernie.

>What the fuck is a globalist corporate slave centrist?

You don't know what centrists are? See: Most of both parties in Washington. Macron's a fine example too. Employees of huge international capital.

lel this

>I don't understand how health insurance works and I can't figure it out
>put people like me in charge of health insurance

A wise strategy

>See, I'm old enough to remember the 80s, when your kind was saying exactly the same thing about the USSR, and then kapoof. Turns out, dictatorships lie about everything, including and especially if they're falling apart internally!

So you're actually comparing the 80s to now? Even though technology has made things way more transparent.. the chinese could barely keep the coronavirus secret for a week lol. You really are a boomer.

>Nah. They'll have a brokered convention and Bernie will get screwed, probably for Buttigieg. The DNC would rather lose to Trump than lose to Bernie.
Meh, we'll see, seems like the population en masse likes Bernie more than any other candidate, especially orange used car salesman.

>You don't know what centrists are?
A centrist is someone who doesn't classify as "left" or "right", and usually dictate voting decisions on logic as opposed to emotions like partisans often do. Globalists are a totally different thing, they are people who want the world to converge under a single power. You basically smashed a whole bunch of words together like a retard and literally sounded like a retard.

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>I learned how to inspect element!
>trying to prove he's a samefag instead of arguing the point
You're way too emotional to be having a logical discussion user, stop taking the estrogen pills.

this is probably why we will fail

Also nonpartisan answer:
No. Healthcare will fail, dumbass

if you vote for him nothing will happen. trump's out here running every game from bottom to top. we got the best economy we've ever had. now get rich or get out faggot.

Just as long as he artificially keeps those fed interest rates low, we good!

>So you're actually comparing the 80s to now? Even though technology has made things way more transparent.. the chinese could barely keep the coronavirus secret for a week lol.

And yet you believe that imaginary superpower, with its concrete made out of newspaper and ghost cities, is actually a threat? Good Lord. They can't even build a 1970s-era jet engine that works properly. And that's not even getting into the hilarious consequences of the One Child policy, which is just starting to kick in and is going to leave them with 2-3 elderly for every working citizen. The solution for that is going to be hilarious.

>Meh, we'll see, seems like the population en masse likes Bernie more than any other candidate, especially orange used car salesman.

It is adorable that you think that has anything to do with anything, or in fact that the vote totals the DNC are reporting have anything to do with reality. He probably won Iowa and NH both by 70%. But, hold him around 30%, and then you get a nice brokered convention where Bernie finally "wins" but Buttigieg or Klobuchar becomes the nominee with 55% of the delegates

>and usually dictate voting decisions on logic as opposed to emotions like partisans often do.

lmfao adorable

"centrists" within political parties, that is centrist politicians, are corporate employees. Buttgieg is a centrist, Paul Ryan was a centrists. "Moderates," the corporate press likes to call them, to imply by omission that guys like Bernie and Trump are "radicals"

>artificially keeps those fed interest rates low, we good!

lmao compare the prime rate here to the one in Germany

then let's talk about who's got artificially low rates

even if its fake, who cares? get out there and get while the getting's good. stop sitting around whining about your fee fees and how sad you are about being poor. the doors are wide open for you and you don't want to take a step because you'd rather have the freebies over the freedom.

Just stating facts lol, when that fed interest rate starts to go up, I'm gonna cash out huge. Already banked almost half a mil thanks to testla and amazon. If you want to give trump credit for that or compare another country's economy to ours, that's cool lol.

Wow, the assumptions you make totally make an ass out of you lol. Jesus, go outside dude, you sound like you're going to off yourself. If I ever get to the point of negativity you're at, I'd blow my brains out.

wtf are you talking about? im not going to off myself, i'm not a libtard.

>when that fed interest rate starts to go up,

lel you've got at least another 18 months. Thanks to the Germans leading the way, I'm not even going to slightly worry until I see us approaching negative rates

But you have to be deliberately delusional to not understand that the Trump tax cuts plus his chainsawing of the federal register plus his constant pressure on Powell to keep interest rates low has produced a stock market boom.

>And yet you believe that imaginary superpower

Tell that to blizzard or the NBA boomer. Who owns 13% of our debt again? Who's manufacturing all of ours shit and making trillions on it because boomers like you sent over all of our jobs? Yeaaaaa you're delusional alright lol.

>It is adorable that you think that has anything to do with anything
And it's pathetic you armchair shit you don't know on an anime board lol, remember how they thought trump wouldn't win? It's all up in the air unless we are truly fully corrupt in both parties.

>"centrists" within political parties, that is centrist politicians, are corporate employees
You mean via lobbying? If that's the case, then even trump is a "centrist" who owes his campaign backers just like any other politician. You think betsy devos deserves her position? lolol

It's getting late boomer, time for bed, and by that I mean you don't have much longer.

I don't give a shit what you classify yourself as lol, you jumped the gun and thought I was poor or whining or some shit, again, if I was that negative of a faggot to just assume shit, I'd off myself. So you can be what ever you want, I just wouldn't want to be it lmao. Toxic af.

we'll make sure we take you to bed with us. like the good daddies we are.

It's obvious you tried. I hope you guys don't REALLY belive in hell lol. Oh well, a few more years and it's ours I guess, gotta clean it up.

chlorine is toxic to bacteria, but it makes the pool sparkling clean.

>If you think the corporate whores in Congress would pass one single item of the rest of his agenda, you're dreaming.

NOT HIM, US

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Cyanide would clean you up. Much like chemo kills off cancer.

lol we'll get the nukes launched as our parting gift to you all.

sounds like a death threat chief. might want to have the fbi check out this thread.

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>muh Chinese Dragon
>13%!
>2009: the post

Good Lord man, there was some excuse for being this retarded back then, but it's just embarrassing now that the ridiculousness of the Chinese situation's been exposed.

>remember how they thought trump wouldn't win? It's all up in the air unless we are truly fully corrupt in both parties.

I do. I also remember how the RNC left Trump completely hanging out to dry, refused to fundraise for him, and his campaign went on with about $225 million, which was the lowest amount since Al Gore. And they disavowed him every time there was some controversy.

However, the RNC doesn't rig its primaries like the DNC does, and they were helpless to stop Trump. The DNC now controls the vote counting in every primary and caucus through their little app. It's going to give Bernie lots of 2%-5% "wins" against a crowded field where he's probably actually getting twice as many votes. And then they will install their preferred candidate at the convention, like they always have since 1968.

>You mean via lobbying?

I guess that is a part of it -- look, if you don't understand that the "moderates" of every party are literal corporate employees, you don't understand the basic idea of our political system.

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They're already screwing him bro, I guarantee he won Iowa and NH by 70%

But the handy DNC app for counting all those pesky votes is going to hold him around 30%, so they can install Buttigieg or Klobuchar at the convention. They'd rather control the Democratic Party and have Trump in power than let the people take over.

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roleplaying again i see. nobody does that, you just wish they did.

nobody was talking to him anyway, then your dumbass showed up

funny how that works. sorry your jobs are so easy that we can replace you with machines and make profits skyrocket.

speaking of nobody talking to him...

>conservatards
>actually shows real median hourly compensation goes up more during Republican than Democratic administrations, with the exception of Clinton's second term

DO IT m8, I'm begging for it.
I know the true reasoning behind min wage increase, conservatards and cuckocrats are just puppets being used to throw rocks around

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This is grossly misleading. Most people's total health care spending will go down substantially (including increase in tax burdens) under a Medicare 4 All proposal.

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hows it feel to know youre so worthless that the wage youre being paid would be lower if they could legally pay you less?

did trump say that haha good good

left cant meme.

You're doing that thing where you pretend to be better than the person you disagree with

nobody asked for your worthless pinko opinion

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who's pretending?

pinkos are the ones creating an environment that encourages undesirables to come to this country.

If jobs were hard to get because wages are too high...

>hurr let's bring negroes and mexicos here to do our slave labor and pay them shit
>muh business relies on it!

you're the pinko

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>free enterprise
>no government interference
>minimal taxes
>no welfare state
>no nanny state
>rewarding success more than pitying failure
>doing whatever it takes to win
>accepting nothing less than success

yeah, i can see how that's a communist mindset. got me there didn't you? why don't you go back to /fidgetspinner/?

No probably not, get a job faggot

>hahah i only understand binary political view points
min wage increase would end most diversity quota jobs, most mexicants would go back to mexico.

People who defend min wage low are because they degrade cultural values with negroes and mexicants and they want to continue that exploitation.

You can't defend 15 an hour to a mex/blax/teen

Republicans fillibusterd and fillibustered that damn thing, and under bush they set things up so that you have to pass with a "super majority" to do anything useful.

You already qualify for free medical care through Medicaid, you moron. All you have to do is apply for it.

Pff, boomers couldn't even get their dick hard without a blue pill, you definitely won't get a nuke up. Have fun in hell though.

Yea, totally, pretty sure the fbi would be more inclined to check out 's idea of genocide over convincing someone who's toxic to better the world by ending it lol. Cool story though.

true, people who complain about american healthcare are just virtue signaling, they don't understand what's actually going on.

Considering we literally baby sit a quarter of the nation through our taxes.

>That's more than $20k he's made me, even before the raises, bonus, and promotion I've received since the economy kicked into high gear. And I am barely median income.
AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

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not him, but the feds don't care enough, they know most of the people here are teens, plus it's deep in the realm of obvious joke/satire.

Neither of you know what you're talking about, just angry piss babies probably.

you fucking trumpers are the biggest fucking snowflakes

get a hide

Get your logic, common sense, and rational thinking the fuck out of here faggot. This is an emotional thinking trumptard thread.

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faggot can't cum

lul i like you

if you vote for him weed will be legal on day 1.

He is the only candidate who promised to do that, and he doesn't need congress for it.

Trump is literally going to make me rich. But the dollar will be devalued heavily with runaway inflation but I'll actually be a millionaire.

Yea, I was joking, boomers definitely tried to destroy the planet, but like in life, they won't succeed. Also, go fuck yourself for not comprehending my satire.

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What are you trying to say?
I don't get it.
Your personal anecdote?

Hey I live in a van too. But I have a full time job and do it by choice. Get rekt loser

and we could pay off the what, 20 trillion dollar deficit?

I was just improvising off your comment. Bill Murray does it way better.

>Trump is literally going to make me rich.
Imagine praising a used car salesman, who's admitted to only caring about his own personal gain, used tax loopholes, trademarks in china etc, so much, that you've convinced yourself that he's the sole reason you will become a LARP millionaire.

>But the dollar will be devalued heavily with runaway inflation but I'll actually be a millionaire.
Now imagine being such an armchair economic PhD that you pretend to know that the dollar will hyperinflate and soon.

Dude, you need to get the fuck off Cred Forums and go outside. No one believes your retarded bullshit.

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lul, getting this mad over a William Taft Murray copy pasta

You got b8d

Shit, I thought he was actually retarded. Goddamn it, you got me.

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Trump declared bankruptcy 6 times. That we know of. He still won't release his tax returns which is ILLEGAL btw.
Do really you think he knows how to steer the American Economy?

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do you have any dbz porn?

Banned underage bush the first u fggt

yes

Green. Gonna have to agree with you. Smoke weed, stay happy. Stockpile resources and pass them on to your next generations in hopes that they are able to afford into utopia 100 years from now.

Ol' Salt Water Taft. Good man.

good good pyotr they will never know

illegal how? lets see yours faggot.

I mean, it's a start.

First, legal weed. We save all the money spent incarcerating people for weed. Then we save all the court costs, police enforcement, drug testing, et cetera.

Second, you create jobs as new weed business opens.

Third, you generate revenue through taxation of that product.

All of that is gravy for the government AND for you.

>Do really you think he knows how to steer the American Economy?
Well, if you artificially stop the fed from raising interest rates, that'll do it.. so he can definitely manipulate the economy for a period of time. Also, he's not just one person, he has a cabinet.. er well the people who didn't go to jail for being criminals, working for and around him. He's basically a pr figurehead.

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Q: Would you like me to smack you?
>Yes

>bankruptcy 6 times
Chapter 7 (business) != Chapter 11 (personal). Out of 103 businesses, that's pretty good.

>He still won't release his tax returns which is ILLEGAL btw

It's not illegal though. there is no statute or law regarding public servants and the need to release personal financial information.

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What year? I have an '82

violent leftists

Damn right, fuck red and blue, all about capital. Get that fucking money and stop worrying about which part of the two party totalitarianism is pretending to run shit.

Nope

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If I tried to withhold my taxes after numerous request from the Federal Government to release them? I'd go to prison.
I don't have Trump's lawyers.

>if he thinks trump is a retard he's a leftist
If you think everyone is a leftist who isn't a trumptard, then you're retarded. I don't think you have the IQ to comprehend how the spectrum works user.

how do you withhold your federal tax return documents from the federal government you file them with? is 8th grade on vacation this week?

Trump is not a figurehead, as he's clearly wielded power whether it's legal or not. He's currently bullying the Fed Chairman to keep rates where they are and could make their lives a living hell if they pulled rank.
He also picked a bunch of robber barons in his Cabinet that are already implementing shit policies that will have an effect on everything, including the economy.

Didn't say it was illegal. Said it was ultimately stupid, and ill-advised to allow anyone with that kind of history near the Treasury.

But the markets up now! So who cares about the future! Thos cabinet members have heavy influence on old alzheimer orange, can't deny that.

Under a 1924 federal tax law, § 6103 of title 26 of the United States Code, Congress may request copies of anyone's tax returns. The treasury secretary is legally obliged to provide the tax returns, and there is no apparent legal mechanism to deny Congress's request.

Specifically the law states

>Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary SHALL FURNISH such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.

But you know, fuck the law apparently.

Go on. Keep defending the fucking crook. He's admitted it.

>So who cares about the future!
The Republican Party in a nutshell

as did the previous over the skinny negrolord. so what?

>those fucking mspaint lines

>I don't think you have the IQ to comprehend how the spectrum works user.
YOU GOTTA BE ON A TEAM THO user, YOU NEED TO BE ON A TEEEEEEEEEEAM OR IT"S TOO HARD FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND!!!!

Don't you get it? I need to group because seeing people as individuals is hard. It' goes against my years of conditioning and indoctrination into placing everyone into two fucking groups. Fuck, I should just fucking kill myself for being a fucking retard.

which is under review by appellate court. no single committee has unchecked authority over another branch. probably should have included that in your "the law" nonsense.

>and it's undeniable he's done a great job with the economy.

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>Both are wrong, so it's alright
How's life being a retarded faggot?

he's admitted what? to filing annual personal tax returns with the federal agency you claim he is withholding from?

>It' goes against my years of conditioning and indoctrination into placing everyone into two fucking groups
... uh fine.. i'm a classical liberal? wow..

literally the purpose of cabinet level advisors.

>durr trump dindu nuffin
>the dumbocrats did it
lol you trumpers should be fed your own shit for at least a year

Almost like a market on a map, but ms paint has more class