Is heroine withdrawal really that bad?

My friend was the biggest pussy. Slept all day crying and moaning. The people that do heroin are already weak willed, so of course they ham it up.

because he's fucking broke

>that shit literally turns you into a completely different person
Just like psychiatric pills.

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u hate to see it

I've only gone through alcohol withdrawal and that can be nightmarish. You can drink water or eat, you can barely walk.

I would assume heroine is worse.

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This, also quitting alcohol cold turkey might even kill you

I really can't feel bad for drug addicts of any kind except for people who were forced to take the drugs.
If you decide to take a drug, become addicted to it, and ruin your own life, you LITERALLY cannot blame anyone but yourself.
Literally everyone knows drugs are bad but you still have retards who think they know better ruining their lives with them.

inspirational take, you should write a self help book

I've done this one far too many times and the first 2-3 days are hell depending on how hard you've been drinking. There's always one night with ultra intense nightmares and I'll wake up completely drenched in sweat. After that, shit is 100% back to normal. Overall, a gradual beer taper seems to be the way to go if you need to self-detox.

Do you feel bad for people with depression or PTSD? Often addicts are self medicating because of trauma.People don't decide to become addicts, it's often genetic. Grow up.

you're half right/ half being an asshole. the AA approach of "you're a victim, this is a disease, only god can help you" is sick and disingenuous, and people need to recognize that they were the ones who got themselves into this mess and the only ones who can get them out. but also, you're just being an asshole.

Opiate wd is the easy part. Opiates permanently change your brain and you'll spend the rest of your life internally fighting urge to say fuck it and get high. It's a lifelong battle, decades of internally conflict and suffering. The wd lasts like two weeks who gives a fuck

I think the worst part of it for me was not sleeping for about a week because my body simply forgot how to fall asleep without blacking out. The sweats, shakes, and audible hallucinations would have been bearable if I could have just rested for a little while in between.

>Do you feel bad for people with depression or PTSD?
MUH TRAUMA get the fuck over it you zoomer crybaby, my parents used to beat me with a belt you don't see me crying about it or drowning my sorrows with drugs an alcohol

The problem with this thinking is it does absolutely nothing to help people. Ok, it's their fault. Now what? Start leading them all into the gas Chambers? They don't deserve to die you retard. The way they got hooked shouldn't matter.

how do i come off benzos taken for more than a decade for social anxiety? and what would i substitute it with?

yes but its also clearly made you into an unlikable bitter asshole, so who's to say being stoic and detached is working any better for you

>my parents used to beat me with a belt
Fucking pussy. I'd beat you with a fucking bike chain if you were my brat. No one cares. There's no point whinging like a cunt is there?

Imagine comparing being disciplined for bad behavior by your parents to being sold into sex trafficking at age 9 or being conscripted to fight a war you don't give a shit about and get exploded and permanently disfigured as a teenager. You are pathetic.

extremely slowly

i did this cold turkey once after a year of recreational use and the withdrawal was legit the worst thing to ever happen to me, i'm still fucked up from it sometimes and that happened in 2017 if it's xanax you're on seriously do not fuck around, find a way to taper slowly unless you want permanent damage or worse

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I never had it last for a full week, but I'm usually completely awake for the first few days and that's the worst part. There comes a point where your body and mind are both exhausted and you still can't sleep no matter what and that part is horrible. The auditory hallucinations would start to kick in after 48 hours of no sleep and would continue for another day or so before a 12 hour crash. I've tried every OTC sleeping aid on the market and even tried a friend's muscle relaxers and pain pills just out of desperation for sleep. Alcohol is literally the only thing that works though so I'm basically screwed for 72 hours before my body just decides that it's time to shut down.

Yes look at all the feminists, they dont get a strong woman on a film and they go nuts!

Actually you wouldn't do shit because I'm 6'4 240 and built like a linebacker. I could smash you through a wall like I was the juggernaut and there's nothing you could do to stop me

>larping

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yeah Xanax withdrawal for sure gave me brain damage my doctor cut me off even though I'd been on 2mg a day for years and it was hell. Weeks of misery, rebound anxiety unlike anything ive ever seen. I came really close to losing my sanity completely desu

>I'd beat you with a fucking bike chain
Lmao

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Even if this were somehow true it just makes bitching about a belt beating that much more pathetic.

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Ooh you're a big man eh? You ever fight a fucking bullet to the face big man? I'd leave you sipping through a straw for the rest of your natural. Put you in a fucking wheelchair and roll you off a cliff you little bitch.

We got ourselves a badass here

haven't seen the film but in the book it's described as being pretty awful
actually i read naked lunch too but i don't really remember what burroughs wrote about it in that because he was an actual junkie who quit a few times

i have been taking klonopin 0.5mg for more than a decade but never religiously, since i was still in school and could go months shut in and thus didn't take them. i only take it when i need to go outside, but since i started working like 4-5 years ago i had to begin taking it mon-fri and somedays i feel like i have to take another 0.5mg totalling 1mg.

is my case that fucked up given the dosage? also what sort of perm damage? my whole problem is that i don't know how i would be able to cope with the crippling anxiety if i were benzo free, i would still need something to make me feel comfortable

same

i wouldnt wish that shit on my worst enemy, my head was all fucked up seriously thought i was dying, still feel it sometimes too but i'm just glad i got through it desu i'd probably kms if i had to go through that shit again

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Been through both alcohol and opiate withdrawals. Alcohol's relatively short but can be intense, opiate withdrawal can last for two fucking weeks and even then sleep is next to non existant. The latter was worse in my humble opinion.
6 months clean from opiates.
Just quit drinking 3 weeks ago for the umpteenth time, thank you acamprosate.

Bad food poisoning is worse, junkies are just weak

based

It was a wakeup call for me, never going near another prescription drug again as long as I live

You ever been magdumped big boi? The ole pump and dump drag em behind a stump? The one-two blasteroo?! This little ass nigga could end your life so why should we give a shit about your sniffles cause you got spanked twice as a child.

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>Took 6 - 8 mg of Klonopin regularly for about 9 years
>Decided to quit on my own over 12 weeks by tapering around 1 mg per week
>Still got 2 seizures (not severe though) and had constant headache, mood swings, low blood pressure, nausea, and had a tic in the corner of my eye for a few months even after stopping completely

0/10 would not withdraw from again.

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Was thinking of getting on xanax but this shit doesn't sound worth it.

idk shit about how powerful klonopin is but using anything that fucks with your gaba receptors for a decade is probably gonna be pretty suspect, long term damage can be a lot of things you should give the withdrawal symptom list a look and see what's what, personally i still get debilitating headaches at least once a month and some other shit but it's nothing compared to the 24/7 symptoms that hit you like a ton of bricks for the first months-year, that shit is nothin to fuck with

i dunno what to tell you about a replacement either but if you do decide to kick it just taper senpai you really don't want to find out how bad you got it the hard way
100% same bro, nothing in the world could convince me to jump back on that train

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>I’d beat you with a fucking bike chain
Kek

since i get it from a doctor i'm thinking about talking to him about this next time i see him. i'm also considering taking an MRI of my brain to see if there's anything wrong it and taper the klonopin down slowly for a few months and try my luck with l-theanine for a while, i've heard wonders about it and it's just an aminoacid, so nothing like a fucking benzodiazepine drug. 0.5mg is a very low dosage but when taken for many many years i guess there might be a fucking problem going on and i might be completely unaware of it.

I have had minor alcohol withdrawal symptoms and it wasn't fun.
>everything is shaky, even your voice
>insomnia
>if you do try to sleep you have nightmares and feel insanely hot
Once i'm done with that shit is start drinking again and the symptoms are back within a week or two of daily drinking.
Can't imagine how bad it can get with other substances.

I've been through both too, and xanax withdrawals.

Alchohol wasn't bad, but I managed to taper.

Heroin I withdrew from probably up to 20 times. Couldn't find the willpower to taper and I would periodically run out of cash and have no choice but withdraw. Was generally doing two grams a day, so withdrawals were intense. Didn't sleep for about a week, could not eat or drink anything, constantly feeling like I have to shit every 30 min. Throwing up stomach bile every 30 min. And the fucking restless legs and skin crawling, you cant get comfortable. On top of that you are overwhelmingly depressed. Been on subs and clean for ~3 years now and still get cravings.

Did xanax for just a couple weeks but I was taking 3 or 4 mg a day. Stopped cold Turkey and had a seizure at work. That shit sucked.

You know nothing until you've gone cold turkey on jacking off.

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

I abused Xanax for like 2 years and it's permanently fucked my dopamine receptors and social skills, and how I react to even the slightest bit of stress

Its really not a good idea when quitting time comes you better buckle up.

Move this fucking pity party to /b or whatever board is for self pity stories.

I'm not too sure about klonopin but everybody I've ever known on the shit was on at least 10x that dosage and they recovered after a while. I'm not saying it'll be a picnic but I'd have to imagine that on a low dosage like that you'd be fine.

i lost my health watching this scene on tv back in 2005, i was 24, and since then i am a worthess useless peice of shit of a crap 39 yo virgin with no moeny or job or friends or anything

This. For me, it’s the insomnia, restless legs, and puking bile that make Heroin withdrawal the worst. It’s weird too, when I went through WD from pills, I never puked, once I switched to dope I puke all the time.

Still not as bad quiting ADHD meds or anti-depressants

daddy D:

>Typing /b and not Cred Forums
You know where they pronounce the slash? Yeah go bitch there. Your red*it is showing

It's awful. People who say it's like the flu have no idea. U dont want to kill yourself from the crushing depression from the flu.
I always thought a great way to get information from terrorists at Guantanamo would be to give them family heroin injections and then stop cold Turkey. Those niggas would be begging to suck ur dick and tell u all their secrets.

Literally nobody self-pitying, tough guy

>And the fucking restless legs and skin crawling, you cant get comfortable.
This is the fucking worst. Tossing and turning in bed tired as fuck but unable to sleep, legs walking by themselves under the covers. It's the closest I've ever came to necking myself and I only went through it once after a year's habit.
Just the thought of going through that shit again keeps me clean.
If only my constitution was that strong against the booze.

Ironically I have never been to reddit. But I keep being called redditor by the literal faggots like you that probably came from there.

Working in a hospital and when you've seen someone puking up bile for 48 hours straight after withdrawing from crack and heroin. Yeah it's bad

Keep believing that pal. Save your stories for AA or the normies that pretend to give a shit.

>people sharing stories of drug and alcohol withdrawal
>wow, you're all pathetic, UNLIKE ME

Get a grip, you sad shit, or post films relating to the topic.

just do shrooms or MDMA or weed like normal people jeez

That internal suffering and longing for the drug is inherent in all drugs desu

I had to quit weed for a high paying job amongst other drugs like mdma, acid, ketamine... and every day I wonder if I'd just be happier being a poor stoner instead of a rich sober boring person, with no personal insights, completely going with the flow, being in the moment, and having amazing nights with friends

You really miss the drug even after years, it's always in the back of your mind

We get it big boy, you're one of these Internet badass

Gotta find something else to replace the booze with. Sounds trite, I know, but I started swimming a couple days a week, worked my way up to 5 days a week, and now I just drink socially. Exercise is key, it just sucks at first, but u get in the habit eventually.

Only weak minded degenerate pussies get addicted to drugs and alcohol.

Yeah as I mentioned in my first post; 3 weeks no booze. Acamprosate helps with the cravings, I'm active daily, lost a few kilos, feeling healthier. But damn life looks unbearably dull without drugs n drink in it.
I cannot drink socially, it's all or nothing for me.

is it really that bad if you view it as a kind of flu or some other random disease and not THE PENALTY FOR YOUR SINS? I mean I had the flu and couldn't sleep, speak, or eat for like 2 weeks, it was pretty fucked but in the end it wasn't that bad, it's not some sort of thing that darkens my past or anything

mdma once every 5-6 months is amazing

You gotta find a hobby that you enjoy.

Eh I've just slipped back into alcohol addiction after having a week of free time so I drank and became hooked again, I now wake up and within 2 hours of being awake im figuring out how to get another drink.

just slowly reduce dosage over time

How do I quit cold turkey from cold turkey?

Warm turkey

Judging from the result they should have straight up aborted you, fag.

Im on day 4 of H withdrawal but i got lucky and my doctor is tapering me off with oxy.

I still smoke weed once or twice a week and do the very occasional psychedelic to spice things up. You're right though, there's a hollowness to life that is systematic. Not sure how to deal with that. The prospect of my writing eventually getting to the point where I can be self sufficient from it is one of the few the few things that keeps me going.

Most people go through multiple withdrawals, they dont have the means to constantly buy dope. I mentioned I went through withdrawal prob 20 times and that's nothing compared to many others. I can attest that it is also much fucking worse than the flu. And their is a mental aspect to it, a shadow of depression and despair overwhelms all your thoughts and the cravings will never go away.

>drink almost every day for a year, maybe two
>start skipping days to slowly wean myself off
>notice no effects whatsoever, even if i go 2 days straight of sobriety

Am I just doing it right or did i not drink as much as i think i did?

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I'm on day 2-3 right now and it's pretty much exactly this. I'm tapering down from a fifth a day for several years and this shit is fucking miserable. Haven't slept at all, and the exhaustion is going to overwhelm me soon I can feel it. I've been sipping whiskey to stave off the shakes and constant itchiness, but that's all it does, it's not enough to knock me out. Dont know what to do.

the latter

Spot on

You didn't drink that much, or you only drank at night and sobered up in between, or lucky genetics, or any combination of the above

A bullet would work

After you've been hooked for that long you get diminishing returns as your tolerance builds. You need more and more to achieve the same high, such that even matching what you took last night can leave you withdrawing somewhat. Tapering down is going to be a very unpleasant experience no matter how slowly.

A very sad way of thinking edge master

I read somewhere that it hurts a lot to cum.

Because Americans treats drug addictions like it's a crime and not a disease.

That’s with anything really, even forming a memory is a physical occurrence and change in the brain

Yea, I only drank at night. I had to sober up for work in the morning because my boss is a hawk for that shit.

At my worst i was drinking probably 2/3 of a 26er of vodka on a worknight. And fuck knows how much on weekends

Good point

Nicotine withdrawals made me feel pretty similar to this. No sleep and constant sweating. Felt like hell for a good 2 weeks

Don’t take it every day and you’ll be good. And never mix with alcohol unless you wanna have a massive blackout

damn 2017 was when i stopped taking xans and went through withdrawel, the funny thing is i didn't even register it was because i had stopped taking xanax but yeah easily the worst experience of my life, i'm certain i had drug induced psychosis for a couple of days

SHOUTING
LAGER
LAGER
LAGER
LAGER

even as a marxist I pity him

Go to Russia where they put you in ketamine coma.

Well you tend to find that the longer you go between drinks, the less significant your withdrawals. You can go months or years drinking every night and be fine, or you can drink for 3-4 solid days and be fucked. It makes a real difference.

Alcohol is the worst drug out of all of them though, get too bloated, get too sleepy, hangovers, destroys your insides, what’s to like about it?

I quit xans back in 17 too and had the same experience. I was hallucinating seeing blob ghost things growing in the corners of rooms and one night looked out the window and saw santa in his sleigh...didnt eat or sleep for 7 days then slept for a couple days straight. I just layed on the floor all day struggling just to breathe.
Was quite alot worse than opiate withdrawal.

Just don’t use it daily and you’ll be fine, but it really just depends on genetics

>you have nightmares
I was fucking wondering why that was happening

Nicotine withdrawal is not even close

>t.former junkie

How old are you and how were you able to afford being essentially helpless for a week? I’d have people thinking I’ve been murdered

It feels like the flu.
The problem with any drug withdrawl isn't how bad the symptoms are, but you knowing how easily you can make it go away by using again, just a little bit... just enough to ease you over.

does anyone here take 5-htp?

i wish i could try medical grade heroine once, fuck that shitty street garbage

MECHA MECHA WHITE BOY

Alcohol Withdrawal can literally kill you

Seizures
Insomnia
High blood pressure
Tactile, auditory, and visual hallucinations
High fever and excessive sweating
Delirium tremens

That was when i was 23. I told my boss and family what was happening and had a bit of savings. My wife helped me through it too getting any meds or anything i needed.
I was blacked out for like a month straight towards the end of it and thats such a bad feeling.

what is heroine like?

Yeah but then you'll need to get off the oxy and that's gonna be even worse. Good luck though lol

My father is ten times the size he could smash you around like it's nothing. He will hear of this!

Like i said hes tapering it down lol. I get a smaller dose each week til im good. And no oxy withdrawal isnt worse than heroin withdrawal...

>benzos taken for more than a decade

Is your liver still functioning?

like getting sucked off by an angel while covered in a warm fuzzy blanket

Try 10 or 15 years fag

same receptors my guy. It's all essentially the same shit. Opiate withdrawals are opiate withdrawals

>take xanax once every couple of months
>wow, this is really fun and i feel great but it will stop being fun if i get addicted
>stop

honestly cannot understand how people take it for years on end, i feel retarded after like 2 days and just want to stop

Not as bad as NOFAP withdrawal

I usually keep a bottle in my medicine cabinet to help me tweak my sleep schedule when it gets too far off, but I try not to take it habitually.

Any drugs is bad for you the severity just varies. Weed fucked my memory and focus it's not that bad but I'd prefer to have gotten a heads up before I started but everyone acts like it has no long term effects. Also weed and fapping made me a coomer so thanks for that.

Shits fucked man. Coom is dangerous I've been on the nofap relapse cycle for 5 years now.

oh, good

Keep on keeping on man. The Western is world is literally trying to enslave you. Never deny the principle of struggle.

>i feel retarded after like 2 days and just want to stop
this desu. I have muh anxiety constantly, and ostensibly benzos would be perfect for me.
but they just make me do retarded embarassing things that I don't remember. I would prefer to be anxious and still have my mental faculties.

>you'll jizz in your pants once or twice while you sleep
do you at least get the wet dream to go along with it or is it something your body just gets rid of without fanfare?

Smoked weed for thirty years and currently have no long term effects, stop buying into propaganda.

yeah i miss having easy access to strong barbiturates

I was twitching around in my bed, i had like muscle spasms my family was pretty worried and overreacted and thought i was on heroin. i had 100 xanax bars in my room and i must've eaten them all because they were all gone the next time i looked and the reason i think i had drug induced psychosis was because i was in a weird mental state where i'd imagine something in my mind's eye like a conversation with my sister or something random and i'd somehow just think it had happened and i told my mum i spoke to my sister earlier that day and she told me i was home alone. it was bad but i got over it in like a few days to a week and i won't touch benzos again

I've detoxed several times and the worst insomnia I got was five days. Shit sucked bad and I was extremely delirious at that point. Usually it's three days or so.
Just tough it out. Your body will give in eventually. Also if you can afford to be shaky you should try to stop drinking altogether. You have to suffer the shakes eventually and the quicker you face them the quicker you can get rid of them.

That's easy to say when you have all your mental faculties intact

I did. Its good to put you to sleep but i still have been drinking while taking it. You need baclofen from doctor probably, and rehab

>The people that do heroin are already weak willed
Try not masturbating for a year

this. no tranny porn for 3 days, it's been absolute hell

Pretty fucking terrible. Been using on and off for years. Wouldnt wish it on anyone. Stick with bud. 0/10 would not recommend.

why do I love jerking it to trannies so much? The novelty? The taboo/wrongness of it on all levels? I'm not gay btw

Lol "gorilla" warfare. This might be the most obvious LARP I've come across on this board.

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If I dont have a little bit in my system I get violently ill and cant stop vomiting. I can tough out the shakes and sweats and insomnia but that I cant handle, once it gets to that point I just have to choke down enough liquor to stop the vomiting and choke down another Ensure. I've been logging my pint refills and I'm already down to half my previous amount - one 750 ml lasted two days instead of one - and the fact that I feel like shit must mean I'm moving in the right direction. You're right though, just gonna have to tough it out.

I can’t blame people because people are stupid and make dumb mistakes all the time. Once you’re addicted to something stopping isn’t all about willpower anymore.

It's almost as if there's an agenda being pushed to make you attracted to creatures you cannot breed with

Fuck
Was for

Apparently cigarettes are more addictive than heroine. Which I quit easily. Maybe junkies are just retarded.

kys newfag

me either. i'm possibly the most prolific tranny masturbator on this site though. been doing it for 14 years every single day. i recognize almost every thumbnail on every tranny & non-tranny pornsite there is

4th dimensional shitposting

>I'm not gay btw

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>only God can help you
The worst part of this thinking is that if these people stopped for a second and actually considered and stuck to their religious doctrine they’d realize that the ethical thing to do would be to help them.

>NOOOOOOO OH HECCERINOS I NEED MY DRUGGIE WUGGIES AAAHHHHH I'M LOSING WHAT'S LEFT OF MY MIIIIIIIINNNNDD

based

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I never had a doubt, but gun owners are pussies that need the steel to feel the power they don't have phisically.
Literal dickletts.

>Trainspotting
>American

I know it's not comparable, but I got withdrawal symptoms or something even when quitting SSRI meds.
Mood swings ofcourse because the SSRI was no more there to flatten out my highs and lows, when masturbating I could just do a few strokes and not even touch it and I'd cum. And constant electric shocks in my brain, for example: when walking and you take a step and your heel hits the ground, an electric jolt felt like going from my heel to my brain and sometimes the jolts were so frequent and distracting that I had trouble driving a car.
Really makes you think what kind of bullshit meds people are fed, that SSRI did jackshit for my problems and instead had severe side effects.

Stupidest meme ever. They're the "most addictive" only because the amount of willpower it takes to quit is exponentially lower than any real drug. Smoking cigarettes won't ruin your life until you're 60 and have cancer, the consequences are much more abstract and far off, so the recidivism rate for people who "try to quit" is much higher. Going through heroin or alcohol withdrawal is much more immediate and about a trillion times more unpleasant.

>I watch lesbos porn so now I'm a lesbian

Choose on topic posting.
Choose a relevant image.
Choose an intelligent discussion.
Choose linking sources.
Choose a fucking big infographic.
Choose (you)'s, Reddit, upvoting, and tripfagging.
Choose popular memes, Facebook comments, and respecting the board rules.
Choose watching e-celebs.
Choose respecting verified ticks on Twitter.
Choose not getting banned.
Choose using spoiler tags.
Choose starting a Discord with a range of fucking trannies.
Choose Twitch and wondering who you are on a Sunday morning.
Choose sitting on that chair posting mind-numbing, sprit-crushing threads, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth.
Choose rotting away at the end of it all, posting your last on a miserable blue board,
nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked-up posts you have spawned to replace your archived threads.
Choose your future. Choose on topic posting.

I chose not to post on topic. I chose something else.

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very slowly or else you'll get your brain fried like jp

>Start leading them all into the gas Chambers?
based
>They don't deserve to die you retard.
cringe

>conflates addiction with withdrawal
low IQ post. this entire thread is cringe btw

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kek

Withdrawal is the result of addiction, dipshit. Do you actually think smoking a cigarette is more addictive than taking a shot of heroin?

I catch myself constantly clenching my jaw. I release the tension in my jaw and realise I must have been clenching for hours. Not sure if its the side effects of caffeine or meth

wow look at eric kandell over here

Yeah, take it slow and steady. Just hang in there and you can get through it.

withdrawal is the result of downregulation (or upregulation) of gene expression affecting the number of receptors present on the surface of the neuron, causing neurotransmitter levels to get out of whack when the drug is removed.
addiction is a seperate process, made up of psychological and physical addiction.
the latter is thought to be related to Delta fos b, although I can't remember the details from my textbooks

Those electric jolts are the most annoying shit ever. Got them if I turned my head too suddenly.

>why would anybody just go cold turkey when you can phase it out slowly
Because at that point you’re a dumb junkie with no control and you will just backslide. You need to be so sick of being a junkie that it overcomes the pain of withdrawal.
Which in the end will be better because it’s memorable and discouraging relapse.

The soft programs of stepping down a dose are either bullshit and will result in relapse or are done by people who aren’t addicts to begin with.
You can be a habitual user and not be an addict. This is not something political policy can accept because it’s whole hog invested in the victim narrative.
There are plenty of people with functional lives taking drugs you never hear about because it’s never a real issue. Both low end jobs like truckers using stimulants to work 20 hours and sleep 4 or high level jobs like wallstreet broker or president.

A dude at work went cold turkey, ate nothing but yoghurt and bread for 6 weeks while locked in his apartment. Said it was one of the worst weeks of his life and that says something because he ran away from his religious nut family who were mormons.

Like when you're having heroin withdrawal or just in general?

tell us more. what shoudlnt we eat?

A lot of people have suffered much worse then having a belt striking their ass. There are people who suffer sexual abuse, daily physical and mental abuse and this is all from people who supposedly are there to love them from a very young age.

Shit like that things that happen to you like that as a child, theres no way to blame that person for turning to drugs. However, at some point they do need to take steps to change your destructive patterns and improve your life, whether that be AA, therapy or something else. If you never take the responsibility to seek help for your issues later in life then you become responsibly for said issues.

What did he mean by this

>tfw never did drugs and never drank alcohol

I just don't know why. Maybe it's one of the side-effects from being super poor.

It's the side effect of not having any friends loser

That is correct.

Reduce
Smoke pot to ease the pain
Can't really get "pot withdrawal" based on what I've seen. Heard from others that the lack of pot makes them itritatble but those guys were fucked to begin with since they were smoking 4gs a day

>life looks unbearably dull
>there's a hollowness to life
This is on you, not the withdrawl. Find joy in doing things that please you. They exist, you have to find what they are for you. Think hard about why drugs and drink make life 'exciting' or whatever. Hint: they don't, they numb you to reality.
Work out, eat healthy, get a hobby/hobbies, commit to them. The longer you spend doing things that you enjoy, if if it is only a tiny bit, the more you will get from them. Think positively as well, stop drawing yourself into mental traps like 'life sucks without getting high'. It is a waste of time and energy you could be putting towards something actually useful.
Don't bother replying 'but...'. Instead do something positive for yourself.

I took xan once at a rave for the first time and blacked out. Woke up the next day with a shit ton of dried blood on my nose. Apparently I fought some dealer who kept repeatedly asking me if I wanted coke and we just slugged at each other like madmen until me and him got separated and I got dropped off home

Never doing that again. I just stick to weed

Honestly, as a former drug addict I half way agree with this. Although I will say this. There are always people on this site that sit on their high horse and talk about addiction. But if you’ve never gone through addiction, most of the time you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.

That dull feeling like, "why and how would anyone ever do this sober?" Will become the opposite after enough time to reset your brain chemistry, for me it was about 3 months, now I have "I can't believe I used to do this drunk"

Sounds like me now and I’ve never done heroin

Why?

i was a heroin addict. it's not THAT bad, but yes it is fucking horrible. people who don't know what they're talking about say it's similar to the flu. it's not similar to the flu. it is 50x worse than the flu, every fiber of your being is aching and miserable and you can't sit still but every time you move you feel worse. you need to go through it to understand it, it's not really like anything a normal person can relate to like a cold or a flu. worse than that the whole time you're going through it you know that you can go out and get some shit and instantly feel better.
dont get into opiates

>LITERALLY
>Literally
Shut up faggot

Since you guys have survived addiction, it makes me wonder how that's affected your genes. Does that mean your descendants are going to be better resistant to drugs? Or more prone to getting addicted?

Main reason I wonder is because the other day at work some French coworker kept telling me how he avoids alcohol because of an "addiction gene" his family has; which was weird because wouldn't abusing alcohol a lot make you more resistant to it?

>community college student tells junkies what withdrawal is

my family definitely has some type of addiction gene. i somehow managed to quit using heroin with suboxone, and i quit smoking cigs around the same time after smoking for 10 years. my mothers family has a lot of addiction problems and it filtered down to me and my brother. my brother is also an addict, but he never quit, he's still using

Alcohol withdrawal is the only withdrawal that can KILL you outright.

What are you talking about? Drugs can't change your DNA. By "addiction gene" they mean that some people are genetically more at risk of becoming addicted if they drink or do drugs.
If your dad is a drunk and your grandad is a drunk then there is a higher chance of you becoming one too if you start drinking.

Evolution takes a long time. A family history of alcohol abuse probably goes back centuries. One person overcoming addiction is not going to change his genetic makeup enough to pass that along to his children. If anything the fact that he got addicted in the first place means there is a higher chance of his kids doing so as well.

Why do you think that is? I figured a guy with a history like yours would be more resistant to different types of addiction
Wonder if a study has been done on this

Its a valid question

why do i think what is? just because i quit doesn't really mean anything, i still have that addictive thing going on i think i just use it in different ways now

Good point, that would make the most sense

Good on you for stopping, but that's not enough to cause serious withdrawals. You would have gotten to 2 bottles a day eventually, maybe more. I was at 2 750ml bottles a day before I stopped and has to go to the hospital for 4 days of hell. Glad i was there though, seized a few times.

I wasn't trying to be rude, just confused by the question.

also ive tried a lot of drugs and i didn't like uppers at all. i don't think i could ever get addicted to things like coke or adderall, they just don't feed into what i want. i don't like that wired feeling at all. i also don't like alcohol, thats mostly what my mothers family has, lots of alcoholics. i hate being drunk. i mostly just like opiates

what was wrong with my post? i was responding to a brain-dead user who didn't know the difference between addiction and withdrawal, both terms having fairly precise definitions.
never claimed that science was a replacement for anecdotes and personal experiences

Alcohol is the most dangerous health wise, but not the most painful or longest, depending on your criteria for "worst" it's debatable

I'm pretty sure severe benzo withdrawal can also be lethal.

Should have listened but you were too cool for school.

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when you guys get diarrhea, do you also want to kneel in the bathtub naked and blackout?

No worries, figured it out
Probably asked it wrong due to not knowing how else to word it

Unironically this, it's a 6 hour orgasm where you're also the comfiest you've ever felt also.

Liquid jew demons doing their best to keep you drinking so you die.
>drank with some friends on thursday
>everyone drank an entire case of beer on their own (about 5 1/2 liters each) and we shared a bottle of vodka
>all of us were barely alive yesterday and no one drank
>two of us barely slept because we're alkys, i felt hot as shit and the other dude had nightmares
>i'm now home and drinking again
>thought i'd take a week or two to cool off
>mfw
It never ends.

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it's like a brain orgasm. it feels so good you can't even keep your eyes open. it's like the feeling you get when you're cumming, but it lasts for 2 hours.

So, what's the come down like?
How badly do you fiend after?
How did it change you as a person?
Was it worth it?

Alcohol is my usual poison.
My dad gave me some leftover weak opiates to me when I had back pain and I loved even that mild feeling. I know that I would get instantly hooked to them if I started using.

there is no come down from opiates, that's the dangerous thing about it. when you first start using it, you just get high, and then go back to normal. it's kind of like weed. the more you use it, the more you'll need to use because you build up a tolerance. sooner or later you realize you need it just to feel normal, when you don't have it you feel like shit. that gets worse and worse over time.
for some reason people think the heroin addicts are chasing the high, and that's not what i was doing after a certain point. yes the high feels amazing, but what you're mostly doing when you fiend for it is chasing after feeling normal, you need it just to feel normal once you're really addicted to it.
it didn't really change me, it just made me waste a portion of my life. it wasn't worth it.

I used to be a pretty bad alchy before I got my shit together and never had so much as a day of being in bed and puking a lot. How fucking much do you have to drink to go full on withdraw?

I will never understand how people can still drink so much in [current year]. There's much more "fulfilling" drugs out there, all easily accessible, that don't get you shitfaced and don't have withdrawals that can actually kill you.
>bros I'm slurring my words and I'm aggressive and shit
Plus alcohol doesn't actually taste all that great unless you're deep down the alcoholism hole.

Rest in Pieces user. You’re actually fucked. I did a ton of research into bento withdrawal after a really nasty withdrawal that gave me permanent tremors, the best part? I was only on 1 mg of Valium for 90 days to help with some insomnia.

Based. In 2020 everyone knows hard drugs are a a bad idea. Plus the arrogance of someone to think "yeah Ill try Heroin. Whats the worst that could happen?" Every heroin addict either OD's or lives like a scumbag junkie.

yall niggers need jesus

Well, I'm glad you recovered

coom withdrawals are very tough

why would you be glad? i could be banging your mom right now

>all easily accessible
Ha ha no. Not at all.
Weed maybe, but I hate weed and it's miserable for me, never understood the appeal.

Because that's not how drug addiction works, retard. You don't think about it quite so rationally. It's more that you want to get high, or at the very least get rid of the bad feelings of an oncoming withdrawal.

i drank 750ml of vodka a day for 15 years. I stopped drinking exactly 1 week ago, when does the withdrawal start?

It gets bad when you drink daily and so much that you're never really sober, like the first thing you do when you wake up is start drinking again. If your brain never gets to reset, the chemical balance gets all fucked up.

i couldn't get addicted to alcohol if i fucking tried; takes all of 3 shots to get drunk, tastes like shit going down every time and only gets worse the more drunk i get, and if i have even a drop over a certain amount i will guaranteed vomit up everything in my stomach in the last 24 hours and touch a drink again for a month - i don't even do anything when i'm drunk, just stumble around and fall asleep.

nicotine on the other hand has me actually fucked up pretty bad, wish i could stop using it but honestly i feel like the real problem is that i just don't really want to stop in the first place

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>Ha ha no. Not at all.
Actually yes. Obviously depends on where you live, but anywhere relevant in the world you can probably score all kinds of shit just by approaching any slightly shifty looking fellow at your local city center and saying hi.

No one just tries heroin. They all start with pills. Pills are expensive and when the habit grows unsustainable they either get sober or move to heroin.

Former junky here.

It's not nearly as extreme as the movie portrays. You don't hallucinate and writhe like you're dying. There's no screaming. Mostly you just lie in bed and ache and sweat a lot. At the same time you can't sit still. Occasionally you have to puke or shit diarrhea. It's hard to keep your thoughts straight because all you can think through withdrawals is that one hit off the foil would instantly make it all go away.

For what it's worth, when I got off it after two years I locked myself in my new apartment and spent a week playing the Bioshock games.

The most realistic depiction of heroin in cinema, as far as I know, is Gus Van Sant's Drugstore Cowboy. Heroin use isn't some amazing adventure like Trainspotting, or a morality play that leads to a crashing downfall like Requiem. It's mostly just mundane boredom as you move from place to place trying to stay high. And occasionally real life invades in tragic ways.

Waiting on a g of fent right now. Did a half at 7 this morning. That shit has no half life but it's cheap as dog shit. Niggers are always late.

I've been a IV opiate addict for 21 years. I've kicked morphine, heroin, methadone and fentanyl. Methadone is by far the worst. I've also kicked alcohol, and it's no where near opiates unless you're 60 an you've been drinking for 50 years. It's also over quick, and that you can taper. I tapered methadone do two months and when I finally stopped, I was still sick for 30 days. At no point did I sleep longer than 10-20 minutes a night during that time, had chills, sweats, shots.... But that's not the worst of it.

The worse part is the intense panic and sever depression while all the physical shit is happening. That's what they never tell you about.

I wouldn't be as glad in that case; since she's clearly lowered her standards a lot

Are you Jordan Peterson?

ask Ciara Horan

how are you niggers even affording an addiction
I couldnt take drugs even if I wanted to

He'll never understand but I try to use the food vs bathroom analogy: you get a craving for ice cream or greasy food but you can fairly easily eat something healthy or even drink water to feel full, that's a non addicts brain reaction. An addict however it's like having to take a raging piss, no matter what you do the only relief is ignoring it till it goes away (it does sometimes but always comes back) the only relief possible is taking a piss(doing whatever drug). It's more physical than mental, very hard to overcome. Non addicts don't have this so they don't understand.

>easily accessible
Excuse me but no. I may have a dozen friends but no one does drugs and no one knows how to get them, i'm not risking getting robbed by talking to shady niggers at 3am or calling the unknown number of a "weed dealer". Booze is my only option.
Sure it's shit, but it does the trick and has been doing the trick for seven-eight years now.

i went into withdrawal so much that i came up with my own remedy for it. i would take a bunch of loperamide, it helped with the stomach/diarrhea problems, then i'd get in bed and wrap myself in blankets with my bare feet sticking out of the blankets and a fan would blow on my feet. that helped calmed down the hot/cold flashes. i'd also take like 3-4 very hot showers a day.

just thinking of how withdrawal made me feel makes my skin crawl. im so glad im out of that trash

Oh shit forgot about him
Isn't he in the ICU for addiction rn?

theres no other more addicting drug than COOMing. it givse the most pleasure and is the hardest to abstain from

if you combine that with a meth binge you can destroy your endochrine system and have a schizo psychosis, hallucinate and end up urine drinking homeless tranny.

watch out for my book about all of this will be out soon. a book about gay sex and drinking urine

ooooo we got an internet tough guy

>if you combine that with a meth binge you can destroy your endochrine system and have a schizo psychosis, hallucinate and end up urine drinking homeless tranny.
sounds based.
>tfw no tweaker bf

>buying drugs from a street dealer
I'm not completely retarded.

you can't even buy shit on darknet markets easily anymore because of how regulated bitcoin is now (or you pay exorbitant interest for the shadier dealers). not to mention transaction times (or fees), bitcoin is shit.
it's pozzed and people have to return to IRL dealers because of it

ur mom wants my dirty dope peepee hahahaha

I could shoot you with a gun. That would stop you.

Pussy

>Excuse me but no. I may have a dozen friends but no one does drugs and no one knows how to get them
That's not normal.
You're obviously sheltered but let me tell you that scoring drugs is so fucking you couldn't even comprehend how easy it is.
And you're not getting fucking robbed if you approach a dealer in the middle of a public space.
At some point I had a phonebook of different dealers who'd all deliver to your doorstep (or anywhere you asked them to) and sad to say I've never been mugged once.

That's what you do when you're a sheltered paranoid like that user. Obviously if you have any kind of network you don't need that.

>weed, mdma, acid, ketamine
why would you have to quit all that? they aren't even the kind of drugs that completly fuck you up (as long as you're not a retarded about it). I'm pretty sure that many people in higher positions consume that kind of stuff every other weekend or so

>answers his own question

One way or another the people you're buying from are buying their shit from the same people who sell to the street dealers.

When you start seeing white mice

Ur dope peepee don't work no more cuz you fucked it up lmao

thats not what ur mom said last night LOL

this is exactly what a traumatized person would do, portray a tough image to the world and shut off from their emotions.
>you don't see me crying
i doubt you even have the ability to cry anymore.

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smoke weed from a water bottle in a bucked and later scrape the black pure evil oil concentrated thc residue from plastic into little black balls and smoke that shit up

Your brain is already fried

to get to delirium tremens with psychosis and hallucinations you need years of consistent heavy drinking

this thread brings back memories from the psychiatric and neurology wards. alcohol can fuck you up in ways you cannot even imagine

if you are traumatised bro try looking into urine therappy

this is not a joke

mantakchia.com/urine-therapy/

No, she told me it looked diseased; even SHE didn't want it lol

>either get sober or move to heroin
And there it is... GET SOBER dumb fucks. You just proved me point. You have to make the decision to switch to heroin. No excuse.

>from a water bottle in a bucked
excuse me what?

Only thing worse than opioid withdrawals are Benzo withdrawals

Literally just don't watch any porn
You're better off just staying away from Cred Forums, people post that shit all the time
The other difficult part is falling asleep, if your schedule is flexible then just stay up late until you're too tired to keep your eyes open
Or you could exercise to use up all that energy

Please elaborate so i can stop drinking 50cl rum minimum daily
I'm all ears

I spent like 1 year and half abusing MDMA and now I have random twitchs every so often and I really have a hard time remembering things or concentrating. People always treat it as a relatively harmless drug but it can be both addicting and dangerous.

you fill a butkcet with water. you take a plastic 1 or 2l bottle cut the bottom.

take the cap of the bottle and make a hole in it with a knife. insert glass pipe into hole in cap and put duct tape if necessary, screw cap back on into half cut boottle.

submerge almost entirely the plastic cut bottle with glass pipe inside, put weed or black thc evil turd if you want moar fun. light weed up and slowly raise bottle so the pressure from water takes the smoke from glass pipe into bottle and fill it entirely as you slowly raise it. once bottle is entirely filled with smoke and is white inside, take cap with pipe off and put your mouth on top of bottle and swallow that entire smoke for extra satanish hit

enjoy

arent you guys afraid of gyno and fucked endocrine? i would like to do a lot of drugs but the thought of being sissified deters me

No, heroin withdrawal is easy. I do it at least once every month.

(You)

that's called a gravity bong and it's really that fun to set up
ended up inhaling a lungful of water last time I tried

>it's really
not*

I don’t think anyone considers amphetamines “relatively harmless”
Anyone with half a brain knows they will wreck your dopamine receptors permanently

Reading all these stories about brain damage from quitting drugs cold turkey makes me wonder if i got brain damage from when i stopped taking my adhd meds

You got brain damage from taking the meds dummy. Getting off adhd meds was a good choice. Which ones were you taking?

for me it was very fun but obviously now I have to drink urine to regrow some brain matter and maybe go from 1/4 of a regular brain to 1/3 in a few years

You're all degenerates. Druggos are embarrassing.

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It doesn't I quit cold Turkey after 10 years of it.
Drink lots of water if sweats or other shit starts

Concerta xl

AA literally tells you all the shit you said. Granted the way out is to help other alcoholics but addicts and an allergy of the body and they initially choose to ignite it. AA says we started off with the power of choice but lost it. Still out fault. Literally the whole program is based on looking inward and admitting how much of a piece of shit you have been

Hello there asian/hapa

>implying addicts have enough self-control/willpower to do that

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

am I the only one that gets heart palpitations really regularly when I stop drinking? shit is scary, feels like I'm about to have a heart attack

>i drank 750ml of vodka a day for 15 years

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that's not "pure thc", that's fucking tar you cunt.

your already dead bro. this is hell

are you unaware of this? not baiting for meme yous

Go see a doctor, dummy.

Explain the mechanics of how you think that happens.

you see a doctor

>just get sober

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what am i, a biochemist? look up the articles, alcohol is especially sissifying when abused

Cred Forumswwwwwwwwww

It's worse

>taken for more than a decade...

Keep taking them because you're fucked.

Lmao probably the funniest thing I’ve seen today, other than your cuck dad watching me pork your mum. You’re such a fucking keyboard warrior. Be about it, bitch.