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Ok, now (once again without looking it up) define "socialism" in your own words, as if you were a writer for a dictionary

Fuck liberals

Not the same guy, just wanted to explain to you why your ideology isn't practiced in a single society.

Still not answering the question. I wanna know if you are here as part of some organization and if you are here to collect data for a gay survey

>Socialism
A political ideology based around the notion that the nation is some sort of collective, and the individual must be broken down to fit into systems of control it has laid forth. A notable philosophical marking of these... socialists... is their reliance on their demographic statistics. The debasement of human action to a mess of falsely equivalent and mindless blips of energy. Willful ignorance of the truth that has been demonstrated throuought history. It is only the few, exceptional people who have ever brought anything good into this world.
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>in your own words.
Weip granap bib nogroshu favravrel hipfulgr, bzardna ruffoflo hagnep granap thnoo.

That's fine, although I'd be interested to know how you'd define socialism in a dictionary sense (without looking it up)

Just self interest.

Idk. The antithesis to capitalism?

Large scale societal and democratic control over the markets and labor.

Took a crack at it. Might sound like an excuse but this is the most I've been able to grasp from listening to Vaush debates, so if anything it's his fault for the lack of transparency on what exactly he wants.

>Define "socialism" as best as you can
tax bucks being used to fund social programs
im a left leaning libertarian.
as much freedom from government regs as possible

>Define "socialism" as best as you can ***WITHOUT*** looking it up, in your own words.
Negan takes 1/2 my shit and then provides for me.
but if i fail to give him 1/2 my shit i get locked up and killed

im a centrist dem who wants pete

Ugh, fine. Socialism is a rotten ideology based on the idea that we are all equal and that government knows whats best for you. It rewards laziness and demands conformity.

Niggers
Also, op is a faggot

but is op a niggerfaggot?
thats the REAL question

socialism in the 21st century is recognizing that - for many, many people - the cards are unfairly stacked against them by virtue of their birth and attempting to redress that balance

ultimately it's about fighting inequality, whether that's income related, in access to education or quality healthcare

It's about ensuring that no-one is able to fall out of society because of strong education and welfare programs.

For me personally socialism is important because it accepts that people are often dealt a hand in life they cannot improve without external help

IT IS NOT COMMUNISM AND IT IS NOT ABOUT REDISTRIBUTING PHYSICAL PROPERTY OR LAND, IT IS NOT ABOUT STATE MANDATED VIOLENCE

STOP CONFLATING STALINIST RUSSIA WITH SOCIALISM YOU FUCKING CUNTS

JUST LOOK AT DENMARK FOR FUCK'S SAKE

That's fascism or communism, idiot

Look up horseshoe theory

>JUST LOOK AT DENMARK FOR FUCK'S SAKE
small, mostly white country.

FUCKING BASED!!!!!!

Who told you socialism was about total control of the masses? That sounds like capitalism to me

The goal of socialism is communism

Fuck conservatives

You selfish pricks are going to destroy the planet for the stock market? Fuck you cunt

>Define "socialism"
its a system where everything is FREE!!!!!!
lets fucking do this!!!!!

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"Horseshoe theory" is the centrist's inability to understand how he stands in the way of progress, and why he's universally hated.

or their innovation leads to amazing new tech like renewable energy and medicine.
meanwhile libs are just discovering new gender identity

>selfish

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The ideology that actually lets you start small businesses and not pay taxes? Sure sounds like complete control. Yes, big gov intervention is true freedom in every facet of life is true freedom.

whats wrong with being a modest centrist ?

Why are politics so complicated

socialist states are those with a centrally planned economy, in which a majority of industry is owned and operated by the state. They frequently have authoritarian aspects to them, limiting press and personal freedoms, and also often times offer a large welfare state to the populace.

I am a social democrat.

No it isn't - you're the one who sounds like a Marxist. Marxists believe that all societal stages are just steps on the path towards communism.

Socialists want to give you free healthcare and believe the elites who exploit all of us should contribute more to society. Why are we demonized so much for it?

>inb4 "socialists want to control the population"
>inb4 "people don't want to work together"

stop it, you fedora wielding faggot - libertarianism is retarded and all society would crumble without it

If you see nothing wrong with the collapse of society I have nothing more to say to you, you're too far gone

Socialism is the collective (public) ownership of the means of production.

I am a left leaning libertarian.

Yes, because great discoveries were obviously only done by ancap legends working in their garages, and all medicinal discoveres must be brutally exploited by the rich and powerful

You're an idiot

Nothing, as long as there aren't looming disasters on the horizon while centrism sits on its ass and gives us 'more of the same' as it were. This is coming from a left leaning centrist.

Workers' control of the means of production.

That's communism

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your're a failure

I'm not conservative, I'm not sure where you're getting that idea. Personally I'd describe myself as a leftist

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Again, this is communism

No, communism is a stateless, classless, moneyless society. Socialism in my definition requires a state.

>acknowledges a rich history of misdeeds associated and directly tied to his belief system
>cant understand why its bad optics

I love universal healthcare, but I fucking hate leftists.

>Define "socialism" in your own words.
The state having the power to regulate its economy and the firms operating within its borders to ensure that they are serving the interests of the state/people.
>Also, state your political ideology.
National Socialist. Basically the ideology of standing up for and pursuing one's own racial interests.

And yet Denmark rejects the socialist label. No socialism is not communism, it is just a step on the road to communism. You are also highly misinformed if you believe that socialism is not about redistribution of property. They say it is to stop people from hiding wealth by buying up land and other real property.

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>Thinking Shillary and Obummer fought for socialism

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How do you expect to enforce socialism in a libertarian state? Does it rely everyone voluntarily paying taxes and contributing to the system? What happens to someone like Wesley Snipes, a millionaire who refused to pay income taxes from his films?

Fuck you people are dumb. Socialism is the government controlling the means of production.
Thats it.

socialism is the belief that society is too dumb to know what they need. so people in power should decide for them.

I don't know what I am. I like libertarian views and the idea of the keeping the government's hands out of shit. The fact that governments even care about abortion is retarded and it shouldn't even be a topic. It should be a personal and moral choice and if necessary, the opinion of the doctors/experts for more of an educated decision.

>talks about fighting inequality
>doesnt mention anything about regulating business
Enjoy giving the poor all the free education and welfare they can get before they start work as Corparate Slave #57843897325790

Socialism is where the government goes up to you (a farmer), takes your cows and gives them to the guy who takes care of chickens. Then the government takes his chickens and gives them to you and tells you to take care of them. The issue is that the chicken farmer doesn't know how to work with cows, and you don't know how to work with chickens.

STOP THE FUCKING MEME. WE ARE NOT EQUAL. Niggers, Kikes, Faggots, Retards, all genetic scum that MUST be purged if we, as a society are to progress pass petty bullshit. I dont know nor care if that makes me a fascist, communist, libertarian or whatever.

A system where the poor tell the rich how to cut up the pizza

Op is a research project

You really explained it in your own words there. Fucking retard.

China is stateless and moneyless huh? Learn something new everyday

Passfag OP are you still there

Personally I lean towards communism, but I can give an idea of how libertarian market socialism could work.

In a market socialist society, workers could work in unions and democratically determine how payment is distributed between them. If this society decides to implement taxes, the people of the society could directly-democratically determine how taxes would be implemented, and where the money would go. People who refuse to participate may be exiled

I bought the communist manifesto but never got around to read it, is that a good start anyway.

Trump supporter 100% here, btw, just like reading opposing viewpoints

The person you replied to described a communist society (something that has never existed yet in our history), not a communist state (see China, USSR, etc).

Communist states are states that intend (or at least claim to intend) to gradually transition into a communist society by, at the leadership of a dictatorship of the proletariat, implement aspects of communism.

Obviously this has historically only lead to corruption, so that is why I cannot support Marxism. Instead, I would like to see a more direct transition into communism that does not involve a state or a DotP.

you have two cows, the state takes one

I'm not a Marxist so I'm not well-versed in Marxist writings, but Das Kapital by Marx may be better than the manifesto at explaining Marx's views

Thanks, ill buy that too

It's just publicly owned capital. Either workers, the state, communes.

lmao

Bingo

don't bother, it's 1100 pages and no one normal has read it.

read david harvey's 'the limits to capital', it's based on the same book, just better

to answer the OP, socialism is worker ownership and control of the means of production

idealist interpretation of history

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there is no capitalism, there is only statism

worker owns what he makes as well as the tools he uses

NO. CHINA IS LIBERAL SOCIALIST CURRENTLY, NOT COMMUNIST. THEY REJECT THE FREE MARKET FOR DEPRIVING THE POPULATION OF GOODS AND SERVICES FOR STATE EXPANSION. GET IT, IDIOT?

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Control of the economy by the organised and armed working people

OKAY LOOK, FAGS:
COMMUNISM: MATERIALIST INTERPRETATION OF HISTORY

SOCIALISM: IDEALIST INTERPRETATION OF HISTORY

STATISM/CAPITALISM: REALIST INTERPRETATION OF HISTORY.

YOU ALL ARE STATIST GARBAGE LIVING IN MOMMYS BASEMENT.

cumbrain

let march on washington

Socialism is when the people control the means of production.

Communism is a stateless classless society, which has never been achieved.

Pure Socialism is the ownership of all capital and natural resources by the people.

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nope, its ownership of the state by MY BALLS

we have the legal right to kill your parents now ;)
-slaps your daughters ass-

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That's state capitalism google it

oh the definition is
socialism: noun
back to Cred Forums

Mostly just makes you a retard. Have a good night.

communism is a classless society. socialism is the dictatorship of the proletariat

I am a proud galaxy brain radical centrist

socialism is an political ideology purely focused on building and upholding a uniform society
members of a socialist society must be uniform in every meaningful way from opinions and values all the way to physical health and material wealth
those who are meaningfully different than the average are thereby labeled amoral (or these days deplorable) because socialists consider society as the ultimate value

In a socialist mode of production the workers control the means of production through dictatorship of the proletariat.

I'm a M-L. Funny thread, I always chuckle when I see sub 70 IQ uneducated brainlets who think bernie sanders is a socialist

we are taking your guns then, nigger

the jokes on you i dont own a gun

Negan doesn't kill you, he kills those you care about.

I'm finna elaborate on why you should kys

the economist view-
capitalism=private ownership and control of the means of production

fascism=private ownership and government control of the means of production

socialism=government ownership and control of the means of production

Socialism is synonymous with government. Bigger/more equals less liberty and less individual rights. Either by direct law or by the taxing of individual equity. Registered libertarian.

a tool with neutral moral framing that is used by a government to redistribute wealth and limit exploitation from powers deemed to be of risk to the middle class.

am fascist

i will eat your baby for you, dont worry ;)

socialism=you're body and actions are not of your on volition it's the government's

and if you aren't libertarian, you aren't wiling to put in the effort to fix your own problems

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t. Hershel the mohel

no division of rich and poor.
no social caste system.
Just like everything if it strays too far libertarian or authoritarian it is bad.

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A system of economic organization in which the means of production are socially owned. This can take various forms including, but not limited to, state-owned enterprises, workers' self-management, and cooperatives.

Liberal.

Socialism is seizing the means of production by workers for redistribution to the workers.

Socialism IS NOT
-police
-fire fighters
-roads
-taxes

Basically correct. Can't believe I had to scroll this far down to find it. This is why retards shouldn't be allowed to access the internet.

I think that is closer to communistic socialism.
Can't you have socialism where you can own a means of production but everyone who works there gets paid the same wage?
inc.com/magazine/201511/paul-keegan/does-more-pay-mean-more-growth.html

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A form of population control designed to subdue and dominate the people through reliance.

I'm not sure I understand your question. If you're referring to a single cooperatively owned enterprise in which everyone is paid the same, regardless of their specific duties, then you could possibly argue that socialism forms some of their guiding principles.

>MFW I read some the definitions in this thread

Y'all need to read a fucking book

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No fascists allowed. Liberal National Socialism, or i eat your baby for you :) HAVE A NICE DAY.

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Socialism is the economic wing of Marxism. It's foundation lies in equal distribution of utility regardless of the amount of contribution that generates commerce.

My political ideology is basically not being an autistic incompetent. To put it more simply, I'm not an Incel.

>be me
>not an incel
>not retarded
>not autistic
>not below average intelligence
>not an incel
>feels pretty fuckin good

What if, instead of government controlling the means of production, everyone got an equal share of gdp.
and that's it.
that's all the government did in the form of socialism.
pay people based on the country's productivity.

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not every socialist is a marxist.

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State control of any industry or service, funded by the taxpayer, with certain consequences to the taxpayer if they resist in any way.

Libertarian.

based schizoposter

very true

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The thought that the strongest shoulders should hold the heaviest load so to speak.
Personally I find the "One is his own fortune" much more fair and preferable.

I don't think one way will always be the correct way.
In the time we are in now I think that socialism would help humanity as a whole more than "One is his own fortune"
The internet itself is a socialists wet dream.
Think of the possibilities if we expanded on it?
Once humans leave earth I suppose socialism will be largely impossible.

ill enjoy your daughters on wine day :)

ill enjoy your daughter on labour day :) BUH BYE

Are you talking about something that actually happened in the real world, or a hypothetical scenario? I'm not aware of any government that simply distributed an equal share of its nation's GDP directly to its citizens.

Niggers and low lifes get my money

There you go, pretty all encompassing

because in order for the gov to seize the means of production it has to centralize all the power in the country making it unaccountable which is how you get a dictatorship for starters. Who gets to say who are the haves and the have not anyways? It's always some upper middle class narcissist who attempts to speak for the working class completely misunderstanding and misrepresenting them in every way all in a means to gain power and authority in order to bring out a non existent utopia by force and death.

A spook.

most socialism has been tainted by communism.
authoritarianism infects as well as libertarianism.
to truly succeed socialism needs to remain on the line.
I do not agree with government control.
Only with equality.

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nice...

FUCK NIGGERS !!
FUCK NIGGERS !!

FUCK NIGGERS !!FUCK NIGGERS !!

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you are the nigger low life to anyone who makes more than you.

Ok Max

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An anonymous message board cannot coexist with a socialist political dominion.

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why are there nigger dicks
in
ever
fucking
god damn
thread

That's racist

>That's racist
probably bigotry-

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jews or insecure nig

Well niggers what is America now? A state of rich and serfs prove me wrong.

I wouldn't say one or the other is correct so to speak. In politics I guess there never really IS a defined correct way of doing things. Opinions play a huge role in politics which make it an incredibly interesting topic to discuss. Coming from Denmark, where socialism is basically the foundation of our country, hearing someone like Sanders talk about it and referring to us so often kind of leaves a bad taste in my mouth, because the man has gotten a quite different view on how we do things in my country. On top of this, the way we do things in Denmark I simply could not see work in such a vastly different country as the states, where the thought of "you reap what you sow" is engraved in their culture (as far as I've understood it). Politics are tough, but hell is it fucking interesting imo

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>"you reap what you sow" is engraved in their culture
I'm midwest US.
the divide between rich and poor is becoming more and more apparent.
Idk how it will work but the current system isn't working anymore for a lot of people.
I think bernie is a step in the right direction.
I don't agree with some of bernie's opinions but trump is not what we need or want anymore I think.
His "drain the swamp" retoric is what won him a lot of the states he won and the fact that the democrats fucked bernie over in favor of clinton.
Taxes aren't going into infrastructure anymore.
Most of it is seemingly going into the pockets of the rich.

lol