I have a question for all Sanders voters on this site; Why do you want to vote for Bernie?
Socialism has been proven time and again to be a completely unsustainable ideology. >Muh Nordic nations None of them are Socialist, they are open market societies with Socialist policies that have put a strain on their economy. All strictly Socialist societies (in recent history for example, Venezuela) have buckled and collapsed under the weight of their own failing economy within only a few decades at best, leading to mass poverty and starvation.
Besides this, Sanders doesn't even practice what he preaches. After the 2016 election, Sanders bought himself a $600,000 beach house. Something that, under Socialism, no one should be able to own. Besides this, he leads a generally affluent and luxurious lifestyle anyways, and has made incredibly racist remarks towards white people. Ex. "If you are white, you have no idea what it is to be poor, or what it is like to live in a ghetto."
So, he is a racist, therefore he will not bring equality. He is a Socialist, and therefore will not bring economic stability. He is a wealthy, old, Jewish man, and as such will not work to undermine or reconstruct our corrupt political leadership.
If the Nordic countries are not Socialist, then neither is Bernie Sanders. You can't have your cake and eat it too and say universal healthcare is socialism, then when someone points to rich countries with universal healthcare, you say those countries aren't socialist. Sanders is more laissez-faire capitalist than Dwight D. Eisenhower was,
Nigga I'm European. And Sanders would be considered maximum middle in our politics. But you murricans prefer voting for Hillary or trump lel
Brody Nguyen
>Anyone I don't like is a Russian bot/paid shill Nice Ad Hom, how about you actually address the argument itself?
Josiah James
It's not the opinion it's the board spamming. And you continue to be as predictable as expected
Gavin Ramirez
>You can't have your cake and eat it too and say universal healthcare is socialism Universal Healthcare is a Socialist policy, and in Canada and the Nordic countries it has lead to a decrease in the quality of services received at hospitals, and it has put a remarkable strain on their economy.
This does not mean that the entirety of those countries are Socialist, in fact my argument is that the only reason their economies haven't collapsed entirely is because they are propped up by the existing free enterprise bringing wealth into those countries to counterbalance their Socialist policies.
but then by that logic Sanders isn't socialist, he doesn't want to away with the free market entirely, he just believes that when it comes to certain services, like healthcare, public interest should be the driving force and not profit motive
James Peterson
This shit is so fucking boring and stupid user. Get a life
Michael Powell
>And you continue to be as predictable as expected In what fashion? I asked you to make a rational argument in favor of your ideology instead of wildly swinging the old and tired accusations of "Paid shill" and "spam bot."
You can either engage in legitimate discourse to defend your way of thinking, or discredit yourself by going ad hom and bringing nothing to the table.
>It's not the opinion it's the board spamming I haven't spammed, this is the first thread I've created about this topic in months.
Christopher Wright
The question all of you should ask is whether you want to make your healthcare decisions or not.
If you want socialized healthcare, then some beurocrat is going to make them. And they really don't give a crap about you.
Funny part is you pay either way.
Jeremiah Nelson
the idea of sanders is to do the same kind of thing than in europe, to let private business flourish but in the same time to tax a part of the private profits to allow bigger social helps than just very basics help for very poor people. I'm european myself and it works really well honestly, the healthcare system is a really good example of it. Saying that sanders is a communist or socialist is misleading in the sens that he doesn't want the state to own the means of productions
and in our current system, some vampiric insurance company or your boss makes the decisions
Luke Hughes
Agreed.
People are so fucking stupid. Sanders is here to save capitalism not get rid of it. Stop confusing socialism with communism.
Justin Rivera
>he just believes that when it comes to certain services, like healthcare, public interest should be the driving force and not profit motive He also wants to wildly drive up the minimum wage to reach wealth equality and has declared himself as a Socialist. Given time and power, I am absolutely sure he would continue along this path to eventually implement complete Socialism into the society. Besides that, as I have stated, Socialist policies always hurt the economy and the people within a nation, which is a problem whether or not the entire nation is completely Socialist in nature.
Samuel Flores
Still 6 posters in here. OP is a highly motivated poster it would appear
Because I base my vote on actual policies, not nebulous political labels. I want expanded reform that expands access to healthcare. I want aggressive environmental policy to reverse the effects of climate change. I want workers to be able to organize and bargain for better working conditions. Sanders has pledged to try and enact these policies. That's why I support him.
Lucas Ross
>some vampiric insurance company or your boss makes the decisions Then campaign against insurance lobbying to get the rights to decide your healthcare needs for yourself, don't hand the little power you have to Big Brother.
David Ward
You are confusing care with insurance. Yes insurance is complicated and doesnt cover everything, but the decision is still yours. Worst case scenario is you have to setup a payment plan with the hospital, but don't they deserve it for saving your life?
Not that user, but personally I hate insurance as a conept. If I want healthcare, I should pay for it myself out of my pocket, without a middleman involved to drive up costs. All insurance has done since its inception is drive up the cost of living as well as the costs of goods and services.
Someone is getting paid by the word. It shows in the lack of effort
Xavier Bailey
bernie would be consider a very average leftist politician in europe, and it doesn't mean that the economy here is bad of worst than before, it's quite the contrary in fact. Once you lived in a country with strong social security it's hard to imagine living without it
Jacob Hall
Do you honestly think that this affluent old Jew gives half of shit about the working class? That's like all the rednecks that think Donald Trump actually cares about anyone who makes less than $10M per year.
Aaron Wright
Yes in some ways it is better to just pay directly for things, but insurance does serve a purpose. People just need to start seeing insurance as catastrophic (like fire & flood for a home) instead of a coverall policy for everything...then it would be cheaper.
Henry Harris
He wants to raise the minimum wage to $15/hour, which is hardly wild if you look at the math regarding employer profits and employee wages. Focusing on the fact that he calls himself is quibbling over semantics, if you actually look at his proposed policies, taxes were higher for the wealthy in the 1950s than they would be under Sanders' plan.
Isaiah Jenkins
No we do not, that was fucking awful and no one wants to do it again. But you know, rigged primaries and what not. That's how you get a Hillary on the ballot
Hudson Kelly
>He said, in the ruins of capitalism Think before you speak.
you can still go to any doctor you want with medicare for all, under the current system, many people don't have freedom when comes healthcare or insurance because they depend on being insured by their employer
Brandon Martinez
>Another "Bernie is a socialist" post
Brayden Sanders
>I want expanded reform that expands access to healthcare How would this be achieved? What would it do for you and the people of your nation? How would it be paid for?
> I want aggressive environmental policy to reverse the effects of climate change Ditto above, but I also want to ask what makes you think radical action, especially radical action that threatens to destroy our economy will do to help when fossil fuels are already on their way out the door because of strides being made in solar, wind, and nuclear energy?
>I want workers to be able to organize and bargain for better working conditions How would Sanders achieve this? In Sander's America of everyone having economically unfeasible minimum wages and ridiculous benefits, why would this be necessary?
Some of us burgers think they should both be taken out
Hudson Bailey
not an argument
Dominic Lopez
Insurance has always driven up the cost of living. It is a pot that you throw your money into for other people to take as they need it, which is fine in concept, but in reality it pays for corporate lobbying and billionaire salaries. It should be done away with, and people should instead simply create a universal emergency fund for themselves at their own expenses, or rely on charities.
Yes, only consider the Amazon's and McDonald's. Nothing bad will come of this.. Can't wait for that coast to coast strip mall of nothing but major chain stores you keep fighting for. No one wants to lower costs. They just want to keep raising them until mom and pop start ups are a thing of the past. It's cool. Starbucks is the end all be all greatest cup of coffee ever, right?
Someone just shoot me already. Nothing is getting better holy fuck.
Angel Morgan
And we're full circle. Sage the propaganda threads
Kevin Wright
Pretty good evidence he doesn't practice what he peaches tho and you might not get what he's talking about promising. Lurn2extrapolate an faggot
Zachary Turner
>Can't wait for that coast to coast strip mall of nothing but major chain stores you keep fighting for. that's already happening
Isaiah Davis
Single payer health care with universal access. Large-scale transformation of the U.S. energy sector from fossil fuels to renewable energy. Support of legislation that protects collective bargaining rights. I don't know if you're familiar with the concept of taxation, but that's typically how these sorts of things are paid for.
Cameron Anderson
>taxes were higher for the wealthy in the 1950s than they would be under Sanders' plan. That's not my concern, my concern is with the increased cost of living that will be incurred because - believe it or not - companies that pay their employees minimum wage often do so because they like higher profit margins. When the minimum wage is increased, they will increase the prices of their goods and services to make up for it which will only increase inflation and hurt the poor. Besides that, taxes on the poor will increase to pay for his other policies, such as his universal healthcare and education shite.
I believe in the cessation of all non-essential programs and a flat income tax for all citizens and corporations, with simple and clear laws that have no exceptions or loopholes. I believe that Sanders will only increase the current levels of bureaucratic fuckery and poor stomping currently in place in our society.
Jaxson Williams
Again you are confusing care with insurance. Medical care is a limited resource, and if you make it free for all...demand will increase ridiculously...like in many countries where people die waiting months for a surgical spot to open. And I say surgical because surgery is generally cheaper than medical treatments, so government systems push it. And these people have no options other than to wait or go to a country like the US where people actually get to choose their care by using their money.
Jayden Taylor
Get a fucking life shill
Charles Evans
Is he hypocritical for doing that? Sure. But one man's personal hypocrisy doesn't refute the arguments that man makes if they regard society as a whole. If someone says "murder is bad" then goes and murders someone, we don't "murder is okay" because the guy who said "murder is bad" is a hypocrite.
Zachary Phillips
Bernie is not a real socialist. He is a democratic socialist. I like the idea of taking money from people who has too much to do anything with. Besos is spending 10B on climate change and will still not effect his life style in any way. like shit let Bernie make a plan. Lets fix our shitty health care. Lets stop spending so much on military when we are not in any declared fucking war. Like we spend millions to blow up a 10 dollar tent isis made.
Caleb Cruz
Invalid belief. The profit margin on insurance is around 1%...it is not a profitable system.
Jeremiah Evans
that's why you raise taxes so that we can supply healthcare
Anthony Sullivan
>Single payer health care with universal access Which has lead to economic strain and lower quality of service in other countries where it has been implemented
> Large-scale transformation of the U.S. energy sector from fossil fuels to renewable energy The economic strain of which will only serve to increase the cost of living for poor Americans as affordable companies are uprooted and converted to much more expensive and experimental forms of energy that also require a shitload more land to maintain for things such as solar fields and wind farms.
>Support of legislation that protects collective bargaining rights Legislation put forward by business tycoons with armies of lawyers that will ensure there are loopholes to slip through and strangle the workers with.
>I don't know if you're familiar with the concept of taxation Oh I am, it's the reason I have trouble affording my groceries.
James Rogers
actually Bernie's a Social Democrat
Parker Bell
Nice argument faggot. Anything more to say?
Kevin Barnes
if you can't afford groceries, you're either don't make enough money for taxation to be the reason, or you're living beyond your means
Caleb Brooks
We give away BILLIONS in foreign aid every year....don't act like we can't afford to help people in America to.
Henry Bennett
>Socialist policies that have put a strain on their economy really? what strain? As a Dane, I'm quite curious to learn what you know about my situation that I don't.
Ayden Sanchez
You sure as hell dont but you're going to keep talking anyway. Shill
Jaxson Howard
The only reason you're here is to incite argument
Jacob Gray
If you're going to make claims about the quality of health care in other countries without evidence, then I'll hope you'll forgive me if I treat your claims with a great deal of skepticism. The same goes for your claims about energy policy and collective bargaining.
Hunter Cox
>Universal Healthcare is a Socialist policy, and in Canada and the Nordic countries it has lead to a decrease in the quality of services received at hospitals Dane here again.. lol no.
Jordan Nguyen
ikr >taxes to pay for social programs bad >taxes for foreign aid and wars good
>you're either don't make enough money for taxation to be the reason, or you're living beyond your means
I live in a single income household where we are living paycheck to paycheck. We make enough to get by, but if we didn't lose 30% of the check to big brother things would go a lot smoother.
Ryder Wilson
Your effective tax rate is 30%?? Where the fuck do you live?
Ian Foster
Oh so you are a angry poorfag doing nothing to better your situation and Gov't is the boogeyman. Why didn't you just say so in the first place?
Idiot.
Grayson Peterson
Yes. I challenge people defend their ideas in the crucible of public opinion so as to strengthen good arguments, and destroy weak ones. intellectual diversity is important to me.
You are in this thread of your own free will. I did not drag you in here and you are free to leave at any time.
>Sh-sh-shill shill! -Shilly shill shill shill How about you come up with a real argument?
Oh god yes, I love when non-Americans lecture us about politics.
Mason Perry
You've given no counter evidence, so I'd like to think that we're even.
The data's out there but I don't have it saved on this computer. Still, it's not that difficult to figure out rationally. When everyone throws their money into a pot for anyone to use but someone has to get paid for managing the pot, it leaves less money for those who chipped in.
William Sanchez
user, why are you repeating yourself over and over again? No one wants to teach you anything go get an education away from Cred Forums
Hudson Young
>lol no. Nice. Wanna back that up?
Nolan Diaz
Counter-evidence for what? Anything presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Anthony Martin
The midwest. Don't like giving specifics though.
Elijah James
Lost. You fucking mong.
Levi Richardson
>user, why are you repeating yourself over and over again? Where?
But to answer your question, it's probably because someone else made the same point multiple times.
Bentley Torres
>Anything presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Then don't pretend you stand on an intellectual high ground. If I made a claim and you refused to find evidence against it, we are on the same level.
William Davis
I bet you're missing most if not all of your teeth. Is there inbreeding in the family or just alcoholism?
You don't exactly exude legacy vibes, user. You ought to know you look like a fucking hick to anyone with half a brain
Andrew Campbell
>Lost. You fucking mong. Do you have a counter point or are you going to go Ad hominem without anything to back it up like some faggot who has lost the argument?
Lol you fucked up the semantics on that one. What an idiot
Isaiah Wood
>I bet you're missing most if not all of your teeth. Is there inbreeding in the family or just alcoholism? I have a few fillings, but haven't lost any teeth. Dad was a bit of a party animal in his twenties but mostly settled down once he got diverticulitis.
>You ought to know you look like a fucking hick to anyone with half a brain Is there a reason for that, or are you just throwing insults to try and distract from the argument at hand?
Justin Russell
It's like you're a clown willing to do anything to keep us laughing. Try a different tactic shartbritches
Landon Cook
This is what autism and impotence looks like. Wringing yourself out like a pathetic tired rag
Ian Cox
>Lol you fucked up the semantics on that one. Okay, but where? Are you going to explain your point or are you just going to falsely claim superiority with nothing to back it up, as a child does when confronted with an idea he dislikes?
I repeat; Are you going to provide something to back your claims up, or are you going to petulantly make blanket statements and throw insults continually?
Mason Cooper
I'm not pretending anything, bro. Let's back up. You made a claim about single payer health care leading to "economic strain and lower quality of service in other countries where it has been implemented". That was you, right? You're not slipping into someone else's argument, are you? I want to start with that because I don't feel like walking through every single point you made in a single post.
What am I supposed to say to that? You didn't specify which countries, or by which metric we're measuring "economic strain" or "quality of service". If you want a counter-argument, that's fine, but you'll have to meet me halfway and be a little bit more specific in your arguments.
Sebastian Collins
hello satan
Hudson Rivera
Hi. Always nice to meet a fan.
Michael Parker
Checked. He's a shill user he's sowing wasted time and that's all. Don't bother reasoning with it. Anyone this brazenly polarized deserves only ridicule or to be ignored. He's the dunce cap boy
Bentley Gonzalez
Someone has never read a book with type smaller than 20pt
Dylan Perry
Well I am voting for Trump again. I am a 9 to 5 guy but if the Liberals wanna fuck things up with socialism and pay lazy fucks to sit on their ass and not work...guess what? I will be one of those lazy fucks. I will sign up for every handout out there. I swear Liberals are too stupid to see reality. I know things need to get better in some ways but dammit use common sense.
Kevin Cooper
>You didn't specify which countries Canada and the Nordic countries where single-payer systems have been implemented. The only people who report higher qualities of service are the deeply impoverished/homeless, illegal immigrants and refugees. Working and middle class peoples almost universally report that the quality has gone down tremendously.
Economic strain should be pretty simple; How high taxes are being raised and how much debt is being accumulated. How much more the respective government and populace are paying in this specific area.
>quality of service How quickly you are seen, how many lives are saved vs lost, how many revisits are required, how difficult it is to schedule an appointment, etc.. Mostly gathered from polls.
Michael Ortiz
I'm not disputing that paid shills propagating certain ideologies exist. But then, there are many people who spew asinine opinions for free.
Alexander Lopez
>He's a shill What makes you say that? If I dislike the person you are pushing for, am I automatically a Shill?
If it helps, I'll tell you I dislike Trump as well. He spends too little time actually doing his job and too much time at Mar Largo.
Samuel Adams
Look how quickly he replies with these massive posts. If he's not disingenuous he's literally manic
Jaxon Cox
I have reading glasses. and Harlan Elison is my favorite author.
Justin Hall
Okay, now we're getting somewhere. Let's see a source for the supposed diverging reports about quality of service. I mean, am I supposed to just take your word for that? Fuck no. You're just some user on a message board. I want to hear from actual people in those countries. If you're aware of polls that back up your claims, then it should be trivial to post links to them.
Eli Stewart
Pfffft glasses? Kek Manic author for a manic mind.
Samuel Hernandez
>If he's not disingenuous he's literally manic I have been diagnosed with manic depression, but I made this post because I wanted to see if Bernie supporters actually had any good points for supporting him.
This is one of my hobbies, and yeah I'll admit it's a little sad but I find it stimulating.
Lucas Moore
>Manic author for a manic mind. Yes.
Evan Jones
user the poster count didn't increase. You're failing at this badly
Robert Howard
>If you're aware of polls that back up your claims, then it should be trivial to post links to them.
I never remember specific names, I just remember data.
If this werre an academic argument I would absolutely go through the trouble of sifting through data and giving you concrete numbers from respectable sources, but this is an internet argument I started on Cred Forums for shits because I've got nothing else to do.
I hope you believe me when I say that I'm sorry for not having the motivation to go dig that out for you, but this is a simple hobby for me, and while I will espouse my ideas and shoot logic back and for I find the data collection portion of academic argumentation incredibly tedious.
Leo Ross
OK buddy, good talk.
Jackson Morgan
the healthcare system in Denmark works fine, that's the point.
Tyler Howard
Get a real life or professional help or just stop plugging your childish thoughts into your speech cortex. If you can't improve your obviously backwards mind you are better off dead.
And yeah maybe read a single book not written by a self proclaimed looney.
Isaac Diaz
I would encourage you to think about this and research it if you feel like it though. Socialism is economically infeasible. I don't have the perfect answer for all our ills, but I know what doesn't work.
But yeah, good talk.
Grayson Gray
>If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past
Yeah, I know it's about antisemitism, but it's always interesting to see how different groups play the same stupid games.
Wow you are a rinky dink malformed tugboat of misery afloat on self aggrandizing ocean of "I don't understand how anything works but here's my interpretation."
Dig a hole and stay there for fucks sake
John Ross
what "socialist" idea do you not like about Bernie?
Michael Garcia
Sorry user the dunce corner reading material differs from what everyone else accesses. Get a fucking education before you tell others what to do
Caleb Smith
>Get a real life or professional help or just stop plugging your childish thoughts into your speech cortex May I suggest you find something better to do than attack someone on the internet about faults they have already admitted to because they have a disagreement in opinion with you.
If you are so insecure about yourself that you feel the constant need to insult other people and put yourself on a pedestal then you're far worse off than me.
>And yeah maybe read a single book not written by a self proclaimed looney. Phillip K. Dick any better for you? Crazy people write fun stories. Sane people are boring.
Nathaniel Scott
I mean, yeah. I believe in informed voting and when I encounter an opposing viewpoint, I try to learn more about it. But if you think that backing up your claims is beneath this level of debate, then there's really nothing else I can say.
Kevin Jones
I'm an antisemite but I don't try to intimidate. I see other people try to intimidate me into not being one though.
I simply try and remind people that 2% of the American population makes up over 30% of their billionaires, and controls almost all major media corporations and industries, and that I find that... interesting.
Ian Jenkins
Crazy writers are fine when you have read some actual literature to provide a basis for this symptom.
I never once said we disagreed. You're acting like a fucking idiot and I'm telling you to stop embarrassing your pathetic self
Gabriel Cruz
trump started ISIS again and sucks russian cock
Juan Morris
Omfg dude you are a crazy person. Get help
Austin Anderson
>But if you think that backing up your claims is beneath this level of debate Kind of, but it also stems from the fact that I'm kinda lazy.
One of these days I'll organize all my statistics into one folder, but for now they're crammed inbetween videos of idiots lighting of bottle rockets in their asses and pictures of dogs.
Oliver Wilson
Blah blah blah blah No one cares what you think
Colton Harris
>Omfg dude you are a crazy person. Get help You can say that, but what basis for saying that do you have?
Josiah Reyes
I find that a lot of antisemites like to use vague and ambiguous language to hide their true beliefs and intentions. I think they're acutely aware of how socially unacceptable their beliefs are across much of the general population, and are more concerned with their social standing then being honest about themselves.
Anyway, what exactly do you mean when you say you find that "interesting"?
Lincoln Butler
>this thread
Thomas Gray
Bro are you talking to yourself now?
Christian Brooks
One day, huh?
The world holds its breath...
Sebastian Hall
>You're acting like a fucking idiot Where? I have kept my debate sane and inoffensive for the most part, and I tried to back up my claims logically. What claims have you made here (other than simply insulting me) and how have you backed them up?
If I didn't know any better, I would assume that you are simply insulting me in a bland and ineffectual effort to intimidate me into no longer posting arguments that you disagree with, or that you are trying to insult someone else to make yourself feel better because of an inferiority complex.
Kevin Powell
>Anyway, what exactly do you mean when you say you find that "interesting"? A better word would be "incriminating." It would not seem infeasible to me that such a small number of the population holding such an incredible amount of power could logically be assumed as a form of tribalistic infiltration. This, combined with the Talmudistic belief that the Jewish Messiah will appear when all gentiles are coaxed into one slave race ruled over by the Jews is incredibly telling.
Jonathan Clark
I think you cucks need to google Socialist cause Bernie is not a socialist. Trump is more socialist, he gave the farmers $17,000,0000,000 cause his trade war failed. THATS SOCIALISM, taking your money and giving it to others.
Michael Watson
You're running in circles like a coked up clown you dumb fuck. I don't argue with people who are manic let alone about geopolitics.
Get an education. You seriously need it or you will always be this worthless
Thomas Phillips
I agree, and for that Trump will never have my respect. Doesn't change the fact that Sanders is a self-declared Socialist with policies that are just as, if not more harmful.
Henry King
Self professed manic continues to talk to himself. About jews.
Austin Stewart
>You're running in circles like a coked up clown you dumb fuck. I don't argue with people who are manic let alone about geopolitics.
All insult, no real point. And you're avoiding the questions. How telling.
Ayden Cox
Tribalisitc infiltration? Is that your theory regarding how Jewish Americans acquired so much wealth? Can you explain it?
Jeremiah Bailey
Samefagging this hard? You must be sweating
Dominic Peterson
Played like a fiddle. You are actually pathetic but I'm sure you hear that enough
Bentley Scott
Next post is more semitic diatribe in the same deadpan manic tone of a dumbfuck wannabe psycho
Parker Williams
Notice the thread is on pg3 cause it's only op and me replying. What a sad excuse for a person
David Cox
>Universal Healthcare is a Socialist policy, and in Canada and the Nordic countries it has lead to a decrease in the quality of services received at hospitals, and it has put a remarkable strain on their economy.
Dunno. Read in the news today about an out-of-patent anti-seizure drug in the US for kids that went from $40/bottle to $39,900 a bottle, because fuck you sick kid.
I don't consider that part of a healthy health care system.
Joseph Davis
Op, mommy says to take your meds bitch.
Daniel Mitchell
>Can you explain it? Schlomo Shekelstien has read and abides by the Talmud, and believes that all gentiles are lower than dogs and as such should be slaves to the Jewish people. So does the rest of his family, and all of his friends. They throw support at him because he has good business savvy and is admittedly rather intelligent. Through a moderate investment and underhanded business tactics he climbs his way up to the top of, let's say, the oil industry. He bribes a bunch of legislators to make sure that his company stays on top with things like environmental regulations, zoning laws, and tax laws and also pays for an army of lawyers that can interpret the law however he sees fit. Now Schlomo can sponsor Yusef Goldberg in his new pornography enterprise, and the cycle continues until a bunch of people begin to notice that the big nose tribe controls almost every major aspect of their lives, from religion to media, to industry.
These people try to expel the Jews from their home country and are suddenly met with vast criticism and trade sanctions from countries across the world since the Team of Countries HQ was built on land donated by noted philanthropist and entrepreneur Schlomo Shekelstien and his tribe have found their way to the advisory panels of every major nation in the Team of Countries
Cont.
James Smith
It's not, but Socialism isn't the answer
Jeremiah Perez
Smart people are the answer so you don't matter in this topic. Go try sucking your own dick you're better suited for that
Cameron Thompson
Nice ad hom. Do you have a real argument or no?
Camden Sanchez
ITT: One user argues mindless Bernie Bros to a standstill
Props, user.
Nathan Kelly
If this is so common, then why use a made-up example instead of a real one?
Grayson Ross
Here's my argument: >I have been diagnosed with manic depression >I never remember specific names
You mongoloid
Noah Long
Thanks user, but I don't think it was quite that one-sided
Wyatt Ortiz
Socialism in this context *means* a nordic political model. Racism in the context of social justice largely refers to a complex systemic issue that has both intentionally and unintentionally been created. I've never heard him make that specific remark, but yeah, if that's what he said that's pretty stupid. Race issues are largely economic issues with a hat on. I'm from a coal town. A lot of people are barely able to afford running water.
Sanders is definitely rich, and he's definitely out of touch in some ways. I'm not defending that. I don't really care about whether or not they're a hypocrite (although I will say the difference between a millionaire and a billionaire is astronomically different). This kind of stuff feels like the bleed in between celebrity and political culture which is largely destructive and deeply unhealthy.
Socialist policies do, in some ways, strain economies. In other ways they do not. I think we as Americans have a reticence towards investing in our country, which is basically what I think taxation is. People who are healthy, well-educated, and happy, tend to make better decisions. People who can take financial risks generate more money. I think it's also a little bit reductive to refer to "the economy" as a singular thing when it's more like an ecosystem. Cause and effect are complex.
His ideology is not a panacea, but neither is the free market. It's wildly dangerous and toxic to cling to ideology like that.
I largely agree with conservatives at least so far that we need to be judicious with taxpayer money. There isn't a lot being done to address these problems, finding ways to tweak, and optimize, and make sure things run efficiently. The military, and I'm speaking from firsthand experience (remember, coal town), is absolutely rife with these problems.
I know this is maybe a little overly wordy or god forbid sincere for a vietnamese soup recipe forum but that's genuinely how I think and feel
Jaxon Robinson
They begin claiming that the country that's trying to expel them is run by a horrible dictator despite his incredible approval rating and the fact that he has created the best economy his country has seen in hundreds of years. Newspapers around the world publish propaganda about how the Greblin Chancellor Adunk Hatlur is an evil dictator that wants to destroy the entire big nose tribe. Because of the incredible economic sanctions placed on their country the populace grows unruly and retaliates with a massive riot later remarked as the Night of Cracked Windows. This fuels the claims of antisemitism in that country.
Later the Bongish empire declares war because their prime minister is a noted member of the big nose tribe, and he claims that Grebliny is trying to take over all of Europe.
Cont.
Jonathan Campbell
Samefagging op, I never indicated affiliation. As far as you know I'm voting trump. everyone can see you acting like a special needs child
Ian Allen
Look at this manic boy with no self esteem. Take your meds
Andrew Jackson
In the wake of the War Grebliny is defeated, but to the shocking horror of the world they threw all of the big-nose tribe into camps to segregate them from the population, and while the Blue X has found that roughly 240,000 of them died to starvation and typhoid fever because the allies bombed Grebliny's supply lines to the camps, some big noses claim that between 5 and 12 million big noses were killed in incredibly outlandish ways, and also only on the Rappian side of post-war Grebliny. Such accounts involve Greblins shoving big-nose babies into soccer balls and punting them over fences, hooking big-nose children to specially crafted masturbation machines, creating complex railway systems that automatically swing around to pick up big noses and dump them into huge fires and then go back 'round, 10,000 man electric pools that could magically turn all of the dead big-noses to ash, etc...
Later it is settled that only six million big noses died, but this is still the greatest tragedy of the twentieth century despite the tens of millions of deaths in the regimes of Jopep Sollun and Mew Tedung, but the were Communist regimes run by big-noses so who cares.
The Halacax of the Big nose people becomes the worst atrocity to ever disgrace history, and Adunk Hatlur is the most evil person ever to live ever. Now if someone criticises the Big nose tribe they are a Nazo, and literally Hatlur. This maufactured tragedy can shift even more blame off of the big noses because any criticism is then compared to the Halacax, and anyone who opposes big nose monopoly is a Nazo that wants to kill all big noses.
This allows their sphere of influence to continuakky expand and expand unntil they own tech giant corporations such as Gaggle and Orange that have a global market and make Trillions of dollars, whilst also offering new options for subversive surveillance and control of the populace, for example by skewing Gaggle search results in favor of big nose agendas
Isaiah Perry
I can see where you are coming from but Socialism always leads to economic collapse, user. Why support it?
Carter Torres
Still ad hom without refutation
Daniel Miller
>Mew Tedung, but the were Communist regimes run by big-noses so who cares.
Mew Tedung was a big-nose? I bet he wasn't even circumcised.
Brayden Nelson
If you want to be a lazy fuck and get paid not to work, why in the hell are you voting for Trump?
Camden Morales
Mew Tedung himself wasn't but he was supported by them. It's often not the head of the country themself that runs the country so much as their advisors. Besides, Communism itself is a Big nose ideology.
Grayson Morgan
I mean, in the end would it really matter what Bernie says he wants? At the end of the day if he were elected he'd be placed at the helm and then discover the realities of our country and anything he'd want to pass would need to be molded for reality, not whatever dreams he's selling people. Same shit happened with Clinton, Bush, Obama and Trump, the rhetoric didn't always match the actual actions.
Camden Evans
I just remember data Fox News pulled out of their collective asses.
Adrian Ross
>Fox News I don't watch that garbage
Aiden King
We, like most of the developed world, are a mixed economy. Social programs that benefit most of us and are very popular, and government-regulated capitalism. The extremes of Communism and Libertarianism are idiotic: They have never worked out well, and never will. Nordic countries are not socialist, but they just have a few more social programs while we have welfare for the rich. Sanders is not a Socialist either, nor is AOC. They just want us to have the same kind of social programs they have in Norway.
Is Sanders a hypocrite because he owns three houses and has a few million in the bank? Not at all. He gets paid $174,000 a year as a Senator. I never got paid that much and I have four houses and am worth about 4 million, because I saved and invested all my working life.
Ethan Stewart
>Is Sanders a hypocrite because he owns three houses and has a few million in the bank? Yes, because under socialism there is no ruling elite with multiple houses. He is exactly the person that he pretends to oppose
