Bernie Sanders is going to be our President

Life span for American male is 72.3 years. BS is 78.2 years. He simply won't make it to January 2021. It's science.

If he doesn't actually win, I'm going to whine like a bitch on social media everyday saying he's not my president

good

not mine

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Not unless people get their shit together and vote like they've never voted before. They're already trying to cheat him out of the primary.

hell yeah

They aren't trying hard enough because he's the clear front runner at this point. Biden is no Clinton

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imagine being this naive. do you really think the clintons would ever allow this?

Would you seriously just stfu. The Clintons aren't the all powerful spectre else we'd have madame president right now. They aren't even a variable in this case

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Republicans and Right leaning dems are super angry people like Bernie.
Why is it so "radical" for people to have free healthcare or free schooling or idk try and save the planet by going green energy.
Literally Day 1 Bernie is going to executive order Legalize Marijuana. Tons of money will come into the communities because of it.
He is going to tax the stock market (which isnt taxed btw) to pay for the majority of everything he is going to do and take money away from people like Jeff Bezos.
Fuck em

These activities would give Bernie a heart attack.. oh.. wait..

sure... keep thinking that. is this wasn't an anonymous image board I'd tell you to come back to me in november when hillary is the nominee, but who cares. enjoy being spit roasted by the kochs

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How can someone that isn't even running a campaign be the nominee? JFC

At this point, I want Trump to lose just to bruise his ego. Help me put aside my feelings fellow anons and do the right thing!

Or people could just vote Trump and get less healthcare and less other good stuff in favors of more money in the rich people pockets.

I'm afraid people will be stupid enough to to the latter. Cuz american dream, lulz.

As a European I must say I wish we had a candidate like him.

I honestly don't care because whoever wins it's going to be a shitshow to remember. So much seething. If it's Bernie then all the redhats are going to seethe and Trump's hair will catch on fire and if Trump wins then the lefties head's will explode. YOU CANNOT LOSE!

>As a European

Stopped reading right there

tbh i think he is worth a shot. you guys pivot between shit and very shit every 8 years. you patch and patch and patch and patch shit that you know doesnt work rather than go balls to the wall and fix things.

your healthcare system is a fucking joke for example. it isnt "socialism" to have a system like the NHS. Sure the fucking idiots who refuse to pay for insurance now will bitch and moan about being made to pay a government tax but for fuck sake like 99.9% of the country will have some kind of coverage which means healthier people and it will bring prices more in line with the rest of the world. so many dumb americans just dont understand how having a central medical system just fucking works better than the bullshit you guys have right now.

as for the rest of the shit bernie says who fucking cares. trump said he would build a wall and mexico would pay and couldnt deliver on that, bernie wont be able to deliver on half the shit he says either. but at least that fucker isnt like the same old shit you keep electing. people act like trump is something fresh but he is just another Bush although dumber. obama wasnt anything special other than the fact dude was black but like who fucking cares. he wasnt any better or worse than any other president overall.

I gotta say, it's actually nice to see a Jew take a stand against Isreal. When I saw how much aid Trump is giving to isreal I knew right then he wasn't getting my fucking vote again.

TDS

just wait and see. when bernie wins the nomination, they're going to epstein him. the DNC will panic because "omg... our nominee just totally absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt suicided himself, and that what's happened and nothing else". they're going to "scramble" for a new nominee and 5 days later hillary will be nominated by acclamation because she's the best candidate, by who the fuck knows what metric

More votes have been distributed to centrists than leftists so far

Trump is blowing Bibi's dick while Sanders is ready to give the Jews in Israel another circumcision about 2 inches further down.

No way that Bernie "Commie" Sanders is getting elected.

as in tax deducted at source? yes that is how it should work. something like the UKs National Insurance system. Free at point of service. No worrying about ambulance fees, capped prescription charges (or no charges, look at Wales and Scotland or people with chronic illness).

Seriously America is more than 50 years behind the rest of the world with healthcare.

TRUMP DISCORD
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MAGA
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Stock market does get taxed dumbass. Everything else you said is equally stupid.

Didn't you guys say the same thing about Obama who, by every metric, ran as a milquetoast center-right neoliberal technocrat (gloated about how he would have been a moderate Republican in the 80s with his positions) but was railed against as being a commie?

A loser who never worked a day in his life? You can have him.

Ok I'll wait and see. I'll be sure to screencap all this and repost it in November

I will vote for Bernie so I can get free gender reassignment surgery with my free healthcare. Mom won't pay the deductable for it.

Checked
They also said that McCarthyism would never come back, but everything has taken such a big step backward. Most people will not want the "Voted for a commie" on their record.

Too bad he's not a commie and he has the largest support of the independent vote vs literally anyone else in the race and is getting more donors and donations from obama-trump counties than any other candidate and has more donors and donations from active military members than any other candidate in the race and most of his policies are popular (as in 55+% support them) and even when Fox News tries to corner him in that town hall only to have the audience side with him overwhelmingly.

No. He is going to lose against Bloomberg. Sorry old commie Bernie.

K

Unfortunately, you faggots are making me vote for the orange haired neophyte piece of trash. I hate Republicans. I hate Democrats. I hate anyone that picks a side cause they're a fucking retarded puppet, and that's why corporations make so much money. But you fuckers are trying to fuck with gun rights. The only reason we have anything close to "Freedom." So congrats. Your inability to be responsbile for your own saftey even though cops are not (Warren v Columbia) has turned me into a fucking red voter.

I guess that's also why his voter turn-out has dropped 50% compared to 2016 and Trump's has increased 30+%.

Hope he has a good VP to take over after his next heart attack

>Too bad he's not a commie
You are not cut out for what is coming

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Here we go again with the "they gonna take away my guns" argument

To the gulag with you

is he flying away to heaven? lmao

You are not going to have some old jew save you and get your "deserved" 15 an hour that you can never achieve on your own.

Vote Vermin Supreme then

Nothing left to do but sit back and watch it all burn, eh?

>Too bad he's not a commie

Oh yes. Yes he is.
I hope he is elected and brings neets like you to the gulags.

Sounds fair... just a warning though

Joke on you, I grew up in Ukraine, Sanders is not bad like old CCCP

Got any proof for either of those claims?

Except the butt pirate is leading. Popular vote doesn't mean anything in DNC.

You still do not get it and the fact that you are not from the USA explains why. The fact that you are replying explains why the commie thing will work against him

That was only in Iowa. Sanders has New Hampshire now too

Judge not least your Booty be judged

Nah I just want to see smug sonsabitches put in their place. Last time it was the libtards, maybe this time it'll be the republicucks. Either way it will be business as usual and not be armegeddon like both sides claim when they don't win.

22 Buttigieg
21 Sanders
8 Warren
7 Klobuchar
6 Biden

source: NPR
Bernie still losing.

I'm torn between watching liberals throw their hissy fits another four years with trump or watching the extreme right fucks commiting sudoku at the thought of gay sex in the Lincoln bedroom.

Agree, will just be another shitty day of making my way for me

Basically Trump but older

Like I said if you aren't drawn into the identity politics you cannot lose. This election cycle is going to be fucking glorious kek

Corbyn ...........

thats works well then

The latest in the world of the libral `` why do the governement think its ok to return serious criminals to the country of there birth ``

seriously !!!!

Grew up in Bucha Ukraine until 94 when I turned 16 and my father got a job in Portland Oregon. Live in Washington now. At work so no pictures of me river jumping in Dnieper River.
No I get it. Sanders is doing well with youth and poor and blacks now, those people love what he says now that he won Iowa and new Hampshire and people say he will win Nevada and Biden might lose South Carolina then because he is like old phone with buttons while Sanders is like new phone with touch screen.

Trump "populism":
> here's a thousand bucks at most extra on your tax return
> billion dollar giveaways to corporations
> talks about lowering prescription drug prices but never does it
> waste billions on a southern border wall when border crossings only account for a small percentage of illegal immigration

Bernie populism:
> Single payer healthcare like every other civilized country, taking a huge burden off of small business owner's who can't afford to insure their employees
> Free tuition like every decent European country
> $15/hr minimum wage so workers can get their fair share of the profits
> real action on climate change

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The right's info on Bernie ie 99% learned through facebook memes. If they ever sat down and listened to him explain things, they'd possibly wake the fuck up. They've been taught to think that the things Bernie talks about is something impossible to achieve without all of us living in bread lines.

They also believe that Bernie is "rich". Holy fuck. That right there tells you they're living in a fucking trailer park worrying about Bernie coming for their $$.

haha OP IS DELUSIONAL
trump 2020

Trump: status quo. Not that bad.
Sanders: throw it all away on a crap shoot that some fucking life long loser can make anything better.

good

He's not even going to be the nominee.

well he is a multimillionaire with 3 houses, paid for with nothing but elected office since 1981. literally the definition of the "1%" he complains about. so there's that.

Thank god

>$15/hr minimum wage
And there you go.
Stop being pathetic and thinking some old jew is going to save you from yourself and get you a well "deserved" 15 an hour that you never, ever will achieve on your own.

>The right's info on Bernie ie 99% learned through facebook memes

Huurrrrr durrrrrrr

Stop typing, you're too fucking stupid to breathe so stop doing so.

if Hillary was in this, no biden. so lets thank god for at least that! now...4 more years!!

We know what Bernie says. We know what independent sources say his programs will cost. We know he is a hypocrite. He has told us our taxes will go up. He has told us he wants to illiminate ice. He has told us he wants to give free healthcare go illegals. He has told us he wants free college. He has told us he wants college loans forgiveness. He has told us he will tax the stock market more (our 401ks). But you bernbois keep trying to convince us that we can have all this stuff and save 12 grand a year.

Not much of a crap shoot. Just common sense social policies that every capitalist democracy in Europe already has. The overton window in American politics is just so far to the right that we can't imagine an existence other than toiling for chump change, having medical debt and tuition piled on us, and retiring for a couple years if you're lucky. Otherwise enjoy being a Wal-mart greeter. The richest country on earth doesn't need to have this kind of austerity.

I already make more than minimum wage, friend. I just realize that other people being brought up doesn't bring me down.

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But his wife had that one job. You know, where she financially ruined that college with that shady land deal.

Out of the frying pan and into the fire ...

>illiminate
You might want to look into that free education program

Honestly why do you guys even care. Don't you have your own country

Taxes go up, healthcare costs go down more than enough to cover that. How much comes out of your paycheck each pay period for insurance? How much do you usually pay in a year outside of that for healthcare?

bernie sanders' wife is harry reid?

You mean the deal that was perfectly legal and was lobbed against the Sanders by the Trump campaign co-chair for Vermont (that being his 3rd complaint about the Sanders family) and the FBI (not what I would call pro-socialists by any means) cleared them saying everything was on the up and up?

whats the source on the pic? phenomenal ass

All your pipe dreams aside, Bernie is not the man to bring you there. He has been in Congress over 20 years and his big accomplishments are getting roads and post offices renamed. He is a worthless loser in life. He has accomplished nothing. His plans fall apart when you do the math. Listen kid, I would love good cheep healthcare . I would also like to know exactly what it will cost me as well as his much it will increase national debt. I'm not in favor of open borders or any personal loan forgiveness except medical expenses. Bernie is not for me.

No clue bro, I think I found it on Cred Forums.

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Look up "Amendment King"

Only people whom vote for soviet sanders. are 20 year olds that don't understand where the taxes come from.

almost like the deal with a foreign leader to carry out the instructions of a contract written by the same people who accused the leader of this country of committing treason.

Inshallah

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Don't need it Satan. EE degree, doing fine. Take up your spelling errors with Google spell check.

No he's not you commie bastard

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>EE degree
sure thing, bud. and I'm a 5000yo loli from heaven

Show me the proof . And still you guys want to just focus on one of the many expensive Bernie plans. How much will it cost me to send some dumbass to college for free so he , sorry, xe can study Bolivian dance for four years while smoking pot? How about open borders ? How many illegals will run over here for free cancer treatment? Free college? How much will that cost me. How much will my investments tank with all Bernie's new taxes on stocks?

>well he is a multimillionaire with 3 houses, paid for with nothing but elected office since 1981. literally the definition of the "1%" he complains about. so there's that
Case in point. Yes, the guy has been in politics his entire life. I don't think he ever cracked a million until he wrote a book, and his wife inherited a house in Maine. The fucking guy drives a Chevy Aveo... but you retards believe he's driving an Audi RS8. He has a house in DC... which is essentially a must for a senator. His wife sold the house she inherited in Maine and they bought a camp/vacation house nearby with the $$. Both houses are nothing special. My fucking house is nicer than his.

Sure, he's worth a few million now. (Ok, we'll pretend like that still means something these days..) Has he changed his tune? He doesn't hate wealthy people. That's not his message. His message is that they've been having it way too easy. And guess what. He's right. I should fucking know.
>Huurrrrr durrrrrrr
>Stop typing, you're too fucking stupid to breathe so stop doing so.
Good contribution sport. Anything specific you'd like to discuss?

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>I just realize that other people being brought up doesn't bring me down.

As if they give a fuck about you.

Imagine being such a faggot you think virtual signaling means jack shit here or anywhere else.

Yes, the one that ruined a college due to Sanders incompetence .

In Cuba?

Here are some other pics of the house he owns, nothing to really write about (other than he still has a house in his home state which some senators don't even have). And isn't he still like the poorest guy in the Senate?

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And? Five people cannot be president

So he will get to stand in 3 bread lines?

I can't wait to see all the impotent bernie supporter rage after Bernie gets paid off again to have the nomination passed to some corporatist hack.

you're so right, i'm sure he voluntarily pays much more in income taxes than he is required to do. you can legally pay more, you know. where is his "fair share"?

multimillionaire who pays as little as possible, complains about multimillionaires paying as little as possible, and promises to quadruple the annual federal spending, all by himself, which he totally has zero power to do.

sure, vote for that guy.

features.propublica.org/medical-debt/when-medical-debt-collectors-decide-who-gets-arrested-coffeyville-kansas/

> N-no I love my insurance. It's totally not Stockholm syndrome

lol k

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see

"we have no one that can beat him
our only chance is to impeach him"

-the Democrat party leader ship fall 2019

impeachment failed bitches

Poorest in the senate. Then you admit he's a failure. We know he doesn't give to charity. His money all came from his wife and his book. Sounds like he's real good with money bro. Sounds like just the man to run our economy.

One of the Koch brothers is dead. I know 2016 memes were addicting but you need to taper yourself off brother.

> But you fuckers are trying to fuck with gun rights. The only reason we have anything close to "Freedom."
And the people who aren’t “fucking with gun rights” are the ones currently backing a president who believes himself to be above the law and a senate who will bow to said president no matter what he says. The 2nd amendment is supposed to be a failsafe against this type of behavior and yet conservatives are the ones supporting it. What the fuck is the point?

The successful impeachment of the president and subsequent acquittal on both articles cost the Democrats political capital at the price of doing the right thing.

Trump got himself into this shitstorm getting oppo on Joe Biden who won't even be the nominee LMAO.

Work in healthcare and can confirm. Burn this fucking system down. The actual practitioners aren’t going anywhere but the insurance companies and administrators can get wrecked

Why don't you post a link on his much free college will cost? How much loan forgiveness will cost ? How about a link on how much illegal immigrants cost us every year.

it was all planned by Adam shifts office you know the right?

Yeah but you are still voting for Bernie right?

We tried that. We elected Obama to fix it. What happened? But this time their serious , just trust them?

> This retarded

I like how socialist idiots posting in here think that we need to completely upend the healthcare system because 8% of the population doesn't have health insurance. First of all, at least half that 8% specifically chose not to pay for health insurance. The other half claim they can't afford their premiums. So 4% of the population can't afford their healthcare premiums and your solution is to go with a socialized healthcare system?

Get fucked

>Taking a huge burden off of small businesses that can't afford to pay for healthcare

>Making a $15 minimum wage that only benefits large corporations who can afford it

Kek. There's no consistently here.

The United States will never have an openly socialist piece of shit like that for President.

#Berniebreadlines

#BreadlineBernie

Whatever fits their argument.

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if you do, then you should know full well that federally administered healthcare is even worse. spend one afternoon with ihs. you think private insurance companies and the va are bad?

Do you have any idea how much employers put towards their employee's healthcare? It's like two or three times what comes out of your paycheck usually. That's a substantially heavier burden than increasing to a $15/hr minimum wage, even if you live in a backwards ass red state where people make $7.25 an hour.

this is truly a sad day. thanks anyway

>europe
still jealous

>free college
~60-70 billion per year offset by a Robin Hood tax on Wall Street totaling 50 cents for every 100 dollars in stocks, .1% fee on bonds, .0005% fee on derivatives
>student debt cancellation
1.7 trillion offset by the same Robin Hood taxes which will bring in 2 trillion, enough to pay for both plans
>illegal immigrants
Not really sure what you’re asking here, but making immigration easier leads to more taxpayers. Making it more difficult leads to more illegals paying no income tax

Being one person doing it gets you no where. I'd gladly deal with higher taxes if it's going to be used on the people instead of wars and corporate tax breaks.... but I'm not going to go it alone.

probably not since he's healthier now than before he got stents

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The objections against Obama were he was an almost complete unknown, not all that shit.

>Bernie Sanders is going to be our President
of what?

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that's what i thought. i should do it, but you're not, and neither is he.

>i'll save a picture of two gay men kissing and sucking cock, that'll teach those faggy libs

>I supported Occupy Wall Street
>But now I bend over backwards to find excuses for the 1%
kek

>to find excuses for the 1% to raise their own taxes
yes, we are fine with this

BERNIE IS SO FUCKING OLD AND DECREPID WHY DO RETARD SOCIALISTS THINK HE CAN CHANGE SHIT

>DECREPID
he's 4 years older than trump

No, they would much prefer a neocon/neolib who is equally in favor of socialist programs that only benefit the wealthy as opposed to reinvesting in the middle and working classes. We can bail out Wall Street and the banks, we can spend trillions on endless wars for the sake of subsidizing arms manufactures, and we can push legislation that forces people to purchase private for-profit insurance, but GOD HELP YOU if you want to spend a little on the American people. That would be commie shit

See this is what I don’t get. I’m a supporter of gun rights but I completely do not fucking understand sucking the gun lobbies dick this hard. Voting for trump because of gun rights? You do remember him saying on live tv how he wanted to take away guns after a mass shooting until the NRA paid him enough money to shut up. Bernie is the senator of Vermont which has a large population of hunters and gun enthusiasts and in no way wants to take away guns from Americans. Personally I’m fine with the mentally ill and abusive people not being able to buy new guns but maybe that’s just me and over 80% of this country.

i didnt say SHIT about trump. THEYRE BOTH OLD, JESUS

But it’s cute when trump does it

>keep the poor and hungry where i don't have to see them

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that has to be one of the most economically illiterate statements in the history of the internet. you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about, and your vision of "wall street" is ridiculous.

your idiotic new tax hits literally everyone's 401k. you know, like the guy making hourly, after putting in 10 or 15 years and saving properly now has new liabilities in the hundreds every time the management firm adjusts.

good plan, glad you know how to "tax the wealthy".

The 2016 race was a two person race. 2020 is effectively a 5 person race and Bernie still got over 25% of the vote in both primaries so far. Eat shit math tard.

great so we agree that when bernie wins the general the age problem will be no worse assuming it's a problem at all

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yet he's still losing. weird huh?

Feels someone was hit

maybe over in the barenstein bears universe

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>22 Buttigieg
>21 Sanders
>8 Warren
>7 Klobuchar
>6 Biden

>source: NPR
>Bernie still losing.

if bernie wins the election and america inevitably falls to shit because of "mUH sOCIALISM!1" im blaming stupid bitches like you. things are already bad enough, we don't need an attempt at socialism, OR COMMUNISM, to fuck things up even more.

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> social policies that work with no problem elsewhere
> not even advocating for state ownership of all business

There is no socialist running for 2020. Just a moderate social democrat running as a socialist, lol.

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>that's what i thought. i should do it, but you're not, and neither is he.
All of us that can afford it should be doing it. I'm worth more than Bernie.
>>I supported Occupy Wall Street
>>But now I bend over backwards to find excuses for the 1%
Excuses? No, I just don't see them as villains like you expect/want me to. Again, we don't hate the 1%. They're just doing what 1%'ers do. The system has been rigged to help them way out of proportion to it's fellow man.

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So I would pay more taxes because I did what's right and saved money for my retirement. So I would pay more taxes and get nothing from the loan forgiveness because I was responsible and did something crazy like, paid off my college loans. I would receive nothing because I was responsible and saved money so my kids would bit have to take out huge loans.
Make immigration easier so people will stop breaking the law? How about we uphold the law and remove the incentive for people to break the law. We allow millions to legally come here each year and they are checked out and are welcomed. Illegal immigration is a drain on the economy. Bernie's open borders will result in a mass flood of illegals who can't be vetted. You are fucking delusional if you don't think the drug cartels will not use that to increase their presence here. You are delusional if you don't think they will come here to have babies as well as get some free medical treatment.

>Klobuchar in a solid second place
>Bernie languishing in first

sure you are. why dont you pay your fair share then? you need to pay more, and then in about 6 weeks, that wont be enough. just submit 100% of all your earnings, wealth, and assets. why do you need all that?

>paid off my college loans. I would receive nothing because I was responsible and saved money so my kids would bit have to take out huge loans
For what exactly? Free college?

>keep the poor and hungry where I don't have to see them

sounds like the democratic platform.

They were shoe horning Biden in. Once that didn’t work, they started pushing Pete down our throats.
Like shut the fuck up, you know who we want

>you need to pay more, and then in about 6 weeks, that wont be enough
yes 1 person, especially a mere millionaire, voluntarily paying more does nothing you fucking moron. maybe jeff bezos who has like fifty thousand times more money than bernie that's not an argument against taxing the rich. at. all.

>give people jobs homes and food sounds like ignoring poverty altogether
nah

Bernie or Bust!

I know these guys are dumb but not all Americans are like this. I promise.

>So I have to pay taxes to fund the fire department despite the fact that I went out of my way to have the wiring in my house up to code and I never leave out candles or any other fire hazards? I have never had a need for a fire department or a police department as long as I've been alive! Why am I paying for other people to use services I do not need?

Yes

Warren and friends will stab him in the back soon, Trump will win and the Left will wonder how they could have lost again.

Warren already tried stabbing him in the back and the entire MSM has been firmly against him since the last election. He's still the front-runner

Everyone in the world has this view on us.
We’re brainwashed into thinking the clear best option is “bad because it’s socialism”
And most Americans unfortunately think that.
Education is a clear problem with this country man.

Anyone who identifies as "European" over an actual nation hasn't got an opinion worth listening.

can't wait til conservatives take government health insurance as a given but say we can not handle some other moderate government program like help for small businesses or putting solar panels on your house. that will be unthinkable and beyond the pale
>Warren and friends will stab him in the back soon
>implying the irrelevant snake hasn't already stabbed him in the back which cause her to plummet and him to surge

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>And most Americans unfortunately think that.
not really, medicare for all enjoys majority support

Not a chance, lol.

>petty tribalism is a sign of greater intelligence
>sand people hooting

How is he a commie?
Cause he wants to give us a medical system that works? One that doesn’t cost thousands of dollars for a damn ambulance ride and a few bandaids at the hospital?

Jesus, that's the most assinine argument you guys come up with. Fire Dept is not the same as free college or Loan forgiveness.

Talking about Trump right?

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My dude. I am for every policy you are criticizing. Those are all met positive things.

>healthcare paid for without insurance companies gouging prices and prescription cost regulation reducing the need for emergency care
>The creation of a more generally educated populace maintains the superiority of the American economy and intellectual Capitol. Which after oil collapses we will fucking need if you don’t want to be a wage slave for a China backed economy
>Eliminate the fuck out of ICE because they are inefficient, corrupt, and throwing humanitarian concerns out the window
>Forgiving student loan debt takes the massive home off the necks of a huge portion of the economy freeing up people to invest and but real estate, or start a business, with the added effect of raising the credit score of millions of people.

With a Bernie economy you would have to go out of your way to fuck up your life financially. Not to mention he is the most pro union candidate in the entire field. Look beyond your boomer fear blinders.

he wants the freedom to either pay a tenth of his yearly salary for an ambulance ride or die in his home

See?

Kike Presidents get the rope.

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a, no you're not.

b, you want jeff bezos to liquidate his share of amazon, and any other investments he has to pay cash to a federal general fund. that sounds like an even better plan.

how many 401k plans do you suppose have any stake in amazon? immediately crash a majority share in a trillion dollar value corporation. what about the others? who is a majority holder in facebook? apple? google?

you plan on total liquidation of nearly half, or more, of those companies in seconds in order to pay for programs? then what? where does next year's 20 trillion come from? you also just emptied my entire retirement account to "tax the 1%".

good work.

>Fire Dept is not the same as free college or Loan forgiveness.
>just because

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So Bernie's just as bad as trump. Thanks for agreeing with me.

umm no, 2nd place in 1 half of a year long process is not "the front runner"

There was a time when the fire department and police department were mostly privatized in this country and conservatives made the exact same arguments that you are making now

Donald Trump on Wednesday tweeted a quote from a right-wing conspiracy theorist who called him "the King of Israel."

“President Trump is the greatest President for Jews and for Israel in the history of the world… Jewish people in Israel love him... ...like he’s the King of Israel” Trump quoted Newsmax TV host Wayne Allyn Root saying on Newsmax.

“He keeps doing what he’s doing, he’s good for all of us. Good for Jews, good for blacks, good for gays. Good for everyone in America who wants a job,” Root said, also noting that "I happen to be Jewish by birth."

The president thanked Root for his comments in a tweet just a day after telling reporters that Jewish people who vote for Democrats are disloyal.

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Yep. Our economy relies on an influx of Bolivian dancers.

You really don’t research much do you? This is the most boomerfear post I have seen all day. Congrats on being a useless trump cuck. Get ready to shell out another few million for his golf trip this weekend.

So you agree trump is bad?
Ok thanks for agreeing

That’s how a country works.

If you really want to, you are perfectly able to run off and have your completely isolated life on your own land with no support from any government. I’m sure there is somewhere in Libya or Afghanistan that would accommodate your needs.

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Look beyond your utopian fantasy of what you want to be true. I'm on board with healthcare . I'm not on board with anything else you believe in. Bernie will not get elected. If he does most of his nonsense will not get passed and it's not just Republicans who will block it.

Lol yes. That is exactly the plan. Tax rich people at a higher rate.

He is rich dumbfuck. Standard doesnt apply.

Someone doesn't understand math.

and you less, right? why is your "fair share" zero when you use more of the government?

No one believes you coomie!

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Lol the ACA was no where near as big dick energy as M4A. Obama used Romney care as a blue print to get Republicans to buy in and he got fucked. All of the things that gave the ACA a chance like the individual mandate and price transparency were shot down by Republicans in Congress. He had two years with democratic control and rather than pass anything decided to fight for that sweet ass bipartisan support that senators edge themselves to. Instead we ended up with a gutted plan and insurance companies who can’t plan for the long term. The only reason we still have protection for pre existing conditions is John McCain being the solitary republican to give a shit about his constituents and vote against ending the protection. I do absolutely have fears about Medicare for all but acting like there is a better option out there after republicans shot down the republican designed health plan is fucking laughable. They don’t have shit. On top of that the trump administration is cutting social security programs that pay for the young and old. What is your fucking alternative? The rest of the moderate send are going to keep grinding away at the same shit system we have begging to keep the shit ass provisions that send people into endless debt and create a higher reliance on emergency medicine. Medicare for all is the only sane option.

Pretty sure both of those old farts break their backs from that height

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we already have the "medicare for all" option, its called indian health service... and its unbelievably terrible. your big words don't really mean anything when you're stupid.

>ignores reality
>not supporting corporate feudalism is communism
*laughs in black and white*

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Sweet! Let's move from a batshit crazy white guy to a crazy white guy! I guess that's improvement

Sweet! Let's move from a batshit crazy white guy to a crazy white guy and call it an improvement!

They have private fire departments. Frankly, because you communists keep pushing for socializing everything, why not push for the other way and get rid of govt. run police and fire. Let the poor people eat each other alive for all I care, most of you deserve it.

bump

Not knowing what you are talking about does not make you an expert.

>white guy
hush, the grownups are talking

How do anti-Bernie folks want the distribution of wealth to be? Are you happy with what it's become? Where it's going? Do you even realize how fucked you've become?

On one hand it's quite natural for the rich to get exponentially more rich as time goes on. But that will eventually lead to two or three people owning the world, and the rest of us being pretty damn poor. If you don't like that eventuality.. you need to throw a wrench into the works.

so ihs is a shining example of federally administered healthcare? interesting.

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You’ve successfully identified why it’s bad to have a tiered system, where the poor are on the public dole, and those with deep pockets can pay for premium.

The public system is neglected because the rich don’t need it.

if only rich people were indians, everyone would have free everything. good point. whatever you say krusty.

It DOESN’T work. It has NEVER worked. I have tried and tried and to no avail. It is a PIPE DREAM

good

Sorry dick lick, it ain't his turn neither.

Dan berhman is going to be our president

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>implying the most popular senator in america is being ordained by the establishment

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Explain to me why not. Your refutation comes across as “we shouldn’t try to be the best because we aren’t good enough.” I don’t think those policies would create a literal utopia but I think they would build the foundation for a more just and inclusive society that puts the betterment of its people first. I’m exhausted with regressive family values shit on one side and tiptoeing technocratic lip service on the other. Bernie is the only option I see to get the Democratic Party in line and appeal to the grievance machine of the Republicans.

Start by killing all unnecessary government jobs and programs. We can save so much by getting rid of the fat that is government. We spend too much making it bigger.

>egocentrism

Grow up btard

Hilarious, did you pull that one off facebook bro?!

Lol because that definitely receives adequate funding. Why don’t you tell me what’s bad about it? I am not in that insurance pool. Walk me through what makes it difficult to use.

Good.

if that doesn't receive adequate funding, then what makes you believe expanding that model nearly a hundred fold would?

Bernie will crush Trump.

My dude you are using the most underfunded, ground down, model population. America does not treat its native population well. Also I’ve seen no where that sanders has said that he is modeling M4A after IHS. There is more than one form of socialized healthcare.

so, veteren's administration then? another great choice. strike two.

>Sounds like just the man to run our economy.
What makes you think a President runs the economy?

Once again I am asking

Lol you are the one propping up the straw men. Europe has great healthcare. Japan has great healthcare. New Zealand has great healthcare. Each one has their own issues but the main point is that everyone has access and no one is fucked by medical bills.

Stop saying free. Say universal.

Trump 2 and I will do nothing but seethe

Yer just mad you stepped in a cow turd

"europe" isn't a country, new zealand has a population half the size of new york city. japan's model might be viable, but is also an enormously closed society where it is all but impossible to immigrate to, and even a tourist visa is 90 days max. you can't compare the us to japan until you can compare the two.

Not unless HE can find away to rig votes and Congress

You must think that wealth is a zero sum game. That there is a finite amount of wealth and that rich people are taking more and more of the pie...

>Stop saying free. Say universal.
"europe"
sound like a 'merican.

I'll pick a eurotrash country I don't want to model ourselves after... The U.K... Their healthcare system I have no interest in copying.

I hope.

well, considering wage stagnation and middle class squeeze, meanwhile the rich have been getting richer and richer and richer, it sure does look like a zero sum game

You complain about wage stagnation yet I see nobody doing anything about the immigrants from the south invading your border.

For example, why do you care if your wages go up? yes it's nice for them to go up but think about it, what benefit do you have if your wage goes up but so does the cost of living? If the cost of living goes up at the same rate your wage goes up, to what benefit do you have from that?

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Well according to Bernie's politics, if he becomes president, that gets redistributed and we ALL get to be president, right? doesn't seem like that would work

Are you looking for an exact one to one comparison? That doesn’t exist. The point is that America is capable of this and we need to build it ourselves. There are absolutely questions about services covered and who gets access. The immigration question definitely factors in but I’m not about to take a defeatist attitude because I don’t have an example right in front of me.

The point is that our healthcare system is a failure and all of the arguments raised against m4a here are flawed. Shitposting is real neat but this is something that we can actually do as a country as long as we can get over the relentless bitch moaning fear monger omg that happens daily.

The cost of living has gone up. The problem is that wages haven’t.

>immigrants from the south invading your border.
obviously not american and hasn't got the shittiest clue about what's going on

>why do you care if your wages go up?
what kind of stupid question is this?

>what benefit do you have if your wage goes up but so does the cost of living?
again, you're not american, you don't know any better. cost of living has been going up like crazy in the last decade

no one doesn't have access. the system surely isn't perfect, but there are literally zero example of this particular federal government operating any single thing that isn't incredibly better when done privately. if there were anything you could point to that works now, maybe it would be a base, but there isn't even that.

>any single thing that isn't incredibly better when done privately.
OK Boomer.

then name one.

SNAP, CDC, EPA, DHS, USPS, FBI, CIA, FEMA, IRS, FAA, FDA, Social security, Medicare, the federal reserve.

Damn you are such a capitalist. No one has access? Ask the families with multi thousand dollar deductibles how accessible their healthcare is.

Good point, except it's only true in some circumstances and not others. Now you should ask yourself, whose fault is this? How are rich people responsible for specific cost of living increases? How is it rich people's fault that you can't rent in san francisco for less than $5K a month?

i said name a program or agency operating within their budget and doing so successfully. not "name an agency".

families with high deductibles don't keep their children at home when they need healthcare. you can't honestly believe that, can you?

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Tell me, what's going on? You're being invaded from south of the border.

Cost of living has gone up, but not for everything. Only specific things have had inflationary costs applied to them. Most things have been stagnant or in decline. Why is housing more expensive now than it was in the past? Why is housing increasing in cost faster than inflation but not other things.

If you don't have enough to share, you're sort of a failure.

Social Security
EPA

>Why is housing more expensive now than it was in the past?
Depends where you are.
Some places they'll give you a house if you'll stay.
Houses are expensive where people will pay those prices. House sellers are very price-conscious. They don't give them away if they can get top dollar.
I realise this doesn't apply to you; it's not like you're ever going to be in the position to actually own a house.

differente user here...

EPA has been gutted since trump came into white house. they're basically an empty husk at this point

um not solvent, and not self-sustaining at all. like, at all.

in some areas, profit should not be a concern

Very true. Rural versus urban discrepancies are real. I think this brings in the conversation of what is better for the environmental impact, spread out, or packed in cities. We need to incentivize whichever is better for the nation which is a huge topic. The point i was making here is that wages are stagnant and people are left without a way to advance without drastic change in their lives, such as moving or getting a new degree. I’m also not arguing for taxing people to build a yangbux system either. I think taxing the wealthy is not about vilifying a group but asking the entirety of the American population to pay a proportional tax rate based on income, which the very rich have been paying a lower and lower rate. I agree that funding stupid shit like the San Francisco housing market is dumb, but there needs to be a solution where the taxes we pay go towards programs that 1. Represent the will of the people and 2. Benefit American prosperity in general

Sadly yes. Hopefully a new administration can repair it.

We have operated at a deficit since pretty much ww2. Do you want me to reference that time period of 90% tax rates and the new deal? We were successful with socialist programs then.

I’m not sure what your second point is. What do you mean don’t keep them at home? Are you saying they get the healthcare they need? Because they do. In emergency situations, at a very high cost. Leaving the family in debt. That’s the problem.

i said solvent, not profit, economics major.

It reduced elderly poverty from 50% to 9%

a deficit which more than doubled between january 2009 and january 2017. is anything better now? should we then quadruple that annually?

no, working better jobs and practicing better personal management did. not the government.

Sorry tim laid out you losing.
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God damn i hope so

>working better jobs and practicing better personal management did
>Hey guys do the right thing and the right thing will happen
Irrelevant when making policy for demographics.

I've yet to see a social program run by the government doing anything besides creating market distortions and other unforeseen consequences.

Education and Healthcare have seen 7% increases for several decades. That's thanks to the government throwing excess money at the problem. Government creates too many interventions and subsidies.

Are you asking to go back to 1950s tax code and social welfare programs? Because I wouldn't care if we did, however that would mean LESS socialism than we have now.

Also, that 90% tax rate thing... with all the deductions they had then, really didn't mean as much as it does now.

If you want 1950s tax code, that's fine. However you should know that Revenue to GDP has been flat since the early 1950s to today.

>NPR
Wow you're a huge faggot aren't ya?

so that's not the current delegate count? something so easily verifiable by literally thousands of sources, and people who can count to 22?

good

yet somehow was the cause of improved financial situations for retired persons, not the federal government. weird.

You listen to npr. Nothing you say matters anymore.

>conflating economic recovery vs the gov addressing a market failure
cool story
Do you believe there are 160 million jobs that can provide 160 million people with good healthcare and the ability to own a home?

i cited npr as a source for a single delegate count table, that doesn't mean i listen to it. good work.

So you're admitting to being a gay? Good work

Why is healthcare such a priority? all it does is extend your miserable existence. The people who can least afford healthcare such as the homeless population are the least deserving of the population anyway. They're suffering and are just waiting to die, why extend their suffering?

where did i say that? i believe there is ample access to good paying jobs to those who have the education and drive to succeed in those jobs, leading to home ownership.

accepting loans well above 6 figures to pay for a literature degree does not guarantee you a management position on salary at google and a home in the most expensive neighborhood in california.

would you like to try and make something else up? you sorta fell flat on that one.

nice one, i bet that took you a whole weekend to come up with. i applaud your astronomically intellectual response to a simple table.

excelent

Good.

Lol. A jew good at sports

>No way Bernie would take guns
He's Israel's little puppet dude. Lobbied for the F35 project. He's as much of the Elites puppet as any of them. Guns are the only right that matters.

>where did i say that?
I asked you if you believed it.
>ample to good paying jobs to those who have the education and drive to succeed in those jobs,
Statistically poverty perpetuates itself.
It's a nice thing to encourage people towards ambition and self discipline, but we cannot air drop leaflets of Atlas Shrugged or The Secret into poor areas and new improvement.

Currently 40% of americans cannot afford a surprise $400 expense. Savings are being gutted as a result of medical debt, tangentially related to 27 million people being without healthcare, and many more underusing their because of cost.

Mathematically, your platitude regarding individual enterprise is bullshit both in raw numbers, and the cyclic trauma of poverty, which immiserated generations in poor housing often with single parents, poor nutrition, shit schools, and the blight of crime.

The NRA owns like half of the republican senate and so many in congress. Guns will never be taken under a Republican presidency. Gun rights will only improve under the Reds. Just look at Virgina and this piece of human trash Bloomberg. Democrats are the gun grabbers. If you're not aware of that, you must be living under a rock with 1 brain cell