Only an absolute fucking idiot votes for Bernie Sanders

Russian hackers running scared - this thread proof. Go suck some cold beet soup Ivan!

Nice dubs, and you aren't wrong.

>hackers
>openly posts in a free to all forum board
Pick one

Not sure how people trust a guy who made millions selling socialism.

I choose Ben Richards. He's one mean motherfucker.

Step one is to be someone who doesn't immediately lose their shit when someone says the word 'socialist' Look at Europe, especially Scandinavia. They beat the fuck out of the U.S. in every 'best country in the world' list you'll see, and they have policies that lean socialist. It turns out - this is nuts, but hear me out - you can mix things together and get something usable and even great when you do so. Who knew?

retard alert retard alert woowoowoo ahhh hahaha this guy is a fucking retard lmaooooo

Anyway....... Yale study just came out that shows Bernies plan specifically would save 70k lives a year and nearly 500billion dollars a year. Not voting for Bernie Sanders is a vote against your own well being you dumb fucking niggers

...

bankies on suicide watch. still time to join team guillotine

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I am voting for Bernie because he pisses off all the media kikes. They really don't like it when making the argument that 'Jewish power is a conspiracy theory' becomes impossible.

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given how far right we swung with trump/pence and the gutting of the american institutions, stuffing the judiciary with hard right nutjobs, fucked the EPA in the year, deregulated the shit out of everything and smashed up the DOJ, Education and everything else, itd be interesting to see what a massive swing the other way would do.

i left the US so it dont mean shit to me.

>Yale study
Sure, those are always spot on. Just like the faggot that did a "peer reviewed study" about The Last Jedi being disliked due to "Russian interference." It was all a "political move". It's all bullshit. All of it.

Only an absolute idiot thinks the rich shouldn't be taxed appropriately.

All throughout history, the more assets you had the more liability they became to defend from marauders, both local and foreign. Now, in the USfA, we have socialism for rich people. They can have all they money they want and disproportionately have to pay less. Only in modern times can the rich sit on their ass thinking poor people should be taxed disproportionately more for owning and maintaining less.

The modern world has gone fucking nuts and dumb fucking capitalists have gone full fucking retard socialist. Bernie calls this shit out.

I don’t know if you’re aware of this or not but, there are a lot of idiots out there bro. I’ll tell you a secret bro, voting is for idiots. A vote for any candidate is a vote against your best interest. You think your vote counts? You think your vote will keep away the people you’ve been brainwashed not to like? You think that vote will make your prosperous? Does it make you popular at parties? The answer is no. Because no one fuckin cares who you vote for.

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Oh, shit, I was going to vote for him but now you say that that would make me an absolute fucking idiot. I don't want to be an absolute fucking idiot! I guess I'll just vote for Trump, fagnog.

>thought I had something intelligent to say
>I didn't
>Sorry I disappointed you anons
>My parents can relate

Bernie dies

here we go again with the "lol rigorous peer reviewed studies aren't real but my feelings are." Not to mention there is a whole body of evidence supporting this study, like uh every other country that has healthcare
You are so pathetically inept you bring up starwars jesus christ NEVER try to engage in a political discussion EVER again, you are literally ruining everything for the rest of us, fuck off

The political landscape looks the way it does because only old white women vote. If the youth voted america would look entirely different. Especially in local elections where the turn out is a fucking abysmal 20% in some places

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Kek. Never thought of it that way

thank you comrade
wat tiem is it in Siberia?

True

ohhhhh.... im going to trigger you in 9 months

gonna need some citations for this “tHe RiCh DoNt PaY tHeIr FaIr ShArE” claim

here we go again with the “lol i only believe the studies that support my narrative”

That doesn't explain how people get past him using them to make money. The dude doesn't even want to be president. He just wants to keep running to getting funds in order to fly around in jets, eat fancy meals, and meet celebrities.

Your wrong.

BERNIE 2020!

Bernie is a millionaire. He is the rich 1%. What is stopping him from paying more taxes than he owes? Why doesn't he lead by example?

user. He is way too OLD, way too WHITE, way to STRAIGHT, and way to MALE, To be president of this country. are you really gonna vote for a straight white old man after all the damage they have caused?

dems mantra: do as i say, not as i do

There are zero studies that support the opposite

He doesn’t even pay his staff $15 and hour like he touts should be the minimum wage. He doesn’t believe his own shit for a second

Yes

You morons can't spell Trump right.

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like i said.. zero studies that support your narrative. you’re just as guilty as the other guy

I'll take the better healthcare please

There are also lots of independents voting for him in primaries who have every intention of voting for Trump in the election. It'll be fun to expose the corrupt DNC again and watch them fuck his tired old ass out of the nomination, and it'll piss the media off once again, too.
If the DNC does the right thing (lol never gonna happen) then maybe Bernie runs and makes a raving fool of himself on the campaign trail like he did at the debate last night.

"Like I said"

Blah blah blah. Your advice is about as Sage as a MLP Larping thread

Even if he did win the primary, he'd find a reason to bow out and let the other guy run against Trump.

This coming from a samefag who doesn't call out hyprocrisy of his own political cocksucking.

Anyway, as one orange man said (I know, it's not PC to call people orange, black, etc here), make a law against it.

So murricans, who you think will be the winner of the next election?

No you!!!!!

Trump.

The DNC split into two parties, Liberals and Progressives. They will not win with 1/4 votes each.

Whoever gets the second most votes

Trump wants to build a wall. All his houses have walls.

Trump wants to keep terrorists out. Didn't import any terrorists.

Trump wants to drain the swamp. Hires and fires a crap load of people.

Trump wants more money and less taxes. He lowers taxes and makes more money.

Is there somethin' i missed?

ok boomer

Yeah, like how people called it last time. Don't underestimate the amount of populace fed up with the bullshit by now.

True. Electoral College is like "Equal Opportunity" bullshit. Yeah, so the rights of the majority can't supercede the minority, I get it. Republicans don't realize that EO bullshit's saving their asses.

“like i said”

proved my point that you only think studies that support your narrative exist. your hypocrisy exposed and all you have to say is “blah blah blah” sit down and take your L

I bet you keep this around because you don't have jaw or chin

Electoral votes are still votes, and you need the most.

Most people are republican. They just don't vote since they live in a blue state, which electoral votes go to the blue candidate. If it was a direct democracy republicans would win every time since all of CA and NY electoral votes wont go to the democrat.

> found the criminal republican traitor

White people need to vote in the interest of white people!

And yet youve convinced no one

Obama did the same but he didn't virtue signal about it. No matter how you argue, if your end goal is maximized enjoyment so you are free from anyone who gives you the slightest amount of offense, it's degeneracy.

Sometimes you need what hurts you, not what makes you feel all warm and cozy. All kingdoms fall when they try to maximize pleasure and feel that no one should or could hurt them. Also I can't tell if your post is troll or not. It's filled with as many lies as your average cock-sucking politician.

Also fuck this site. It's not the 8 year old edgy kids here that suck, necessarily, it's having to find crosswalks, hyrants and shit for the google botnet. Fuck captchas.

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>not realising california has one of the largest republican populations

Its the winner take all rules in most states that cause this discrepency. The electoral votes should be given to candidates based on the percentage of votes the candidate got.

He isn't White. God you people are fucking stupid. He is a Jew. Stop calling him White.

of course not. that’s how programmed you are.

>obama did the same but didn’t virtue signal
are you people seriously serious or is this just bait

Yeah, I call bullshit. Republicans lost the popular vote by 3 million. I know, maybe you can't math, but 3 million is more than not 3 million.

>I'm not the rube, you're the rube

Excellent argument m8

ok boomer

“there are ZERO studies that can prove against it”

clearly you prefer being influenced rather than informed so yes in other words a rube

Fucking serious. When it comes to virtue signalling, trying to appear virtuous, no one beats the religious right. When it comes to being sjw's, no one beats them either. They'll find something to appear virtuous for and something to be offended by, no matter what. If any party has people who try to appear as goody-goody virtue signallers who do no wrong, it's the cons.

Or maybe they actually have morals to stand on. It is not virtue signaling if you actually have virtuous beliefs.

>get minimum wage of $15 an hour
>gets taxed 50% of wages
OOF

Kek my sides. They just don't come any more gullible than you

he'll probably do well, then. enough absolute idiots already voted for trump so there's a lot of guaranteed votes.

also, reminder that trump is owned by jews. good job you snowflake right swingers.

Didn't realize this was a YLYL thread

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>doesn't understand tax scaling

>I'll take the better healthcare
>better
No country with a single payer system is doing particularly well.

Can't wait til you old fuckers are too old to take care of yourselves and a conservative president comes back around and cuts the shit out of your social security and Medicare so you have to eat cat food every other day becauseyour stocks crashed again and you're poor and starving, with no safety net, and your kids won't be able to afford to house you either, their income will be tied up with housing and feeding themselves in a volatile bubble market, sorry grandpa better strap up those bootstraps again.

Old wrinkly fucking dumbasses

Most of these low IQ idiots don't know that raising the minimum wage does nothing but raise prices. Everybody has to raise their prices to offset the higher labor cost. You gain nothing.

>doesn't understand inflation or FED rates

>trump is owned by jews

This is unironically true. It's actually pretty refreshing to see a Jew (Sanders) talk shit about Israel

IT JUST WORKS

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Just keep twisting and squirming. Also don't forget to squint.

Most of us old fucker aren't worried about it because we own our homes and were smart enough to put back for hard times.

Lol. Closing yourself off in your own little safespace where immoral things can't hurt you is the definition of degeneracy, not to mention the hypocrisy so thick it can't enter the heads of its hosts who often are even more thick-headed.

Be kind to one another is a form of degeneracy. No one grows strong when we're nice to one another. Go back to a site where you can have your own safespace, your own moral code and nothing can hurt your delicate ass.

This is why we need to raise minimum wage AND tax value added to the largest corporations and return it to the taxpayers as a dividend payment

>How we afford universal healthcare?!?!

Because a strong trickle up economy will happen when you invest in education and healthcare, the net positives in the long run will outweigh the costs. Increasing incomes increases flow into taxes, like you stated, scaling, taxing higher for the richer and lower for the poorer obviously. So like I said, of you have a stronger, wealthier, healthier base of the system, the positive momentum will come full circle within a couple/few generations.

How is this a hard concept to understand?

And yet you cling to the identity politics that are attempting to castrate you before the eyes of your children

You could use this same argument for executive bonuses, that if you took them away the money will just come out another way in wages. You can make all kinds of excuses on why poor people can't have more and that things will adjust again to equalize just like you can make the argument that all other economic decisions will later equalize.

But only a poorcuck who's convinced he should be ashamed of not having much money would use this argument, that or a low IQ idiot or possibly a sociopath who's daddy gave him monies.

I'm just saying corporate America is ruining the country.

I think maybe you are totally misundetstanding what I meant. A progressive tax only reaches 50% when you're already filthy fucking rich. Your average joe won't be taxed that high was my only point

I hope you get cancer.

FPBP
/thread

And they will just pass the VAT on to the consumer. The only way any of your communist/socialist gimmicks work is if the government seizes control and place price caps and control on the whole country. That is the beginning of the end because it is not sustainable.

I am the hacker known as Four Chan.

Not if I blow my brains out first.

Checkmate atheists

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The usa already spends an incredable high number of tax dollers per student compaired to other k-12 countrys.
Its not the amount were spending, its how its being spend and how kids are being taught.
Im all for better education but the problem is way bigger than "just throw money at it." Until that paradim changes neither will our education system.

Dude that's classic trolling

I was sarcastically asking a question like some typical conservative response and using scaling as to how it would be tied into universal health/education is all.

Massive capital gains should be highly taxed, corporations need to pay more, more tax brackets need to be added for higher incomes at higher rates

That's what Trickle Down economics would actually look like. You know that thing that republicans have used as a talking point for decades

Socialism, including "Democratic" Socialism is a BAD idea.

youtubeDOTcom

/watch?v=ACXTTfE4GxM

I'm white unlike you

Definitely, education spending *and taxing needs to happen.

There's a good chart somewhere estimating savings on health and education like m4a and socializing education

This guy sucks rich guys dicks this fucking world class dumbass

>using youtube as a reference

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yes, trump is dumb enough to vote for sanders.

"hum, sanders. must mean i like fried chicken."

He wanted to build a wall to keep the Mexicans out which is fucking stupid because 1) there's already a fence in all the places it makes sense to have a fence, 2) most illegals come through the checkpoints like everybody else and just overstay their visas, and 3) tunnels. But that's fine because it's never gonna get started.

In 'keeping terrorists out' he succeeded in fucking millions of brown people out of their travel plans, potentially creating more terrorists.

He hired a bunch of wealthy business criminals and he fires anyone that tries to get him to obey the law.

He lowers taxes on The Rich to make more money for The Rich while We The People continue to get fucked to pieces.

There are millions of things you continue to miss.

>I'm white

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unfortunately my friend considered voting for bernie i tried to tell him but he just wont fucking listen

ya cause a fence and a wall are the same. not going to bother with your other load of shit

Only a scared, right wing cuck thinks he has to make such a post to try and convince people not to vote for somebody. If bernie was so bad, you wouldnt be scared and post this. You would know, that people know. Obviously, you know he has a good shot to win so you're going to your conservative/russian shill tactics, once again. I can't wait for literally any democrat to win this time around and to watch all all the pro Trumpers who called everyone crybabies the last few years, break down like absolute children when he isnt reelected. Oh it will be good.

lol he will be dead before the lections, fucker already had a heart attack. filthy fucking kike

You forgot one group. The ones that aren't materialistic little shits and enjoy what they have and view it as accomplishments to not have to ask for handouts.

Without corporate America you would have no jobs and no prospects for a future at all.

Keep drinking the koolaid

That is great if you want to produce good little working drones. I myself don't want the government telling me what kind of treatment to have or telling my kids what to think.

Your the one that believes that unlimited money just appears out of nowhere. I have actually worked in management and understand how the real world works.

Sure kiddo

Yeah...If you vote for Trumpf, you’re right in the head. ‘Murica!!!

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Because his campaign is funded by small donations from average people and not billionaires.

>they gettin scared

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3 Choices:

Option 1

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Option 2

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Option 3

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I make way more than 15 an hour. I just want working people to get a better shot at prosperity. You want working people to be poor. Why?

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For the usual conservative reasons I imagine
Their motto: Fuck YOU, because ME

Yes, the prospect that a bunch of underestimated, brainwashed children might vote a communist Jew into office and destroy what country we have left scares the shit out of me. On the other hand it will just hasten the civil war and maybe we can fix all the liberal fuckups of the last 70 or so years.

>Only an absolute fucking idiot POSTS ON Cred Forums OPINIONS ABOUT BERNIE SANDERS.

NO ONE GIVES A FUUCKKKKKKKKKK
Start questioning your life choices. Worst I have it, is that I was exposed to your NEWFAG post.

FUCK YOU

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And only 1 of these couples still bang

They still haven't caught on to the concept of a non-zero sum game

Trump 2020

You're just a little shit with a big number in the age box on your scrub forms

>brainwashed
Bruh you are on the Right, the irony of you using that word is insane and hilarious

Actual right wingers aren't scared of Bernie. Look at the Dems tho. Holy shit they are terrified of him.

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God damn this world is gonna be insanely better when the boomers have finally died off.
I imagine phone scammers will also lose their livelihoods

The fact that pretty much every person with insane wealth is against him speaks volumes.
He is the wild card.
He is what so many thought Trump could have been, except he has actual scruples.

Those are the same Dems that shoehorned Hillary as the nominee. They should be scared. Sanders is going to rip them a new cunt

> Everybody has to raise their prices to offset the higher labor cost
>implying domestic wages influence production abroad
>implying capitalists don't squeeze out as much profit as is humanly possible already

This is literally an argument made by capitalists and only retards buy into it. The same arguments was made when the 8 hour work day and the ban on child labour were enacted. Imagine believe that measures benefiting your own class are somehow against your interests, and calling others low iq idiots. these are the people who spam "muh basic economics" when arguing against marxism lmao

Spam elsewhere

>doesn't understand that minimum wage rising isn't the same as more currency being injected into the economy, but means that a different proportion of capital is being accumulated as wealth

>new-age liberal garbage
>its shallow to want healthcare and a pension
dumbass liberal

These threads are too stupid for me.
That said, I watched part of the dem debate last night and checked the polls this AM. If Sanders isn't ahead in delegates after Nv, the fix is in. Again. Will be fun to watch, if that happens.

I don't think anybody wants working class people to be poor... it's just pretty obvious that adjusting the minimum wage doesn't work. Look at my country, Canada... we had a huge raise in minimum wage a few years ago. Our economy is absolute dogshit now and people are having a hard time living - because surprise - just like the conservative/republican mouthpieces always say, if you increase the minimum wage, it all becomes full circle when living costs and consumer products go up in price to match. (or in most cases exceed).

Bernie's got a good goal in the sense of trying to help uplift people out of poverty... its his methodology that's seriously flawed.

>wants working class people to be poor
It is a 400 yr old rule of classic economics. If you punish something you will get less of it.

When you punish employers who furnish entry level jobs, there will be less of those jobs.

>Only an absolute fucking idiot votes for Bernie Sanders.

If thats the case he will win the general election in a landslide and there is virtually no stopping him.

>, the fix is in. Again

Do you have any fucking doubt?!?

Employers do not employ people out of the goodness of their heart. They do it because there is demand. Vindictiveness in the market doesn't exist without collusion because it's immediately out competed by the guy who's willing to employ people at a higher wage to meet the demand. He will only make 60 million per year instead of 100 million per year but the guy who was making the hundred exited the market and is now making zero.

hahaha some tittys for the protier dunk

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>Do you have any fucking doubt
I do not care-

Because basic economics has already proven that Marxism is unworkable. You believe the classism lie that you have to be against the rich business owners, instead of understanding that they make your way of life possible.

Those cost increases happen whether you increase minimum wage or not. Imagine how fucked you'd be if you hadn't raised it. Look at inflation rates in the US vs Canada and the timing of the minimum wage increase. What you're saying sounds reasonable but it isn't true or how things play out in reality.

well i guess i'm an absolute fucking idiot

he is the only chance the dems have of beating trumpty dumpty

literally everyone i know here at school is voting for bernie

Actually a conservative White Nationalist.

Nobody here is a Marxist, least of all Bernie Sanders. Do you want to talk about democratic socialism or do you want to keep pretending?

KKK disability faggot gtfo

No one would ever vote for him
Did you see debate. He got destroyed. He is finished

the only one who got destroyed was the Bloomberg the Bumbling Billionaire

This is wrong. It's Chicago school liberal magic market bullshit.

There are at least 40 anons posting itt who are gonna vote for him so your analysis is not only wrong, it's entirely wrong.

>collusion
you lost me there. The free market will set the wage unless regulation forces an arbitrary price. Society as a whole would benefit the most without minimum wage laws.

Proven over and over. Only a regulated market would require min wage laws. And of necessity, then more regulation.

Dem socialism is just a stepping stone to full Marxism. History has proven this time and time again. It may take years, but the only way to keep the programs going is to increase government control until you have full Marxism and then the system collapse and a reset.

>she took my change

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Wtf why not just protest to kick all these ass holes out of the election...we get to choose who we want...there shouldn’t even be a want it’s more of a need...WE NEED LEADERS That know how to lead not negotiate or make everything a business.

More Russian Trolls...

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"By looking at changes in restaurant food pricing during the period of 1978–2015, MacDonald and Nilsson find that prices rose by just 0.36 percent for every 10 percent increase in the minimum wage, which is only about half the size reported in previous studies. They also observe that small minimum wage increases do not lead to higher prices and may actually reduce prices. Furthermore, it is also possible that small minimum wage increases could lead to increased employment in low-wage labor markets."

What is your economics training?

So Germany is on its way to full Marxism? Sounds like you're confused, shill.

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Work in management, see process play out as they raise minimum wage and then be told by some wet behind the ears faggot that that is not how it works. Keep believing in fairy tales.

This was exactly the argument used against trump

I call bullshit on that whole thing. There is nothing to gain from further conversation.

Take your obligatory victory lap because I am out.

Bernie fuckin owns and the only people who don't realize that are retards who took econ 101 and now think they're Milton Friedman.

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Yes goyim. Bernie is good.

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research.upjohn.org/up_workingpapers/260/

Every year they tighten government control and are now in the stage of government price regulations which destroy free markets. So yes they are.

And you want his asshole?

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KKK GTFO

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this picture made me laugh

look at the cut on his face where clinton's goons fucked him up that night

You forget the 40% tax on that $15 to pay for "Free Healthcare"!!!

Enter real life where this is well studied and understood. What's your economics training? Or do you pretend to be an expert on the internet lolol

me too
more then you can understand

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At 15 an hour, like 15k of your income is subject to a 20% tax maximum. That's a tax burden of 3k out of 31k.

About 10% not 40% stop being dramatic.

Hurr Duur 2: Super Retard Edition

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>Hurr Duur 2: Super Retard Edition
Now thats just redundant. We're on Cred Forums after all

Who would want legal weed? You mad he’s gonna win easy?

>not having legal weed in 2020

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Explain why Bernie is against sucking Israel's cock like we've been doing for 50 years then?

it's clear from this chart that everyone was unemployed and nobody had any money at all until well after reagan took office because the market wouldn't allow such behavior

nothing was invented or developed until the mid 80s

i think i spotted a CIA Nigger

Not op but I already voted for him in the early primary.

>Nobody here is a Marxist

Who the fuck appointed you to speak for everyone, especially the fact that you can't even think for yourself.

lol can't wait until Super Hurr Durr comes out and we can hear why countries without taxes are only shitholes because black people live there and it has nothing to do with the complete lack of a functioning and funded government

I'm saving up all my Soros money for it

>literally everyone i know here at school is voting for bernie
When?
He isn't going to be the Dem nominee.

My economics training is in real life as a manager having to do the books every night. I have seen this first hand.
If a burger cost 4$, you can figure 25% for labor cost, 25% for food cost, 25% for overhead like rent and electric. That leaves 25% profit for the owner. If you increase wages and increase labor cost, do you think the owner is just going to take less profit? No he will increase the prices to offset the increased labor cost. This happens every day all across the country and all your economic theory will never change it.

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Yeah I'm a contractor like schizo Terry warned you about ooga booga

>i'm not like those other jews

No no, let's not talk about those inconvenient truths eh?

A Jew does not equal a Zionist.

That is just the income tax, now figure sales tax, gas tax, property tax and other various taxes the government impose and it comes out to about 40 to 42%.

>eh?

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Gas Station/Mcdonalds/Dollar General manager does not make you an expert on the economy otherwise I'd own my own island by now

Hurr durr communist manifesto good. Capitalism bad. -Bernie Sanders seeks more donations from capitalist. 10/10 genius

Because that’s literally what he does for a living. Asking for money until you only have a few pennies left. Don’t worry though, this is what progress looks like

Feels so good to be this white

So you know nothing about actual economic systems and can safely be ignored. Thank you. Stop spreading disinfo as if you're some type of expert though when you're a shift supervisor at Wendy's.

Only if you take that knowledge and start your own business. Then what you do with your profits is your business.

Your numbers have no basis in reality.

Each European country isn’t anywhere close to 300+ million people though. The US beats European countries in many aspects as well, the most important ones actually which is medical science and technology which allows Europe to have universal healthcare in the first place. It isn’t hard to make a country look great when the population is small and they don’t have the burden of producing anything.

>BORS
>"I am very intelligent"

Look it up yourself.

All of Europe sure is 300 million though and it still destroys the US by all metrics apart from military spending.

only an absolute fucking russian votes for donald trump

I’m voting Bernie just so my vote cancels my redneck dad and his trump hardon. The same way I voted trump to cancel my moms Hilary boner.

What is wrong with a 90 percent tax rate?

Whoa 14% on average when you add everything up plus 2.2% for Bernie's plan - 1000 dollars per person per month for healthcare

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The DNC will assainate Bernie before he ever takes oath of office

Check this out
Somehow we managed (thrived) lolz

Bernie wants to QUADRUPLE that
Think about that

As you all know the United States was a communist state in the 1950s when the top marginal tax rate was 90%.

A 90% tax for the disgustingly wealthy is actually impossible under capitalism. In fact all progress stalled and we didn't send people to the moon and build every bridge and road in the country with top progressive tax rates of over 70%.

This would be completely impossible and the market would not allow it. I know because I was a manager at a bowling alley for three months.

>I know because I was a manager at a bowling alley for three months.
thanks for the fucking laugh

Wrong. Bernie wants to eliminate health insurance premiums and raise taxes overall 2.2%. This leads to significantly more discretionary income per family.

:D It is the most retarded thing.

>think about this fake thing i made up!
lol no

do retards think the minimum wage has never been raised before or something?

Good man

yes

the minimum wage was an evil creation of the devil to prevent hard working six year olds from operating the threshing machine seventy hours per week like good christians

to even mention it is blasphemous but to increase it would surely make all the poor soot crusted children who lost their hands in looms feel very foolish indeed

would that be fair?!?

Sure sure

Ok. Still going to.

The absolute mad man

i didn't know you had to do it to em before

but now I do based user

I think he is the best candidate.

For 45 years capitalism has been rigged to work from the top-down. This is called neoliberal capitalism and consists of 'trickle-down' economics. It sounded good in the late 60s growth had slowed and this was supposed to mitigate that by 'de-regulating' the market. What it really did was remove protectionism from the public sector to the private sector. It socialized labor (sometimes violently as in Latin America) but it privatized profit.
It meant that huge multi-national companies got suuuuper rich and provided fuck all to regular people. Its continued until now and still continues under Trump.

Production has increased. Profit has increased. Hours of work have increased. Wages have decreased. The labor force now are more akin to voluntary slaves.

Bernie Sanders would actually be a huge step in ending this violent cycle and wants to largely remove extreme political power(and profit) from the elite back to the working class. Many economists agree that this is the right and just move.

His taxes arent extreme. Much lower than eisenhower or past presidencies. His policies work historically and elsewhere in the current world.

Its literally common sense. The problem is weve been conditioned to believe in top-down capitalism because media and even text book publishing is controlled by monopolies. Six of the largest corporations in all of history own what we read and watch.

Tl;dr: he would actually MAGA but the elite gaslight everybody.

Oh hi based poster thank you for another unassailable contribution. :)

Manly tears... someone understands

You guys know you're on the same side, right?

Thank Chomsky and the free internet. That post is true and you yourself can learn.

>Chomsky
I have followed him for decades and would never use him for a reference.

He is ate up with leftist ideology. Professed the belief, women should be able to euthanize children up to 6 yrs of age.

I discount him and anybody who would reference him.

One based post is all it takes to silence the MAGA horde. Feel free to copy this. Study the issues. Sanders is attempting to save democracy and at the risk of being dramatic the entire world.

The elite have been trying to shove anew world order down our throats friends we must re-balance the scales.

If they have their way human life will be reduced to chattel to fuel their ego. They will be protected when it all comes crumbling. We will not be. Vote wisely my friends. The elite are no smarter than you. Just more well studied. Use the internet wisely while knowledge is still accessible.

Nobody cares what you would do or your overly dramatic ridiculous justifications. Chomsky owns.

You are blinded my emotion. Chomsky is no fool. If you take issue with his claims simply research them. You will find that most if not all is true. He is an anarchist but his knowledge is vast and accurate. It would be foolish to let emotions cloud your learning experience.

your beliefs.
Continue to blindly follow. This Nov, the relative truth will out.

>assumes others blindly follow
>while blindly following and lying

November, asshole. Don't forget to vote-

You're insane if you think Noam Chomsky said mother's should be able to euthanize babies until they're 6, full stop.

Don't be salty op. Someday you be old enough to vote.

My beliefs are hard won my indoctrinated friend. Ive studied these issues for longer than I care to admit. Its disgusting. Sanders is a miracle that shouldnt have happened. This movement is important. Fail to see it of you choose. I simply ask that you research your beliefs.

Pro corporate rhetoric is mainstream in America. I wonder why that is?

Only an absolute idiot believes there are only 3 options

>You're insane
how I see you-November-

>indoctrinated
As a Trump supporter, I hope Sanders wins.

While I like some things Bernie suggests such as a progressive inheritance tax, much of what he suggests is simply expansions on government subsidies rather than real solutions. Take free college for example, Universities remain for-profit institutions which will find ways to keep expanding costs to soak in more government money. Look at where there are limits on tuition. they just raise the cost of dorms and then require everyone to live in dorms. And allowing students to just declare bankruptcy encourages more stupidity with money and is a slap in the face of every student who was fiscally responsible. Far better solution is to cap interest on all loans. What's burying people isn't so much the loans as the never ending compounding of interest. But you know a jew is never going to say anything against interest. Lastly, we've already seen college devalued in the last couple of decades. So everybody gets free college and has a college degree. That just means businesses will only look for people with masters and PhDs. Look at the job market now where so many jobs that, in all honesty only need a Middle school education and some work ethic, that now require a college degree for a person to even be considered.

>compounding of interest
The 8th wonder of the world, according to Einstein.

You make valid points.
This doesnt stop with Sanders.
We do however have a chance to START winning our voice back. Winning our right to a decent life back. Our forefathers fought hard for workers rights. Its since been squandered. Talent and hard work mean nothing to the bankers.

Bernie Sanders is a good and nescessary Jew.

You be realistic.. Bernie has already admitted that taxes will go up to afford "free healthcare". When revenues don't match expenses, taxes will go up. They always do. TANSTAFL

Similar to how they keep bullying him off his own stage, the political elites like Bernie because they know they can push him around, holding his healthcare socialism like a carrot on a stick.

The political elites are gonna love getting their way with Bernie, he won't resist them, even though the corruption runs deep, he'll just put up with it for his 3 mansions.

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Sez the professor of Macro Economics posting on Cred Forums.

Virtue signaling on Cred Forums.
How insufferable.

As a non American who has reviewed his history and stance I agree. You have so many better option.

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I do not believe he will, if Sanders wins nomination it will be great entertainment.
Sanders with his Marxist propaganda soundbites vs Trump with an elite (Wharton) masters in economics.

Billionaire molester Tombberg btfo in debates by Warren, field has cleared for a clear run to the nomination in the primary.
Only trumpets, trombones, and other other republican musical mouthpieces left saying Bernie can't win the primaries.
Sanders 2020. See you in November.

Bernie:

Hey sory America but it turns out those people I complained about, well turns out they all control congress.

Looks like i'll be taking money out of the middle class like everyone before me. whoops

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>Bernie can't
If you believe today's polls Sanders has a lock on Nv.
Fun to watch the dem's desperation.

The richest socialist in American history, but he can’t be bothered to comb his hair even when running for the most important and powerful office on the planet. And idiots who follow him think that he’ll be able to change the entire economic structure of the US, and World economy?

See this is the problem I have with nu-leftists is that they can't dissociate feelings from economic realities. Anyone who brings up workers rights should be vehemently against immigration and globalization. (who does that sound like?) Since the beginning of industrialization Capital's greatest weapon against Labor is the importation of more people. And with progress in transportation, the deportation of production to anti-labor countries. Globalization not only hurts workers here but they hurt workers in other countries because the motivators to move industry isn't just cheaper labor, but more importantly the absence of laws offering protections to Labor

Anyone who claims to be a socialist should be the loudest voice against immigration and work visas. You could still do this and be a "feelings" leftist by arguing no new people until our current citizens are working. Black unemployment s 30-40% in most urban areas. But typical of democratic politicians the blacks are considered "in the bag" and they're more concerned about importing more democrats then helping the ones that are already here.

>says something stupid

And thinks he's on right side.
Sad.

>Fix the VA quickly
>In progress
>2020
>quickly

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literally nothing wrong with the VA, it's just a fake issue because some people are retards and keep perpetuating it.

He is worth approx. $2 million at 78 years old. That is basically just reasonable saving for an upper-middle class retirement over a full career.
Saving $40k per year over a 50 year career would be $2m, for example. Hardly 1% territory.

You’ve never been to a VA hospital, obviously.

You’ve never been to a VA hospital, obviously.

There are actually 2 economic solutions to labor exploitation. In one, both capital and labor are able to move freely, to follow opportunities. In the other you lock down the movement of both labor and capital and essentially nationalize both.
What we have now is a situation where capital can move freely to exploit the most desperate labor pool, but workers are tethered. That's called neoliberalism, and we can both agree that's a shit arrangement for everyone below the investor class.

>non American

your opinion doesn't count here. Sanders is the best chance democrats have on beating Trump

>Implying the rich and powerful dont already have carte blanche under trumpism.

I disagree (sort of)
>> both capital and labor are able to move freely, to follow opportunities
can't really exist unless the source of Capital comes from Labor and does not exist as a fully separate entity.

The problem is
>> both capital and labor are able to move freely, to follow opportunities
is the lie we've been told since the beginning, When in reality Capital has always been free to move and Labor has always been tethered by the chain of debt. The advent of Globalism has further expanded this. At one time Capital still had to consider the prosperity of their home country while attempting to advance their own prosperity. Now while Labor is still tied to town and nation, Capital is free to roam the planet. This allows it godlike power to play the see-saw game with entire economies and Capital no longer has to care which nation is currently the 3rd world labor pool.

In the past Nationalism could be exploited by Capital to make sacrifices for the good of country. Now Nationalism is the only thing that can force Capital to care about their global sub-section of Labor out of vested self-interest.

>the source of Capital comes from Labor
gobbledygook.

Much the same as labor owning the means of production.

The reason communism or other authoritarianism is necessary for socialism to survive more than months.

The problem with /b.

conservatives should actually be for a higher minimum wage as it makes companys have a much lower incentive to lobby for open borders since they cant devalue labour
now it would mean more people wanting to migrate but they wouldnt be allowed legally because the corporations wouldnt benefit
and so long as you protect the border so illegals dont get in the end result will be less brown people

>Russia
mainstream narrative to destract from israeli influence in our democracy
seriously how can people be so fucking dumb to fall for the jew medias lies

>Scandinavia.
capitalist + welfare and universal healthcare
its not even remotely socialist

name one country in europe with a centrally planned command economy

>higher minimum wage .................. incentive
no true conservative is for any min wage. It keeps incentive from paying more.

>centrally planned command economy
That is not socialism, it is communism.

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>vote a kike into power so that then nobody can deny that the jews have power and we can finally gas them
4d chess senpai

>trump
>far right
wtf are you talking about he's pro jew

you'll never get what you want by voting

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>jews
>white
Bernie is a kike

I wonder if there's a correlation with supporters not knowing Buttigieg is a flamer and Sanders being a jew

People wanted a shake up in 2016. Trump was it. Alot of those voters back obama in 2012. If they want a shake up again sanders may win, but unlikely.

Still not as much of an idiot as a trump voter.

OHHHH NOOOO I can't believe you just said that!

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The basic definition of socialism is seizing the means of production, user. Communism is just a theoretical type of socialism that could never possibly exist.

The jury will be out until November.

true dat

only an absolute idiot lives in america and thinks their vote has any influence in politics.

>have no minimum wage
>corporations lobby for even looser borders
>suddenly a billion third worlders in your country working for 10cents an hour
great idea

More bullshit-
socialism is an economic system,
communism is a political system.

While I am at this-capitalism is a means of providing...duh...capital. Capitalism's economic system is the free market.
Education is free if you actually want truth. Here, imposition of will trumps truth.

truth

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she sure wrote a lot of text just to say that the poorest people in her country are havin a hard time.

why do leftists always do this deflecting shit?
>uh uh well it's not actually this

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rare true statement on Cred Forums

He's for globohomo

>she sure wrote a lot of text
teacher? The first sentence?

Two farmers decide to buy a cow together in the hopes of starting a dairy. Three merchants pay to outfit a merchant ship with trade goods. Shared risk, shared rewards. Is this any way communism?

A farmer borrows money to buy a cow. The cow dies but the lender still gets all his money back plus extra by confiscating the farm No risk, guaranteed rewards. Usury capitalism at its most basic.

Socialism has nothing to do with equality of results. It is about equality of risk and reward. It is about equality of value added and value gained. If a man takes $500k and starts a company socialism acknowledges that initial risk and grants it should be rewarded. But at what point has he been rewarded enough? Once he has his $500k back he has no more risk than any other employee. If through the hard work of employees, making a quality product, developing and engineering new extensions and products, marketing etc that $500 k company is now worth $500 million why does that extra $499,500.000 solely belong to the initial investor when they contributed no more to that added value then their employees? This where socialism and capitalism part ways. Capitalism says its all his because he took the risk and even though the risk is long past he is to be rewarded in perpetuity for that first step. Socialism says the reward gets divided up based on the contribution. So yes the guy engineering a new process is going to get more than the guy moving boxes. The difference is the steps are 1, 5, 20, 50 and not the capitalist 0.05, 3, 20 and 730,000

TLDR

too much bullshit, no justification to reply.

>comb his hair
what hair, he's balder than george costanza

Socialism has been around for a while. It means seizing the means of production. Various types splintered off, like anarcho-socialism, and most famously, marxism. Marxism talked about 4 historical stages, the last two being state control of the means of production, and then the state vanishing into some kind of collective ownership that was never really specified.

At this point, socialism and communism were synonyms. They weren't distinguished until Lenin, quite a while after the October revolution, started using communism to refer to Marx's 4th stage.

Literally nobody considers socialism to be an economic system, and communism to be a political system. That's a compete failure on your part to under either the current meaning or the history of the terms.

>to understand either

>In the other you lock down the movement of both labor and capital and essentially nationalize both.
I aprove of this plan
you dont need to nationalise anything tho, just classify moving your buisness overseas as economic terrorism and treat them like actual terrorists by killing them
then nobody will move their buisness overseas because they're scared of getting drone striked

I could not care less what you think.
I think you are an idiot-

And this is why we have the politicians that we have. Not only do you have people who can't attend to more than a sound bite but they brag about the fact. You should run for congress.

You're just displaying your ignorance.

communism doesnt have a state you retard, it cannot be a command economy

socialism is the step before communism
the uusr was socialist, not communist

communism isnt possible to exist

>It wasn't real socialism!

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jews are the reason we have usury

>I dont care if im wrong
ok retard

communism isnt possible
communism doesnt have a state
guess what happens when you dont have a state?
some other state invades you

the only way to get communism would be to make the entire planet socialist and then desolve all governments, but then you still wouldnt be able to stop people just making new states

its not real communism because real communism can never exist

More bullshit-
socialism is an economic system,
communism is a political system.

While I am at this-capitalism is a means of providing...duh...capital. Capitalism's economic system is the free market.
Education is free if you actually want truth. Here, imposition of will trumps truth.

You're just displaying that you have no idea what you're talking about

communism is stateless

guess what happens when you dont have a state?
some other state invades you