Factory I work for got caught doing some illegal shit and now work is suspended and we're still getting paid...

They're forced to because they cannot fire us for what they have done. If we get at least a month of suspended work and we get fired us after that they have to pay us our best salary that we had plus at least 1month for every year worked and they can't negotiate and other bonuses because its not our fault. I don't know how it works where you're from but here in Spain its like that.

>They're forced to because they cannot fire us for what they have done
You are clearly hard of thinking. Where did I say they'd fire you? If the directors wind up the business as non-viable all assets are then taken by the administrators and used to pay off creditors, which includes the banks, suppliers and employees, with the banks first in line. If there's anything left it goes to the shareholders. If there are sufficient funds you'll get contracted redundancy; if there's not you'll get statutory minimum, which may have to be paid by the state. As far as the fines for the infringement go then that will probably be down to the company's insurers - if they're uninsured and funds have to be set aside from winding up the business to pay them then that's less for you and creditors to get.

Go read up on limited liability company law and administration.

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If the business doesn't have the assets to pay you what you believe you are entitled to, where does the money come from?

Did a little research on liquidation od Spanish limited companies
>Regarding the payments to creditors and associates, the rules set by the law for their execution are the following:
>The liquidators cannot allocate the company’s assets among the associates until all the creditors have been paid or the payment demands against the company have been settled
>The liquidators must first secure the payment of the payment demands
So you get a share of whatever is left once creditors are paid - employees are second in line. You better hope the company has lots of cash and assets, otherwise you're fucked, my Spanish friend

don't forget the damages they'll likely have to pay those machinist

OP better find a new job as soon as you can, them paychecks will dry up in a month or two

Sorry user you're hard to follow english is not my primary language. First, I work for a factory thats part of a multinational and they cannot claim to be out of money they're responsible. Second, its confirmed that they have done some bad shit so they will probably have to give tons of money to the affected parties but they cant obviously confirm that us and other workers didnt get affected because even though we're in different sectors the coolant (its like aerosol lube) was used in our work area but not as much as the machinists, we are all waiting for the union lawyer to tell us what to do we dont really have to do anything at this point they will offer the options.
Third, we dont get pay minimum here if something happens to a company lol.. companies are punished by the state and it happened several times already with billions of dollars in fines and you can bet they're insured, this was the work of managment trying to pocket money (we dont really know yet but its what other people are saying).

Are you working without affiliation to unions? because thats why u probably say that

You can't revoke a degree, dumbshit. Also, a company that goes bankrupt can't pay it's employees. You'll get unemployment. Good try, though.

>you can bet they're insured
their insurance will do jack shit if they did it on purpose

You can revoke a degree in a way, if for instance you practice nursing then you may be expelled from the college of nurses and no longer able to practice in the country. I'm Canadian though so can't speak for every country but I have seen this happen

Yeah i highly doubt ANY company besides apple has the cash flow to pay employees for an entire year without bringing in revenue

>First, I work for a factory thats part of a multinational and they cannot claim to be out of money they're responsible.
Not true
>Due to the economic and financial crisis in Spain, many companies declared bankruptcy in the past few years. Notably, Spanish subsidiaries of solvent German parent companies seem to prefer the legal option of company liquidation. You will be part of a legal Spanish entity with local directors - the failure of the Spanish subsidiary will not affect the parent and there will be no obligation for them to pay

>Are you working without affiliation to unions? because thats why u probably say that
No. I've worked as a director of a European company and I had to wind up a subsidiary company - cost the parent company nothing. Insurers will pay liabilities that the policy covers - which will probably be any health damage to victims. It will NOT cover employees wages in the case of liquidation, which is what will happen in this case. You're fucked, Spaniard

Its a factory not a company, the company has factories all around the world.
matters none the company isnt even from my country and they cannot relocate us to the nearest because its more than 200km away

>Its a factory not a company,
Go check. I'll bet it's a legal entity in Spanish law with its own local directors. So it's the local company that is liable. This is the absolute normal structure for any subsidiary factory as the Spanish authorities will want a legal Spanish entity that they can go after and enforce laws on.

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Go read your contract of employment and see who your contract is with - I bet you it's with a Spanish company

I would kill someone to be in this position

>I would kill someone to be in this position
Read the thread - OP is not where he thinks he is

Youre literally just trying to bring me down or something what is wrong with u? I came here to celebrate not to get a lesson from someone who just googled something. I think my union who has hundreds of thosuands of people and an army of lawyers knows more than you.
If they close and liquidate our factory they have to close other factories in spain and since they cant even close down ours because nothing is solved we're at least going to be employed until matters are resolved
I doubt that you know more than the lawyers working this not to offend u user

Jealous fag im out literally the only good thing that happened to me in the last 10 years and some autist from the us who lives in basement want to pretend profesional by googling something fuck you fag

Thats having your license revoked. Not the same. Those are called "boards" and when people graduate college, they go take their board exams. Then they must get a certain number of continuing education credits to maintain the license. If you do something illegal like stealing drugs, you can have your state license revoked. That has absolutely fuck-all to do with having your degree revoked.

They'll either close the plant or get it back online. Paying a couple hundred people $40k(?) is highly unlikely. I'll bet you'll be back online in less than a month, or permanently closed.

Its in the Unions best interest to keep people optimistic. Otherwise, they wouldn't be much of a union, would they?

No, I'm just telling you what the situation is so you understand the reality of your position - your union is lying to you, as they often do when they want to look like strong men who are in control.Here you go,

I've done some more research. If your local company declars insolvency and doesn't have the assets to pay all creditors and the employees, there is a Spanish state fund that will pay you a maximum of double the national minimum wage for a maximum of 120 days
>In terms of wages pending to be paid, the fund pays an amount which is the outcome of multiplying the double of the daily National Minimum Wage by the number of days of wages pending do be paid. There is a maximum of payment of 120 days since a change enacted by Royal Decree 20/2012 that entered into force the 15 July 2012 (before it was 150 days).

Here's some reading so you know I'm not lying. You may have to Google local Spanish versions if your English isn't up to it. Read them carefully, then read your contract of employment

uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/7-501-5564?transitionType=Default&contextData=(sc.Default)

eurofound.europa.eu/observatories/emcc/erm/legislation/spain-wage-guarantee-in-case-of-insolvency

mariscal-abogados.com/the-liquidation-of-companies-in-spain/

uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/1-608-1607?transitionType=Default&contextData=(sc.Default)&firstPage=true&bhcp=1

Understand that I don't give a fuck about you, but I have no interest in lying to you. But you better make sure you fully understand your legal rights because you are NOT about to be paid for doing nothing for a year.

I'm not jealous - I am genuinely one of the few people on Cred Forums who is over 60 and has had a career in engineering business, including having held three company directorships. I know what the fuck I'm talking about and I've dealt with unions and wound up companies.

I'll leave you to it, OP. Believe me or not - I don't care.

>If they close and liquidate our factory they have to close other factories in spain
Directorfag again. That depends on the legal structures. If each factory in Spain is a separate legal entity then they'll just close down yours. If they have multiple factories under one legal entity then the situation you describe could bring all of them down and cause liquidation of all Spanish factories. In the latter case then there will be more assets to distribute but more liabilities to pay

>I came here to celebrate
Looks like you have nothing to celebrate. When the bosses fuck up it's always the workers who end up paying. Always.

ITT OP came to brag about effectively winning the lottery until he was told the reality of his position by Cred Forums. Now OP is upset.

Just like my coworker who got fired by mistake and has been getting his full salary for the last 11 montsh after the union told him not to worry about it?
Why did big companies pay at least 50 billion dollars to be able to sell in europe then? haha come back when u actually know ur shit
Yes ure from the metallurgy union and know everything about it
Your right im upset because i come here to celebrate and retards who dont know shit bait me into arguing with them and they dont really know
I know u like getting fucked in your shithole country where companies close as soon as employees get close to unionise but here its established and my union hjas delivered several times so fuck you all

You've won the lottery my friend, have fun.

>Yes ure from the metallurgy union and know everything about it
I was in a Union for 15 years. Unions are Unions. Their core principle is the same all over the world.

Did you not read anything I linked you to. The most important quote is this one
>Due to the economic and financial crisis in Spain, many companies declared bankruptcy in the past few years. Notably, Spanish subsidiaries of solvent German parent companies seem to prefer the legal option of company liquidation.

The case you talked about was one employee who has a case of unfair dismaissal - this is not unusual but the amout they had to pay was one salary for 11 months. The company was still making stuff, still making a profit and able to pay. If all production has been stopped then the company will not be able to pay its debts and the directors have a legal obligation to liquidate the company.
>Why did big companies pay at least 50 billion dollars to be able to sell in europe then? haha come back when u actually know ur shit
What do you mean, pay 50 billion dollars to be able to sell in Europe? How did the company pay 50 billion dollars?

>Your right im upset because i come here to celebrate and retards who dont know shit bait me into arguing with them and they dont really know
They seem to know more than you do

>What do you mean, pay 50 billion dollars to be able to sell in Europe? How did the company pay 50 billion dollars?
It was delivered to the Rothchilds in a shiny aluminum briefcase by an evil man in a tophat and monocle.

In the last years companies have been paying fines in the 10s of billions of dollars like amazon to be able to keep their factories here after violating europe laws... and this is worse for this company because they endangered workers and they dont know how many were exposed so i know im keeping my job without working for at least a year they cant fire us after what they did, if u think they can u can probably google a similar situation that happened before me
tell me what german company closed here and ill tell u why that cant happen to me...
I dont know why u keep going with this when i told u they would have to shut down several other factories in spain if they dont want to pay us they cant do that

more than me, not more than lawyers
why would i google when im getting paid to get drunk in my house
multinationals with billions of dollars is going to close because of 1 factory out of hundreds lol

i feel that ure american who get fucked on a daily basis with 3 sicks days a year and no paid vacation who are jealous

OP, in all seriousness the people posting here don't know a thing. You're being baited by jealous autists with access to the internet, and you're falling for it hard. Get the fuck off here and have fun.

They get unemployment retard. It's why you have unemployment insurance. Jesus fuck do you not understand business

Im autistmo so thats why im celebrating here and getting drunk, every now and then i check whatsapp group and my coworkers are all celebrating and sharing the good news that come through i dont care what they say here but still im replying because im a retard and this is socialicing for me
but thank you im happy for the first time in years at least every morning ive been contemplating suicide but not gonna happen for at least a year

>In the last years companies have been paying fines in the 10s of billions of dollars like amazon to be able to keep their factories here after violating europe laws
Citation required

>tell me what german company closed here and ill tell u why that cant happen to me...
I don't have to - that was a quotation from an article written by a firm of Spanish Lawyers - Mariscal & Abogados Asociados. I gave you a link. They were using the German companies example to illustrate how solvent foreign companies were liquidating Spanish subsidiaries rather than pay the Spanish debts. Don't be to literal - see the point this illustrates.

>why would i google when im getting paid to get drunk in my house
To make sure you are not about to get fucked - which you are. if you don't do your homework you could be in for a nasty shock

But as I say - I don't give a fuck about you, am not lying to you and I'll leave you to it

>They get unemployment retard. It's why you have unemployment insurance. Jesus fuck do you not understand business
Yes. Yes I do. I understand that a liquidated company cannot pay, that you cannot insure for lost wages if a company goes under and I even found what the state support would be for OP if his company goes under - 2x national minimum wage for 120 days max.
eurofound.europa.eu/observatories/emcc/erm/legislation/spain-wage-guarantee-in-case-of-insolvency

You fucking morons who don't understand business think there's a magic money tree

>but thank you im happy for the first time in years at least every morning ive been contemplating suicide but not gonna happen for at least a year
The hangover is going to be far, far worse than you think

>Citation required
master at google, cant find this? google and amazon have been fined several billions already
>Don't be to literal - see the point this illustrates.
a small nazi company cry me a river
>o make sure you are not about to get fucked - which you are
im not, even if i get fired i have to get paid bonuses thats literally how it works here
i dont know the word in english but here if u get fired without reason they have to pay you full salary of your best year (1 month for each year+bonuses) and since we work in a factory some months are 12/hr day / 7days weeks, when you work on a holiday its 100% on your work hours (8 hours) 200% on your overtime (4 hours) so im good even if we get fired. And then the company has to rebuild with people who need training and which ahve been trained by them
You know how many of us have gone to portgual, germany, france to be trained during our work here? its ridiculous what you're saying

>in-case-of-insolvency
>insolvency
jajaja

You really are dim. If the company can't trade then it becomes insolvent because it can't pay its debts. A German multi-national is not a "small nazi company" but I can see you're too retarded to see I'm trying to help you.

I'm bored with you now - just remember this thread and my words when you find out what the real situation is. But I'll make you an absolute promise - you will NOT be paid for over a year for doing nothing. Now go get drunk with your stupid workmates while you can still afford it.

>If the company can't trade
I work for a company that has several factories only in spain how dumb are you why dont u get it?
>you will NOT be paid for over a year for doing nothing.
mad?

>mad?
No. Just sad that you haven't looked at anything I've given you links to, are stupid enough to believe your company will pay you for a year to do nothing, don't understand the different between being fired (which I never said you would be) and made redundant when a company goes into liquidation and not understand why a company cannot just stop all production for over a year and still survive to pay everyone's wages. As I said - I'm not mad, I don't care and I was trying to warn you.

I'm done now - trying to educate you in the realities of business is like trying to teach a pig to sing

You dont know the difference between a company and a factory and you're trying to lecture me haha goodbye now.
>why a company cannot just stop all production for over a year and still survive to pay everyone's wages.
A COMPANY ISNT A FACTORY YOU RETARDED OBESE AMERICAN

I told you that I was European - you don't pay attention, do you? Which is why you believe you'll be paid for a year.

I also told you that you will be employed by a Spanish company irrespective of where the headquarters are and there will either be one legal Spanish company for each factory, or one for all of the factories. But I see that sadly you're just too stupid to understand what I'm telling you.

Can you do yourself a favor and look for the legal name of the company you have an employment contract with?

Once you do that, can you look up the business registration for that entity name (in the US you go to your states secretary of state website, idk how it works in EU).

This will give you a lot of information so you can better GUESS as to what will happen.

my god OP, you are a cantankerous fellow.

(cont)
Here's an offer which I know you won't take me up on. I know you won't post the name of your company here, but post a throw-away email address, I'll email you, you can tell me the name of the company you work for and I'll find out via the Spanish Companies House what the legal structure of your factory is. Which is something I'll bet your union hasn't told you.

Enjoy user! Reminds me of my gap year where my uncle just gave me money and we drove all around utah

My first thought here is 'income insurance' taken out by the employer, in the event that they have to pay wages for employees that can't work for any reason.

Even under limited liability, there are liabilities and where there are liabilities, there's a market for insurance.

I've been telling him to do that but he's high on the misbelief he's just won a one-year meal ticket

spanish people are not known for being industrious.

i don't know what spanish people are known for, come to think of it.

>My first thought here is 'income insurance' taken out by the employer, in the event that they have to pay wages for employees that can't work for any reason.
You can't do that - no insurance company would offer it. Companies rely on being solvent and then the employees have to fall back on the state if the business fails and there's no money. An employee can take out insurance in case he loses his job, but the premiums are high and the conditions are onerous, so they often don't pay out. This is mainly to cover becoming permanently unwell and unable to work

I can ask I dont have my contract on hand
No you didnt tho but nice try, link me up that reply you fucking liar

Whats your job and country of origin?

you don't have your contract? why are you such an irresponsible twat. this is your agreement with the company and the basis for settling any and all disputes and you didn't save a copy.

Given how cavalier you have been about your employment, you think that someone will be looking out for your best interest.

die.

I'd definitely start looking for other work because it won't last. They'll perform some legal magic and somehow either stop paying you, transfer you to backhairistan (and consider refusal as resignation) or simply write the factory off as unviable and get rid of you all.

One thing you can guarantee of a company is maximum profits and if they're paying you they expect something in return, no matter what the law says. I have absolutely no doubt they are throwing stacks of cash at lawyers with the express intent of loopholing you out of being paid.

That being said, good luck you lucky bastard. I hope for your sake it does last and you can squeeze them for all you can get.

>No you didnt tho but nice try, link me up that reply you fucking liar
OK, here you go
>Go check. I'll bet it's a legal entity in Spanish law with its own local directors. So it's the local company that is liable.

>Go read your contract of employment and see who your contract is with - I bet you it's with a Spanish company

There you go. Two quotes where I told you to read your contract, find out who employed you, I bet you it was a Spanish company and told you to look them up. But you've demonstrated yet again your failure to grasp what you're being told

no worries, without having his employment contract in hand, OP is sure to get top of the line business advice!

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I have a copy I just dont have it with me. I'm currently at my house, when I got employed I was in my uncle's farm, I have a digital copy as well just not with me.I know you probably are working at mcdonalds or wallmart and youve been there for at least 3 months, but ive been workign for more than a decade, i couldnt care less about a contract in hand they cant touch me. I know you're used to getting fucked, Im not, I have a good salary and can retire earlier than most people, I have participated in several training programs and travelled around europe and climbed the ladder you're wasting your time with useless information recently acquired from google when I have lawyers that ahve been dealing with this type of stuff for years on end, and they still stand. If you think your corrupt shithole country that has been fucking you for years resembles mine, you're dead wrong, my country has fucked everything by being a welfare socialist state that cattesr to corrupt organizations and it will bend to my union's will. It has happened and it will happen again. Coworker of mine still getting paid after more than 10 months after being fired by mistake, lol if you think you know your shit good for you, but I bet my lawyers know more. Waste your words, Im going to jerk off and go to sleep now

The impression I'm getting is that the factory was shut due to a serious regulatory breach, it had nothing to do with being solvent or not.

If the factory has to be shut and employment laws do not permit redundancy, then the workers still have to be paid or found work to do(without a pay-cut and included in the employment contract) by the employer. Why other posters than started talking about liquidation law seems to be a case of them not understanding and just assuming the company is in the process of liquidation.

>lose his degree
This can't be real

>i couldnt care less about a contract in hand they cant touch me
Stupidity, the post.

The rest of the post is meaningless drivel and he raises once again the single case of unlawful dismissal, thinking this guarantees his year off with pay

>lose his degree
Larp harder, faggot.

>Why other posters than started talking about liquidation law seems to be a case of them not understanding and just assuming the company is in the process of liquidation.
Because OP seems to think he'll be paid for a year to do nothing, along with all of his workmates at the factory. I agree he's likely to be redeployed but, if he can't be, no company could be shut for over a year, still pay wages and remain solvent (which is what OP thinks will happen). In this case the directors would have to declare the business insolvent under European company law, as it's a criminal act to trade insolvently

>like in Spain you have any job security whatsoever
>like there aren't 2 wetbacks that won't do your job for half your wage with a smile

You're reaching because you know business user is right. I almost feel bad for you

Sadly I don't think he does. I think he really believes he's going to be paid for a year to do nothing and he's going to get a rude awakening. For his sake I hope he's just redeployed so he at least keeps earning but I fear that, if OP has been accurate with his description of what went on and the prediction of over a year to fix it, the factory owners will decide it's no longer viable, close it and toss OP and his workmates on the scrap-heap

They'd have to do that. Their number one obligation is to the investors

sudacas arent trained to do my job
Ill post again i bet you check the site everyday

>i bet you check the site everyday
You'd lose that bet, and I really don't care because I've got a very good idea of what's going to happen within a week or so - see this
. Besides, I thought you were going to jerk off and go to sleep now? Despite it being only 19:43. Or weren't you going to get drunk?

Lol if that makes you feel better user feel free.

>Ill post again
No you won't. You won't want to admit that you were wrong when the hammer of reality falls