Anti Bernie spam everywhere means fear

I like him cause the repubs/dems/corporations are afraid of him.

The Trumpanzees here instantly pivot and start attacking whoever the front-runner is. They never even mentioned Booty Judge, then after Iowa there were shitloads of threads. Then Bernie took NH and they are back on him. They are clearly scared.

the only people who don't want Bernie in office are the wealthy & nobody on 4chins has that much money
not even that guy who got the settlement from his uncle molesting him

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Bernie still gonna win lol

Hahaha

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He's not going to live much longer. Who ever his VP is will be who you're voting for

you realize that Cheney had like 6 heart attacks & he's still alive
>with hearts harvested from Gitmo
Bernie is fine & will outlive drumph

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The DNC is afraid of Bernie, they already fucked him over 2016, REMEMBER?. I vote Republican, mostly, and I would love to see a Trump v. Sanders match-up.

Life’s hard to accept reality and just be a bro.

Windbag

>Anti Bernie spam everywhere means fear
I'm pretty sure it means he's a worthless pile of shit.

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Apple ramp goes until crustables yellow brother

Muppet feet

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the right can't meme

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Way overpowered as a card. Would work better as a 1/1, maybe 1/2 (Lets face it, the dude is a nearly 80 year old man,) giving +1/+1 to all Liberal creatures, and the grassroots thing should trigger on each upkeep and only make one token. Still can be 2WW though.

YA! Totally a conspiracy out of desparation when people on Cred Forums hate old jews.

/sarcasm

gtfo man, Yang was better on every single policy and Trump's numbers are at all time highs.

Even leaked conversations from Trump have shown he fuckin' hopes its Bernie because its an easy win and I'm a goddamn dem.

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no one fears Bernie. many democrats like myself have just grown tired of the lunatics taking over our party.

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>Tard unable to argue his point confirmed

Hillary liked Cheny though. she doesn't like Bernie and tells us no one does.

What states will Bernie lose in a general election that a clintonite or establishmentarian would have a better shot at?

Because 4 chan is where we assess human value

I’ve heard leaked audio claiming the opposite

Eeeh I'd say its just trolling on Cred Forums, you know...what everything is about on Cred Forums

Clintonites would LOSE LOSE LOSE over and over. And that’s after giving the GOP everything they wanted. Wanting America to be more like Europe isn’t lunatic ideology.

>THE MANAS ARE REVERSED REEEEEE

So here's the thing about that. Taxes are not actually required in any way in order to spend on the federal level. Every time the federal government spends, it creates new money through the Federal Reserve. This means there is never any question about how to pay for anything. We have as many dollars as we have the political will to spend.

"But muh inflation"

Inflation is defined as a continued decrease in the buying power of the dollar overall. Both incidental one-off price rises as well as actual inflation, though, are ultimately matters of a distortion in supply and demand (if there's too much demand - aka money -and not enough supply - aka goods - then prices will naturally rise). Pumping money into a system where supply is plentiful but usage isn't does not contribute to inflation or price hikes until the demand exceeds the supply.

So we don't need to worry about how to come up with money - we need to worry about whether the supply actually exists for the demand we create by producing new money. This is where expanding access to higher education is necessary.

Money is artificial. But right now it's an artificial barrier. Access to health care is taken for granted everywhere else civilized - just like you know you can easily walk into a library or call the fire department. There's no reason to limit access to fire departments by making it a capitalist thing, and the same argument applies to Healthcare and the rest. Your money isn't paying for it, it's exiting the economy to ease inflationary pressure... and you end up with more money anyway in the end.

Every one of them.

newfags

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I mean most DNC candidates are running anti trump ads...so by your logic they fear him

tl;dr

He's a hardcore socialist/communist. I don't give a fuck what you write.

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"I don't want to engage on a logical level"

>Yes I can see that

Want a tl;dr? Ok, here:

- taxes don't fund federal spending; all spending creates NEW money
- the only thing that matters in terms of "affordability" is whether we have the resources we need
- no need to worry about how to pay, only whether we have the actual stuff

Lol. The Trumpanzees are fucking terrified.

not the user you're talking to, but i read your shit here and you're full of shit:
>gov't does not create wealth. it takes it.
>printing money is not printing value.
>you're literally claiming this doesn't cause inflation and that alone is bullshit.
>didn't actually explain how printing money doesn't contribute to inflation.
>you absolutely need money to pay for things, we're operating at a deficit, so how we pay for things is a valid question.
>flooding the market with degrees just makes said degrees worth less.
>money is aritificial, but the value of it is not.
>universal healthcare doesn't mean it is successful. see Greece or UKs NHS. it's failing.

you whole bullshit post henges on the idea that more of a thing doesn't decrease its value. that's its bullshit.

Bernie beats Trump, poll after poll.
Had since 16. Trump literally has zero chance if Bloomberg and the Dems don't fuck Bernie again.

>t. 2016 r/thedonald "oldfag"

>>gov't does not create wealth.
So when the government took tax money and churns out trained doctors and engineers from public universities who create many times the value of the cost of the education, that doesn't count?

like Hillary had a 94% chance to win 2016, eh? your screams will be legendary, even in Hell.

>I like to keep letting boomers fuck me over
You are what's wrong with this country. Fucking cuck.

Top kek
Was thinking the same thing

the gov't didn't produce any wealth, though.

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How do you say, thanks for buying my presidency, in Russian?

Hillary Clinton beats Trump, poll after poll. Trump literally has zero chance!!! Oh wait..... it's almost like polls are bullshit.

>public university
Wat?

The formatting of those abilities is atrocious. Whoever mocked that up should neck themselves.

i don't know how i can say it anymore plain. robbing Peter to pay Paul off doesn't actually create any new money.

It's not being scared. Its taking care of loose ends. Biden is toast and Bernie is next.

so if anyone can buy an election, why do you think Bernie can win against Bloomberg?

You said government doesn't create value. I gave you an instance where goverment uses tax money create more value than the initial value of the tax revenue. You don't have to say it anymore plainly, your memes are already reduced to the point of an oversimplification that ignores significant facts to avoid re-assessing the message they attempt to convey.

I am amused how Sanders’ supporters are tripping so hard on a news media conspiracy. John Cusack’s is even calling for a boycott of MSNBC because they were mean to Bernie.

Socialist supporters can’t recognize free market capitalism at work. News channels run on ratings. Criticism of Bernie garners better ratings so news channels critical Bernie more.

It’s simple supply v demand Bernie Bullies. If viewers didn’t demand criticism of Bernie then the news tubes wouldn’t show it.

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it doesn't. you gave a situation where the gov't takes money away and spends it on a system that lowers the value of a degree. any value generated would be from that person - not the govt and it will always be at the expense of someone else. no value created.

There's no doubt money brings a critical edge. Bloomberg had no support at all but has Crystal Pepsi'd his way onto the debate stage on the strength of advertising alone.

How does earning a medical degree lower the value of medical degrees? LOL

>any value generated would be from that person - not the govt
False. That person's labor is worth more because of the investment by the state in education.

so you're saying Trump didn't buy the election? he still had to generate support?
kek
more of a thing lowers the value of a thing. it's supply and demand.
that person generates the value - not the gov't. if that person doesn't work, dies, etc, there exists only the debt. no value was actually generated by the gov't.

You forgot the ability where he drains all your mana every turn and gives all creatures a -5/-5 starvation token every turn...

isn't a white card a microaggression or something?

There's a reason for that.

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Who designed this card? They're implying that Bernie could stand toe to toe with your average dragon and not only survive, but kill it, and also put 60 power worth of tokens out on the battlefield every turn. How much meth were they smoking?

>more of a thing lowers the value of a thing. it's supply and demand.
Not all demand is elastic, sweaty
>that person generates the value - not the gov't.
No, that person did not make their own labor more valuable, they didn't teach themselves medicine.

>creates eagles that can't fly

>so you're saying Trump didn't buy the election? he still had to generate support?
I don't think anybody is saying Trump hired the hackers to change the votes in the 3 states he needed in 2016, so no, I'm not accusing Trump of buying the election. Putin did it, and probably more on the strength of not killing those hackers' families rather than paying them. They steal credit card numbers all day, they've already got plenty of money.

It is legendary.

More of a thing (aka more supply) doesn't NECESSARILY decrease its value if demand for it rises along with it.

>">gov't does not create wealth. it takes it."

You're right, gov't doesn't create wealth, it creates dollars. Those dollars are given in return for labor, which DOES create wealth in material terms. Likewise it doesn't take wealth, it takes dollars. If printing money isn't printing wealth, then taking them isn't taking wealth. That's logic 101.

>">you're literally claiming this doesn't cause inflation and that alone is bullshit."

Inflation is a pattern of decline in prices over time. There's the expected and constant inflation without which we would have deflation; then there's demand-pull and cost-push; then there's hyperinflation. I assume you're inferring that money creation creates demand-pull inflation, but pointing to regular 2% yearly inflation as a sign of something else, because you don't understand economics. That's okay.

>"didn't actually explain how printing money doesn't contribute to inflation."

Did too.

>">you absolutely need money to pay for things"

No argument

>"we're operating at a deficit, so how we pay for things is a valid question"

Are you mixing up deficit and debt? If not,
what deficit are you concerned with? All spending is debt. Look at what Clinton balancing the budget did to the private sector.

>"money is aritificial, but the value of it is not."

Of course it is. That's why we are the world Reserve currency - we've kept the dollar very stable with buffer stocks and QE and bonds. It's all artificial.

flooding thr market with degrees absoluty impacts the work force. this is why a BA/BS is almost worthless today. it's like the new HS diplomia within the cities.

being valuable and value are two different things. one is potential where the other is concrete. "making a person's labor more valuable" is still predicated on that person completing the program and working. no value is generated until that happens. inventing a new thing people want is creating value. it's concrete - once the transaction is completed that's it, you can throw it in the trash after. the money has been spent. gov't doesn't create value. people, businesses, markets and the like create value.

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facebook ads don't determine eclection results tho

>flooding thr market with degrees absoluty impacts the work force.
Sigh. Which degrees though? And no, not any random BA or BS is a "new high school diploma".

President Bernie Sanders

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guns don't kill people tho

People wouldn't buy them if they didn't. And Zuck is very rich. And it's much more likely votes were simply changed. It's been possible for a long time now.

Well then I want my gun money back.

Duh, he gave it away in the thread. Can't you read?

So you're saying your average Joe meticulously fact checks every political attack ad they come across rather than say "Yeah, that sounds about right to me" and take it as fact? You seem to be underestimating how stupid the average person is. It'd absolutely be possible to affect who people vote for with their ads, especially if social media is saturated with said ads

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Delusions of grandeur

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demand goes down as supply increases. it will eventually taper off and hit that 'sweet spot' sure, but if you go in a flood the market with doctors, the value of a doctor will go down as their pay.

gov't doesn't create value. printing more money doesn't not create more value, it inflates it.

i know what inflation is, that's the second time you've explained that, but not how printing money supposedly doesn't cause inflation.

you actually didn't. but ok. considering the fact you think more of a thing increases its value, i realize i'm talking to an idiot.

no argument as in you have no argument against that?

the US is operating at a deficit. a rather large one. increasing that deficit with more spending will only harm us. the debt is a secondary concern - the source of the flood should be fixed before worrying about all the water in the basement.

the value is not artificial. fucking with interest rates causes bubbles as seen in the housing market. value is real regardless and not aritificial.

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Got me triggered.

It's his ideas and policy people are scared of you dumb cunt.

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any degree can become oversaturated. nothing is above the law of supply and demand. the bachelors absolutly lowered in value. there's plenty out there documenting this fact.
irrelevant
people buy steak jewelry, pet rocks, and are routinely scammed over the phone.
so every political ad is election intereference? retarded.

The degrees that are worthless are the ones that there are no demand for. Yes andding a hundred thousand English degrees will make English degrees even more useless because it saturates the supply of something that is not in demand. But if there's a tremendous need for Engineering degrees, every engineering degree will be VERY valuable until the demand for them is satisfied. All degrees are not created equal. ALL questions of value are questions about supply and demand.

Government does not create value, but it does inject cash. Targeting how and where the cash is injected influences the dynamics of supply and demand. How the targeting is done is a matter of politics - do we build bombs or bridges? Do we subsidize wheat or war? Which helps the private sector generate more wealth?

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I saw that, too. Also the walls should be illusions because the wall isn't real.

and supply affects demand. if there's too many engineers, your engineering degree will have to washing dishes until "Something opens up". see law degree holders bussing tables.

yes, gov't takes money from one person and distributes to others. no value created. what helps private sector generate more wealth is no stealing from it.

Imagine not voting for whoever trumps more of the Clinton's plan

If that card was real, it would be instantly banned because it would destroy the game.

That's what happens when a socialist tries to write game mechanics...

Of course you would try to trip up the retard that is in 1st rather then going after the retard that is sleeping at the starting line.
What is your point?

All right let me try one more time.

You're saying the more of something there is, the less it's worth. I say not necessarily.

I'm saying the less demand there is for something the less it's worth. If you increase the supply of something beyond what there is a need for, that's when the value starts to dip in a significant way, in a way that matters to any degree. The demand for liquidity and velocity is very high; injecting money will first go towards satisfying savings requirements, THEN toward quenching the lack of velocity; and only then will there be a problem - AFTER all that. Who cares if I inject a billion dollars but it ends up in your mattress? It doesn't affect the economy until it circulates - and only in a negative way once demand catches up to supply.

All of them. Less than 1/3 of Americans will consider voting for a socialist candidate.

They're probably a commander player. Without haste or indestructible, this card is kind of shit, actually. Basically any instant speed removal card stops him from making any tokens, and if he does get one, any board wipe will do...

True, it'd have an instant target on it.

Turns out even busted white cards tend to be shite.

>without haste
It doesn't need haste. It's primary function is to slam ten 6/6 creatures on the battlefield each turn and it isn't a tap ability.
>but muh instant speed removal and muh board wipe
So it has the exact same weakness as nearly 100% of all overpowered creature cards? That must mean its crap.

If the Dems would just put forward someone who doesn’t feel the need to raise my taxes, I wouldn’t even bother voting. But I guess if they put this guy out there, I’ll have to go out and vote against him.

What's this then?

Pretty lame shit here. What point are these cartoons trying to make?

So if you're paying 15% now out of pocket and he wants you to spend 8% in taxes INSTEAD, you only notice that the taxes are getting raised and not that you're saving 7%?

Math is hard, but not that hard. You can manage 15-8=7.

15% for a $200 doctor visit would be $30 and you do not need to go all the time. 8% for a $60,000 yearly income is an extra $4800 a year. You tell me what is more expensive you fucking tool.

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>hardcore socialist/communist
kek those are completely different things. It's like saying something is a hotdog hair comb.

Lol. First off you're forgetting that the cost of health care itself is being cut by taking out administrative costs and slashing drug prices.

Second (should be first) I said 15% meaning 15% of your yearly income, not 15% of the total cost per visit. 15% of your income is the average amount of money people spend on health care. In other words, $9000 is 15% of $60K and $4800 is quite a bit less than that.

Third, if you get in an accident it doesn't represent a looming Bankruptcy. You can get your epipen or insulin without going broke. And as you age and start having problems (you will, trust me) and you start having to go more and more often, you won't be buried in debt.

Not only is $4800 cheaper than $9000, but bankruptcy is also much more expensive than guaranteed care.

I would actually love to hear what you think the difference is.

Why am I seeing left garbage on my Cred Forums

>kek those are completely different things. It's like saying something is a hotdog hair comb.
Explain this then, user...

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National medicine is crumbling around the world. Countries want to go back to the American system. It never worked and you will see a turn in the next few years.

This is clearly broken. WoTC (DNC) Ban incoming.

>white
>jew
Pick 1, jidf

Not the guy who said this, but...

The difference is easy to research. In purely dictionary terms, socialism is some form of collective ownership of capital goods. This could look like having no bosses, powerful unions, community ownership of businesses, state ownership of factories, anything from ESOPs and stakeholder supremacy to a fully state planned economy.

Communism is the eventual goal of actual socialism (neither of which are in Bernie's ideals). Under actual communism we'd do away with money and everybody would have everything they need for free. Communists see socialism as a transition to their ultimate goal of pure equality of outcome.

What Bernie is about is a CAPITALIST market economy, made more efficient by the lifting of drags on it by inefficiencies in sectors that exist for the public. This is not socialism, because ownership of the means of production are left private or mostly private.

The audio you are referring to is from 2016 when he said he was worried if Hillary chose Bernie as her VP.

commondreams.org/news/2020/01/25/only-one-i-didnt-want-her-pick-secret-recording-trump-admits-fear-clinton-picking

Theres the proof so you dont even have to google it.

You got any real factual shit to suggest your fantasy is anything other than dogshit?

RCP polls claim even Warren beats Trump, Biden beats Trump, Pete, Bernie, etc. Their polls are obvious garbage.

Consider the following - Sixty-three percent of Americans now approve of the way Trump is handling the economy, up six points from the prior reading in November. It is the highest economic approval rating not only for Trump, but for any president since George W. Bush enjoyed stratospheric job approval ratings in the first few months after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Trump's ratings for handling foreign affairs (47%) and foreign trade (50%) are also his best to date.

oh and here is my source - Gallup - a respected polling source. So again, post facts dude.

news.gallup.com/poll/284156/trump-job-approval-personal-best.aspx

tl;dr - Yang was our only chance. Enjoy MAGA+4

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Most of the anti-Bernie shilling most likely comes from Buttigieg supporters.

aged like milk

All the Democrats are toast. Not a sing electable candidate. Bernie will get the Biden treatment next...they all will get it.

>First off you're forgetting that the cost of health care itself is being cut by taking out administrative costs and slashing drug prices.
Forgetting? You were specifically talking about out of pocket expense vs income tax. As far as lowering administrative costs and drug prices, that is fantasyland. I've never seen a government program that has ever lowered costs or worked efficiently. Ask any medical biller how fun it is dealing with Medicare.

>15% of your income is the average amount of money people spend on health care
I would actually like to see a source that says the average American spends 15% of total income on Medical because I sure as hell don't.

>Third, if you get in an accident it doesn't represent a looming Bankruptcy. You can get your epipen or insulin without going broke. And as you age and start having problems (you will, trust me) and you start having to go more and more often, you won't be buried in debt.
No one is saying the Health Care system isn't fucked up, but it was the Dems that fucked it up more in the first place. Obamacare was a solid fail. I'd actually like to see if less regulation and government intervention can introduce more competition and therefore lower prices. Whenever the government tries to subsidize an industry it inflates costs. See, Universities.

>collective ownership of capital goods
That is what communism is as well. The collective being the "people". Nationalizing sectors of the economy. I'm failing to see the difference. Is China a capitalists haven?

What a shit card: RED Bernie summoned with PLAINS? Fuck outta here...

>hello fellow white people
t. (((Bernie))) the crypto red.

>RCP polls claim even Warren beats Trump, Biden beats Trump, Pete, Bernie, etc. Their polls are obvious garbage.
I agree that polls are typically garbage, but in fairness to RCP, those are national polls, which are essentially worthless and used to frame a false narrative. They really need to do that polls in swing states where the actual election will be won. I'm sure those polls will read differently. For instance, I can't imagine Bernie will poll that well in the Rust Belt.

I've never seen the anti bernie memes hit so fast. People must really be afraid of actual change. I love it. This country needs something new, anything. Id take nuclear fallout, bernie, war, anything other than this consumerism gluttnous Haven for hate and fear

god this country fucking blows

>People must really be afraid of actual change.
You're confusing afraid with rejection. You don't like a consumerists economy, then you can always move to Venezuela and enjoy the socialists paradise. No one will stop you.

This card's text is so poorly done it hurts

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Why doesn't Bernie have the "Racist liar" caption?