Why do Americans tip at restaurants instead of their employers paying a livable wage?

The people must assume the economic burdens of their masters in the US.

Lmao I do this

no,its just the people living there are to stupid and poor

they complain about donald trump,but he's just like every other american.fat,stupid and poor

also,giving people more money isnt going to fix it.if they want a better paying job,then they should of gotten a better education instead of crying about how flipping burgers isnt paying them enough

>Lumping a large group of people into the same category, actually believing we are all the same and then having the balls to call them all stupid.

You're right. How do we live with ourselves?

>it started in the south
pourboire

please continue

If you aren’t learning to code in 2020 idk what to tell you. The meme is not a joke.

The employers need every cent they can squeeze out of their rachitic businesses. We have to help them if we hope to be able to go out to eat.

Which languages do you code in, Capt Trips?

Start learning IT. There are clearly defined paths that you can take without needing a degree of any kind. After a year of experience in an IT job you’re more hire-able than a college grad. I know IT is not for everybody but we’re all on Cred Forums so we at least know how to use a computer. Three common paths to take are tech support, networking, or software development but there are many more.

why do you need 2 threads at once?

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Based?
Right now learning basic web stack. JavaScript, Node.js, and React. Did a phone interview yesterday for a job that wants to pay 28 per hour for a junior developer. Feeling good

By law, employers must pay minimum wage. Restaurants pay their employees less than minimum wage, hoping that tips will do it for them. However, if tips do not bring the employee to minimum wage that day, the employer is legally obligated to pay them thr difference.

Whether establishments actually obey the law is a completely different issue.

thanks for the advice, diy learning java went nowhere, so i shifted to js, i hope i make it, my buddy said to not worry about coding challenges, so ill try learning mern stack completely, not sure how thatll lead to a job, but i have to make an attempt. It took you a few months to learn your profession?

Its getting a leg up in the world by using the system in place and taking advantage of it. That's how the game is played. If you don't play the game, you'll be taken advantage of.

why is your country full of refugees user Von Cuckenstine????

Its technically a different subject but same topic.
This thread is discussing why restaraunts pay a shitty salary to their workers and getting away with it.
The other is a ethical question of should you tip.

Tipping is actually the main source of income for most restaurant employees, nevermind that they are already paid a living wage. And since everyone tips waiters, bartenders, etc, they make a pretty easy living

because restaurants have extremely small profit margins you gay fuck. A small local restaurant can't afford to pay that when they're making around 3-5%

ITS TIEM BOIS.

AMERICA RIGHT NOW IS TESTING 1463 NEW CASES OF COVID-19 AND RIGHT NOW HAVE A SLOW RECOVERY RATE BECAUSE 80% OF AMERICANS ARE OVERWEIGHT AND UNHEALTHY.

RIP AMERICA, HOPE IT SPREADS LIKE WILDFIRE SO I CAN WATCH WHAT EXCUSE TRUMP WILL COME UP WITH, WILL HE SCREAM FAKE NEWS OR NOT.

EITHER WAY ITS GOING TO BE AN INTERESTING NEXT 2 WEEKS WITH LOTS OF AMERICANS GOING TO CHURCH BEING INFECTED, JUST LIKE THAT KOREAN GUY WHO WALKED INTO A SOUTH KOREAN CHURCH AND PURPOSELY INFECTED PEOPLE WITHIN A COUPLE OF DAYS THE CASES SHOT UP.

GOODBYE AMERICA YOU WERE GOING TO DIE SOON ANYWAY.

why not both? pay the people a liveable wage AND tip them for a good service... like the rest of the educated world does.

Jews

this also it encourages employees to provide a higher level of service. basic psychology

it's the same person though, it's been going on all damn day

All I know is there's no rule against me eating out when I don't tip. The litttle expendable income I have can be used however I want.

why aren't we tipping at fastfood restaurants?

They don't get paid below the minimum wage brainlet and there is an entirely different expectation and level of service.

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Neither do waiters and waitresses. If they don't make above minimum wage in tips the employer must pay minimum wage.

then why tip barkeepers? they hand you a fucking jack and coke and want some dollars extra?

>they don't get paid below minimum wage
>except when they do the employer must pay
????????
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I started early 2019 with networking stuff. Cisco certifications and similar topics. This led to a job working in a NOC late 2019. I got bored with that and started learning web development which pays a lot higher in my area. Best thing to do with JavaScript or MERN is to learn it with the goal of building functional websites in mind. Learn basic HTML/CSS, then make some sort of product landing page that looks good before you move on to JavaScript. Then add JavaScript to your designs and make a blog or something similar. Functional sites are what impresses employers, not coding challenges.

But muh $34687443 an hour!

>or some dumb fuck kid who cares less if the order is right
yeah that's pretty much been my experiences at restaurants already, the ones that expect me to tip.

And btw, for most people it does take years. I was only able to learn that fast by spending every minute of free time on it for months straight. But in the long run no vidya for 6 months is well worth it.

"Why do Americans get to pay based on merit for services instead of like my country where we are told what to do with our money? So not fair, guys"

so poor people and kikes, like yourself, can pay less for the food

Yeah that sure would solve the problem today.

Because we agreed as a society long time ago that a woman's only worth is a subservient one that revolves around their appearance and dedication to men. We pay waitresses like we pay for strippers and whores. Waitress is just a job for woman who want to exploit themselves for money rather than dedicate their lives to anything meaningful.

Minimum wage is guaranteed by federal law
Carrying plates does not deserve more than minimum wage

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It's a leftover change made during prohibition that still has not been changed because owners want more money for themselves. Back when prohibition first started, restaurant revenue plummeted without alcohol to generate sales, so the owners came up with this whole 'tipping' system in order to pay them less and have the customer make up the difference. It is antiquated, and should be gotten rid of sooner rather than later. Nobody who works 8+ hours a day 5+ days a week should be unable to support themselves, especially in a country that touts itself as the most powerful and wealthy on the planet. One could argue that they should go to school and get better jobs, and because of their capacity should be paid less. This is proven ridiculous with minimum critical thinking. As Orwell said in one of his essays, the existence of a higher class is dependent upon the existence of a lower class, to provide with certain necessary services. It only follows, logically, that the care of this lower class should be imperative, so that those with the capacity and work ethic for the higher class may live in comfort. Furthermore, it would take not nearly as much money as most think it would to ensure this would be able to be so, but this is Cred Forums, and I do not expect much in the way of knowledgeable, intelligent posts.

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Not true at all

Only user paying attention in the thread

>why do Americans....

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Actually, tipping is the ideal system.
You're ultimately paying the same for food, but part of what you pay is directly paying the worker, except you have the freedom to have agency in your meal price. The worker acts as a salesman, dealing you food, and uses the restaurant as their resource while getting a cut. Better salesmen get better sales.
But, this is all contingent on if the restaurant pays at least min wage, and has appropriate food prices. Basically, as long as restaurants are at least moderately fair with their wage and prices, then you're basically getting commission pay. Not saying all restaurants don't try to screw the workers and/or customers, especially places that cut corners by paying under min wage, but restaurants have some of the tightest profit margins of any industry. That being said, if food has a high markup, that should be reflected in the base wage to some degree. I'd say that if there is a trend of places charging prices as if they weren't in a tipping system, then people will tend to not tip more often, and it will naturally fade out as the system is simply not being used.

I bartended for like 4 years. Any fuckwit that didn't tip wouldn't get the time of day and when i got around to them id just give them a half pour and remember to sneak that much later on for myself. There is the rare exception when you knew people were too poor or something. 99 percent of people have common sense though and want a good experience, not an extra 5 dollar bill they will blow on cheetos

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You pay much higher by tipping.
Waiters are paid by the hour, not per customer
It's only $5 an hour to bring them up to minum wage. Divide that $5 by the number of tables a waiter serves in an hour.
It would be about a dollar extra for each tables bill

Because those who can pay more do so, and the worker makes more money.
Also anyone that uses the term, livable wage Is a retard.

Waitress had better have fucked me in the bathroom and gave me her number for a tip that big... you probably gave her alot cause she smiled at you.. lol

The employer offsets the cost of paying their workers onto the customer, great plan.

Little Stacy, you have infinite earning potential when you work for tips.

Oh gee Mr. Shekelstein, I hadn't thought of it that way, thank you so much for this privilege.

user you replied to, m8, I'm having a stroke trying to figure out where you're getting your numbers from. But I said that it depends on how fair a place is with their wages and how much markup the food is priced at.
That bring said, I would never work at a place that actually pays below min wage. Tips are pretty good money, and the cash makes it easier to not spend money that's in the bank. As long as food prices are fair for customers, tips *effectively* leverage a portion of the restaurant's revenue directly, and the customer is paying into that revenue stream according to their experience. But it ultimately depends on if the guy running the place is a dirtbag or not.

Because that's the loophole in capitalism. Raise that minimum wage bitches

I think the way to view it is a servers job really isn't that much work most of the time. Labor wise how much is writing orders down and carrying them really worth? Plus the community is people who want flexible schedules you have to keep adjusting for. The tip then validates any actual work they did. Consistency paying servers a high salary would be severely over paying them 90% of the time.

Because incentives matter and it motivates service staff to treat you better, more promptly, and with a bigger smile, especially if you're a regular who tips fairly based off of service quality.

Because they're fucking retards. Imagine tricking people into thinking that it's the customer who should be directly paying an employee their wages through donations instead of forcing their employers to pay them better. But not more than what a retard pouring you drink deserves... oh wait. Maybe they should find better jobs like sucking dick in a back alley for a 50.

Nobody gets paid below minimum wage
The employer can only deduct tips from minum wage until they are only paying $2-$3
Without tipping, employers would be paying each waiter and extra $5 an hour
Waiters service multiple tables, and generally manage 4-5 tables each hour.
For the business to absorb that extra cost, they would only need an extra dollar from each table.
It's basic math, how can you not get it
Number of waiters multiplied by 5, multiplied by number of hours worked, divided by number of tables served= the amount prices would need to be raised to cover the extra expense of paying minum wage rather than relying on customers tipping.

Meh, I love tipping well. I go to the same hibachi place once a week and everyone there is friendly and fast.

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Depression era hold over. Should be gotten rid of and is.

wages are socialism. People got my just fine on company scrip for years.

>someone should do these jobs
>but the jobs should literally kill them
imagine being a retard

paying a wait staff of 10 who work 30 hours a week 50 weeks a year would only cost $75,000 dollars a year, I'm sure someone working on thin margins could absorb that easily.

It’s better, cash tips aren’t taxable. Cross the line out on the receipt where it says tip. And just leave cash

paying them an extra 5 that is if you live in a shit hole where the minimum wage is only $8, your looking at doubling that in some states.

Any restaurant with 10 Wait staff on should be doing about 200 tables a day.
Pretty amazing that the math of $1 per table almost exactly covers the number you just stated.
It's almost as if math works or something...

Not unless they alreadybget paid that.
Without tips, the federal minimum is guaranteed.

yes but we are assuming that we're bumping up the people making $3 to the minimum wage which in my state would be about $8 extra per employee, so for 10 employees changing the law would cost a restaurant owner well over $100,000

service 1 bajillion tines better in isa than euro

thats why

except the niggers dont tip thats a problem but usually they cant afford to eat anywhere you would tip tho

service 1 bajillion times better in usa than lazy euro

thats why

except the niggers dont tip thats a problem but usually they cant afford to eat anywhere you would tip tho.

So $2 extra per table means the employer makes more than the extra expense, and it's still cheaper for the customer than tipping would be
Where's the problem here?

Taxes coupled with pro-business lobbying.

The "tip wage" is 1/3 of the current minimum waage, which means the employer only has to pay that much in payroll tax (plus Social Security, unemployment, medicare/medicaid, etc.) which allows them to keep their costs down significantly.

While tips *should* be reported for income tax, a lot of cash tips aren't.

Basically, Americans hatred of paying taxes that dates back to when we we were still British colonies.

partially that your assuming customer flow as a constant

M8, min wage where I live is $8.25/hr. You do not get paid less than that, tips or not, period. Like I said, I would never work in a place where base pay was somehow below the minimum legal limit.
>Without tipping, employers would be paying each waiter and extra $5 an hour
So every restaurant is somehow paying $2/hr right now, or will add 5/hr to a normal min wage if tipping goes away?
What if the restaurant just decides they don't get rid of tipping, but have higher food prices anyway? This isn't the Great Depression, tipping no longer has an influence on food prices, or even workers' wages in most places. It's commission pay from the table served.
I say keep tipping, but abolish the tip-subsidized pay law that allow for below min wage pay in the first place. 90% of places won't have a real reason to change food prices or wages as a respose, because it shouldn't affect anyone who pays at least min wage anyway. It's really a win-win.

I'm sure you'll have no problem finding waiters who will take $5 more per hour rather than the $5 - $10 they make from each of those 4-5 tables serviced. They'll only be losing about $15 - $30 per hour.

The idea was that if they didn't provide good service they wouldn't be getting tips from the customer, and thus would make less money. The idea was also that being a server at a restaurant (except for actual fine dining) was never meant to support a grown-ass man/woman with a family to take care of, but instead for Jimmy helping amortize his student loans a bit or Deborah who's just herself and her husband now with the house payed off and no kids to take care of, so she can live fairly well off a waiter's income plus pension as she gets too old to do whatever she was doing before.

Standards of service slowly erroded to the point where a 15% minimum tip is expected short of your waiter spitting in your face. The industry has also been flooded with a mix of young single moms desperate for income, people with mostly "for pleasure" degrees (that they have outstanding student loans on) and no backup plan, and people with actually employable degrees who can't find employment in their field due to outsourcing or H1Bs. All these people tend to still expect a level of income to what they feel they should deserve, and all of them think they should be decently well off (then again, who doesn't?) Add the fact that social media gives people a soapbox to shout about how you're not tipping enough (for them to afford the things they want) and make you feel bad about it, or outright publically shame you over bad tips.

Any server working in a decently busy restaurant makes a lot of cash. Dinner for a family of 4 at a shitty chain like Applebee's probably comes out to no less than $20 a head so $80 total. 15% is $12. How many tables do you think a server does in an hour? Over a shift? With 3 TABLES AN HOUR at a shitty chain, assuming these prices, that's $36 per hour that they're guaranteed, WAY WAY more at upscale restaurants with expensive menus.

Do you think they WANT to be put on a $20 wage? I for one can't wait for robot waiters, or self serve.

It isn't, but neither is the amount of wait staff
Restaurant traffic is highly predictable based on seasons, and wait staff is rostered accordingly

What happens when a waiter demands their employer actually make up the difference is that the waiter gets paid that one time and then is immediately always allotted the least and worst hours possible (this is wagie work, not salaried) until they either stop demanding they start "not minding" not asking the difference to be paid, or they quit.

Personally I'd love to go pick up my own food from a service counter and would love for waiters to stop being a thing I need to subsidize, but that is realistically what happens.

True, you don't get paid less than that.
But the employer can pay you less than that because you earn tips
How are you not getting this?
If the employer absorbed the cost of paying full minimum wage, customers would be paying less than they do now.
The idea of tipping being a reward for better service suggest the employees aren't always giving the best service they can, which is what they are employed to do

Because who gives a fuck!

The people who tip aren't the restaurant managers paying the waiters you stupid european

That's a different argument.
Why is that the customers problem?
Wait staff know the earn much higher than minimum wage, yet cry about needing tips to survive because they are so poor.
The job doesn't deserve higher than minimum wage

Then you sue them and they get a happy audit by the IRS and have to back pay every employee the underpaid for the last seven years.
It's irrelevant though, because they never earn less than that from tips.
It would happen if tipping was ended as a custom, at which point the employer doesn't have a choice

For most people Carrying plates is not worth minimum wage. So we will end up with a lack of servers as the original comment said.

Also being a server is a lot more than just moving some plates around.

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>Also being a server is a lot more than just moving some plates around.
No, no it's not

For most people no job is worth minimum wage, but those jobs have people doing them
Some money is better than no money, and there is always desperate people

That's why wait staff don't exist in any other country I guess

In my country we aren't so lazy that we need someone to walk to our table just to take a fucking order.

americans are greedy. employers found a loophole.

Sure kid

Pretty much the definition of wage slavery right here. Which is only a good thing if you are the capitalist making money off it.

Other countries have higher minimum wages and the government covers more of minimum earners cost of living.
Minimum wage is unlivable in a lot of places in the US, leaving people to live far outside the city and commute. By bus or by car, which brings its own set of problems.

>Nobody who works 8+ hours a day 5+ days a week should be unable to support themselves
>you could hire 2 people at 7 bucks natural wage with tips, or you could hire 1 at 15.
you go ahead and tell me again how taxing the poor on their wages is going to help them.
>the existence of a higher class is dependent upon the existence of a lower class, to provide with certain necessary services.
then orwell was a cuck who doesn't understand economics. You don't need to be poor in order to be rich.
>It only follows, logically, that the care of this lower class should be imperative
I agree, and the people who are paid 15 bucks are not "the poor". it always gets me a laugh when someone who probably pays 8 bucks for their coffee, tell me how they are "the poor".
>but this is Cred Forums, and I do not expect much in the way of knowledgeable, intelligent posts.
You don't expect much out of "the poor", then. After all, the poor are just too stupid to make decisions for themselves. You have to make those decisions FOR them.

Cutting your hours to the minimum allowed and sticking you on slow hours where you won't make tips is not illegal, the owner controls the schedules and you can't do anything about it. You want minimum wage? Sure. You're now working a handful of odd hours a week and never making more than your absolutely federally-entitles minimum wage. Go ahead, ask for the difference to be paid. The owner will comply with everything he's supposed to, but still make you want to kill yourself. You absolutely will quit.

I have a pretty useless friend (currently working in a warehouse) who tried asking for minimum wage one particularly slow week where there were barely any tables some days, guess what his schedule looked like next two week? Only pre and post dinner rush, during the middle of the week, and minimum hours possible. He got the minimum wage for those couple slow days though! Never asked for it again, of course.

Holy shit, I think you misunderstood every single point his comment made. Then "countered" them and then assume you won.
Are you ok user?

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employers like it cuz they dont have to pay tax on the tips that their employees get.
plus with how dodgy the w hole system is, a lot of employers just keep the tips for themselves but the 15yo waiters/servers dont have any money or legal power to do anything cuz the US doesn't have any sort of workforce protection laws.

>I think you misunderstood every single point his comment made.
I genuinely think you are retarded.
Nice contribution though!

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That's a separate issue
Yes, minimum wage should he raised, but that applies to all minimum wage employees.
Why are servants considered to be more deserving than other no mum wage workers who in many cases work much harder jobs?

>Pretty much the definition of wage slavery right here
It's the American dream

So you are defending exploitation and expecting the customer to solve this issue?
If the customers stopped tipping, the emoyer couldn't do that, because he's have to pay any staff he put on
This shouldn't be difficult to understand
The only reason the employees can get away with doing this is BECAUSE customers tip

>Some money is better than no money.
I agree. So why must the government set arbitrary rules in place to reinforce businesses who can afford such arbitrary rules?
Why can't a person start a business, or join a business without the government, backed by well-established businesses who can afford these policies, breathing down their neck over "you must have at least X amount of capital to participate" regulations?
Most people just want to start a small business and make their own money. So let them.

>Pretty much the definition of wage slavery right here. Which is only a good thing if you are the capitalist making money off it.
So you tip every minimum wage worker you engage with?
.

All kinds of countries/places tip.

You are seriously triggered

For the exact reason the post you replied to stated.
There will always be desperate people
Doesn't mean it's ok to exploit them
The logical conclusion from your idea leads to China and India levels of sweatshop labor

This is an absolutely hysterical statement. I would love to see a bunch of computer junkies build a skyscraper or a house or a cottage or even a tent for that matter most of you require two wheeled wheelbarrows. there’s a lot more to life than coding

>There will always be desperate people
So let them form their own business, or join a business unmolested by the government.
>The logical conclusion from your idea leads to China and India levels of sweatshop labor
Are you aware "sweatshop labor" was in America?
We didn't crawl out of it for just a magical reason, user.
People formed their own business, took responsibility for their actions, and we realized our wages were high enough to afford a better standard of living.

Now, we have people like you who seem to think we magically came into existence without sweatshop labor, or that we simply forced people into NOT being in sweatshops because it was simply fashionable.
>Doesn't mean it's ok to exploit them
I agree, so quit trying to force people into servitude, because you seem to think you are the center of the universe.

So then please do tell me what a wage is worth for someone working for Ford or general motors etc.? Because watching a robot place a part on a car ain’t worth minimum wage either stupid. Holding a air ratchet or air gun on a bolt until a predetermined specified torque which is done by the gun is a pretty brainless fucking job and those motherfuckers make lots of money

What is this insane rambling?
It's no ok to exploit people so lets allow business owners to pay as little as they want and the people earning a dollar an hour can just start their own business
Clearly underage with no life experience

>What is this insane rambling?
For someone who has little understanding of opportunity costs, I'm sure you think this.
>allow business owners to pay as little as they want
opportunity costs exist, user.
everyone faces them.
you are not the center of the universe - no one is.
what raises wages is stronger competition among business owners. Not a magical fairy from government which waves its wand and says "CHANGE PLACES!!!"

If you want to help sweatshop people, you have to persuade them that it's smarter to put their kids in schools, rather than work on the family farm. It's an admirable goal, but you don't get to use force in order to do so.

>Carrying plates is equal to operating construction equipment
Dumb as fuck

Why do you fucking care? It's just a low paying job

When you double down on the insanity

No, what is supposed to raise wages is inflation. That hasn't happened in America for decades
A dollar is worth much less than it was, yet wages did not increase to reflect this as they were meant to

I know it's hard to think out of your tunnel-vision perspective.
You will walk away like all the rest who love to project. It's sad that this inability to listen to the world around you probably comes from unbridled individualism.

why do you get so triggered by this? in normal countries restaurants pay waiters a livable wage. tips make no sense. why should the customer carry this burden?

>No, what is supposed to raise wages is inflation.
inflation is a hidden tax, so no.

do you mean *COULDN'T* care less?

Dont think you have the right to be ascertaining some kids are dumb fucks when you make basic errors like that.

Currently being ran by judes.

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You're advocating for businesses to be allowed to pay any amount the feel like, which will always result in them paying the least possible amount.
When every business does the same, employees lose to option of leaving to get into a higher paying job, because there won't be any higher paying job
If you had the barest understanding of economics you would realize this system can only end in collapse as consumers will not have any funds to inject back into any of these businesses so they stop making money
You are literally clueless

>do you mean *COULDN'T* care less?
I definitely could care less.
But that would require effort.
And I don't care enough to make that effort.

No it isn't, that doesn't even make sense.
Inflation is the value of each monetary unit decreasing as more monetary units are added into the system.
Wages and cost of goods should increase inline with inflation keeping it all balanced
You think it's a tax because wages did not increase inline with inflation.

>You're advocating for businesses to be allowed to pay any amount the feel like
No, I'm advocating businesses getting into a bidding war to raise wages to their marginal contribution level for any given worker, given their personal fixed human capital. This is how wages are raised. Through economic "biodiversity".
>When every business does the same, employees lose to option of leaving to get into a higher paying job, because there won't be any higher paying job
No. You are assuming the economy is a closed system (it's not), and that only workers face opportunity costs. Everyone faces opportunity costs, user.
>If you had the barest understanding of economics
If you had the barest understanding of economics, you would understand how opportunity costs work - it is the cornerstone of all of econ.

Really simple. Serving food is a minimum wage job that requires no skills or education. It is a part time job because restaurants are not busy enough throughout the work week for everyone to get full time.
So this is a simple job that can be held by a teenager on nights and weekends or a second job by others for extra income.
Tipping is in the servers best interest. Otherwise most would most likely be earning less, because thats what that job is worth. Its not meant to be sustaining for every employee.

>No it isn't, that doesn't even make sense.
You are indirectly paying more than you need to for real goods and services, user.
You cannot eat money.

I don't think you understand what opportunity cost is
None of what you are saying makes any sense at all

Wages are supposed to increase to balance this
You didn't even read the post did you?

Okay. Let's go over the basics.
The simple answer is: Opportunity costs are what you give up, in order to get something else.
The more complex answer is: Prices are relative - not absolute. This is very hard to grasp for anyone who thinks of themselves as the center of the universe.
The fact that you could work elsewhere, given your personal fixed human capital, raises your personal wages, user.
In order for that to occur, you need to see businesses compete with each other to raise wages.
Secondly, because of opportunity costs, what matters is comparative advantages - not absolute advantages. There is always benefit to trade, due to opportunity costs, but that benefit will only be there if you listen to the customers you are trying to serve.
Yes I did. Inflation has nothing to do with wages.
Inflation is a hidden tax.

Legit question. Wouldn't the opportunity cost be incorporated into the price points of the restaurants and not competitive wages, since earnings for servers is more a proportional representation of the bill as opposed to hours worked?

If I read your question correctly...
If people didn't tip, nothing would change. Correct.
The indifference principle tells us this.
The only people who would benefit would be those who outperform everyone else at their business - whether that be a business owner out-performing or a worker. In either case, there is economic profit to be made.

I'm discussing forcing a government minimum on wages.

>why do Americans ?
you can ask this about a lot of cunt acts in America.
seems to me if your living relies on tips to make ends meet then you are not worth looking after in that country.
a lot worse in some other countries though... just saying.

The desire for high tips forces servers to give consistant and high quality service. It also allows the restairant to take reduce the cost of doing business. Tfw eurotards have no reasoning skills and are totally retarded and stupid.

Wages are supposed to increase in line with inflation so the dollar may be worth less, but you are earning more of them, hence the actual value of what you are earning has not changed

lmao im a 23 yo dude who works in a steakhouse and I made 340 dollars in two shifts. yall niggas poor keep your money

So kind to understand what opportunity cost is, yet you keep misusing it in sentences.
Im guessing first year highschool economics and youre using alll the new words that you dont really understand yet.

Thats what, $21.25 an hour?

Nigga you the one whos poor

The customer would benefit if people didn't tip
The government not raising minimum wage al ing with inflation is why oh case I believe it is a tax
Your understanding of economics is very poor

What's your obsession with this center of the universe nonsense?

should've specified but that's 10 hours total sat and sun night.

So your highest earning days are $34 an hour? You need to switch to bartending or something, I would make that on weekends delivering pizza in college

You're right, we die without access to the care in the first place or we die from going bankrupt and losing our houses and livelihoods because of medical debt.

>a livable wage?

Name one fucking country that pays a waiter a 'livable' wage.

it is just the profit model. most independent restaurants are struggling even with low wages.

servers can make good money, that's why it is the way it is. not that it is ideal, and now it is getting bad because people are going out to eat less.

France

Except that in cases where there are tips, it isn't quite guaranteed properly. The tip is deducted from the wage so that they still earn minimum even with the tip. This loophole allows the company to profit from your tip and fucks the workers. Always ask if tips are deducted from the wage of your server, of the answer is yes, politely tell them that you won't be tipping in that case, since tips are supposed to be for the server, not for the boss. If you really want to drive the point home, ask to see the manager, as if you were going to complain, and instead explain to them that their predatory tip-skimming method is disgusting, and they can expect no further custom from you, until and unless they start leaving the discretionary payments such as tips in the hands of those who recieve them.

It's what I do. Every time. I do the same when the tips are shared. If I'm eating close enough to closing time or if I happen to hear a server is getting off soon I wait a couple minutes outside and give the server my tip while they're not on the clock. I once did this after closing at a local restaurant, right in front of the owner who started trying to tell the guy I tipped to hand it over for the pot, and I told him that what he was doing was literally mugging, that the guy was not on the clock and this money was not his.

>No, I'm advocating businesses getting into a bidding war to raise wages to their marginal contribution level for any given worker, given their personal fixed human capital. This is how wages are raised.
Through economic "biodiversity".
History called. It just wanted to say you are wrong and that wages is ALWAYS a race to the bottom. Particularly it wanted to remind you that more than a million workers in the 1890s were on $0.03 per hour.

That’s some good service right there man.