Be right-wing

>tries to ban fucking everything

but you throw a fit when donald trump does the same thing

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Found the small dick black tranny sjw libtard

FDR's policies were left-leaning. They benefited people out of work.
Social programs are not right-leaning either.

I could have the smallest dick on the planet. I'm still right.
You haven't proven shit, you're screaming like a faggot about how bad everyone is but you.

I would be 100 percent right wing if it wasnt for one thing, and that is their absolute denial towards environmental damage, every right wing is the biggest retard when it comes to that, had a dude in his pick up truck throw away trash out the window one time and was like MUH MERICA I DO WUT I WANT!!

Yes thank you.

Bunch of 14 year olds think socialism = facism because the Nazis had "socialist" in their name. Kek

This is why our two party system fails miserably. What if you are concerned about environmental disaster but also don't think it's a good idea to import hordes of brown people? There is no candidate for that.

Nigger

>but also don't think it's a good idea to import hordes of brown people
it means you're a racist, frankly.

Open borders for Israel.

-Is all I have to say about that.

I could be the darkest darkie and I'd still be right.

You haven't proven shit.

What does that have to do with Trump and the Republicans' fascist border policies?

take the bread pill user

What is bread pill?

It means you should hold everybody to the same standard and not be a complete fucking hypocrite.

How am I being a hypocrite?

I've proven you're a tiny dicked spear chucker. I win.

You haven't proven that either.
You can't even prove that your ass isn't being violated with a BBC.

>But you get upset when Trump does the same thing
Yes?
I get upset at both. What is your point? I expressed discontent with the left trying to ban fucking everything and I wouldn't want any president to do that. I have no idea what you are trying to say.

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>be me
>anti-progressive, non-conservative, clasical liberal
>not racist, but think the left is going retarded about it
>know the climate is changing, but also know the left lobbies it for political purposes (pro tip: CO2 causes logarithmic temperature increase, no hockey stick projection has been or could possibly be right)
>want candidates that are for individual rights, but both the right and left are overwhelmingly authoritarian
>yeah, gun regulation makes sense (felons, the insane, genersl safety, etc), but only if the ability of the fed to over regulate lawful citizens is completely removed
>banning abortion is retarded, but so is late term abortion
>99% of foreign wars are retarded, but giving up our military infrastructure would be insane
>almost 100% of the media is propaganda
>corporate interests rule us all, but they sure do drive down the costs of living and increase the general wealth of society in the process of exploiting that wealth generation to amass obscene piles of cash

It's all bullshit. Just a show to keep us fighting. The only thing we should really focus on is the erosion of our rights. It's the only thing that matters.

>with the left trying to ban fucking everything
ever think about why they might want to ban things shithead?

>want candidates that are for individual rights, but both the right and left are overwhelmingly authoritarian
you are a retard

I don't think the left demies that bigotry exists although I do agree that some of the retardedfar left blue hair haired feminists have radicalised people due to people making youtube videos about them

>The only thing we should really focus on is the erosion of our rights. It's the only thing that matters.
1. Stop electing Republicans

Strange how Obama made executive orders on things he didn't have the power to enact and the left cheered. When trump tried to cancel those orders by using executive orders they say he doesn't have the power to do that and take him to court. Executive orders are bullshit.

ITT: retards that think either party is pro individual rights. Pro tip: look st the legislation and executive orders regarding rights in the last 30-40 years. It's been consistent attacks from both sides.

If you want open borders that's your right to believe in, but hold other nations to the same standard. Why don't any of the wealthy gulf nations take in any refugees? Why doesn't Israel? Because they plain don't want to. And nobody bats an eye at that. But when western society doesn't want to take them you will try to shame us and play your race card. Hypocrisy.

2. Most Democrats are really Republican trojan horses.

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I agree. I want healthcare fixed but any politician who even wants to discuss it are for open borders free college and college debt forgiveness. I honestly would be open to free college but only free to students going to school for a stem degree who test high and are low income (not race based ) . But instead we get all of nothing.

You mean federal law?

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This guy gets it.

What rights have Republicans proposed taking away besides the right for your mom to vacuum a baby out of her whore hole. Liberals want to ban bags, straws, big gulps, free speech on campuses , guns, mining ......

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A two party system is inherently flawed.

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>Liberals want to ban bags, straws, big gulps,

Good.

>free speech on campuses

no we don't dumbass

>guns,

some assault rifles, yes.

>mining ......
Nope. But mining needs to be heavily regulated and not be allowed in beautiful pristine areas that are prime animal habitat.

Glad I could clear this up for you.

No "law" is going to make bigotry and xenophobia look good user.

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>but any politician who even wants to discuss it are for open borders
there is literally no politician running for office that wants this.

Stop lying trumpshit.

Bullshit. The Republicans have shifted this country consistently to the right for the past 20 years. That means less rights. That means more authoritarianism.

>Everyone is shit. Prove me wrong.
It's a scientific law user. 99% of everything is empty.

>most
no they aren't trumpshit

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>If you want open borders
I don't want them.

Nobody running for office does. Stop pushing this false talking point.

Explain how the federal border laws are facist or racist.

>Why don't any of the wealthy gulf nations take in any refugees? Why doesn't Israel? Because they plain don't want to
Why do you want the US to stoop to fascism and theocracy like those countries user?

Great. So let's keep out the filthy hordes and fix our healthcare system. Still no candidate for that.

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Because of a lack of due process. That's fascism, not democracy or a republic.
Trump's policies also target non-whites.

Well now we now what side you shill for. Call it what you want but eliminating ice , decriminalizing illegal border crossing, giving the illegal immigrants free healthcare is what they have said they want. Some even want another amnesty.

>So let's keep out the filthy hordes
no, racist, how about we don't?

What rights have they taken away?

This reply makes no sense.

>Call it what you want
that's your shtick not mine

I want the current system where people can apply for asylum and for citizenship, and it's obvious we need some sort of amnesty for guest workers. That still isn't "open borders," stop being a retard.

I want us to address the myriad other problems we are currently facing before we try to handhold the rest of the world through theirs. It's only holding us back.

Fine, take them in your home. Hope you enjoy bedbugs.

anti-gay
anti-women
anti-black
anti-immigrant
anti-worker
anti-environment
they do not respect people unless they're rich white christian men

You don't know what you are talking about. Over 90% of illegals picked up and released never show back up to court. What due process are they denied? It really freightens me that when Obama was president all you liberals where cheering for delivering illegals. Now because pelosi has told you to think different you are all open borders. 1984 is already here we just live in denial.

I don't have to take immigrants my home to understand the importance of how immigration benefits this country. This is a stupid "argument" and you need to stop using it.

I love how folks in the Huntsville Subgroup all think they're experts on the US's so-called immigration problem. No contact with the territory, no knowledge of the history behind the border, just knee-jerk chants of DEYS-STEELIN-UR-JERBS.
Capitalists in the US have been exploiting Mexican laborers as an underclass for a hundred years now. Both Devin Nunes's family and the Trump Disorganization employ undocumented workers to this day.
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>Hope you enjoy bedbugs.
like in Trump's hotels?

So you are saying illegal immigrants are all non white. Sounds pretty racist go me. Have fun at your next klan rally asshole.

There is no due process for Trump's wall, the camps the border crossers are put in, the Executive Orders which militarize ICE like Nazi stormtroopers. All of this is the Executive Branch going rogue.

The people crossing the southern border are by and large not white user.
>durr your the real racist
they trigger the fuck out of you because they're not white user admit it

The policies target non-whites. Undocumented immigrants come in all colors. Take Arnold, for example. Or Melanija. Or the hundreds of thousand of Irish in NYC, Boston, and LA.

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People can apply for citizenship as well as amnesty. It happens by the millions. What is a guest worker? H1b ? They can apply like everyone else. Illegal immigrants are criminals who break the law. Should not be here.

Name a right they gave taken away. You haven't.

Go read North from Mexico by Carey McWilliams. Then come back and offer more realistic opinions.

You guys always want to deflect to immigrants. Get rid of the illegal immigrants . People who legally immigrate here are citizens.

There's nothing wrong with trying to provide solutions to pollution.
The problem, if anything, I'd which choices we are picking and how inconvenient it actually is for people. I myself got annoyed when we banned straws and plastic bags in Oregon (mainly cuz I think wood is more important and it's resistant to rain, but I'm not really sure), but once they got rid of free bags entirely, I started to realize I really didn't need them that badly and 10 cents isn't so bad, yet still encourages me us to not overuse resources.
The idea that we should leave the environment to decay and not keep seeking methods to conserve and balance things out is lunacy.
Even if you ignore some environmental issues like climate change, we still have things like air pollution and the current mental health effects of little green in certain cities or areas.

Not to mention if we don't take care of the environmental, it will lead to more Ebola and coronavirus Chan's cropping up because certain microorganisms will be out of or in oversupply of certain hosts.
The environment is absolutely important. In fact, in a way, you could argue to the more conservative muh America right that this is unpatriotic because the logic of us all helping to keep the environment clean is the same logic "our founding father's intended" (really just the people, not those wealthy cunts) about voting; your vote matters in the same way that your impact on the environment matters

Now stop being an uncaring slob.

(That said, I can understand if you don't recycle properly since the recycling process requires energy resources and landfills can use certain types of debris like cardboard, actually or at least as I understand it...)

>llegal immigrants are criminals who break the law.
The current law doesn't even say that crossing the border is a crime.

Trump would change that law, and you'd go along with it.

Putting words in my mouth now. I don't have a problem with immigration, just with Muslims, low- IQ African trash, or the likes dragging us down to their level.

I am not a Drumf supporter so yeah sure.

So Obama was racist. No due process for the wall? I should have stopped reading after that. Now I know you trolling.

Those are all rights that are under fire by Republicans. They only care about right-wing white christian men.

And free speech? During the Bush Years if you dared to question attacking Iraq you were called a terrorist sympathizer.

And the left gas gone 10x farther to the left, more authoritarian as well

>Get rid of the illegal immigrants
They're by and large undocumented workers who came here because of the demand created by the people who hired them.
We're not going to "get rid" of them.

Nope. Not white. Live in border state. Illegals cost more money then they pay (if they do) in taxes. Have friends at work who are Hispanic , born and raised here. Guess what, they are against illegal immigrants.

so you're basically an Islamophobic racist.
>I am not a Drumf supporter
but you're ok with his bigoted policies towards muslims and non-whites

>And the left gas gone 10x farther to the left
no it hasn't dumbass
There is a progressive wing of the Democratic Party. That's it.
>more authoritiarian
they're not even in power dumbfuck
the Republicans are.

Stop parroting shit you read on Cred Forums

>Illegals cost more money then they pay in taxes
no they don't dumbfuck

>Islamophobic
Not a real thing. Thanks for proving how ignorant you ractually are.

Let me guess, some sad story about some poor family who came here illegally ? Do I have the right to steal food if I can't afford it?

>90+ replies to my thread
>"Hey look I actually started some disc-..."
>18 posters
Damn it....

based actual thought out opinion based on observations and reflection.
Keep doing you user, it's working great.

You're literally scared of people because they're Muslim. You're proving it's real.

you fucking faggot I'd cock slap you

Yes, I would and so would most every country in the world.

So it's ok to stoop to some other country's ideals instead of upholding our own?

Commie.

What's that got to do with anything? FDR supported fascism, and fascists admired his programs.

I'm talking about laws . You haven't provided one law that would inhibit free speech.

Ha ha ha ha

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>FDR supported fascism,
no he didn't dumbshit

WWII was a war to fight fascism

Yeah well you can't point to any laws the Democrats passed for that matter.
The Republicans are anti all those things I mentioned earlier, and would pass laws if given the chance,

Independent nonpartisan studies have shown that illegals take more. Google it but make sure you don't get confused between immigrants and illegal immigrants. Most of the liberal pro immigration webpages like to intermingle the two to suit their argument.

FDR praised Mussolini in letters exchanged through an envoy, and Mussolini in turn praised FDR. They saw each other as kindred spirits, and admired each other's policies.

Mussolini also started out as a socialist, fascism is directly derived from socialism.

These are all matters of public record, which 14 year olds like you should know.

You should illegally immigrate to Canada. What, they have laws against that and will deport you? What a racist country they must be.

Dear god you're a dumbass

Outlaw bags, straws, bug gulps...

Phobia means irrational fear in the psychological context. Key word "irrational."

If you know anything at all about the history of their vile murder cult then it is not at all irrational for civilised folk to want to avoid those people. I know our educational system is total ass but you could at least try to teach yourself what words mean before you use them.

They later fought, but they started admiring each other. Close kin can turn against each other, see any purge.

Hell, the Nazis originally loved FDR. This is from their newspaper, the Völkischer Beobachter:
>Roosevelt's adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies
and compared his leadership to Hitler's Führerprinzip

Conflating socialism with authoritarianism again.

I'm not conflating anything. I'm describing the origins of fascism. They're both rooted in the idea of central planning, which, yes, is totalitarian/authoritarian concept. But you knew that.

stfu FDR was a racist and coward

>Independent nonpartisan studies have shown that illegals take more.
No they haven't. Stop lying.

>invading Italy in 1943 was a special act of friendship

lol

I love how you fucking nazis always tell us that we have to do whatever stupid nazi shit other countries do instead of holding up our own principles.

Your phobia for Muslims is completely irrational. That's the point.

Yeah fuck them both, I don't bother. Fucking lunatics on both sides.

FDR told a White House correspondent that
>I am keeping in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman
in 1933. If you can't imagine how two totalitarians could have a less than amicable breakup over the course of 10 years, you must be a child.

So the Nazis loved FDR. What twisted logic makes FDR a fascist because they "loved" him?

>Good.
expert more to follow

>no we don't dumbass
yet

>some assault rifles, yes.
but don't expect to keep the rest forever

no need to thank me for fixing your post for you fam

user you're an idiot if you think FDR had any respect for Hitler or Mussolini by 1938.

No idea. You made that claim, not me, so it's your responsibility to justify it.

I just prefer to keep my head on my shoulders is all. Why don't you go take a long hike in Morocco, willfully ignorant fool.

>you must be a child
ok boomer
how's that prolapsed asshole? Did the bleeding finally stop?

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google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/opinion/immigration/439930-your-taxpayer-dollars-are-footing-the-spiraling-costs-of-illegal-immigration?amp
google.com/amp/s/www.thecentersquare.com/national/report-illegal-immigration-costs-taxpayers-billion-annually-californians-texans-floridians/article_f942e522-c5b0-11e9-93e6-0ff213e44ae5.amp.html
Not going to argue the sources, just the first ones when googling cost of illegal immigrants.

Didn't I explicitly just say they had a break up?
Yes, yes, I did. Which makes you the only idiot here.

>waste product and fatty drinks
>a "right"
>'Murika

not everbody likes stickings in their ass as much as you do, zoomer
enjoy the colostomy bag

I guess bill Clinton and Obama where Nazis with their anti illegal immigration policies. Good to know.

Repubs would outlaw the environment if they could. It hurts their profit margins.

You gun nuts suck. Every single atom of your existence hinges on whether someone's going to ban one of your stupid boomsticks.
Fuck you.

Everyone's a Nazi!

It's almost like they were in agreement on socialism, but not facism, hmm...

Shall not be infringed.

No I didn't. FDR was not a fascist.
The New Deal wasn't fascism.
Shut up.

Fascism emerged from socialism, it's the same strain of thought where everything needs to be centrally controlled.

And yet he and Mussolini praised each other, considered each other kindred spirits, and openly admired each other's policies and programs.

lolbertarian masterrace

Yeah you're real "level headed" looking over your shoulder every time you suspect a Muslim is trying to kill you
>ignorant fool
yeah I want to be so all knowing like you shitting my pants every time I see the name "Mohammad" lol

>washingtonexaminer.com
stop posting trumpshit

So they aren't the same? Very interesting.

That doesn't even mean anything. Plus we are talking about them taking away individual rights. You are actually making me sound like I'm defending them. I wish they would outlaw soda as well as cigerets. Our healthcare costs would go fiwn. I'm just looking to discuss facts.

>idiot
No I'm not the one with "FDR was a fascist" tattooed on my cock. That's you fathead.

Bernie Sanders will be the next President of the United States of America, and there is nothing you or the DNC can do to stop him.

We are witnessing, in real time, not only the death of the Democratic Party as we know it, but more importantly the dismantling of the two-party system that has long crippled our nation's advancement.

Thanks to all Trump voters, whether you love or hate Bernie, for getting the revolution started. It is time for us to finish the job.

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you like trump sticking his mushroom cock up your ass tho

Never said they were, you seem to have reading comprehension issues. But one is devived from the other, and they have many similarities.

That's a really sad comeback.

I honestly can't keep track anymore. That's why I just picked the first couple. They all said illegal immigrants are a drain. I could not find one that said illegal immigrants pay more in taxes then what they take out.

you should see a therapist, all these sexual thoughts about the president probably mean something
>like that you're a fag

It's good to know you weren't old enough to know that in both cases the Republicans controlled Congress and were more powerful than any Presidency.

In a well-regulated militia. You don't belong to one.

Basically this.

We went to war with Italy. Shut up.

Is that him? Imagining going back in time and telling that young man that he will be unemployed until the age of 40. Then he will be elected mayor if a small town followed by being in Congress for 20 years where your main accomplishments will be renaming a post office and some road. You will run for the president of the us twice . And lose. That would blow what little mind he had even before all the pot.

Doesn't say that. Learn to read English, they're two distinct clauses.

Hashtag #triggered by the dank left

>yeah but durr FRD wuz a fashist i haz proofs
You should have shut up when you were corrected the first time. Then we wouldn't have to have had this embarrassing back and forth.

And yet FDR and Mussolini still praised each other. Later events can't change the past.

you say environmental damage, which is vague and generic.. pollution and damage to ocean is a real threat, and you won't find disagreement on that from the right, "man-made global warming" does not fall into this category; its just part of an excuse to centralise power over everything.

Alex Jones and Glenn Beck give a shit about gay marriage, are you sure? Sounds like fake news to me. the left has radicalised itself by creating insane issues like "trans-rights" that deserve to preemptively rewrite the beliefs of everyone in society.

you are purposefully choosing not to evaluate things properly, to fabricate a cynical position, which as far as I can, is clearly more contaminated from its leftist echo-chamber origins.

Just watch timcast on YouTube and arrive at more reasonable judgements, your edgy cynicism is pretty pretentious.

It's good to know that you can look back at their own speeches and see they where for sending illegal immigrants back home because they take away low skilled jobs from the US citizens who need them.

Because they are authoritarian thought police

you are a massive idiot.

Are you really this childish and incapable of coming up with anything resembling a coherent argument?

Do you for some reason think that the dependent clause isn't related to the independent, you absolute fucking tard?

Yes it does gun nut. One phrase depends on the other. You gun nuts leave out the rest of the language because you know damn well it means we can take away weapons from civilians.

this is why BERNIE 2020 needs to happen

Lol you are deluded to the maximum.Their holy book teaches them that non-muslims are lesser people and that it is not a crime to kill or enslave them as they are spoils of war. And I am the intolerant one for thinking that is an abhorrent ideology? How dare you even claim to be a liberal person when you can with a straight face defend people who treat women as property and regularly execute gays vigilante style in the street? It's precisely because I hold liberal values that I don't want those people anywhere near my society. It isn't a race or nationality that they were born with and can't control, but a toxic set of beliefs that they chose to forceably prosthelyze. They do not belong in the west.

Yet I actually know a few basic facts from history, and you clearly don't. What does that make you?

and yet nothing
by the mid 1930s whatever "praise" you speak of had become its opposite.

That means "shut up."

It's good to know that you can't take criticism, can't admit when you're wrong, and that you insist on still blaming Democrats for Republican xenophobic border policy.

>There is a progressive wing of the Democratic Party. That's it.
That's the 10x farther. Theh are placating the Progs, shifting all party policy.

Here you go, tardbois. Here's the full text, clearly showing you're wrong to anyone who learned some basic grammar in grade school.
>A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
(Does NOT say you have to be in a militia. Just says a militia is a justification for why it shall not be infringed.)

Ok then you are a different person than who initially responded or you are retarded. It's one of the two.

Are you the same person who constantly joins threads like these, can't keep up their end of a conversation, and then just starts telling people to shut up shut up?

Because I have a hard time believing more than one person could be this stupid.

No shithead. It's because idiots like you can't behave, so someone has to pass a law to stop the stupid thing you think you have a right to do.

No, you're the one who's retarded. Go drool to your mommy.

Facts hurt your fee fees? Hopefully mommy has a safe space for you in her basement.

I did. FDR wasn't a fascist, his New Deal wasn't fascist or based on fascism.
You: >hurr durr yes he was durr they admired each other DURR KICK ME
>KICK ME KICK ME KICK ME KICK ME
lol

Bloomberg is taking up the mantle.

checks calendar... oh shit its only February

im thinking how spicy these boys gonna get come october - yo we got months to go

in the back of your minds that lingering feeling you won because of hillary and less because people care about Donald

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Banning plastic straws and plastic bags was an empty feel good gesture. It proves that the left doesn't actually care about the environment or climate change.
Paper bag production creates far more pollutants and contributes far more to climate change than plastic bags, if they get any food or chemical waste on them they are no longer recyclable, and as such Sit in landfills where they are even worse than plastic bags. Paper straws have all of the pitfalls As bags but come into contact with other pollutants and that makes them almost never recycled.

How is HRC more right-wing than Trump?

user, 3 billion muslims aren't trying to kill you. Your hatred is based on an irrational fear, and if anything, you neo-nazi wannabes are the real threat to this country, threatening violence against innocents fleeing a war-torn country. You should be ashamed of yourself user.

That's your idea of a rational argument? Did you ride the short bus?

Fascism is based on socialism, FDR's Brain Trust and his own beliefs (at least after he was elected; he wasn't exactly an ideologue) drew heavily from socialism. The two are strongly related.

>durr guns durrr durrr
not everything revolves around your stupid hobby gunshit

The political compass is next to worthless.

this has to be bait imagine actually thinking this lol

I don't know, but you needed to shut up once your argument was answered. You're still talking shit.

Never owned a gun in my life, I'm just capable of reading a single sentence and figuring out what it means.

hey donald supporters you gonna get out and canvas your neighborhood right. Have some meetings. Phone call for the big daddy. This is an election you know.

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Facts should have shut you up trumpshit.
The Republicans controlled Congress during Obama and Clinton's terms when the fascist border policy started. That means blaming Democrats makes you look like a Republican cockgobbler.

>fascism is based on socialism
no it isn't dipshit
for the love of god stop posting

No more hurr durrs? Oh c'mon, just one for old times sake. I want to see you back in top debating form.

You cherry-picked a bunch of generalizations.

So the Republicans doctored the videos where Clinton and Obama said illegal immigration was bad? You are brainwashed .

>durr RDF wuz a fashusht
>i haz fax durr
>i kint shut up
lol

It certainly is. Mussolini was originally a socialist, and that's clearly where he got his ideas. Read a history book.

>not even in power
>not authoritarian
Retard. Policy and current position are completely separate.

>Clinton and Obama said illegal immigration was bad
They literally never made statements to this effect. All your side does is lie. And hate. And cheat to "win."

You're the same retard who always tells people to shut up, aren't you?
kek

You are either historically illiterate or you don't know what "irrational" means. Trying to conquer Europe and the entire world since the 7th century, atrocious human rights violations in every country where they are a majority, and you still see them as the poor downtrodden victims. Nothing I or anybody else can say will ever get through to somebody this removed from reality.

>Read a history book.
sorry Mein Kampf was checked out of the library. Can I borrow your autographed copy?

Borrow this, you'll find it uncanny how closely it describes you

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>be op
>present clumsy attempt at pretending to be centrist

k

No, I'm just not an Islamophobic dipshit like you believing 3 billion law abiding Muslims are trying to kill me. Grasp your cock tighter.

Gee I wonder why some people don't take the science seriously.

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ok frogposter
go put on your nazi uniform now and jack off

Left is also pro war.

>amnesty isn't open borders

no shit, but it's not far from it.
by offering amnesty, you're emboldening further unskilled trash tumbling over the border

reagan gave amnesty in the 80s and look what that got us: more people ignoring the border and our laws.

also, yeah, they /do/ want open borders because, without them, they wouldn't have enough morons to elect them.
it is in their interest to have millions of foreigners with no allegiance to the country to have voting rights.
that fact alone should make some people wise up, but i'm sure you'll quadruple down on dumbness and faggotry in your reply.
looking forward to it.

>Be right-wing
>Start turning towards stupid extreme bullshit like entirely and categorically denying environmental damage thereby promoting fear on both sides while also eliminating natural balancing forces for this discussion

So for that to be true, there would need to be a group of people pushing climate change down people's throats to justify a "discussion" right, faggot?

"Give us your shekels or the world will end in a decade, Goyim!"

They've been pulling that shit since the 70s, eat shit.

Both sides are mentally retarded hillbillies trying to act morally superior by whatever excuse or reason their idiot brain was implanted by their ideological group of absolute autistic fascists all the while calling each other words that can easily apply to both of them, like racist, sexist. They're both fucking retarded with a complex of superiority but neither of them have the brain cells to vote for someone that isn't just a talking air-head willing to backpedal on their views the moment they actually make presidency.

Of course not all will try to kill me. But all will be glad that I'm dead.

I only vote republican because I want to keep my guns and I don't want the country I live in to be lowkey invaded by immigrants. I would vote democrat if the democrats didn't want open borders, socialism, and to revoke my human rights.

Funny cause the ones grabbing up the most sheckles are the ones shilling the most desperately against environmental protection.

>you're a commie!
>you're a Nazi!
Sigh. At least pick one.

Barak Obama:
“We are a generous and welcoming people here in the US, but those who enter the country illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of law and they are showing disregard for those who are following the law,” Obama says in the tweeted clip.

“We simply cannot allow people to pour into the US undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently and lawfully to become immigrants in this country,”

Bill Clinton:
"All Americans, not only in the states most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers. That's why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens. In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace... We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it."

Actually, if I have fabricated a cynical position and wasn't just being cynical, it's because I'm frustrated and wanted to see people talk.
I spent a lot of time looking into a bunch of dumb shit that didn't really go anywhere. Someone sent me off on this crazy chase for information about Islam that I still haven't fully resolved, but now don't really care much about.
Naturally, from there I've been reading all kinds of crazy Cred Forums shit, especially since the only places I was looking into then were Cred Forums, YouTube, the far right fringes.

I'm not that well educated in history or politics. In highschool, I for some reason didn't see benefit in history and didn't care for politics. This follows me into college where I no longer have electives to spare and I've seen so much propaganda, I'm not sure I trust the classes.

Also, I didn't mean to say Beck and Jones specifically did/didn't believe such. I haven't looked much into Glenn or Jones, admittedly just that I've heard them go off on weird stuff and my point was supposed to be on the right broadly. You might be right that my views are echo-chamber incluenced. I want to get help escaping that. Maybe I haven't done enough yet.

A lot of the right-wing stuff I've seen seem to come from the far farcorners of the right. I also do still hold a lot of center-left views.

Maybe I'm misinformed, but at least I got you to respond. Cred Forums doesn't do that.

I'm more into science than politics, but I realize now that not knowing is causing more problems when I'm surrounded by far-left propaganda like cynicism about college and a desire to resolve the cynisim towards the far-left and/or the issue itself plus my go-to site being Cred Forums, I've been exposed to the craziest shit first. Like actual nazis. I've been confused about trustworthy sources. After viewing some anti-semite shit I thidnk I see value in examining even the far-left sometimes.
So IDK. I'd like to think I'm trying. Maybe I just don't like politics.

>especially since the only places I was looking into then were Cred Forums
>YouTube
>the far right fringes
Don't do that.
>I'm not that well educated in history or politics
>I've seen so much propaganda
>I'm not sure I trust the classes
>I haven't looked much into
Don't do that.

A man of science shouldn't have these problems.

Things of change since that speech. Now the demand to hire illegals has resulted in over 12 million of them here in the United States where they are welcome where they do work that is off in the back bone of many communities economically. Clinton was a centrist Democrat that was more like a Republican but even so he was enacting policy that the right wing Republicans insisted on. Policy that you agree with. Policy that needs to stop.

That might be true, but Republicans don't want policy. They want a fucking wall.

Didn't it blow down earlier?

I agree

No we aren't dipshit.

Some are. There's no one monolithic "we".

Actually no, you're just a scared little basement dweller who has never met or will never meet a Muslim in your entire life. Enjoy sucking trumps cock.

Yes there is dipshit you claimed that the left generally is pro war. You're full of fucking shit.

Substandard merchandise. Like everything Trump has sold in his whole life.

Anyone who sees the weird 15% of sjw pink haired fat women as representative of all Democrats is clearly uninformed. Lots of blue collar labor types and centrists lean blue because of the social policy takeover of the right.

I agree but the thing is those but jobs are far more represented in the media. Twitter is extremely far left and the media extrapolates that that is representative of not only Democrats but of the entirety of the electorate.

So open borders? Fuck off asshole. You've been proven wrong. Change the argument, proven wrong again. You make shit up and dance around facts posted. It's just orange man said it, we must believe the exact opposite because we can't have him ever be right or successful.

One guy wants the wall. He didn't get it.

Or, if there was fewer illegals those jobs would demand higher wages. Yes onions would cost more and hotels a bit more too or the incomes at the top would be brought down to offset.

No dipshit. Nobody including myself is pushing for open borders

you need to shut the fuck up if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about

So you're still a trumpshit even though it's pretty obvious he's a criminal and the Republicans in the Senate are covering for his crimes?

You might not be, but a number of my friends are far left and support it. The far left supports it in kind. AOC wants to get rid of literally everything that protects our border. They are pro open border but refuse to say it.

There is literally no correlation user.

Nobody running for office currently supports open borders user. And it is disingenuous of you to assume that everybody who opposes Trump's policies does.

Are you a troll?

I didn't, user. An user did. Even then, I'm not entirely sure what you said user did, is what user did. It definitely isn't what I did. Again, it'd be foolish to think that there's some monolithic group that goes "on the left". The idea that an entire demographic can or must be generalized into this one entity, that can only ever have one opinion, is beyond ridiculous. Read the reply again, user.

Some are. Some. I hope the word "some" doesn't mean "everyone" to you.

>Yes there is dipshit
And I sincerely hope you're not trying to argue that it's perfectly fine to think that there can literally only ever be 2 kinds of people in this world. How many people could care about what politician, of any persuasion, votes in favor of war or war-oriented activities? Could anyone, on average, even name a few? Few usually do. I'm not jazzed to see you seemingly argue for the purity of the blue flag.

The Democratic primaries are a prime example of why that's wrong, and that's not even the half of it.

CIS is also an anti-immigration "think" tank run by a racist.

I'm not the same user as the other convo. I never said ANY of that. My way of talking should have tipped you off that I am a different person. No presidential candidate supports open borders. Doesn't change the fact that some in the house and Senate support it.

Listen dipshit. You have no evidence that the preponderance of undocumented workers affects wages in any way. That means "shut up."

You quoted the wrong person already.

ECONOMICS STUDY IT RETARD.

Nobody fucking cares user except for buttmad xenophobic dipshits. Is that how you want to be remembered?

No. Admit you're a fucking making shit up because brown people scare you. Admit it. Admit it trumpshit

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Shut up troll. Reported.

Shut up faggot.

Kind of hard to tell. You're both total dipshits.

Touche, nigger.

You're bad at this.

How good do I have to be to put you in your place?

Their measurements need to refine both accuracy and precision, but PC is a praiseworthy first step in defining the terms we so cavalierly toss around. PC also allows us to visualize the insidious creeping into far-right authoritarianism that corporate donations have imposed on both blue- and red-flavored politicians.

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Very good. To a fault.

It's not worth your time or effort.

Yes it is. Because you probably believe that
1. Border crossers are bad people
2. Muslims are trying to kill you.

Which (You) does this best describe?

Neither. I don't believe people who cross the borders are automatically bad. I actually don't think about them that often. Same goes for the sand people.

Who... do you think I am, user? I've given you plenty of context clues from the way I structure my sentences alone. Why do you seem to think I'm a stormfag? You can't be that tone-deaf.

Sorry to have to break this to you, but the guys you've been voting for have been the ones who created the immigration problem and who continue to benefit from it. They know that undocumented workers can be exploited in ways that legal workers cannot be.

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You made a blanket statement earlier about the left being "pro war"--which is total bullshit – – you were corrected it on this and instead of acknowledging your error you doubled down on it. That's why I'm jumping your shit.

Fuck you frogposter. The Democrats did not "create" the immigration problem nor are they acting like a total fascists in addressing it.

>You made a blanket statement earlier about the left being "pro war"
No, no, I didn't. I'd actually tried to tell you twice that this idea was incompatible with both of my replies condemning the use of the word "we", alongside a not-so-vague jab at bastions of faith, hyper-partisanship, party purity, all those great things. But... you want to keep running with that idea.

I can't help you. I just want you to know that I can't even be mock-offended by this. It's like you pointed at Trump's head, and screamed "Obama's got big ears".

>That's why I'm jumping your shit
And that's how I know you're a long ways away from home.

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People who live here near the border know that the wall was built ages ago by the Bush Family Wehrmacht.
The last phase was during Baby Bush's administration. Toward the end they were pushing almost as petulantly as the Barking Pumpkin, trying to seize private lands and protected ecosystems by means of eminent domain. They received more than a thousand lawsuits in consequence, many of which continue to be unresolved to this day.
Because of all that work, EWIs (entry without inspection, i.e. wetbackery) went down and both migrant deaths and official corruption skyrocketed long before the World's Bigliest Inauguration.
The Great Wall is really just a con game. Like selling folks a bridge to Brooklyn.

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Absolute dumbass

So, but real talk, are middle eastern Muslims different from Western Muslims? Please answer in detail.
I'm not trying to be bigoted and I know how it sounds, but I genuinely don't know that a culture cannot exist that widely disrespects women, hates the west, etc for religious reasons. I wouldn't hate these people or think they are all the same, but I have to know...
Which position is ignorant? Are they both ignorant?
How do I know? How can I possibly look into this when it deals with something like religion?

I don't think Sharia law makes sense. I know not all Muslims believe in sharia law, but which ones? How did Muslims, Christians, and Jews get along in Israel before the Zionists started to want to have a state there?
Is it true that there have been en English surge in rapes?

Give me some search terms? Who do I trust? Who do I give ad revenue? How can I possibly fucking anything about anything any more?

I've heard people from Israel say that they need feminism in their country, but not the west and that hijabs were basically like nun outfits. At least, that's what Hila said when I used to think H3H3 wasn't asinine.

How bad is it really? If it is bad, are there other parallels in history that we can point to make this idea of a cazy rape culture fuckfest seem like something that could be real?
Or is this just like the Jews in WW2?

WHY AM I EVEN CONFUSED ABOUT THIS??

2/?

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This is the face of r/pol

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Jesus how many brain cells did you lose while typing that?

>be American
>have only two legit choices for 200 years
>think there really is legitimate freedom in your country
>don't move
your fault bro

EDUCATE YOURSELF

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Bernie is the worst of all of them
I would rather any racist liar be president by a country mile

so we should believe you because you're an expert?

this guy is right

>open borders
We should, in fact, avoid using that term altogether. It reifies a fallacy while also evoking an irrational emotional response.
The term is at least as dishonest as is "pro-life" instead of "anti-abortion".
Maybe "controlled immigration" could make a suitable substitute?

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All assault rifles have been banned since before you were born.

I'm 100% a proponent of controlled immigration. Alot of Europes problems right now are a result of uncontrolled immigration I'm more ways than one.

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XD it's the policies! They're out to get me again! The evil horrible policies!

get over it

Are you a fucking racist?

No, but having insular groups that don't mesh with society at large due to conflicting cultures is bad for the group and the whole.

islam is a religion, not a race
you can't call him racist for disliking people that made a choice to believe something and follow a tradition
he's allowed to judge people on their choices and beliefs
YOU are the moron here

>frogposter
?

The Dems don't get a free pass on immigration issues, policies, or enforcement. They have been equally culpable (albeit not as rabid) in the past. It's just that they now look like saints when compared to the unbounded cruelty of Stephen Miller and Donny Dummkopf.

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So you're interested in the bridge, too? I can make you a good price.

Nice little shorthand for you. If their holy book says they get special rules because their deity says so, then they're all out-grouping fuckwits. This applies to virtually every sect of every Abrahamic religion. Viscious, small minded, fools. Just learn to seperate the ones for whom it is a core devotion to be ingrouped from those who understand it as a set of principles to inform moral behavior.

Bernie Sanders will be the next President of the United States of America, and there is nothing you or the DNC can do to stop him.

We are witnessing, in real time, not only the death of the Democratic Party as we know it, but more importantly the dismantling of the two party system that has long crippled our nation's advancement.

Thank you to all Trump voters, whether you love or hate Bernie, for getting the revolution started. It is time for us to finish the job.

They don't say open borders but all the policies are just that. Don't be so stupid. You guys can't handle facts so you start dancing around wordplay and try and change the argument. Tell me what is right about someone not following the law and just doing what they want? Poor people aren't allowed to steal food. Why are illegals exempt from laws?

Red vs Blue keeps you from being pissed at Yellow. Pay no attention to the Yellow man behind the curtain. Continue fighting amongst yourselves.

Again, you can't counter with facts so just throw out general accusations that have nothing to do with the conversation. Don't like trump. Don't like any of the DNC darlings. None of them care about you.

Because laws are a white man's creation to oppress minorities. Because niggers and brown people can't be expected to follow laws. (An actual argument I've seen, and it rephrased with the intent on tact)

Every Democrat on the debate stage raised their hand when asked if they would support free universal healthcare for illegal immigrants. Several have called for elimination of ice. Several have called to stop deportations. Call it what you want. I don't agree.

> Tell me what is right about someone not following the law and just doing what they want?
See this is why people call Republicans hypocrites. You guys really seem to care about the rules as they apply to immigrants yet continuously ignore all the laws Trump and other Republicans have broken. And FYI, no democrats are in favor of open boarders save for a few radicals like AOC. (almost) All democrats have called for a path to citizenship for DACA recipients and increased boarder funding. They want to compromise and increase boarder protections while providing a path for some of the existing illegals (most of which have been here their whole lives) to become citizens.

That's what they campaigned on before Trump ran. Afterwards they went against everything he was for.

Didn't say they get a free pass. Dems might have been weak in the past in terms of vocalizing their moral compass on immigration, but no longer. You can't make that comparison anymore.

Sanctuary cities, eliminate ice, no detention, no depletions, local law enforcement can't notify immigration if an illegal immigrant gets arrested for a felony, free healthcare for illegals, free college for illegals, voting rights for illegals, drivers liscences for illegals, they even tried to pass a law years ago that would allow illegals to collect social security. All of that is an incentive to come here. We don't need a wall. We just need to follow thru with the laws we have including prosecuting those that hire them. Problem will take care if itself.

For the most part I agree with OP. I finally found a way to be a Democrat without having to worry about attacking the 2nd Amendment though. I am joining a couple of gun rights organizations, by doing this and participating in gun rallies I am fighting gun control while still supporting the left.
When it comes to universal healthcare, affordable college and so on I agree with Bernie Sanders, but when it comes to gun control I am completely against that. I am a hardcore pro-gun Democrat and yes we do exist, but unfortunately we are a minority.

>They don't say open borders but all the policies are just that.
stop lying frogposter

Stop. No one's going to read your homework.

They're not trojan horses, they're just retarded, out of touch fuckwits. They haven't lived or experienced American life the way a citizen actually has, and they have no clue what typical stress a 30 year old has to go through day-to-day for affordable, basic standards of living. More than ever, American politics has started to really look like the elite up on pedestals trying to grip your vote, Trump and in-fighting democratic morons alike.

user you could have just said "yes, I support Trump even though he is a criminal whose crimes were covered up by the Republican Senate." Boom. Done. Instead you had to try and suck your own cock didn't you?

None of those things mean "supporting open borders" user. Words mean things.

Already read this whole book A few years ago and got straight A's. Maybe if you read something you wouldn't be an insufferable retarded cunt.

user, anyone who lives and works here is entitled to those things.
> We just need to follow thru with the laws we have including prosecuting those that hire them
Except they're people who vote Republican and donate large sums of money. Why rock the boat when you can point to brown people as the "real" criminals?

I know you stay STEM because you're bitterly annoyed that anything else is useless LiBcUcK shit, but you're an idiot for thinking even STEM degrees earn many job placements these days, and just outright ignorant for thinking arts degrees are simultaneously useless and should be paid for. Are you really dumb enough to make learning the arts an upper-middle/elite class thing? Or even stupider to think it should be removed entirely? Horribly thought out opinion, user. Australia does a smart thing where we use TAFE (aka. Tertiary education for retards) to deliver free courses to basic labourer fields that are in high demand, like infrastructure or hospitality, so they can fill those vacancies.

Then you must realize that the 2nd is not absolute, and that we can ban some dangerous weapons while still respecting the right to bear arms?

Jesus are you dumb. I am not a republican and calling me that doesn't negate anything. Because I am against illegal immigration that means I am a hypocrite republican who must atone for every fucking crime committed by any republican politician. Throw them all in jail, including the Democrat politicians who do exactly the same. I have all the sympathy in the world for the dreamers. They grew up here , went to US schools and should be given a path to become citizens. I have no sympathy for the illegal immigrants who brought them here . They have vastly contributed to this problem and should be held accountable.

Unironically this. People still don't understand how incredibly good Trump, as a device, was for the country. The system needed this jarring, forceful thorn to ache both parties so entrenched with their self-cyclical nepotism. Whether Americans figure it out or not, Trump v Bernie would be the most freedom they've ever had in their lives. Unfortunately your kike media would also paint it as the ultimate GOOS v EVIL shit ever.

It really is scarry how they changed course overnight. Not even sure who captains the thought boat.

>brown people are a huge problem
>scary
they're actually not
the problem is you believed Trump's bullshit the first time about how they're not "the best people" and it sounds like you're about to again

>trump
Well let him be a good device in prison
I want to find out he was somebody's bitch
besides putin's

>allowed to dislike for religious beliefs
But you can be bigoted against a religion. You can disgree with it's specific beliefs, but you shouldn't dislike it's people and when broadly defined, major religions differ significantly not just between sects but between people walking out of the same mosque/church/temple.
This isn't to say they can't be inherently faulted, but people are more complex than their religion.

In fact, I think that's too narrow; I think even communists and anarchists, while they are obviously bad at some things and shouldn't be put in certain positions, are not people we should dislike. It is the idea that's the problem, not the entire person.
If they're attacking you or inciting something, then it's different. But really, we need to be careful about when it is justified to outwardly dislike a person.

I suppose it is within a person's legal rights and humanly understandable to dislike someone and to voice that thought, but at least generally speaking, it isn't exactly a good thing for anyone.