Why is this such a hard question for people I never understood that. It is fucking obvious THE EGG CAME FIRST

a chicken cannot survive in a dinosaur egg it needs a chicken egg, therefor the non-chicken laid a chicken egg with hatched a chicken which then laid the second chicken egg

eggs evolve too.. doesnt mean that the eggs of today are the same of thousands of years ago or whenever chickens came to be

Its a variance in the genetic code that the chicken like bird created a chicken due to any number of mutations or mitigating factors. Its like a perfectly healthy mom giving birth to a beain dead fetus. That's just genetics.

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yes but the mutation was in the chicken egg itself at first

Which means once it hatched it took the first actual breaths of a living chicken. Hence, the egg came first to pass along the genetic material required for a chicken to be born.

This is a stupid semantics problem not a real logic problem. First define chicken and then define egg. Chicken is easy, it is chicken. It is what we call chicken, if it was not a chicken then it would be like chicken and thus not chicken. Now define egg. If we go with the word problem as written "What came first, the chicken or the egg." Then in fact the easy answer is the egg as in the problem it is defined simply as egg and therefor any egg, not just a chicken egg. And so in the simple semantic sense the answer is egg came first. Now if we go with the implied data, ie that the egg in question is a chicken egg, then we need to define chicken egg. Is a chicken egg can either be an egg that has been laid by a chicken, or an egg that hatches a chicken. Of course chicken is how we have defined chicken earlier in the argument. So pick your definition and you have your answer. If you want to argue both are true then you are still answer the question. If you do not understand the true answer by now I cannot help you further.

Egg people pick chicken are overthinking.

exactly.

Things were laying eggs, long before chickens evolved. Checkmate.

>Egg people pick chicken are overthinking.
what?

But don’t ya know? Jesus waved a magic wand and made the first chicken, then it laid the first egg.

>checkmate atheists

Evolution is a retarded theory for knuckle-draggers

Jesus Chickenfucker should have kept his wand in his pants, he's as bad as his dad

this.

>easily provable by observing independent adaptations in divergent genetic lines

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Not a single new species has been recorded

In the future please apply yourself before creating a troll post.

Chicken obviously an egg cant cum.

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So there's somebody out there that has personally observed a dinosaur evolve into a chicken?

Your mom came first.

No, it's not easily provable by simple observation, retard.

Dog breeds for instance aren't proof of evolution, they're proof of the ability to select for genes that already exist in the population. But that introduces nothing new to the gene pool, and therefore is just variation within a single species.

To prove that all life is descended from a common ancestor, you need to demonstrate speciation, which requires watching new mutations appear, and then spread through the population, until they're distinct enough to form a new species. Which is hard, they think they've witnessed it in a few animals, mostly bugs, but it's something that generally only happens over very long stretches of time.

That's why most of the proof is based on the fossil record, not on observing extant creatures.

In the future, please stop defending evolution. You're an idiot and make the rest of us look bad. kthxbye

Think if it this way. Homo erectus was not genetically human but they contributed to the genetic gene pool of humanity. You say dinosaur to chicken is hundreds of thousands or millions of years. We have much more immediate examples of genetic variance in our own blood.

Dog breeding is literally manipulating genetics of breeding pairs for a desired outcome. That's fucking evolution. granted it runs counter to the natural progression of evolution being survivability but still. You're directly referencing the thing you claim doesn't exist.

Have you personally observed the sun go from rising to setting?

no, you're right. I make this exact argument in perfect seriousness often

No, it's not. The theory of evolution postulates that living creatures evolve into new species through natural selection. If you breed for characteristics within a single stable gene pool, you're just mixing up the existing genes, instead of introducing anything new. There's no way for those dog breeds to become a new species.

In order to become a new species, there there need to be mutations or other new heritable characteristics.

Go back to school and learn what evolution means, retard.

This. None of you low t virgins actually know anything. It's pathetic that you talk down to those with faith when the evidence of there being a creator or not is 50/50. Humble yourselves and realize scientists don't actually know everything.

>In order to become a new species, there there need to be mutations or other new heritable characteristics.

Much in the same was that about 10% of people in Britain are immune to HIV because their ancestors survived the Black death. And yet. They aren't a new species. How weird. it's almost as if a gradual compilling of positive attributes and mutations is required for a unique species to be born.

Okay, so I guess we should bridge the language gap that exists between the two of us. Fuck this is going to be long winded, but whatever. There are a couple of terms that "evolution" broadly covers. One is Macroevolution (what most people think of when one says "evolution), which Merriam-Webster defines as "evolution that results in relatively large and complex changes (as in species formation)". This is what the dinosaur to chicken example entails. The other is Microevolution, which is defined as "comparatively minor evolutionary change involving the accumulation of variations in populations usually below the species level". This is what your example of the relationship between H erectus and H sapiens entails. I am a believer in Microevolution, that members within a species (or even a small group of species) can change and adapt to new things. However, I reject the notion that the clear proof of speciation and microevolution is therefore proof of macroevolution. You on the otherhand, if I am assuming correctly, believe that they are both just two different steps of the same process, and therefore microevolution, if that line is successful, will inevitably lead to macroevolution, hence why you and other evolutionists take cases of microevolution as proof of macro.
Do I have this summed up correctly?
Yes
To be fair, it's not 100% a religion thing. Plenty of religious people (including Christians) believe in the theory.

So is the egg defined by what it contains or where it came from?

>Do I have this summed up correctly?
You did I think. Macro vs micro is a complex interwoven machine, though. The generational increments of micro evolution eventually compound to macro.

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Fucking normies REEEEEEEEEEEE

>Macro vs micro is a complex interwoven machine, though. The generational increments of micro evolution eventually compound to macro.
Yup, and that's your opinion. I have mine. We're at a headlock, and we're not gonna change each others' minds.
>what your pic says
Fuck you pedo

The Egg, since the species the chicken evolved from already laid eggs. So the first chicken would have been born from an egg.

>Which Came first, the chicken or the egg?
Never specified a chicken egg. Dinosaur eggs existed well before chickens did.

SHELLED BIRD AND REPTILE EGGS EXISTED FAR BEFORE CHICKENS EXISTED END OF STORY THE EGG CAME FIRST BY HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF YEARS

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Topkek

Never said I was a pedo. Just that proud pedos should repost the image.

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No, they should either get therapy or kill themselves