Do republicans know what communism actually is?

the only person ignorant of communism is the person who thinks it hasn't been tried yet or is somehow a workable model that won't end in mass starvation and genocide.

stop dressing up your laziness as wokeness and your greed as progresivism.
you're a cunt who can't make it on your own, so you try guilting hardworkers into voting you an existence.
most people struggle enough to support themselves and their families.
you expect them to re-prioritize their lives and subsidize /your worthless ass/ instead of a child or spouse?
interesting platform.
you're in for a surprise.

>true communism can never work given the conditions of man
Communism fails to value efficiency, innovation, effort,and risk.

If you have two communists who both oversee shoe factories, and one of them gets an idea about how to make shoes more efficiently, he gets no reward for that thinking, and if the idea requires more effort or capital to implement then it is never going to get implemented.

Under capitalism the factory owner who has better ideas, who figures out how to increase quality and production while reducing costs makes a lot more money and produces a lot more product. This is why when the Communists tried to keep up with us in a production race, their whole economy collapsed into bread lines. This is also why we have access to a large quantity of inexpensive, high quality goods (gdp/capita) than any other country on earth. This also is why we have less real poverty than any other nation.

No and neither do the majority of Americans including democrats.

arguing with what I didn't say.

all i said was that race mixing isn't actually communism (and I detest communism), and old white conservatives love to put their ignorance on display

although true communism means "each man works to their accordance and gets as they need", communism is a dystopien reality as corruption, human greed, and laziness all hinder on its true nature.

In theory it is an almost perfect system, but when put in practice will never achieve anything more than a train wreck of a disaster.

>destroying human biodiversity
So basically what capitalists attempt via genocide?

>Under capitalism the factory owner who has better ideas, who figures out how to increase quality and production while reducing costs makes a lot more money and produces a lot more product. This is why when the Communists tried to keep up with us in a production race, their whole economy collapsed into bread lines. This is also why we have access to a large quantity of inexpensive, high quality goods (gdp/capita) than any other country on earth. This also is why we have less real poverty than any other nation.
Nothing is made in American factories anymore and hasn't been for decades. Did you write this in 1966 or something?

Better question is, “Do communists know what communism is? Do socialists know what socialism is?”

Every fucking time it’s tried you retards support it initially, then when it fails you say “oh that wasn’t real socialism/communism....”

Yes, what liberals attempt via ethnocide.

>ethnocide
Fucking isn't "-cide", friend.

yeah, of course

communism is everything they don't like

Think of it like the word "gay" in middle school; as in "Todd's parents won't let him go to my party, that's gay".

It only works on people too stupid to know or care what the word means, which conveniently for them, is all of their friends.

>Nothing is made in American factories anymore and hasn't been for decades.

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>They know anything they don't like is Communism
So OP's point is valid, Republicans are in fact retarded to the point of ineducability

Pic rel8

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>This also is why we have less real poverty than any other nation.
So when Pew Research reports that middle class Americans have literally HALF the wealth they did in 1983 and 18% lower wages than they did in 1971, this is capitalism's fault yes?

The point stands.

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I'm a huge fan of the alt-right's "people (who aren't me) having sex = genocide" argument

makes me giggle every time I see it

maybe go to the gym, faggot

No, and it's not their job to do so. They perpetuate the oligarchs of the country, and their voters believe they get the piece of the pie in the free marketeer scam.

It is when one minority group is fucking more than the host of the nation, not to mention open borders policy that all liberal candidates support now, including your boi Bernie.

what was it Jesus said

"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't stop it from being retarded on purpose"

or something like that

I also forgot to mention the wealth transfer via welfare.

Agreed; it's the most obvious "I can't get laid" red flag in the universe.

"Other people having sex is a CONSPIRACY"

Well put.

In inflation adjusted dollars, long term housing prices are climbing steadily and wages growth is flat. This is a real problem, but it is not "because capitalism." every developed country on earth has this problem. Well regulated free market capitalism helps offset this problem but it doesn't address it directly. The onlyest way to solve the problem is to some how massively increase the supply of quality housing which, i admit, isn't happening fast enough despite well regulated capitalism

>one closed factory is evidence that there are no factories.

OMFG you are so retarded

It does make you wonder. every single successful leftist revolution was backed by a metric fuckton of of illegal or unkicensed guns. in western media libruls=no guns. How long can you really push that narrative?

I know one absolute fact about communism. You are not getting it.

Yes, in great detail. I sometimes worry the problem with it is that humans can't construct it correctly due to being human. The concept of "will to power" is I think what causes this. Reasonably speaking the Soviet Union should have won the cold war, I know you types accuse the west of being at fault for the fate of communist projects but in reality it should be able to win a war against the opposing ideology if it's functioning correctly. So, even the absolute best, most organized, most well intentioned attempt at communism still resulted in the emergence of a dictator, the formation of a cult of personality surrounding him and subsequent government corruption which grows like a cancer. While our own capitalistic governments have plenty of corruption it doesn't generally result in the entire system becoming non-viable and unable to face competitors.

Sometimes I think the only being that could administrate truly stable communism would be a "strong AI", basically an AI construct which is intelligent enough to be self-aware. It could operate many aspects of society typically vulnerable to corruption, but only by giving it total control. Also, I think this the future Ted Kaczynski may have been trying to warn us about in "Industrial Society and It's Future", I share some of his worries. In order to achieve true communism will humans build themselves a god? Probably. I don't think the machine mother will be born within our lifetimes, though.

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>Well regulated free market capitalism
Then it's not free market capitalism. It's an evenly mixed economy that physically removes the finance speculators, wall street bankers, and federal reserve. Too lazy to put all the ((()))

>So when Pew Research reports...
Hey look, Pew Research says you're lying

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Hey, look, Pew Research always says you're lying about that other claim

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>not knowing the difference between median and middle-class
I'm so sorry to hear that

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Median is almost by definition middle class, moron.

Can the middle class shrink in size, wealth and income yet the country's median wealth and income increase?

spoiler/[yes]

Clearly they do not.

you really don't know, do you

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Yes. It's a big scary thing where some measure of income is redistributed by the government. Evil things like public libraries, welfare, social security, food stamps, the census, fire departments, garbage and snow removal, sewers and street maintenance and lighting. And evil powers of coercion and force like police departments, the FBI, the CIA, the military, courts, prisons, and jails! Things that the great US of A would never entertain doing because they're communist.

From posts I've seen, they have no clue about socialism, so severely doubt it.

This.

It could, theoretically, but it requires extraordinary contortions, and is so likely we can dismiss it without equally extraordinary evidence.

What's more likely is you're confusing average (mean) with median. The median is the person in the middle, and thus is a good proxy for the typical person. The average on the other hand is a terrible proxy for the typical person, because it's highly distorted by extreme outliers.

>and is so UNlikely...

>it requires extraordinary contortions
No. All it requires is the upper and lower classes to equally increase in size, and for upper class wealth and wages increase, which is what has happened. Therefore, median household income increases, but middle class wealth and income hasn't.

No, the median does not increase in that case. Say this is the income distribution in the US:
1 3 3 3 3 3 5
Mean (average): 3
Median: 3

Now let's say the upper and lower classes increase in size, and the upper class gets richer, as you specified.
1 1 3 3 3 7 7
Mean (avg): 3.6
Median: Still 3

Let's do it again
1 1 1 3 9 9 9
Mean (avg): 4.7
Median: Still 3

As I pointed out, you're confusing the mean with the median. The median, which is used in the Pew studies, represents the middle class well. The mean (average), which you're incorrectly attempting to use to debunk those studies, does not.

"you just don't understand exactly how I want to do a whole lot of immoral shit, so you are the stupid one. Why don't you let me use violence and theft as political tools?" - communists, daily

No.

bump

Oh can I try?
It’s where they say that everyone gets the same stuff, but in reality, a very small few get everything and the vast majority get almost nothing. Anyone in the second category who complains is committing treason.
How did I do?

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do you understand what "im not responsible for you or anyone else, and i never will be" means?

>1 3 3 3 3 3 5 (21 total dollars) to 1 1 3 3 3 7 7 (25 total dollars)
Where did that money come from big guy? You just made an impossible scenario otherwise.

Its when the government runs Pizza Hut (means of production) and every one gets free pizza man. Its the best. You work at the pizza hut, you get the ration card and then you get the hot n fresh pussy.

Fully automated luxury iin outer space post-industrial Pizza Hut is where it's at.

you tell me,democrats are the ones supporting communist candidates

>Blames Republicans
>Posts a pic of 1960s Southern Democrats protesting integration

That's a picture of some Democrats. Surely you can find some tea party sign with "communism" on it.

You're just showing how poorly you understand math and statistics.

The economy grows, user. And even if it didn't, even if it was a zero sum game, then increasing the numbers for the rich would just lower the median. Which is contrary to your argument.

Problem is commies don't know what communism is.

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Republicans don't know what anything really is. They're just neurotic balls of fear and hatred.

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>Nothing is made in American factories anymore and hasn't been for decades. Did you write this in 1966 or something?

Fuckig wow, the ignorance in that statement is unreal.

Sign says it’s race mixing.
Is it race mixing?

Imagine believing this?

But this was written by a neurotic ball of fear and hatred.

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You didn't say that though.

>You're just showing how poorly you understand math and statistics.
Say the guy who can't understand basic economics and wealth transfer lol. The correct answer is inflation btw, which makes middle and lower class people poorer. It is a zero sum game, money/wealth/value is like energy, neither created nor destroyed, only transferred.

We have so many jobs we employee other nations to make our shit we have factories ready to go if you cunts get lippy we shall crash your economy why we pay an extra 25¢ for a week

Usa usa Usa

That's power and it helps we still mostly Honor GOD looking at you Europe.

And what the other user is saying is that the people who you think don't like communism arnt the hollering old white clung ts you think they are.
There has never been a good representation of communism ever.

Why try and compare communist bashing to racism you dumb cuck?

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Soy. The post.

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Again, you're showing your complete failure to understand a few basics.

Inflation makes everyone poorer, but both the Pew graphs are adjusted for real dollars, so they take into inflation into account.

But on top of that is real economic growth. If value, as you claim, never increased, then how can the poor of today afford things like lights, air conditioning, and cars, that were once only affordable to the rich? That's sheer nonsense.

But that's not what we were talking about, anyway. What we've been discussing is how the additional wealth created has been disproportionately going to the very wealthy.

You're trying to change the ground rules, and failing badly.

communism is awesome just ask any north korean. communism is knocking everyone down to the lowest common denominator so that everyones life is a hopeless starving piece of shit struggle. anyone who champions communism or socialism should be hanged. Trump 2020, 2024, 2028, 2032+++

At one point they knew that Spaniards and Mexicans are two different things. I don't think they do anymore.

FERRINERS IZ CUMMIN FER ER JERBS!!!
DA JOOS DID IT!!

>Truly the number of The Beast.

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Do Democrats or Libertarians..or Independents know? Prolly the fuck not.

They know enough to know these faggots were Democrats.
Conservatives are not in a position of power, so they need to know both arguments, JUST so they can hold their own.

Libcucks only need to cry, virtue signal, and cause violence. That's why they're losers.

The distinction traces back to the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, which dropped an artificial border down in the middle of what had only stopped being a Spanish colony and started being the sovereign nation of Mexico. Those living north of the new border were given the opportunity of staying there where they were, becoming US citizens of Spanish descent, or moving south and remain as Mexican citizens.
muriKKKans don't know dick about their own history.

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>Inflation makes everyone poorer
wrong. The rich receive the money that caused the inflation in the first place.
>If value, as you claim, never increased, then how can the poor of today afford things like lights, air conditioning, and cars, that were once only affordable to the rich?
Because of capitalism, which doesn't create money, it creates a transfer of labor and resources from demand into a product you consume. The value is held constant.

I find that labeling yourself as either a republican or Democrat only speaks to the vast emptiness that is your everyday waking existence. I only feel deep pity for those that are so quick to feel “pride” in a self created label. Poor things. But then again, I have sex, so maybe that has something to do with it.

I bet money one of those picketers has fantasized about cuckolding

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Not how inflation works, it's a hidden tax on both income and wealth, that hits everyone. It's caused by printing money, which does tend to disproportionately favor the rich, but specifically the finance industry, then the capital industries, then consumers.

And dysfunctional capitalism certainly creates money, see the inflation/printing money paragraph above. But so does any type of economy where the state wants more money, but wants to hide it.

The claim that value isn't created, however, is just plain nonsense. We have a much higher standard of living today, than a 100 years ago, or 500 years ago.

>it's a hidden tax on both income and wealth, that hits everyone.
except for those 3's and 1's in your example.
>The claim that value isn't created, however, is just plain nonsense.
No. The standard of living we have today is based off of extracting resources and gaining knowledge in order to create a industrial society. We weren't peasant farmers one day and then *poof* modern society was given to us from nothing. Value goes in and equal value comes out, the only thing that has changed is the liquidity of the exchange of value.

No, inflation hits everyone.

And if you think value can't be added, and that the US no richer than it was 100 years ago, or that it's poorer than China because there are less people, feel free. It's like thinking that fire is water and water is fire, tho.

>No, inflation hits everyone.
Tell that to everyone who got bailed out in 2008 retard.

Inflation didn't bail them out, user.

You're right, our government did. and then those 3's and 1's got hit the hardest. Sure, the rich got hit slightly by inflation, but you state that it affects everybody the same.

is this lady a communist?

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No, I didn't state inflation affects everyone the same. I explained the effects quite clearly, here. But the government giving people money is NOT inflation. It's the government giving people money. Two entirely different things, like how water and fire are different things.

Google describes it as

noun

a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

I know you fuck pig you dog fuckers

>It's caused by printing money, which does tend to disproportionately favor the rich
ok so you admit your example with the numbers is flawed then. Thanks, that's all I wanted to hear.

>t. IT'S NOT COMMUNISM!!! I'M JUST USING "PARTS" OF IT!!!

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>Do republicans know
nope

That has nothing to do with the numbers, user. They were an illustration based on your example, showing how your conclusions were inaccurate. Nothing more.

I bet you're projecting.

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>showing how your conclusions were inaccurate
which ones?

Modern Republicans have extremely low IQs. They're basic retards in every way. Brainwashed easily and always ready to hate what FOX tells them to.

They're anti-science, anti-fact, anti- education subhumans of the lowest order.

So to answer your question: No, they've been calling everyone and everything "commies" since the fucking 40s and not a single one of them has ever or will ever comprehend what that word actually means.

>They're anti-science, anti-fact, anti- education subhumans of the lowest order.
>either side is convinced by facts and science
kek. get real.

Confusing the median for the average, and thereby making false assumptions about the middle class.

>Confusing the median for the average
But you yourself couldn't prove otherwise, your example doesn't work because you created wealth out of nothing.

I proved exactly that, using the precise criteria you laid out. When you claimed the abstract mathematical example I used to display the falseness of your abstract mathematical claim using the precise criteria you specified was inaccurate because it didn't precisely match reality, I pointed out how adjusting for additional factors would just hurt your case even more.

And you're still arguing that the economy is a zero sum game, which is something exactly zero economists in the history of the world have ever believed.

>using the precise criteria you laid out.
You cant even get the criteria right. go ahead and try.

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Except I did. These were your criteria and my reply met all of them

And I already told you that you added money between each scenario. Where did that money come from? It came from inflation via printing money, and you have even said that inflation affects the poor and middle class MORE than it does the rich, so those 3's and 1's go down. Your example is UNREALISTIC. it is NOT real life. You are WRONG.

My example of basic math illustrated how the median does not go down when you increase the size of the lower and upper classes, and the wealth of the rich. Which is exactly what you claimed.

Now you're saying the string of seven one digit numbers that completely disproved your claim is invalid because it's not a perfect, complete simulation of every aspect of real life.

That's not how logic works, user.

>the median does not go down
I never claimed the median wealth goes down, i said the middle class wealth goes down and median wealth stays the same. You claimed earlier that median wealth and middle class wealth were the same thing, which they are not. God how fucking dense are you?

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I can't believe they didn't use the apostrophe properly

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I'm done.
Here's the mathematical ignoramus making a false claim because he confused the median and mean This disproves his claim Everything is just him trying to move the goalposts.
Though this post where he claims the economy of today and 500 years ago are the same is entertaining

oops first link should be

I agree with him-

No, right wingers are not that bright.

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>I-IT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM!!!1

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>I'm done.
That's how defeat works.
>false claim
you even said it could be true in your response autist.
>This disproves his claim
wrong

What a cringe position you took.

I grew up in West Germany and saw the border fence.

Yes, yes I do.

>Do republicans know what communism actually is?
Today's GOP? No.