How stupid are Bernie supporters?

yeah this

Everyone should just work because it's the right thing to do for society, the government takes all the money and distributes it to everyone evenly. Then all our problems would be solved.

>what is the right to life
oh, right, it's that thing you probably don't deserve, you fucking mongoloid

you are the most stupidest person alive

So hostile....

I already pay 51% in state and federal taxes

Yes he wants everyone who makes more than 29k to pay for nationalized health care. Pretty much everyone who isnt a burnout makes that much here.

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He never said that.

Why are leftists so hateful and angry?

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Human beings cannot be trusted to know what is right for all. Left to their own devices they turn into the same thing as a cancer cell, only wanting things for themselves and never enough. We solve this by by eliminating money all together, the government agencies, using intelligent and good people should decide how the resources we need to survive are distributed and used.

Pic related is the society we will never have if we continue letting this corrupt system operate.

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Fighting the trolls I see.

That's 51% more than your president paid.

Wasn’t it still on a staggered scale? I thought the 52% tax rate applies to people making over >10 million dollars. People making under 35k still have a like 25% tax rate or something.

Either way, this whole stream of consciousness is based on a deliberately deceptive nonsense argument. Im not saying Bernie’s math works, but whoever made this post is clearly trying to deceive.

What exactly do you think the government is trying to do that insurance conglomerates aren’t already doing? I’d rather let the government do it than let the insurance lobby keep buttfucking the American people. Conservatives are just too stupid to understand that giving $900 to the government is a better deal than giving $1000 to your insurance after paying a $750 deductible and a $350 copay to the hospital. Stupid fucking morons.

>I love getting fucked by the gubmint, and anyone who doesn't is a gay space commie

Fucking cuck. Wipe the cum off your lips before you open your idiot mouth.

>most stupidest

Okay, Brainiac

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Facebook meme. Real progressive tax tiers in Sanders plan are a click away.

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That's false, 52% is only for those exceeding 10 million. His plan doesn't change any tax rates under 250,00$ a year, so 31,200$ is still only being taxed 12%

Don't be a parasite, be a hard worker.

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you are really dumb, i feel bad for you

Tax should be based on how much you make, the more you make the more you get taxed. Everyone should receive the same amount of expendable wealth, no one is better than anyone else.

Maybe, but at least I can form a working sentence, you head-injury-having motherfucker. Take your pity and fuck your own ass with it, shitlicker.

Bernie supporters don't care that nothing can actually be paid for for the same reason Trump supporters do not actually care if he grabbed pussy. There are entirely different moral frameworks at play. Bernie supporters want revenge on those they feel wronged them, those that are apparently oppressing them. It's as simple as that. They don't expect people to suddenly live longer, they just want to fuck the system up and hurt as many people who they can morally justify doing so toward.

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They do not know of the ritual

lol I did form a working sentence. You on the other hand fail at even understanding the most basic concepts. did you graduate highschool? It's ok i'm sure your mommy and daddy love you very much.

I would say its whats inside that matters but your pretty bad inside and out. sorry.

Does it really matter?
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I mean, if Bernie is elected he'll be dead of a heart attack within a year anyway. Guys is fucking oooooooolllllld.

Confirmed retarded and needing death by fire

I'm a libby-lib but this post is the fucking retarded thing i have read in a while.

This sounds good if you've never been in the real world, but trust me, "intelligent and good" people are few and far between and are unlikely to stay so when given power.

You're probably at the bottom of the ladder right now and this kind of thing sounds appealing, but in all honesty, you'll just end up with less in a communist society. Just look at history. Its NEVER worked.

>absolute fairy dust imaginings

>It is my right and part of my freedoms to die from a preventable illness, cognitive dissonance and help keep wages stagnating
>I'm doing my part, are You?

This message paid for by the Boomer Ad, co.

Excuse me, you should feel ashamed. You call yourself a liberal huh, yeah right. You're no different from greedy capitalists. You sacrifice your values.

You think those with power are better at deciding the future of humanity than accomplished individuals voted by the people? So you think for example Donald Trump or Jeff Bezos should get to decide our fate. lol. ok, "liberal"

You know, to add on to my last reply to you, i'm honestly sick and tired of so called liberals trying to find a middle ground. What middle ground? All you're doing is caving in to a right wing agenda.

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oh no, you know you want to reply. go ahead. do it, you know you want to.

Lol. Government spending: msn.com/en-us/money/markets/americas-worst-government-spending-disasters/ss-BBXqXwU#image=1

Mang, someone got triggered. You'd think you just found out Bernie's 5-year plan didn't include free hentai statues for jerking off on.

>current rate for $1,000,000 is 39.6%
>wants to bum that up to 43%
>worth over $1,000,000
>still goes out of his way to only pay 15%
>despite the fact laws have been passed where you can literally give the government your money
I don't care if he's part of the 1% he supposedly hates on, but he is a man unwilling to practice what he preaches unless somebody [else] literally puts a gun to his head and forces him to. Also,
>Wants $15 minimum wage on grounds of livability
>Does it in salary form, so a 40 hour week comes to $600 before tax
>His staff works 50-60 hour weeks though, and take home $600 before tax

This "government" you talk about is corrupt, all their dealings are influenced by corporations who pour money to get political pull.

Slam dunk. Hope you're ok after that one buddy.

>His staff works 50-60 hour weeks though, and take home $600 before tax

This is good, it increases jobs. Now those people can't work extra hours and those extra hours can be worked by others who would otherwise be unemployed. Seems good to me.

Sick burn, dog-fucker - you write that all yourself?

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nah i forced your mom to write it while i fucked her from behind

All that's going to happen is they're all going to work 0 hours because the $600 is guaranteed anyway.

Wait, you mean guaranteed even if you don't work at all? I don't think that's what he said.

> Worked 60-70 hours a week
> Paid my way through college

Government funded room and board and the G.I. Bill, but please, tell me again how he did it all himself...

Oh. But your government wouldn't be.

What's your purity test?

“If Men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and the next place, oblige it to control itself.”

― James Madison

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How stupid are Russian hackers to think we'll believe your constant stream of anti-Bernie shit. Trumps days are numbered, he will FEEL THE BERN!

This was already proven false. The only one's paying 52% would be those making over 10 million.

I agree, people are not trustworthy. But we should really put at least a little energy into changing the government itself. Why are we stuck in old ways of thinking about governments?

Or, if humans are the problem, why don't we take charge of our own evolution? Who says that chaotic nature is the best direction for us to take? What I mean is, maybe it's time to put that genetic research to good use.

Let's see.. $31.2K is before taxes, his figure cascades to more incorrectness though once he assumes 52%. If we take the graph in 's image, it's 15%, so 85% of 31,200 is $26,520 take-home. Divide by 2080 (as Kirk does not believe in vacation for gentiles) and you have $12.75/hr take-home.

Something else not touched on is how Kirk seems to pushing that current minimum wage earners don't pay taxes. $7.25 x 2080 = $15,080. This qualifies for the 10% rate in the above image, so 15,080 * 0.9 = $13,072.. / 2080 = OMG CAPITALISTS ONLY MAEK $6.525 aN hOuR

At least he concluded on an accurate point: Socialism does indeed suck.

>Pay them hourly when they work 40 or less, but pay by salary when they devote more time
But yeah, that's how welfare generally works.

See? You are already creeping into a totalitarian mindset with genetic engineering. To what end? Whats ideal? Whats a defect?

Is low IQ or lack of empathy a sefect that should be weeded out?

Gayness? Aggression? "Racial impurity"?

Or just the natural tendency self-interest?

It has all been done before by bigger people than you or Bernie and failed. Miserably. With countless casualties sacrificed to somes ideal society.

Capitalism isn't perfect, but it is the best thing until we get Star Trek replicators and free robot labor.

Plus, just accept if Bernie gets elected he won't get a single thing passed and you hand it back to republicans in 4 years (if he doesn't have a grabber first).

Well then according to my Boomer uncle on Facebook you're now going to pay 103%. Welcome to Venezuela

So...I make $15.50 an hour right now doing a job that is not flipping burgers. What should I expect from my boss if Bernie gets his way?

$15/hr.

Duh.

How does that make any sense?

fake news

I can't wait to send all you motherfuckers to the gulag

>How stupid are Bernie supporters?
Apparently not as stupid as you. There are so many things wrong with that.
bernietax.com clearly shows his tax plan has the same exact tax brackets until your income is greater than $250k. Furthermore, even if this image was correct about the statement that people making more than $29k would be in a 52% tax bracket, in this scenario only $2,200 of the $31,200 would be taxed at 52% and the rest would be taxed at the rate associated with the lower tax bracket.
Fucking christ, retard... How do you seriously not understand how tax brackets work? Also, because I know you are too stupid to actually read anything in the link I gave you, I'll tell you that the 52% tax bracket is for people making more than $10mil/year.
Fucking retard.

>raise 52% to anyone making over 29k

LOL i mean i get wanting to attack the other candidate but this is just stupid even for a lie

you forgot state taxes and other thing like social security

They are not stupid but they know stupid people will read that and believe it

Then I get to pay for the health care of people making 30 grand? Great.

honestly this is one of the business models i've seen floating around: if minimum wage goes up, wages of higher earning workers going down to compensate. Some will slash hours or lay people off. Few if any will enact pay cuts on themselves, but some will raise prices to otherwise maintain status quo, though this will likely be a losing strategy.

I make less, so thank you sir. Even if it's against your will. lol

It’s ok trumpy Bernie will still accept you when he’s president.

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Just sayin....

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progressive income tax. the poster is either an actual retard or a shill. if you believe that math then you are what is wrong with humanity

What they really need to legalize is psychedelics. I would vote for whoever promises that.

No. Look at his tax plan: bernietax.com
Tax brackets are unchanged for anyone with income less than $250k. The 52% tax bracket is only for people making more than $10mil/year.

Are you retards really incapable of doing a simple google search? Even snopes and politifact have covered this.

Just sup on your moms dirtyass pussy juice like I do.

"He's impeached!"

"oh thats so great who'se president now?"

"Trump is but he's impeached."

"oh but now he can't do bad things to hurt people right?"

"No he's still hating minorities and not raising taxes"

>How stupid are Bernie supporters?
How stupid are people who post obviously fake shit?

snopes.com/fact-check/sanders-tax-plan-52-percent/

Fucking retards.

FEEL THE BERRRRRN

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nasty ass

None of which anybody has the nuts to abolish, but you get the idea, Bernie's a Socialist, Kirk is a neocon, both are nice ways of saying communist.

Once Bernie takes over in November everything will start getting better!

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Go libertarian people. It's the only way.

BTW.....

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Maybe, but by and large not with the libertarian party. They've become such controlled opposition they've abandoned their principles.

>Not shopping Bernie as a Ferengi

Like there are actual criticisms on Bernie but like this one is just so poorly formed and shows a basic lack of common sense that it supprised me.

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He's also friends with Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton and Emanuel Macron's wife. That makes eight pedophiles.

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Just like people paid for your elementary, junior and senior high school education, roads, emergency services, police, and military! Wonderful, right?

ooooooooooooh, someone didn't actually learn a politicians' stance on the issues. or how to do basic math.

>L M A O

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it's more expensive for the taxpayer for the government to keep subsidizing the healthcare industry than it would be to replace it with M4A
you would be paying LESS or the same in taxes for EVERYONE to be covered

retard

problem is we promote obesity and call it 'body positivity' and get people hooked on pills for life.. that shit along with everyone who smokes and the fact that our medical industry has VASTLY inflated costs ensure that 'free' medical care will bankrupt the country without some sort of cost controls, which wont happen, because of medical industry lobbyists

Leaving it to a plan to decide what should be produced and how much?
This will bring us utopia faster than regulation of the corrupt and disorganized areas?

Can't wait to see ICE abolished so my human trafficking business to mexico can see record profits.

Dear Russia -
You're trying too hard.

its only income after the first 10 million dollars for fuck sake

This can change your life one day. Download "Pi" from the playstore, one day it'll be worth a lot of money. If it asks who invited you type @Chocoboy. The app is invite only and mining stops at 10 million people.,,,

the wealthy and corporations work for their benefits though. Your quip is dismantled.

it’s ok to be emotional. Most trump supporters are emotional thinkers, unable to think rationally or logically. It’s to be expected. Especially when you have a low iq and a mental disability. We Bernie supporters know your rages or ‘spergs’ are just emotional outbursts that happen when you can’t cope with a logical and reasoned argument. It’s ok, just take a few deep breaths and calm down. Bernie is going be President and you will be better off.

Already used.

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the only reason she didn't block witness testimony is because they all got overcome with guilt and killed themselves for harassing a sweet old woman. :^)

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but that's what he's saying you bumbling retard.

when you're a marine you are working 60-70 hour weeks. He is saying he was a marine for 8 years to earn his college.

Jesus fuck your a dense boy

Are you referring to a few years old study which is heavily criticized and proven wrong?
Sound like the "net benefit" of immigration from outside of Europe to Scandinavia. Lies and lies sounds like lies too

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Not as stupid as Trump supporters.

I'm not even American but this response is such projection...it's incredible!

2/10

I'm actually being serious. Abolishing border security will let many businesses thrive.

It's hard to have emotion when you're an NPC, but the idea that your programming is rational or logical is quite amusing.

Of course, harboring the rationality which you deny, I am open to evidence that infers I am wrong, so I must ask you now as a litmus test: Does evolution stop at the neck or do correlations exist between race and IQ? If the latter, does Bernie Sanders agree and can you demonstrate it?

>Obama DoJ has preferences in who they prosecute
Awan brothers aren't in jail either and most of the ones you posted were only in for two weeks over petty claims or they're coming out with a clean slate. What's your point?

Jews are the smartest race so they are thus in control of most influential positions within the west.

hey everyone, this retard thinks that 52% tax starts at 29k

It starts at 10 million. You can see his tax brackets on his webpage. bernietax.com/#0;0;s

I'd say go be retarded somewhere else, but Cred Forums is kinda par for the course.

This isn't the time to be raising wages anyways, when we'll be in a recession by 2021 for certain. The damage dealt to China and cost of bringing American businesses back means many of those can't afford wage increases across the board, you'll be met with mass layoffs.

No tax plan ever survives first contact with congress anyway. How is he gonna get those rich fuckers with their billionaire donors to vote on that?

Possibly. Nepotism can be smart, exploiting someone else's lack of nepotism can also be smart, even if it's not moral. That said, I don't think Bernie Sanders sees eye to eye with Israel or perceives them as host of the world's smartest people.

So, here's a few questions, story first:

I come from a shit family, moved out so 16, dropped out of school. Worked 2 years saving everything, investing it all. Waited till 18 for GED (had to), went to community college one year. My invested savings made enough to cover my education. I got into a top school where only minorities got scholarships, paid 100% on my own. Worked the whole time, grad with honors. Busted ass for 20 years since. Now I make $30k a month, minimum. From my own work, with no help at all.

1. Why should I pay 50+% in taxes? I get no value from it past a minimal amount. I recieved no benefits.
2. Why should I subsidize everyone else's healthcare? I pay my own, and its expensive. I pay 100% for my 14 employees, and that's expensive too. But over half my income? Fuck right off.
3. Why should I subsidize the shit-tier education/indoctrination of everyone else? I had no help. Higher education should be an investment, and if it's not, the major should die off.
4. Do I get reimbursed for my college education? I was smart enough to not get in debt, why should I be penalized for planning, saving, and sacrificing early in life for the later payoff?

Bernie wants to set up a system that will discourage and destroy people like me. If I get taxed at over 50%, my 60 hour a week business is not worth it. I'd close the doors and retire in my early 40s. And my employees would have to go settle for handouts. What a shitty world that would be.

>despite the fact laws have been passed where you can literally give the government your money
Any money given to the government is put into a general fund and will, most likely, be allocated to the military budget since you cannot specify how you want it spent.

user over here is correct. Plus, imagine how companies will be discouraged from conducting business like production in America without their current tax cuts.
When it comes the economy Bernie seems to live in fantasyland.
Also can anyone tell me if that campaigner/staffer Kyle Yurek was ever fired? His views offends and scares me.
The Gulags were work camps / death camps, not some summercamp where people learned "not to be Nazis"!

>My invested savings made enough to cover my education.
There is your problem, college costs way more than even 2 years + working during school can pay.
>And yet only $30k/month minimum
Shouldn't you be making more if you've been "busting your ass for 20 years"?

See

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I will never understand how grow ass people do not understand that raising minimum wage decreases the value of the dollar therefore actually is worse than just just keeping it the same.

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This. If you don't cover people that can't afford preventative care, then they're just going to end up in the emergency room, which is still funded by taxes. Even if their condition stayed the same (when in actuality they'll probably be much worse since people have waited), emergency room costs are exceedingly higher than going to a regular physician.

Even if your goals are entirely selfish in only reducing the amount that you pay in taxes, and not at all concerned about any humanitarian efforts to help people, subsidized preventative care is still in your best interests.

Is Bernie's plan the best one? Maybe, maybe not. But we can squabble over the best approach after people pull their collective heads out of their asses and realize this is the direction we need to go in.

Many people work in a field that long. Very few make that much. I've had some 20-35k months, but I'm solo with no employees (because I can't stand people.) I can't really make much more than that without some crazy sales.

>college costs way more than even 2 years + working during school can pay.
I made $20/hr working on electronics, worked 60-70 hours a week. The owner helped me invest, I made 5-10% compounded quarterly (covered calls on high dividend stocks). School cost me $46k a year and I had money left over.

>$30k/month
A month. So $360k a year. Most doctors and lawyers make less. I'm not a Fortune 500 company, but I own it all and answer to no one as long as I work within the law.

This is not how a marginal tax rate works. Good bait though.

>Not understanding how taxes work when you've been working 20+ years.
It's called a progressive tax. It means you get taxed more on the marginal income above the previous bracket.

The 52% tax wouldn't affect you. You'd be at 40% which only affects income above $250,000. You'd only be paying 3% more in taxes on income above $250,000.

If you're making more than $250,000 ($360,000 in your case) and can't handle an additional $3,300 in taxes, you aren't spending your money wisely.

If you can handle it and you're complaining about that much more taxes, you're a greedy fuck.

I'm confident most anyone else would love to fill the niche you currently occupy.

and you think you're not paying for it now? those people currently without healthcare wait until they are super fucked before going in... and then it's to the emergency room... and when they stiff the hospital, guess who those costs get passed on to? at least if we were giving them quality healthcare they'd presumably go in before it got too bad and the cost would be much less.

investopedia.com/ask/answers/052815/does-raising-minimum-wage-increase-inflation.asp

Answer: When done on a local level it can be overall detrimental but done at a national level many studies shows it has a minimal effect on inflation (based on something like 80 years of data collection)

Bernid can't even math

You still took it you idiot.

Taxes don't pay that. The hospitals eat the initial cost and spread it over treatment of others. They make such a vast amount of money it doesn't matter. A friend had surgery a while back and it was billed at 800 dollars per minute. And that only covered the procedure.

SO he's going to spend 20 trillion in a couple years (with an ongoing 18.2 trillion in yearly nut) and save 18 trillion over 10 years.

Hmmmm.

Funny, we have semi parallel lives. I didn't go to college, worked on both electronics and picked up IT skills and it eventually worked out well. Although I feel fucking drained.

I make $360k a year in wages. I also pay business taxes, employment taxes, sales taxes, a state version of a VAT, and taxes on investments (which is a lot, as you'd imagine, with my current income I tend to save and invest most of it). I don't mind paying more on investments, it would be fair to tax that the same as any income. But Bernie's own tax calculator puts me at 46.5% for an effective tax rate, and that's just income. Once the other taxes kick in, I make well under 50%.

In other words, it would not be worth all the effort.

I really don't get this shitty boomer logic.
>I MADE IT ALL ON MY OWN SO EVERYONE SHOULD AS WELL
Hats off to you its fucking hard but some people just need help is it so much to ask for I've worked for the last 8 years consistently and I've never had healthcare in that time last time I went to the hospital is when I was a kid. I'm fucking diabetic and live in a shit state I'm so unhealthy its fucked.

I worked software for the first 10 years out of college. Made piles of cash, but I was feeling dead. Got into CNC woodworking, and it took off fast. Kept buying more machines, hired and trained people, so it's going well. It's still a lot of work, but far more fulfilling. I love finding good people, employing them, paying them well and improving lives. Like my first employer did for me. But I'm not going to do it for free.

>boomer logic

Thanks for confirming that effort and hard work is seen as something elders did and is completely shirked by the younger generation.

You see, the big problem here is that the money you are making, you are not working for, directly. You are not earning an hourly wage. Therefore any ludicrous income you may have, 30k or whatever, is not income you are making. It's income your employees are making you. Therefore, you don't really deserve it.

The bottom line is the wealthy have gotten too used to having it so easy. You probably feel entitled to all the money coming in without you putting in any effort for it proportional to the dollars. How hard was it to put some money in the stock market when you were young and wait? How hard was it to buy an asset and then sell it? You did nothing for it, you just had money to begin with.

What Bernie will do is to finally make you pay up to the people that matter -- the people that are doing the real work: your employees, and employees all over America. Everything you buy with your money are being produced by employees. Every good or service you ever received was given to you by employees.

You wanna close your business down? That's your choice. You wanna move to another country? That's your choice. But democratic socialism will finally take the power away from an entitled asshole like you who thinks money should just pile up for him disproportional to effort put in and giving it to the working families who are doing the real work with their blood and sweat.

Interesting, I had a client who did this, making mostly cabinetry for new homes, but then they went out of business. Is it hard to get into? IT drains my soul.

>put into a general fund
Sounds like they spend it as they please. It could go to military, but it should be noted that the military is considered discretionary spending, whereas most forms of welfare are considered mandatory spending. Of course, you cannot specify how you want regular taxes spent either.

This is why socialist economies stagnate.
Punish business owners.
Less businesses start because the rewards aren't there.
GDP drops.
Employment drops.

This is probably bait but I know lots of fucking morons think like this. You probably want to put an end to all self employment and small business so everyone can work for google, amazon or fuckbook.

Not a boomer, and I don't think everyone could do what I did. I have a personality that made me capable. Other people are better suited to other things.

But people like me drive the economy. We hired people. We train them. We give them security by taking the risk ourselves. I pay way above industry standard, but I'm very picky about my hires. I'm the reason mh employees and their families have healthcare. And retirement. And education funds for their kids.

So vote Bernie if you want free shit. And destroy our economy, all the small businesses, the people that genuinely care about their employees. The money from those taxes will dry up in a few years, because big corps will never pay a dime more than they are now.

Unrelated, but while I can stand the idea of a progressive tax, and I can understand 'paying your fair share', I hate when people put the two together. Flat tax is a fair share, NATO is supposed to be a fair share. Progressive tax is just slapping the better off with a bigger tax by virtue that they can more plausibly pay it.

I don't think everyone should work for a top tech company, but I do think wealthy people in America need to start being compassionate to the people who are serving them.

>Bernie wants to raise minimum wage to 15 dollars an hour.

Yes this is true.

>$15 X 40 hr week = $600
>$600 X 52 weeks per yr = $31,200

This is also true, hey you can do math!

>Bernie Sanders wants free health care for all

Yes this is true!

>His answer was raise taxes to 52% on anybody making over $29,000 per year

And just like that we found exactly where the lie was. easy right?
Bernie does want to increase taxes on the mega wealthy, but you will NEVER find a clip of him promoting taxes that high on people making $31,200

It's sad how conservatives have to LIE about what their opponent believes, rather that argue against it.

Even if big corporations do end up paying more, they end up getting more business and record profits as the gov't enables them to better retain monopoly. Monsanto can afford to pay its farmhands $15/hr, Ma and Pa probably can't. With no competition, Monsanto can then amass enough wealth to bribe politicians more easily to fashion themselves into carpetbaggers of the era.

Bernie Sanders's mouth and corporation's dick have an identical sperm count. Fancy that.

less than half a million a year isn't really 'wealthy' - if you take away the incentives to start a business and do well for yourself, then what do you think happens? also no one is stopping his workers from starting their own hustle, this is very common and i see it all the time in my line of work

>Guys Bernie is a corporate shill guys!

We aren't falling for it Ivan

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See what happens to my employees wages when my business is shut. I pay up to double industry standard pay. I don't have a single employee that makes less than $60k a year for full time work. With full benefits.

Socialists have no concept if his economies actually function. I risked everything I had dozens of times in my career. I sacrificed my immediate comfort and happiness for the future. And it paid off. That's harder to do, by far, than clocking in and out every day.

In my work, I do things that few people can. I have expertise in my field, and I teach that to my employees. And I have ten employees that make over $100k a year, four of which make over $200k. And they took no real risk in getting here.

All you have to do is look at the results of every socialist experiment to see that it is a failed philosophy. Move to one of those shitholes, leave us alone.

Kek. Beat me to it. Fucking Commies man. They make me sick. Greasy fuckers.

this post is too high iq for Cred Forums

>150k a year isn't enough motivation to start a business

In what world are you living mate?

Fuck that filthy kike.

Fucking fascists man. They make me sick. greedy fuckers.

But that would still affect the economy for the worse no? People would be spending more money but if people have more money overall then the money itself is worth less than it was, catch my drift?

What are deductions?

I'll take Methods to Lower Taxable Income for $1000, Alex.

It took effort, for sure. A lot of research and learning. It was a hobby at first, I made a CNC for fun, another fun tool for the woodshop. When i bought an industrial CNC it really took off.

You're probably a smart guy with more interests. Develop those interests and find z qay to make some money off them. It beats a job you don't like, even with good pay.

I am going to vote for bernie because fuck this society lol...

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STOP REPLYING TO RUSSIAN TROLLS.
STOP REPLYING TO RUSSIAN TROLLS.
STOP REPLYING TO RUSSIAN TROLLS.
STOP REPLYING TO RUSSIAN TROLLS.

It still adds up to more than 50%

Who said anything about fascism? Go take a shower comrade.

sorry bud, but when average income is 60k/year, 500k is well above and beyond the wealthy mark. Bernie will fuck you real good. Better pack your shit for another country before he is elected.

How about no income tax? Income tax is unconstitutional

Adjusted gross income, dimwit. Read a math book.

I'll bite.

I'd rather have 7.20 an hour and free health care.
because paying out of pocket 73,000$ for non-urgent care, and 200,000$ for emergencies, makes my wallet broke at my current 8.50/hr anyway.

Then deal with the corporates who promote and profit of that shit. It would be great if we had stricter regulations on food so everything doesnt have High Fructose Corn Syrup in it. Your attacking the people and not the shitters peddling this shit.

Has he ever done anything that'd realistically aid a small business owner at the detriment to a corporation? I'm gonna go on a limb and say no. He's an ineffectual idealist at best, and a spineless cocksucker of the establishment on most days. Anyone convincing themselves a guy that's been a senator for 30 years is an outsider is willfully delusional.

No, it's not. It's as hard to work now for a better future as it is to work now for a better now. Work is work. It doesn't make it any more special if you had to sacrifice being a lazy sack of shit to do it.

The work employees do to give you the shit you buy is as valuable, if not more, than the work you did to get to where you are.

>everyone who is right of me is a russian troll
As Mussolini's granddaughter once said, it's better to be a fascist than a faggot.

Job loss is the biggest issue, inflation is obviously only affected by increasing the money supply.

>I buy $100,000 processing machine
>It's simple but time consuming
>I teach you how to use it at $10/hr
>I spend $10,000/day to run it
>It produces $11,000/day
>You think because your effort on my machine produced $11,000, you're entitled all of it.

so no one should ever make more than 150k? how are you gonna steal it from the rich? who decides where it goes?

>It would not be worth all the effort.
>>I'm confident most anyone would like to fill the niche you occupy.

>It still adds up to more than 50%
So you can't manage your money then?

If you're going to go after those people, then that means you have to go after *everyone* making more than that. You gonna use guns?

I praised his hard work I attacked the idea that just because he had to and could means everyone else has to have a similar path.

Well, they are wanting to elect a pedophile.

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1st thing. Obama said if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. So Democrats have been known to lie.
2nd 32 trillion dollars for ten years divided by 320 million Americans. That's 100,000 per American. So everyone would be paying roughly 10 thousand dollars extra a year in taxes. So your taxes + 10 thousand most likely means tax returns are gone forever. And that still doesn't even cover the college costs he is planning. It would have be everyone paying for it. Until the money is gone. And people give up completely.

Welcome to society cunt muffin

>>I'm confident most anyone would like to fill the niche you occupy.
Whoever said that, nice distain for the middle class professionals

Low effort own
snopes.com/fact-check/sanders-tax-plan-52-percent/

The main reason I’m voting for Bernie is I don’t want a president who wears more makeup than a gay faggot tranny

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ITT: People who think the world should be a few jewish billionaires paying everyone 30-40k a year.

and yet I'm still gonna vote for Bernie

This is actually fucking retarded. You're assuming every american will be taxed the same, which isnt at all how it will go. We'll most likely see higher income taxes with the top 10% and it will be less as your income gets lower. It's obvious that's what he'd do.

But fuck the right to life and liberty?

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is trump basically a Mexican at that shade?

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He loves that young trim

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Bff

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Let's break this silly example down. You bought a machine, that's 10 minutes of work. You taught someone how to use it. 1 day maximum, if you are a terrible teacher. And you paid someone starvation wages to exploit their labor and make $1000 in profits by sitting on your ass.

It makes perfect sense though. I can see why someone like you is petrified of Bernie.

No he’s a fucking gay faggot tranny drag queen.

Fuck trumps a sick pedo fuck.

This is really funny.
It will cost less because I will make it cost less!

A New York socialist polish jew is the successor to a German fascist anti-semite who invaded Poland? The fuck?

>Snopes

No guns, just a few extra digits on your tax returns where it says "health care"

the political pendulum is swinging in extremely violent poles now

once the retards went full-trump, there's no stopping it

This guy gets it. Socialists do not.

My equipment has cost me millions at this point. I have to buy materials. I have logistics to pay for. Yet I still pay out far more of the profits to my employees than I do to myself. Because I can, and I feel the balance is right.

It's my choice, since I'm the owner. Good luck seizing my property you socialist piece of shit. Everyone values my efforts, other than people like you. My employees love their jobs. They come to me with their best ideas, rather than take a risk to go it alone. And then I pay them more as the profits rise. It's fair. Your method is theft, because you're too stupid and lazy to make any alternative work.

>Whatcha doin?
>Democratic people's Republic
It's like you brainlet faggots believe that words are truth, instead of actions.

None of the states in your image were ever communism in anything but name. The workers never possessed the means of production. That is the singular definition of communism. There's no 'perfect version' of communism that hasn't been tried, because none of those have been ANY version. Communism hasn't been tried, full stop. If you can't wrap your head around that you are just a retard trusting the words of all those statist, authoritarian goons rather than paying even a modicum of attention to their actions.

Statism, on the other hand, is evil, and is what too much of the left wants, so Bernie can go suck a dick, he is espousing an evil ideology which has killed. You're still a retard. Stop using communism as a buzzword for everything even slightly left of your position you brainless faggot. You make discussion impossible with your sheer stupidity.

52% is someone filing at $10mil +
It doesn’t even apply to 95% of the US. It’s insane how these stooges think the American Dream™ works for them. The best you’ll do is MAYBE $1-$2mil over your lifetime. Statistically you’ll be eaten by a shark before becoming a member of the elite, so why not tax them and get college and healthcare out of it?

Wow, people have to lie in order to take down Sanders. What a surprise.

factcheck.org/2020/02/sanders-didnt-call-for-52-tax-on-29000-incomes/

Nobody in this thread is in the 1% so raising taxes on the wealthy doesn't hurt you in the slightest. Fucking sheep swinging on the nuts of the mega-wealthy hoping for table scraps...

Who subsidized your education, maintained the streets, provided you a high school education, and policed your streets?

Doesn't that benefit the whole society?

Who enforces your contracts?

>See what happens to my employees wages when my business is shut. I pay up to double industry standard pay. I don't have a single employee that makes less than $60k a year for full time work. With full benefits.
Nice fairy tale. If any company did this they would be outcompeted into obsolescence because it's always 'race to the bottom' with capitalism. Your imaginary argument against socialism lacks understanding of reality. If you're going to make shit up at least next time make it even slightly believable.

>You bought a machine, that's 10 minutes of work.
It took me five years of learning, four years of pay (at double the hours of most people), and a year of hard labor to set up my business. So no, not 10 minutes.

Teaching someone to use it takes months. It's technical work that is expensive if you fuck up.

I don't pay anyone less than $60k a year for full time work.

And I don't just sit on my ass, any day, ever.

This, one of the few non retards on this board.

You’ve never had a job, have you?

You paranoid fuck, no will seize your properties. But get fucking ready to pay a juicy tax for my health care you ungrateful bitch.

Remember when Trump made fun of Bernie as being "to old to be President" and now Trump is the age Bernie was when he made fun of him?

What a retard

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Sure. I bet you've noticed how much easier life gets for the majority when stock markets are high.

No you retard.

The cost estimates are also over a 10 year period - although whoever made this graphic chose the lowest ballpark estimates for costs and highest for savings, so it's still pretty BS

$100,000 isn't 10 minutes work, it's either a few years savings or a loan, but in either case, it's risk vs reward, and the employee doesn't take on the $100,000 + $10,000/day materials risk. If that whole $11,000 sells, then I made $900, and I'll be paid off in just over 3 months. If I'm 10% off in my calculations though, be it a market shift or a pitfall in marketing (which the employee need not worry about) and it makes $9,900, I'm ruined, doubly so if I took out a loan for the machine. What's worse, if the employee decides to throw the wrong switch and my product explodes on people, and I can't explicitly prove employee negligence, my business is liable. Then when I become insolvent, that faggot can still demand an unemployment check.

>Who subsidized your education
No one, I paid all of it.

>maintained the streets
That's a public good, so not socialism. And my taxes pay for it. That's what fuel taxes are for, retard.

>provided you a high school education
It was so bad that I dropped out half way through. So, no one.

>policed your streets
Property taxes. My rent paid the landlord, he paid the taxes, the taxes paid for police.

What's your point here?

Fuck it id rather be on the winning side than on the self destructive losers the left has become

No one. It's all at-will employment, I buy equipment and materials for cash, and I sell goods publicly. I've never had any need to enforce any contract in my life.

Why should anyone pay for your healthcare? Are you incapable of working or do you just feel entitled?

>We're not like the other socialists
>We won't take your stuff
>But here's why the USSR did nothing wrong as I was taught to believe their protocols verbatim
>Dude trust us

My business is high skill and specialized. My products are expensive, my employees are awesome, and the business has grown in productivity without needing many more employees. I have a scale for each position, and their raises are determined by business growth. Everyone is incentivized to grow the business.

>so butthurt he is literally trembling and can’t type properly
Hey hey just calm down buddy. Bernie is going to be President. You will be better off.

Why should anyone pay for your education or your roads or your municipal infrastructure?

Kek

Who issues the currency?

>ungrateful capitalist
>doesn't thank me for accepting his forced charity
>and won't support muh socialist candidate
>who wants to take more than half his income
>reeeeeeeeee

That was a joke you absolute mong

I swear they’re just punching themselves in the dick for a societal class that isn’t going to magically see them defending their money and go “oh yeah here’s a cool mil for sticking up to socialism for me”.

It’s the myth that in America you can do and be anything, but the reality is the system is not made to sustain wealth hoarding. We’re now in the death spiral of capitalism, the workers can no longer afford the products of their labor, nor can they afford the cities they’re told to work in, or the education their told to have in order to get the low-tier white colar job.

The system is not made for you to suddenly become a millionaire or billionaire. There will never be another Jeff Bezos. There will never be another Bill Gated. If the system was built to provide the elitism status with wealth than we’d have far more wealthy people. Statistically there would be far more millionaires and billionaires just in the US alone if the system actually provided the tools, but capitalism is not built for that.

Everyone is fooling themselves into believing they’ll be anything more than a drone to pump data and taxes from. Sure, we can strive for comfort, but we’ll never be even among the top 10%.

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There are options in each of those cases, none of them are even remotely Socialist programs btw. Answer the question or go back to your gay porn.

I think he's angling for the "anything that isn't ancap is socialism, so you consent already and we need to go full tilt" angle.

Btw, our parents pay for the right to all of those. Healthcare isn’t a right, it’s insurance.

Why does this myth of people not wanting to work continue to persist when the general culture in America is work like a fucking dog? In your daily life do you actually see people regularly who just don't want to work who also aren't on drugs?

Not trolling, genuinely curious...

All public goods that every government provides. Not commodities. So it's not socialism, you raging retard.

The govt. As s public good. What's your point?

Since Bernie talks about Scandinavia alot. Does any of you know how workers wages have been affected by the last decade of labor immigration?
Or how our welfare has been affected by overly generous Asylum policies?
We basically have open borders

That leaves two options, you either have a shit job that offers no health insurance or you’ve opted to not take the insurance offered.

>Sure, we can strive for comfort, but we’ll never be even among the top 10%.
And even our bottom 10% has more wealth, better health, and wellbeing than the vast majority of the population of every socialist state, ever.

woopty doo, you took a giant risk, while sitting on a comfortable armchair and clicked through some buttons. That's not work. That's worthless.

Nothing gets done when you take a risk on an investment and win. And nothing gets done when you lose. No product gets produced. No service is materialized. It's all just numbers until the employee actually operates that machine.

Why should the government provide those things then? If the government shouldn’t be bothered with higher education or healthcare why should they care about roads? Wouldn’t capitalism and not taxes just fix the streets to protect their trucks transporting their goods? Wouldn’t capitalism and not taxes pay for the fire department to then protect their properties?

Then people will lose motivation to perform well if they have IQ above room temperature. I you work hard, improving the output of not only yourself but also everyone around you but still get the same amount as a slacker who does the bare minimum to avoid getting fired (or a purely symbolic bonus) then you have no reason to improve.
Although it works in the same way non-business owners in capitalist system, no matter what corporate propaganda tells.

I see it everyday but I'm in Europe

Found the retard.

exactly this. this guy takes everything for granted.

The majority of those roads are government(local/federally) owned so it’s up to them to maintain.

"Sanders would raise the tax rate to 52% on earnings over $10 million"

Just read the damn bill idiot if you don't trust snopes.

The problem is you want to point at socialist dictatorships and say “see?! This what happens.” but then whinge and screech whenever someone points out countries where strong social programs exist and the quality of life is exponentially higher. Sure both are on the more “socialist” spectrum, but it’s the way in which they operate is what makes all the difference. Technically the current US system is a type of socialism where they give to the already rich and powerful but it’s at the expense of the common man. Why give these mega corps huge subsidies when they provide terribly paying jobs?

If the govt didn't provide these things, yes, corporate interests would. And they would set up for-profit means to do so. So a direct bill for policing, road use, fire protection. It would be inefficient. They are public goods, best left to the govt, as that is where govt shines. That does not mean that the govt should control commodities.

Healthcare is not a commodity. It's not a business product. It's a fucking human right.

Yeah, not only is it immoral for the wealthy to hold on to their billions at the expense of everyone else, it’s also bad economics plain and simple.
When’ll the wealth is held by 0.01%, there isn’t enough money moving around to grow the economy, so the wealthy begin to play games on Wall Street speculating and gambling in order to keep making money. Economists all knew that during the Obama years, the speculative markets began to decouple from the underlying productive economy, and the financial deregulation under Trump has made the system even more unstable.
Bottom line, Bernie isn’t threatening to wreck the global economy; the people on Wall Street are.

>1. Why should I pay 50+% in taxes? I get no value from it past a minimal amount. I recieved no benefits.
You definitely don't earn as much as you say you do if you are too stupid to understand progressive tax rates.
If you get $30/mo you are getting $360,000/yr.
You pay
$0 for the first $18,450
$846.75 for the next $56,450
$18,575 for the next $74,300
$22,190 for the next $79,250
$6451.50 for the next $19,550
All of which you ALREADY PAY. Plus
$59,755 for the next $161,500 (compared to $53,295 right now, you are actually only paying $40,700 because you earn only part of this bracket.)
And that's the top tax bracket your income reaches, because you don't make all of that next $161k, brainlet.
>But over half my income? Fuck right off.
It isn't retard.
Your total tax, based on $360k a year under Bernie is $88,763.25. Currently if your fiction were true you would know you pay $84,363.25.
>Bernie wants to set up a system that will discourage and destroy people like me. If I get taxed at over 50%, my 60 hour a week business is not worth it.
But you won't so that means fuck all.

All your points are basically moot because you are a moron who doesn't understand the very basics of taxes. You probably don't even earn enough to pay them. Get out of your parents' basement and earn a real living and come April you will understand taxes.

Nice story but since you are too rarted to know how tax works clearly it doesn't belong in the non-fiction section.

It’s not a right at all. It revolves around scarcity, whether they be doctors, nurses, voodoo priests, etc.

This discussion of "rights" is a pointless language game, and yes, the constitution does restrict individual behavior by creating the government that does that, which was the obvious intent behind the constitution.

Right, and as a citizen who has to pay into the system and provide the oligarch’s subsidies why then should I not have an education and healthcare through the government? If I’m paying into a system that provided amenities why can’t education and healthcare be considered among those? The better the education the better job which means more taxes. The availability of single-payer healthcare means that I can stay healthy which means I can work more which provides taxes. The road provides a service, as do I. Why should the government only care about the property and not the people?

How is money produced? Through new invention and capital or by printing?

And how much do you earn?

factcheck.org/2020/02/sanders-didnt-call-for-52-tax-on-29000-incomes/

This is a lie, please stop doing that.

Will you still be working at Del Taco? If so, why should anyone give a damn about you as you climb the fast food chain through your 30s and 40s?

>doesn't have health insurance
I wonder what tune he'll be singing when he gets sick or injured and the medical bill is 100k

HAHAHA
>rights

Central banks

But that’s where our logic differs. You feel that education and healthcare are commodities, I don’t. How healthy I am shouldn’t be a commodity. I wasn’t asked to be born and placed in their system, but here I am, and I have to provide for that system. In turn the system should provide certain things to ensure my health and education to continue serving that system.

Ben "the-one-man-klan" Garrison?

So you think Bernie's campaign staff shouldn't be paid, because all that campaigning, advertising, sitting on a comfortable armchair and making phone calls, clicking buttons. It's worthless and not actually work.

If I take a risk on an investment and win, I make some money and likely invest some more back and keep going. If I lose, I'm fucked, and somehow I doubt the socialism fairy of debt forgiveness is going to pay me $100,000 + interest for my machine because it wouldn't make me the money I intended to. If you think you're entitled the whole $1,000 profit vs the $100 I pay you, I'll just hire someone else who isn't a retard. But hey, since we all have to be paid for our time, I'm going to invoice you for spending a day (valued at $1,000) teaching your dumb ass how to pull levers.

You know, I used to not really give a fuck about classism, but the overt anti-rich classism of socialist sorts like you is starting to make me consider saying loud and proud, "Fuck the poor"

Mao and Lenin did not kill innocent people. Stalin only killed political opponents. Pol Pot was a genocidal maniac, but so was Hitler, who was a capitalist.

All of you Americans are so blinded by politics that it's literally segregating the population.

That’s a pretty weak point. The type of labor someone provides doesn’t equal worthiness of participation in the system.

To be fair, if snopes said it was true I had a fairly average dick, I'd be inclined to double check if it went up or down a little in its brief absence from my grasp.

Incorrect, the treasury prints the money and the Federal Reserve controls the flow of money. This is all dependent on The economical growth rate as well as destruction rate throughout our society.

The side that goes..."well, you can't take it feom me when I'm dead and when I'm dead, I won't care."

But it does account to the benefits provided to them.

god this is the fakest thing ive ever seen

And for the mega corps we don't give huge subsidies to (assuming we take that phrase at face value), the USA has some of the highest corporate taxes in the world.

You heard it here folks, facts are now fake.

Yeah, capitalism is risky, which is why the wealthy have created a whole system of safeguards to make sure they always come out on top.
nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/report-trump-lost-more-1-billion-1985-1994-n1003141

The same people who forget medical debt typically gets placed on your family after death. It’s the individualism of the American Dream that gets drilled into everyone, “fuck you I got mine” is what has been strangling the US.

This is from Bernies own website
Kill yourself today

Healthcare is a commodity. You can't assert it for yourself, you have to demand somebody else does it for you. However, self defense IS a human right, yet for some reason, all you faggots harping about human rights are real fucking quick to want to ban firearms (IE: the tools of the era that best accommodate self defense)

no one really paid that amount. it was only the president himself that paid 75% under FDR for example. Dont drink the coolaid dumbo

Healthcare is provided by governments normally.
Education is not ‘public goods’

Would you mind expanding on what you mean by it's a status system that is killed a lot of people? Not trying to be an asshole just genuinely curious.

How stupid are you to believe random facebook memes. These aren't the actual figures from Bernies Tax Plan - thats these : www dot bernietax dot com

Fake.

Out of the 111 countries with a corporate tax rate above 20% the US ranks 84th with a 25.89% I wouldn’t call that “one of the highest”.

> “fuck you I got mine” is what has been strangling the US.

As opposed to "fuck you I want yours"?

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Wrong Question:

Money is made by printing but all that does is borrow its values from existing money if that printing doesn't reflect actual more value being added into the system.

The right questions is:

How to we produce value and wealth for as many as we can?
The answer to that question is give incentive for innovation and investment by using reasonably regulated capitalism, to prevent fraud, theft, exchanging items whose incredible innate public good (the national parks for example) greatly out weighs any short term private monetary profit, and foolhardy gambling like the sub-prime mortgage collapse fiasco.

he never advocated rising taxes on lower class people you liar, but making the upper class actually pay them. How sad is it your retardation can only be promoted by laying.

Trumps safeguard was generally having a rich daddy to bail him out.

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Lol no. We are 'one of the highest' corporate tax rates only if you extend what you categorize as 'some of the highest' as anything down to and including the median, which we very much are sitting right on. High corporate tax rates are 40ish% America is 21%. Many, MANY countries have a higher rate than us including China, Germany, the UK, Luxembourg, and the list could go on but I just don't have the time to tell you how stupid you are in that much detail.

You dumb.

Who will be the innocents when Bernie wins? Trump fags or centrist Dems?

Hitler did not kill innocent people. Hitler was a socialist. Now, I know you'll say "Don't be fooled by the Socialist in Nationalist Socialist", but I'd tell you don't be fooled by the Nationalist. He was a socialist through and through and aspired for a one world government which he ultimately controlled. He's a lot like the EU today - internationalist(globalist) socialists

It’s 4% on the first tier. $1200 per year. It’s on the website.

Yup, these cockroaches bail each other out all the time. Socialism works really well for billionaires.

At this point these people have to be retarded. How do they not know how bracket-based taxing works? You get taxed that amount, in this case 52%, on earnings above $29k, not on everything you earn (which means that if you're barely scraping past $29k, the vast majority of your tax is calculated at that lower amount.

Do people think that wages on the ground level just vanish into thin air? Low income earners spend their money proportionately more than high income ones do, because they need food, they need medicine, they don't have connections and they don't have money spare to put aside in savings accounts by the thousands or offshore accounts by the million. And do people not see the value of having healthy workers?

I don’t know anyone who wants an outright ban on guns. I enjoy going to the range myself. Also, no one is demanding the labor of another. A single-payer system is just that. It reduces the absurd prices set for procedures and medicines without reducing salaries. If doctors at a standard hospital made money off the surgeries their salaries would be exponentially higher in today’s current system. You seem to think that the single-payer system forces doctors to work for free or reduced pay, but that simply isn’t true.

Stay in your containment board, incel.

False. That was the top tax bracket for incomes. It was not the president-exclusive tax rate.

Well said. Reasonable regulation of capitalism has been the engine and the innovation and hard work it kindles in hopeful people which has risen more people out of the deepest levels of poverty in the last century than any other force. That selling Communism and Socialism has killed more poor people than any other system, making once rich countries poor.

youtube.com/watch?v=NDTbNmUgeXk

As opposed to "let's all chip in so that everyone can have it."

Eh, society can do better than that. It's not that you're wrong. It's just that the world is better if people get health care.

>Socialism works really well for billionaires.
Explain

No one is stealing people’s properties or liberties. It’s taxing on a scale which most countries do successfully and have a higher quality of life. Try harder, new friend.

over 9000

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Well, I'll take the risk of capitalism over the guaranteed failure of socialism.

Two things wrong with this: One, Trump didn't declare bankruptcy legally speaking, 2% of his businesses did (Businesses have an ~80% failure rate after 5 yrs). Two: His dad gave him a loan, which he had to pay off, with interest. After that, I'm just gonna have to insist the socialists seethe that there's not a 100% death tax.

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>The answer to that question is give incentive for innovation and investment by using reasonably regulated capitalism, to prevent fraud, theft, exchanging items whose incredible innate public good
Like healthcare. Public healthcare is an innate public good and this can be seen everywhere in the world. America seems to like to ignore this though, for the sake of profit.

>It’s taxing on a scale which most countries do successfully and have a higher quality of life.
What happens when the US stops paying their bills?

Well memed fren.

So basically you know you can't answer the question without me pointing out that you won't be destroyed by Bernie's tax plan because for more than 90% of Americans there will be NO CHANGE at all.

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What about having actually good coverage. Mine is fine now. Most people are happy with theirs. What about people pay their own way?

Looked into this and found my discrepancy. It used to be one of the highest before Trump fixed that. Good thing, too. Businesses can flow and economy can rise.

I'll own my fault though, I posted an old idea.

His dad gave him a loan with no guarantor and no background check, no indication he could reliably pay it off, and no collateral, as well as the service of PERSONALLY bailing out several of his failing businesses.

Capitalism didn't make a success of Donald Trump. Nepotism did. If he hadn't had a dad no bank would have provided that loan and when he fucked up his businesses no capital system would have bailed them out.

Try again Skippy

Are we changing the subject now?

No, it didn't. It's been around the low 20s for about 15 years. There have always been a massive number of other countries with higher corporate tax.

Try again.

you want me to disclose information that will reveal my identity so no I will not answer your personal question

How much do you earn?

KEK REKT

He said he works 2 jobs, not that he was a marine.
Either he's not using the GI bill or is a fake.

Please tell me you make high end sex dolls

Public healthcare results in longer life expectancies everywhere it is implemented. Their coverage is fine.

just sayin....

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Fine. Give me a current tax bracket you fit in. That will make identification impossible.

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Take it you don't know any democrat/socialist politicians, and you don't know Sanders himself.

With single-payer, you're demanding value from MY labor goes to fund your surgery (and possibly a sex change for an 8 yr old tranny kid, and their breast implants, and their mom's abortion.) Gov't interference by and large doesn't make things cheaper, and it's how we got the student debt bubble to begin with. Hell, Clinton's interference got us the housing bubble that caused the recession everyone blamed Bush for. Our gov't spent several hundred thousand dollars to study the mating habits of quail when given cocaine. A study was done for 2 million dollars by our gov't as to why lesbians are fat. We spent 4 trillion to go to a country that was already a pile of rubble so we could re-arrange it to a different pile of rubble, only to find the guy we were hunting was in a different fucking country. The government fucking sucks at spending money ethically or efficiently. You want to lower prices in the medical field? Get hospitals to itemize and price out their shit and stop the existing limitation of insurance companies so they can work over state lines. It creates a bunch of little artificial monopolies. Over-priced drugs aren't ideal either, but when you have a bloated FDA demanding 10 million dollars a test it's going to happen. the same FDA that says pot will kill you but oxycontin should be in everyone's diet above the age of 55 (I'm banting on that one, but not by much)

Give Bernie his way, and not only will our medical innovation die like the rest of the so-called developed world (they come to us when they want to live), but it will cost the taxpayers out the ass as the hospitals can charge whatever the fuck they want to the government. Who cares, they're getting paid anyway. Furthermore, socialized healthcare can be weaponized against political opponents or anyone the hospital doesn't like, certainly as Bernie & friends feed into woke culture. See the NHS

So what happens if you don't pay those taxes? Does it involve the taking of your property by force, your incarceration, and if you're not willing to comply potential death?

When more than half your pay is taken is that not dragging you down rather than lifting anyone up?

Honestly the opportunity for gainful employment is a much more powerful tool than hands out stolen from the pockets of others.

Charity is a choice, i don't believe it is a choice others should make for you because if it is it really loses the true genuine beautiful humanity of the act and instead becomes the exercise of the ego other those with political power.

Statistically Right Wing People Donate more to non-profits and charitys than left wing people. THERE MAY BE A RELIGIOUS BIAS, being called by what you believe to be god to do something is a good motivator to give 10% pr more above what you're taxed to help those in needs. Those systems tend when run transparently as they should be run on minimum bearacratic overhead, the head of the Salvation Army only makes about 50,000 a year working full time, in what would be a multimillion CEO leftist charity positions or Several hundreds of thousands of a Bureaucrat in a state wide supervisory role for DHFY Services. Why? Real Charity, the type they'd make everyone to poor to perform willingly and then due to loss in the system everyone would be poorer for it, especially the poor even with more money going in, less reach those in need because Government money pipes are thirsty themselves and ALWAYS drink first.

I can loan money to who ever I want without a background check. You don't need a bank's permission to finance, you fucking kike. He did have a legally binding contract, and to my knowledge it wasn't daddy who bailed out his handful of business bankruptcies, it was him himself. After that, he built significantly and did it predominantly through real estate, not just the stock market.

It was 40% in 2016 and hasn't been this low since 1939.

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