Wizard here. I'd like to have sex some day. How do you convince someone to have sex with you?

When I was really young, I dealt drugs in clubs, coke, MDMA, weed mostly, The pretty ladies often paid in Mouth or Pussy in the bathroom
When I still went clubbing later but stopped dealing, I just went up to girls and asked "wanna get out of here"; worked maybe 1/4th of time time for me, kinda a pretty boy, so depending on your looks you might have a lot harder time, it's a numbers game so keep trying
Don't buy drinks for girls. This is a beta move and makes you a sucker in their eyes, they will take your drink, turn around and ignore you. Be firm and assertive but don't pretend to be a player

I am a nice guy. Can confirm, girls like me. They enjoy hanging out with me and talking with me. But they definitely don't want to fuck me. They save that for assholes.

trust me on this user, roastie single moms will move mountains when they lock-on a guy they like. Being a wizard is an advantage because they look for older guys with a stable career who can act as stepdads later, you just have to sell the illusion of commitment.

A word of caution, if the kid is black, run away. youre going to std-town

Girls don't like nice guys. They like nice guys when they are mature enough to look for a partner to raise children with. If you just wanna fuck some younger girls, be nice but not too nice

What the hell is the point of having money then? If girls don't find it attractive when you buy drinks, I might as well have just flipped burgers for my career and I'd be in the same place as I am now.

This is exactly why youre a virgin, you dont "convince" a girl to fuck you by like tricking them, just dont be a fucking weirdo and shower for gods sake

They wanna know you could buy them drinks. They wanna know you're clean enough and wealthy enough to afford a nice place with a nice bed.
And if you already hang out with them, then you can buy some drinks. But don't use drinks as a conversation starter, ever.

goddamn you are a fucking niceguy.

you know why they don't fuck you? you're weak.

lots of men are fantastic people, who aren't assholes and get lots of pussy because they're confident. Women don't want a sniveling niceguy. they want a guy who is nice, knows who he is, and what he wants.

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Do you know this from experience? I could see being a step dad as an option. But won't women like that run from guys with no experience? They're looking to settle down for good.
I shower at least once a day, often twice. Do I need to shower on my lunch break as well?
Who am I? a 34 year old virgin.
What do I want? to not be that.

Be honest with yourself about who you are as a person and find someone at an equal or complimentary levels. Don't expect a hot nympho like you posted if you're a greasy neckbeard. Find your Mrs. Greasy Neckbeard.

I don't expect anyone particularly attractive. I realize I'm nothing special, and don't expect her to be anything special either. That said, there is some sort of borderline attraction requirement. I'd rather remain a virgin than fuck someone like this, for example.

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then stop making excuses that "girls only fuck assholes"

also, get on fetlife, find the Poly community, start making friends with poly people. you'll be in orgies in no time.

>Who am I? a 34 year old virgin.
>What do I want? to not be that.
You won't get laid until you get active. Either you you go out and hit on women, or you pay a hooker.

this

my grad school friend probably was a wizard. then he went to a weekly line dancing thing (in the northeast!), set up pretty much for people like him to find girlfriends/boyfriends. it didn't take long before he found an equally shy, equally overweight (neither is obese) woman.

they're actually very sweet together and by all appearances happy. they've been married for years.

>How do you convince someone to have sex with you?
you don't. thinking like this is what got you to wizard level in the first place.

think about it the other way around. what would a woman you don't find sexually attractive at ll have to do to convince you to fuck her?

Really? I find this very hard to believe. From my understanding, orgies frown upon single men. You've got to be there with another woman or you're outta luck.
Aww, that's nice to hear. Stories like that give me a glimmer of hope.

You don't "convince" someone to have sex with you.
Also, don't expect to have a girl on your doorstep to be ready for sex. Go out, meet some people, get some friends, talk to them.
I lost my virginity at 25 because I was a ugly fatlard who would only go out with male friends and would be too scared to talk to girls due to its appearance. I got fit and finally overcome my shyness.
Also, don't go out asking for sex. That's how you remain a wizard.

Dont listen to that degenerate faggot, OP. Honestly youre overthinking this, your lack of experience will show, just make a bullshit excuse like you were in a long term dead bedroom abusive relationship or some shit.

an organized orgie does. 90% of my friends are poly and the number of impromptu orgies I've seen is staggering. thats the thing with being poly. no one is "single" or "taken" you are a person. sometimes you have sex with a lot of different people, sometimes you have sex with one person, sometimes you have sex with a few people regularly. the one theme here is poly people fuck like animals. I have many friend who have hooked up once or twice just because they both needed to get off.

I get where you're coming from, but the system is so one sided that there really isn't a good comparison. For me to not find someone sexually attractive at all, she'd probably have to be below a 3, or a complete psycho bitch who I can't stand spending 30 seconds with. I'm nothing like that.
>don't go out asking for sex
Maybe true, but I remained a wizard by not asking for sex. No woman is ever going to make the first move. I've got to ask for sex to some degree or I'm going to die a virgin.

I haven't even had the opportunity to show off my lack of experience yet. I've never been on a date.
How would you even find out if someone is into that sort of thing? I don't talk to people about sex. Do normal people who aren't in a relationship talk to each other about sex?

normies casually talking about sex? no. poly people? usually.

they're a bunch of free love hippies. every poly girl i've fucked has been a total cock slut. greatest fucks I've had.
again, fetlife is your friend.

forgot to say, fetlife is your friend. you don't need to reach out to a girl for sex, you should hit up a guy/girl and say you're trying to get involved in your local poly community. ask if they have any tips/want to hang out. nearly all poly people ive met are deeply tribal and have large friend groups.

otherwise get on a dating app and specifically say you're poly. its the only time I've had girl aggressively pursue me.

>but the system is so one sided
it's really not, tho

you should hear my wife's friends complain about not finding any nice guys. and they're neither fat nor ugly nor poor nor uneducated (all have at least masters degrees, most in STEM fields, and great degrees)

>For me to not find someone sexually attractive at all, she'd probably have to be below a 3, or a complete psycho bitch who I can't stand spending 30 seconds with. I'm nothing like that.
that what THEY say exactly

You would introduce me to your wife's friends. I hear we're all single.

This, so much this.

Hookers is the answer. Doesn't even matter what was the question.

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i'm in murrica, where getting a hooker can land you in jail. sex isn't worth that risk. but plus i'm mostly just interested in sex with someone who actually wants to be with me. if there's no mutual attraction, what's the point?

I see your way of thinking and I can see where the problem lies. You don't ask for sex, it's just a thing that happens.
I'll make you a couple of examples to make it easier to understand.
In a classic relationship, there is no talk about "let's have sex", it's just a thing that happens, you kiss, you rub each other, then someone invites the other one to their home and boom, that's it.
In a one-night stand, you also don't just go ask for sex. You like some girl, go there, talk a bit, some touching and kissing, you go further and further, and then if she goes with it, sex happens.

Charm them or buy them.

>it's just a think that happens
Sort of. It only happens because the man asks for sex though. Usually non-verbally, but sex doesn't happen unless the man asks for sex.
Touching and kissing are ways of asking for sex. In fact, going for a kiss honestly sounds far more difficult and awkward than just flat out asking if she wants to fuck.

How do you charm them? I'd rather leave buying as an absolute last resort.

>Be Jew
>Offer money to fuck a hooker and film it
>"Not prostitution my good goy"
>TFW

Just take a vacation to Vegas or something. Come on man, you are making excuses. You gotta be a man of action, roasties will dig that once you get confidence.

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>sex doesn't happen unless the man asks for sex
i non-ironically feel very sorry for you

prostitution or not, this guy is right.
this is why youre a wizard. grow a back bone, be assertive but not predatory, and women will begin to give you more attention.

confidence, certainty of self, and some times dominance is what women look for.

This type of thinking will just get you flagged as a weirdo. Yes, you are right, kissing and touching are, in some way, a non-verbal way of asking for sex. But just going straight asking for sex it's a big no-no. And, I believed the same thing, but, trust me, it becomes a natural thing when you do it.
Also, stop thinking that only males want sex. Girls are just as horny as us and want sex too, and they will make sure that you will understand when they want to. They can be way more explicit than man if they want.

yeah, they don't want a wizard tho

Fun fact: prostitution is actually quite illegal in Vegas. Common, yes, but still illegal. Nevada's legal brothels are all in smaller cities, quite a ways from Vegas. I've looked into this, purely for academic reasons of course.
Alright, they can stay single and lonely then. I'm not a bad guy. But I'm apparently not good enough for anyone. So they and I stay lonely and keep hoping we find someone. It's a shame, really.

>How do you charm them?
you don't.

you just be. THEY decide if they want you or at least might want you—or not

again, just imagine this with the roles reversed: a woman you don't find sexually attractive at all puts the moves on you. nothing is more esperate and pathetic than that, right?

Then make a trip to Tihuana, Panama or Columbia. Or if you feel like going farther you can go to Europe. Man, it is so easy to pay a cheap legal hooker I still wonder how people don't figure this out themselves.

Don't bother, it's overrated.

The difference between assertive and predatory is in the eye of the beholder. That's what's so terrifying. If I'm attractive and hit on the right woman, things go great. But if I'm average and hit on the wrong woman, I'm a creepy weirdo who deserves prison time for sexual harassment.
I wish a woman would be explicit about it. There have been a few times recently where I thought a woman might be hitting on me, but it was so subtle I didn't pick up on it at the time, and only realized it after the fact.
To be honest, I'd probably be flattered and go for it. That's the difference between men and women. If a woman does it, it's cute and endearing, but if a man does it it's creepy and pathetic.

So it worked every night. Just go up to 4 girls and the 4th is like yeah?

>How do you charm them?
If you haven’t managed to get laid by now you’re probably hopeless unless you really, really lower your standards. You’re probably too awkward and retarded to charm anything.

yeah on average, and if you pick the right party girls. the wallflowers will say no

I don't have much in the way of standards. Only thing I really care about is that she actually wants to be there with me. I've been turned down by fat ugly girls, so it's not just a question of standards though.
I probably am hopeless, but I don't understand why. I don't know what normal people do differently to form relationships and have sex. It seems to come so easily to them.

I was a 270 pound arthritis ridden virgin 2 years ago, just had a threesome 3 days ago. Hard work pays off

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Hitting you it's quite different to just have sex, especially when you are 34.
Hitting is more of a "that guy seems interesting, let me try to approach it and see how it goes" rather than "I want sex from him".
Also, you seem to be misunderstanding about everything that could be misunderstood. I said that girls can be really explicit when wanting sex, but this doesn't mean that they will come out of the blue and start touching your junk like in a porn movie.
As I said, it's a thing that happens in a relationship, when both people want it. And in that moment they will be very explicit about it.

Oh great it's this LARPing faggot again

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How did you get from there to here? How much do you weigh now? What changed?
I'm not asking them to be explicit about wanting sex. That can come later. But I'm terrible at reading signals. I can't tell if someone is interested in me from a conversation or interaction. I have no idea if we just had a casual friendly chat, or if she might want more.

Stop watching porn
Gain interests
Work out
Download tinder

Oh and dress nice

Anything between 100 to 400 depending on the quality of the escort. All of us here are telling you to get an escort because clearly you aren't getting any through your charm.

Try doublelist

Yeah, that's a big problem some people have. I still have it, and the few times i could read the signals it's because i had someone else point it to me.

... just how socially inept are you?

>nice guys kek
Well you must be ugly as sin then.

Porn is the only way I stay sane without sex. Does tinder work for guys who aren't hot? Isn't it based entirely on looks?
Do you think getting an escort would help me form a normal relationship?
As far as I can tell, my ineptitude is entirely related to forming relationships and/or having sex. I can have fun socially, make friends, hang out, converse, laugh, all that stuff that normies do. I just have no idea how to escalate a relationship into the sex zone.
Nah. I'm nothing special to look at, but hardly "ugly as sin". I'm around a 4-5.

Vegas you troglodyte
I think i found out why your dick has never seen cunt folds. You are a whiny pussy bitch.

4-5... yup that's bad, like even low self esteem guys rate themselves higher than they actually are, so you are probably a 2. What is it? Trisomy or a motorcycle wreck?

Well an escort could give you that realization that sex isn't all that amazing. Just rub one out from time to time.

Roofies and some rope.

I'm not horribly disfigured or anything. I'm just nothing special to look at. I'm trying to be honest and not rate myself too high, like the guys you mentioned.
I already know sex isn't all that amazing. I've got a pretty good idea what sex would be like through extensive research. I just want to share that mediocre experience with someone. Is that too much to ask?

>Girls like nice guys
Asshole here. You're wrong. Fuck off. Nigger.

>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Go to Thailand. The cheapest whores will take US singles.

>Go to Thailand. The cheapest whores will take US singles.
That's how your dad met your mom

Wouldn't you want to have someone with experience and patience coach you through sex? That means the first time you have sex with a real loving partner you don't totally suck at it. Think of it as a gift for your future gf.

>That's how your dad met your mom
Yes

>through extensive research
Explain

Because being a bumbling goof whie having sex for the first time is cute when you are both teens. Not when you are both middle aged.

he jerks off to 2d loli porn

Cast a spell on him, faggot.

But he could fuck a teen. Then his inexperience would'be considered cute again, right?

That's not how it works. A teen that's dtf with a guy 10-15 years older then them is expecting some kind of experience. She wants to bang some guy who has no idea what's going on she'd bang any highschool senior.

>That's not how it works
And you incel know exactly how it works. Fuck off

I'm no incel fwend.

That's a fair point, and an interesting way of looking at it. If it didn't have such a stigma and/or legal repercussions I'd be much more open to trying it. As it stands, if I went with that approach I'd have to lie and hide that experience from everyone for the rest of my life.
I've watched videos, read books, asked questions online, etc, over the course of decades. Oh, and a lot of porn. I've spent hundreds of hours at least learning about sex. Just not in the real world.

U learn shit from watching porn. You have to dive into some pussy.

Well you got plenty of options. I means sure there are cops trying to catch johns out there. But meeting up an escort just to talk isn't illegal, paying someone for a chat isn't illegal. If you have sex with them afterwards it's just pure coincidence.

Go on tinder... find 7/10 college freshman.

Compliment her... offer to pay some of her bills.

Ask her if you buy her panties, clothes will she model them for you.

Pay her like 150-200

30 bucks worth of bs clothes from VS

Teen sweet pussy

No VD

Hold out just a bit longer, friend. The rewards are beyond comprehension. Check 'em.

This sounds creepy as fuck, even to a desperate virgin.

>he bebe
>send bobs and vagen- eh I mean you want some VS underwear????
>gets blocked

Just pay for it, a prostitute. Wear a condom.
xvideos.com/video1186571/1_dollar_hooker_car_blowjob

Checked. Nice single bro. Reminds me of my life.

Not the singles, friend. Just wait for it...

Pathetic. Also watch dis

Oh, ye of little faith... The repeating digits are coming- nay! They are already here, waiting to be revealed! We must only wait...

Cringe. Fuck dubs. Check my trips master race

Oh boy. You trying to get doubles is like me trying to get laid.

But he cant pay for dubs. But you can buy some sexy time

Can't wait for one of us to finally get dubs so you can tell us to check them acting like it was the plan all along. Dickhead.

silence nerds

Loli is love. Loli is life.

yoooo 69 guess whos got it going on!

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Btfo, single peasents

>I don't have much in the way of standards. Only thing I really care about is that she actually wants to be there with me. I've been turned down by fat ugly girls, so it's not just a question of standards though.
>I probably am hopeless, but I don't understand why. I don't know what normal people do differently to form relationships and have sex. It seems to come so easily to them.

When I date I normally check what movies are out that I might like that a girl might like, I don't know right now, maybe Mulan or something is coming out soon? On the date I'm not insisten on paying or anything, I just ask if they want anything, be nice and chill. Either they'll feel comfortable around you and will be okay going back to your place or not.

That's the exchange, you put yourself out there, make that first move of asking them out, spend time with them without embarrassing them or yourself, and you have a place they're comfortable going to and having sex at and then you have sex.

I never want to seem worried about it, because it's just a first date, it's not a momentous occasion or anything, so I'm usually talking to and texting a few girls who I plan on asking out. Then someone says yes and I see a movie and probably have sex.

Does it make sense?

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If dubs i'll kms

went to high school with the girl in the picture. have jerked it to her many times. she also took it in the ass in back room casting couch.

Based Kabalistic algorithm. now DIE

I love public shit op.. you got more?

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I can understand the theory, yes, but in practice this seems so completely alien to me. I've never been on a date, so the idea of texting multiple potential partners at once just seems unfathomable. For me a first date would be a momentous occasion, and a significant moment in my life, like graduating college or something.

Bullshit, but in the off chance you're not lying, got any more pics?

no bullshit. her porn name is Brielle Lynn. caity is her real name. she did a few shoots with FTV, and most recently atkhairy, which wasn't great. her younger stuff with FTV is pretty sexy.

sure, here's another

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All things you can Google. Fuck off liar

Jesus ty user im diamond. Public is soo hot

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believe what you want. doesn't matter to me. she's from Mesa, AZ. Facebook and Instagram name is caity Lynn. look her up if you want.

there talking about whores user. but if your in america theres really no great and easy place to find them anymore, backpage has been taken from us, if your in a somwhat urban area and see an asian massage parlour thats open late or 24 hours its a brothel. the chinks tend to pay the police off in cities so there pretty safe and mamma san makes sure the girls are clean because they want repeat buisness. chinks are sensable like that. however fucking a whore will only lead to misery, youll bust your nut maybe and i mean maybe because its very ahrd to get off on sterile sex with no foreplay or attachment your know it was just for the money, youll know youll never have a family, you know youll die alone or maybe with a ppet dog that wll starve after you have a heart attack. go to the gym instead, self improvement for self atleast makes you feel good

Dude just google (your town) escorts. Problem solved.

yep, these reasons are exactly why i haven't just gone to a prostitute yet
i've been working hard on getting in better shape over the last year or so
i've got much better endurance now, lost some weight, and generally feel better. hopefully at some point a woman other than my mom notices though

If dubs user lives a happy fulfilling life

name, sauce? hot damn!

Wow, that's a crazy way of looking at it. They aren't "potential partners", they're just girls you're texting/talking to, then they're girls you're asking out to a movie, a movie you'll be going to if they want to, or if not with someone else. That's why it works, you're not faking confidence or that it doesn't matter if they say no like all those stupid tips are. It really doesn't matter if someone says no. Then they're girls who might be going to your place or you're going back to theirs or maybe you're figuring out when you're going to meet up next.

If they go to a movie and it doesn't work out after that, then there's always another movie and more girls to ask out. There's nothing to fake, no tricks, the more girls you text and meet and talk to, the more dates you go on, the more experienced you get with it and the easier it is. But you'll never get better at it if you don't start trying.

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ive had sex with over 50 prostitues stopped 6 years ago, ive been going to the gym the last year no woman i also dont try though, frankly i work 40 hours a week hit the gym 3 times a week and live in a shack in the woods. i own it but im still poor as far as money goes, hopeing to make 35k once i get done doing some training. eventually want to build a house what can fit a family in it then go mail order route.

name: no idea
sauce: my folder full of related images
other than that, no idea

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Dude this guy is playing a character. He's made this thread literally dozens of times. He's been given every imaginable form of advice and nothing "works" for him. His story is also constantly changing, inconsistent and not plausible.

It's a LARP just stop feeding it.

Buy it. Or post a pic with a timestamp to see what level of fugly you got goin on

Girls I'm texting/talking to aren't potential partners, and that's the problem. They're friends at best, or maybe acquaintances who have boyfriends. The possibility of them becoming a partner never comes up. When we do things together, it's always just as friends.
Is it really so hard to believe that a guy like me can exist?

I have far too many virgin friends to be certain that it's just a game. I tell them ask girls out, then get laid. I point to whichever friend we have who is fuckuglier than them and say "if that fucker can do it.." They're all hitting this age where it's going to be awkward that they have little to no experience.

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Know from experience if you get naked drunk and try this you will hurt yourself. If you aren't blackout drunk you're still blacking out!

>Is it really so hard to believe that a guy like me can exist?
A virgin at your age? No. Your stories, the things you allege? Absolutely.

How old are your virgin friends? How old is too old to have no experience?
Everything I've posted about myself is true. What don't you believe and why?

I don't want to play

I'm just here to stop you from baiting other unsuspecting people trying to give legitimate advice you tool

well shit, thanks anyway user

I've had sex many times yet I still don't know the answer to this. It seems to just happen.

You're wasting way too much money for something that's free.

sorry, here's a consolation prize

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Those Hungarian girls are fucking crazy.

Do you have any details on some of those times? It "just happens" to most people, but people like me need to make it happen, and I'm trying to figure out how to do that.

Honestly OP, just look up whores in your area, pick up the one you like the most and set up date. Talkto her on whap a bit, get a feeling about if she seems cool enough with the idea of popping your cherry, book her for two or three hours, explain everything to her and let her show you the ropes. There's no shame in that.

Do you have experience with this? I wouldn't know how to find one. Especially not without getting caught.

dude you just need to be yourself and women will come to you