Why aren't you voting for him?

Why aren't you voting for him?

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Because he's a nigger

Because socialism is cancer.

I have a rudimentary understanding of economics.

Why do you believe socialism is cancer?

And?

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Because socialism doesn’t work. He is fucking old and on his deathbed age wise as well.

It's been conclusively proven that socialism doesn't work, both in theory and empirically

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I'm Canadian

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>doesn't apologize
you're not Canadian

I was going to vote for Yang, but I'm voting for Bernie now

>empirically
kek get a load of this pseudointellectual nigger

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Why do you think we want to institute it here then?

The Holodomor would like a word with you

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>Better dead than red.

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I am in Tuesday's primary, then I'll vote for whichever democrat gets nominated in the general election.

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I am.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=JX2VatQp6fc

Burp

Because he said so

the right can't meme

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Because I'm voting for Trump.

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Please explain to me why you think socialism doesn't work.

You think Bernie is a Marxist? Please explain.

The irony

Why Trump?

wrong.

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nobody is suggesting a purely socialist society.

dumbass

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Believing liberal economic is working, or will, is the tard move here.

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Well because he's a filthy fucking socialist and has no idea how he's going to get the money for his retarded proposals.

Read von Mises' book, it thoroughly demolishes socialism. Among many others, there's the economic calculation problem.

>Why Trump?
I prefer to keep what I earn.

Not down with his immigration and firearm policies. Otherwise I honestly would.

I am suggesting a purely socialist society

Imagine thinking Bernie Sanders is a communist lmao

How uneducated about communism can you get

every red state but 1 has failed economically, except texas.

every blue state has gloriously succeeded economically

are you literally retarded, or just in such denial that you can't see the forest from the trees, son?

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Your typical Trump supporter

>give me your money so I can buy things for you
He's a socialist because he wants to implement socialism. You retard.
Not if any fat black bitches or a little white girl gets in his way.

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well Bernie isn't, so if that's what you want then you need to run for president.

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Maybe if you had a thorough understanding of economics you would be

I studied economics and i am shocked out how books and teachers never address the elephant in the room: capitalism fosters monopolies/oligarchies over the long run. RIP consumer and civilian rights

not sure if trolling or just retarded

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if you're not in the 1%, you pay into a socialist society under trump (you pay for roads/police/social security/fire dept/medicare/Medicaid etc.)

another retard.

I'm not trying to be any kind of leader. If it were up to me we just wouldn't elect another president at all

>Imagine thinking Bernie Sanders is a communist lmao
Search the entire thread, retard. You're the first person to use the word "communist" or "communism"

>Source: Bloomberg

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>or a little white girl
well we know how much dirty donnie loves the little white girls

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Because I'm from Vermont so I have a first hand view of his utter bullshit. Also his wife fucked over Burlington College and got away with milliond in fraud.

I don’t believe the “rich” would pay these higher taxes (50% + wtf). They’ll either hide their money better or find a way to not pay it. Meanwhile, the cost of his programs will exponentially increase and these cost will fall to the middle class to pay for. Ultimately, myself and people in my tax bracket would get boned hard.

That you mock people that disagree with you is why you aren't winnings anyone over.

I am honestly curious whether anyone of the people who who suggests von Mises book has actually read it

>impotent

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your studied prove that socialism doesn't work because the system is controlled by a centralized banking system that manipulates the markets and trade agreements by the helped of their groomed politicians.

Lmao you fucking wish faggot. That's low tier bait

>sauce: Bloomberg
Are you fucking retarded? After everything coming to light on how untrustworthy he is you post this shit?

Stay mad my guy. Your life will get better under a Sanders administration

No vote from me simply because of the hypocrisy with millionaires and his thief of a wife

Because felons dont get to vote

I won't vote for him in the primary, because I will lose money under him (even according to his own website), but the amount of damage that Trump is doing to this country means I'll bite my tongue and vote for him over Trump if I absolutely have to.

Bernie's philosophy is awful though. He gets too stuck in what people "deserve" as a mindset without realizing that everything has a cost. You can't say everyone "deserves" quality health care or free education without someone paying for it. Bernie was probably one of those kids growing up who said a solution to money problems was just to print more money.

This is why we should raise the voting age to 30, because of idiots like you.

The his wife shouldn't vote.

Socialism does not advocate for a centralized banking system to run the economy. What are you talking about?

I mean we're fucked anyways right?

That's not socialism, I get to use those things too. It's not the same as paying your medical bills so you can have your daily diet of tendies, Doritos, and mountain dew.

That's cool that you think I'm younger than 30

Bernie is a grumpy old man that's made running for president a life long career, all the while being completely full of shit.

>Because I'm from Vermont so I have a first hand view of his utter bullshit. Also his wife fucked over Burlington College and got away with milliond in fraud.

can you elaborate more

Look at all these Russians pushing to get Bernie elected.

Oh so you are just fucking retarded then. Got it.

What say you on his felon wifes sketchy past?

If you studied economics, you'd know that monopolies and trusts are inherently unstable, and tend to quickly dissolve, because of outside competition or the incentive for members of trust to cheat on each other in order to increase their relative market share. The only exception are natural monopolies, which are extremely rare (de Beers is the only conclusive example), and when the state steps up in to enforce cartels and create barriers to new competition.

You'd also realize that it's not capitalism that fosters oligarchies, but the government. Cronyism only happens when it becomes more economically profitable for companies to lobby and support politicians, than to compete in the free market. This happens when the government has grown in power, inserted itself in all areas of everyday life, and has been given great discretionary power to either tweak the rules or make judgments on the rules.

Better dead then red

I'm not voting for his wife

nytimes.com/2019/06/21/us/politics/jane-omeara-sanders-burlington-college.html

Because I'd prefer 4 more years of greatness and I'd rather not have to wait in a bread line.

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That has nothing to do with von Mises' critique.

In fact, the central bank problem is now universal in capitalistic countries.

>Socialism does not advocate for a centralized banking system to run the economy. What are you talking about?

I am saying any study is looked with this existing environment. The federal reserve, IMF, and the world bank can put pressure on politicians to sanction, sabotage, and overthrow socialist governments if they please.

because he thinks govs should be giving out free shit to everyone. also he is a commie who spent time in actual commie Russia

The difference is that Bernie believes that certain people "deserve" certain things, regardless of whether they have contributed to society or whether they have paid for it. That's a lot different than paying into society and realizing a mutual benefit.

Bernie would believe that even unemployed, non-taxpayers should just get to go to the ER over and over, with no consequence, while bankrupting someone else over it not having to pay for it. A mismatch in incentives is dangerous.

Paying for people that don't contribute in the short term may give everyone warm and fuzzy feelings, but it's reckless, selfish, and it just amounts to theft from our future children and grandchildren.

why dont you? did you keep your Marks lens on when reading history?

you'd rather have your parents in a bread line and ill (no healthcare) when they lose their social security and medicare under that fat monstrosity?

As far as I can see it have social media giants like Google or Facebook pretty untouchable monopolies. Social media platforms create a valuable user experience because most people are using it

You mean the thing done by a fascist country under the name of communism during a post-war famine is the fault of socialism??

Yup. Another Vermonter here. She was investigated by the FBI but not enough CRIMINAL evidence was found: burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/local/vermont/2018/11/13/burlington-college-federal-investigation-ends-no-charges-jane-sanders/1989505002/

are you literally retarded?

also look right up near the top

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Because I only get to vote once since I’m a republican, and I’m voting for trump. It’s not fair only dems get to vote multiple times.

Not true, von Mises wrote his article about the calculation problem of Socialism in 1920, when central banks were still new and weak, and long before the IMF and world bank.

What "free shit" do you think Bernie is promising?

What's your income?

In order to reduce the outrageous level of inequality that exists in America today and to rebuild the disappearing middle class, the time has come for the United States to establish an annual tax on the extreme wealth of the top 0.1 percent of U.S. households.
This wealth tax would only apply to net worth of over $32 million and would raise an estimated $4.35 trillion over the next decade. Anyone who has a net worth of less than $32 million would not see their taxes go up at all under this plan.


>He's a socialist because he wants to implement socialism. You retard.
I wasn't arguing whether or not Bernie is a socialist. I'm asking about Marxism. You seem to believe he wants to install a ML-style government. Please explain. Or you're just trolling, maybe.

Felons are part of this country, and are deeply affected by it. There's no reason for them to have no say in it just like everyone else.

Do you think Bernie is a Marxist?

Why would you wait in a bread line?

When has he advocated communism? Do you think he supports ML ideology?

What "free shit" do you think he'd be giving out?

Because he won't carry PA vs. Trump in November. Lose PA = game over.

Only Biden (currently +8 over Trump), Bloomberg (currently +2 over and a fuck-ton more money than Trump can even dream about), or .... way outside shot ... Pete (even with Trump in PA, but +6 in Michigan to Bloomberg's +2 and Biden's +4).

That's it. You want to beat Trump you need to win 3 states ... PA, MI, and WI.

Sanders, Warren, Steyer, Klobuchar are guaranteed losers to Trump in at least 1, if not 2, of those 3. Check your latest STATEWIDE, head-to-head polls if you don't believe me. Nationwide polls don't mean shit in November; it's all about winning the electoral college and that's a STATE by STATE contest.

none of those places are social they are are capital and constantly ask to not be called social

Life has been good under the Trump presidency, no amount of your Bernie bro bullshit is going to change the facts of reality friend. You're just pissy because you're not gonna get your free stuff huh?

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Trump is a con artist kike

He is connected with other corrupt kikes

He is connected with Catholics, Russian Jews and Saudi Arabia more than he is America.

Most of the Democrats and Republicans are Jews and Catholics.

We are being ran by our enemy.

Bernie represents the black sheep like Lenny Bruce, and Noam Chomsky. They saw the writing on the wall of a corrupt corporate entity using a Judeo-Christian "fuck you" machine getting out of hand.

Democrats and Republicans will regress into a fucked version of Adam Smith Capitalism Vs People pretending to be Adam Smith Capitalism

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It's not free when I'm paying for it.

Yes, there is. If someone is anti-society to the point where they are committing felony offenses, then it's not that hard to draw the inference that they may intentionally/recklessly cast their votes in such a way that allows them to engage in further anti-social behavior.

For example, drug traffickers are obviously going to vote for relaxed drug laws, even if that greatly harms society. That shouldn't be allowed. If you have the aim to hurt society, you shouldn't be allowed to vote. The right to vote is not unlimited.

>monopolies and trusts are inherently unstable
Look at Enron, they controlled the power grid and it took a whistleblower to address the corruption.

>capitalism that fosters oligarchies, but the government.
I disagree. Wallstreet folks control the government. They fund their elections and lobby for laws to regulate their markets. They lobby and spent billions to pass bill.

So your rationale is to vote for another ass clown that is also full of shit? At least Trump isn't good enough to hide his flaws so what you see is what you get.

>Life has been good under the Trump presidency
thanks Obama

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Yeah Fuck yeah! fellow Jew!

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I have greater than a double digit IQ.

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Because your vote doesn't count during a presidential election,idiot

He's a socialist. Socialists promise "free shit", college, healthcare, you name it. I don't give a fuck if you're asking about Marxism, he's a socialist and socialism leads to people starving in bread lines. Read a history book. Or don't, I really don't give a fuck.

I dont see Jane Sanders with a ski mask on robbing a college so this isn't accurate.

>something goes bad in 2017
trump did it
>something goes well in 2020
obama did it

Then why not just keep your own money and spend it how you want? Are you too stupid to know how to spend it?

When Zuckerberg testified in front of the Senate, he briefly slipped off script when talking about the new privacy standards Congress was demanding for social media. He said, sure, Facebook can comply. We're big, that's easy for us. But do you realize it's going to be much harder for new startups comply, because the costs will be much higher for them?

New regulations, trade restrictions, and so on favor the existing the companies, and keep out new competitors. It's the government helping to perpetuate monopolies.

And threats to monopolies don't come from within, they come from without. Few people imagined, 20 years ago, that Google would would come along and steal all the ad revenue from newspapers and TV. There will be a new generation of social media, or a new evolution in how people interact, that will bring down Facebook, as long as the government doesn't support them too much.

Cause I'm voting for Trump again

Agree with you.

Im from denmark and we do that here. Hospitals, doctors, education - all of that shit is free.

We give the unemployed money every month, a nice enough sum to live for.

And noone is bankrupting anyone, the living standards here are higher then almost the entire rest of the world. Especially US. No student debt either, yay. No homeless people? We got it.

So fuck you. Selfish shit.

It's the most perfect example of socialism we have. It was pure collectivization of the means of production, and it was from the period before the Soviet Union wised up and started copying the prices of the capitalist countries.

Because he's a worthless piece of communist shit

I'm over 30. How's that strawman holding up?

Cool story bro. I plan on enjoying 4 more years of the good times, you can enjoy 4 more years of being a salty bitch about it if you want.

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They won't be able to comprehend this until they own a home and pay ridiculous income tax rates. Hell even our property taxes in VT are fucking ridiculous but we need that money for the heroins nurses in the clinics that help junkies shoot up.

>HURRRR

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I am

>NPR: Neutral
my sides

the truth is the truth. can't change that

over 30 and or retarded. No one is perfect. Dont battle me, battle your place on the spectrum, snowflake

I mean, everyone should have a right to live (a roof, some water, basic food and electricity).
And every worker should have the right to enjoy life.

But how is that possible when few keep all the money, without returning the favor to the worker you had done the production ?

>Not true, von Mises wrote his article about the calculation problem of Socialism in 1920, when central banks were still new and weak, and long before the IMF and world bank.

This is the time when the major banks were organizing against the people. They caused the great depression. The banks started to unite by 1910. look up the federal reserve history and The Meeting at Jekyll Island.
A secret gathering at a secluded island off the coast of Georgia in 1910 laid the foundations for the Federal Reserve System.

federalreservehistory.org/essays/jekyll_island_conference

No, it's been proven that when you try to implement a highly authoritarian vision of communism in a preindustrialized society that you will not be able to build the proper agglomeration needed to make the transition.

Most supposedly "communist" societies are either thinly veiled capitalism or they attempted to institute the Leninist model which deviated from Marx's conception of Communism via historical materialism.

The fact of the matter is that socialist and communist ideologies are not uniform, and there are numerous different theoretical frameworks that are worth instituting, especially given the socialist policies instituted throughout Europe and especially in Scandinavia.

Socialism works most efficiently when you transition to it from a capitalist framework. Marx argued that the development of society follows a trajectory based on the real economic relations that governed production. Accordingly, he wrote more works analyzing capitalism and how unsustainable it is in the long-term, and little about how communism itself would function. He did suggest that it would probably appear very similar to capitalism, which makes the most sense. you wouldn't completely destroy the agglomeration built by capitalism, you'd simply change the framework and keep the structures built by these institutions.

>the truth hurts my butt

enjoy your coronavirus

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and that is still true today, dipshit

Over 30 yet not addressing the Sanders scandal? Hmmmm

What's the racial breakdown of Norway?

Kike-a-doodle-doo

Your golden princess is going to prison

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all black

The communism is a huge issue but I don’t think any of his ideas would actually be implemented. The real problem is he’s super old and lazy, and his mannerisms don’t inspire any sort respect or fear. Say what you want about Donald but no raghead dictator wants to piss him off right now.

Bernie isn't a Democratic socialist. He's a socialist. No one is buying your bullshit.

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They're white. Super white.

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Everyone should just to break the higher-education monopoly, i'd vote for Trump if he actually was ever going to come through on making education affordable

Not a Marxist. A dictatorship of the proletariat doesn't work. We've seen that before and it failed. Nothing wrong with control of production by the workers doing the work.

>dems get to vote multiple times.
Please explain. Also I'd like to know why you support Trump.

>That's it. You want to beat Trump you need to win 3 states ... PA, MI, and WI.
realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/general_election/
Polling higher against trump in PA and MI, and moreso than the other Dem candidates

Wrong.

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You can't talk the autism out of people.

>Blaming Trump for Coronavirus
Holy shit, you guys really are insane, defeat has made you all crazy.

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The power grid is heavily regulated by the government, which keeps out competition. It's a state supported monopoly.

The state has the power to pass and enforce laws. Companies have money, but have to operate in the legal and regulatory environment created by the government. It's an extortion scheme, and who has power, the shopkeeper being threatened with broken legs, or the cops who will break his legs?

gallery of idiots

Now only look at Norwegians in the United States compared to Norwegians in Norway

Now tell me the one about how he was going to be removed from office. I know it hasn't aged well, but I enjoy hearing it.

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The far left is so out of touch they have turned on themselves

No, it isn't "free." Someone else is paying the hidden cost. And, eventually, the point will come where someone/someones are tired of paying for things that aren't their responsibility.

That formula is NEVER sustainable for the long run. It can be sustainable very, very short-term. Get back to me on where Denmark is in 50 years and we'll see if I'm right. This experiment has been run throughout history multiple times and it only ends one way.

Money does not grow on trees. I'm not selfish -- you are. You want all these free things and are stealing from the future of society to pay for the present.

It's not about being selfish, a lot of people in Denmark are literally paying over 50% income tax while it's not the case in the US. So these social benefits are possible in Denmark, but not in the US unless income tax rises further.

>being this brain-dead
>hurr durr socialist = free shit = Marxism = breadlines

Being a democratic socialist, a socialist, and a Marxist are three very, very different things. Democratic socialists are near center, politically.

I'd also like to know how exactly you think Bernie's policies (Medicare for All, affordable public college, etc.) will lead to fucking bread lines.

>dow drops 3000 in 3 days
>fattie thinks there will be a vaccine "very soon"
>says "coronavirus will be gone very soon, as soon as it heats up!"
>"it's the dems fault durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"
>"everything's fine, the dow's great! coronavirus is no big dea!"


:) and you just lost the election

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first rule of defending socialism or communism: claim that is wasn't real socialism or communism

protip: socialism the beginning phase of communism

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No, I'm right. You're just upset because no one is falling for your bullshit. Bernie is a Socialist. Socialist Sanders is your candidate and no one wants him except the clinically insane.

No, you really can't.

The "Right" drank too much lead water and thinks Trump cares about them much less isn't a Jew.

If it means he'll take 60 billion dollars from Bezo's (only half of his total wealth) and redistributes it so that I can afford to go to the doctor sign me up comrade.

Kill all rich. Hang them from the highest tree.

God I wish Bernie was an actual socialist that'd be so cool

Lmao. Waste of time. Trump wins again.

Just give everyone free tuition to Burlington College!!

I think his socialist policies will lead to socialism and the socialism will lead to fucking breadlines. His entire platform is a socialist platform. He couldn't get anymore socialist if he tattooed it on his ass and let someone butt fuck him on stage.

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Don't try to fuck around and pretend Obama gave the US low unemployment. There was a financial crisis in 2008 that absolutely fucked the unemployment rate, and Obama had only returned it to George Bush levels by the end of his 8 years.

I'm familiar with that history, you should have mentioned the Bundesbank and the Bank of England, which predate the Fed and on which the Fed was based.

But you're claiming that all criticism of socialism was done under the shadow of the central banks, the world bank, and the IMF all existed. That's false, von Mises wrote before all that became established. Also, he's the guy who came up with the Austrian business cycle, which a strong repudiation of the very concept of the central banks. Given your dislike of the Fed, you really should give von Mises a read.

Because reducing military budget will be the end of US. We need to keep china under control and project our power and we need the middle east under control. Everyone knows this thats why they're not going to vote him, but they will pretend they did

Yummy yummy billionaires

Wrong and fake news

Healthcare and education to succeed are human rights. Nobody should have to suffer as a result of economic factors out of their control. 50 years ago many colleges and universities were essentially free.

Just 30 years ago, tuition and fees at a public, four-year university totaled$3,360per year in today’s dollars. That same degree today costs more than$10,000per year in tuition and fees and more than $21,000 per year including room and board. Meanwhile, median hourly wages for college graduates have risen by less than $1 since 2001, when adjusted for inflation. The promise of higher pay has not materialized for recent college graduates, who have been taking out more and more in student loans to keep up with the skyrocketing cost of tuition. This has led to a generation of young people unable to start families, buy homes, and follow their dreams.
We have failed a generation of our young people. What Bernie believes is that the American people deserve freedom – true freedom. You are not truly free when you graduate college with hundreds of thousands of dollars in student debt. You are not truly free when you cannot pursue your dream of becoming a teacher, environmentalist, journalist or nurse because you cannot make enough money to cover your monthly student loan payments. And you are not truly free when the vast majority of good-paying jobs require a degree that requires taking out tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt to obtain.

Why Trump?

Please explain.

What's wrong with a bread line, people are getting bread...

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>and the socialism will lead to fucking breadlines

If it means Bill Gates will need to wait in the same line sign me up.

I don't fucking care anymore. Something needs to change, the rich is devouring all. Sitting on their gold in their dens.

Slay all dragons who sit on their wealth while we can barely get by.

FOUND THE FELLOW JEW

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You are a bug person wearing a human disguise

What're you going to do when Trump wins again? How will you cope with it? You gonna come on here and post about how you were wrong? Or are you gonna finger your butthole and cry yourself to sleep? I think we both know you'll end up just being a faggot.

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You're not explaining yourself though. You can't just say "socialism -> ??? -> bread lines."

If you're gonna call Bernie's policies "socialism," then fine. Which of Bernie's policies is gonna lead to a breadline, and how?

Because I'm voting for President Trump.

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What bread line?

Please explain your decision.

If you think that’s how it will work you need to crack a book or two

I think you do. Start with the french revolution.

Nice photoshop

He has good posture and isn't a jew cum gargling faggot. He also doesn't pay to post here

I have. I think he tends to gloss over the imperfections and irregularities of the market, but his theories are logical and seem to accurately predict business cycles, which is more than can be said about Keynes.

why does this say "97% of the 100" instead of "97 of the 100"? When operating from a base of 100, the % sign adds nothing. Learn to math, fucker.

Can't wait for Bernie to save you money on your insurance bill

Even if thats true whats wrong with that he didn't force them Epstein did.

Sorry child but you will have to earn your own keep. Thi

>The power grid is heavily regulated by the government, which keeps out competition. It's a state supported monopoly.
now its heavily regulated after that incident.

>The state has the power to pass and enforce laws.
These company guys legislators
>Companies have money, but have to operate in the legal and regulatory environment created by the government.
Money can buy people to look the other way and keep quiet, specially when market scarcity is created.

>If it means Bill Gates will need to wait in the same [bread]line sign me up.
You read it here: Socialism is the appeal to jealousy.

America will never be a socialist country.

You don't have to wish, he is an actual socialist.
I'm not wrong, you and I both know socialism isn't popular in America so you'd rather lie to everyone so you can attempt to get your socialist into office. It's not going to happen.
>tear everyone down because my art degree didn't get me a good paying job
>b8 the post

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I fear for America if Bernie wins. We're the next UK if that happens...

The working class and the employing class have nothing in common. There can be no peace so long as hunger and want are found among millions of the working people and the few, who make up the employing class, have all the good things of life.

Between these two classes a struggle must go on until the workers of
the world organise as a class, take possession of the means of production, abolish the wage system, and live in harmony with the earth.

We find that the centering of the management of industries into fewer and fewer hands makes the trade unions unable to cope with the ever-growing power of the employing class. The trade unions foster a state of affairs which allows one set of workers to be pitted against another set of workers in the same industry, thereby helping defeat one another in wage wars. Moreover, the trade unions aid the employing class to mis-lead the workers into the belief that the working class have interests in
common with their employers. These conditions can be changed and the interest of the working class upheld only by an organization formed in such a way that all its members in any one industry, or in all industries if necessary, cease work whenever a strike or lockout is on in any department thereof, thus making an injury to one an injury to all.

Instead of the conservative motto, ‘’A fair day’s wage for a fair day’s work,” we must inscribe on our banner the revolutionary watchword, ‘’Abolition of the wage system.”

It is the historic mission of the working class to do away with capitalism. The army of production must be organised, not only for everyday struggle with capitalists, but also to carry on production when capitalism shall have been overthrown. By organizing industrially we are forming the structure of the new society within the shell of the old.

>he is an actual socialist.
Proof?

Denmark's economy is slowly depleting. So yes, it will s bankrupting and ruining your country.

because he's a commie
duh

Because I don't vote against myself.

Same reasons im not voting for trump.

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Lets just start with free college and free healthcare for all, including illegal immigrants. Dumb nigger has no idea how he's going to pay for it and the only way to, is going to be taxing the living fuck out of everyone.
If the government is taking all of your money in taxes, yo can't buy food, and you end up in a bread line.
Google "socialism" you dumb fuck and just don't stop reading for a while.

1. I'm not American.
2. Even if I were, he's an insane elderly crypto communist. No fucking way.

*It is.

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Government is corrupt. Let's make sure only government has guns, give access to education, gives access to medical care. People wanting to make government bigger are mentally handicapped and morally corrupt

Maxwell (Mossad), Epstein and Trump are all Jews that preyed on mostly European and "White" American girls under 17

Your response is of that of an unapologetic Jew defending other Jews, or as a half ass troll with a narrative that is over 2 years old.

Which is it?

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Absolutely. I'm absolutely jealous that these rich mother fuckers constantly change policy so that their wealth grows to an absurd number that even their grandchildren's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's child will never have to work a day in their life.

Life should not be designed in such a way. Their contribution to the world will not have an affect that echos hundreds of years forward so they should not reap benefits so far reaching while good hard-working people who are doing enough to impact the now can't even afford to live in the now.

KILL ALL RICH. Anyone with over 500 million net worth should be culled and their wealth should be immediately redistributed to free college, healthcare and affordable wages.

DRAG THEM IN THE STREETS.

>He has good posture
lol

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In comparison to what? Denmark economy is still strong.

Him being a socialist is proof of him being a socialist. It's like asking what proof I have that a duck is a duck. God you Bernie faggots are desperate.
Just listen to his last little rally speech, a perfect "free shit" sermon.

Proof?

Ancap?
Why do you support capitalism?

I'll ignore that your human rights require slavery.

But let's talk about the rise of tuition at universities. There's an almost perfect 1:1 correlation between that rise, and the rise in federal funding via things like Pell Grants. In other words, the universities realized that students were getting more money from the government, and raised their prices in lockstep.

And none of that money went to better educational outcomes. A lot went to trying to comply with new government regulations. A lot went to a new wave of educator/bureaucrats, who came up with even more regulations to justify their jobs. A lot went to things like fancy houses for deans. And a lot went to new rec centers, hideously expensive dorms, and the like.

What are you on about? Those girls were probably hot as fuck
youre projecting or on the weed

this
> Socialists promise "free shit"
for the masses ...
but where do the resources for the "free shit" come from? you either generate wealth or you take it from someone who has it. notably, Bernie hasn't seen the math that says his plans are 30 TRILLION short of the 60 Trillion $ he needs for all his promised "free shit". THERE ISN"T THAT MUCH WEALTH TO TAKE the "RICH".

Socialists never realize this until the people rise up against them after years/generations of bread lines, shortages and general shitty life and bring back a free, democratic, capitalist economy. Let's skip the need for that part, and just stay free capitalists, mmm k?

my voting rights haven't been restored yet

>the left doesn't care about handicapped people

>>tear everyone down because my art degree didn't get me a good paying job

It's to a point that 75% of all ENGINEERING degrees CANNOT FIND IN THEIR CHOSEN FIELD.

Your deflection to a false point of contention NO LONGER WORKS.

And it was heavily regulated, before.

That's like saying the small shopkeeper who's legs will be broken if he doesn't comply is "buying" the corrupt cops who will break his legs.

>Him being a socialist is proof of him being a socialist

Im not a dem btw but nice ad hom

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During the Obama administration I was unemployed half the time. When employed the wages were so low it made sense for me to retire and draw social security.
Both of my sons were near totally unemployed, now one of them has a union job and the bum at least works more than half the year.

leaning over.... about to get assfucked by the jews

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I think bitcoin marxism should be a thing.

(You)

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If you can't find a job in this economy, you're just a fuck-up, sorry friend.

most republicans are retarded. so no.

americans are too dumb to understand what democratic socialism is. they read "socialism" and draw their "it doesnt work!" cards as if they know what the fuck they are talking about. Their brains are fried from all the burgerfat, so they only can think in the dichotomies and binaries. We are way past Idiocracy.

Socialism is all around you, retard. Capitalism provides the cars, socialism provides the roads. The guarantee of primary needs and a decent life in dignity is all that this man wants for his fellow citizens, and for that he wants to cut military spending and tax the rich.

Trickle down economy doesnt work.
Weak government oversight doesnt work.
The market doesnt provide a safety net, the government does.

This would make sense until you realize is like $10,000 and it’s for you to grow a certain crop or not grow something so the market doesn’t crash. I.e too much corn drives the cost of ethanol down to a point where it costs more to transport than it sells for

Yeah, see what happens, check 1950s China where hundreds of thousands of Mainland Chinese fled to Hong Kong and brought capital and technology there.

Don't try and advocate this type of bullshit here, and read a history book before you make a fool out of yourself.

If you're going to start a reign of terror, your target should be the politicians

Just to skip extra steps

timesofisrael.com/10-jews-in-forbes-top-50-billionaires/

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Imagine a very old Cred Forumstard
Now imagine he's running for President
Now imagine he gives the same Cred Forumstard conspiracy speech wherever he goes but he replaces the word "Jew" with "billionaire"
that's Bernard Sanders

>It's to a point that 75% of all ENGINEERING degrees CANNOT FIND IN THEIR CHOSEN FIELD.
[citation needed]

US taxes overseas unless you forfeit your citizenship retarded ass faggot

I believe trade without interference is the most beneficial for all parties, however i believe for it to work, your cyrrency must be backed by a physical commodity such as gold. Competition is good for the economy and will lead to better prices. Take healthcare, the proces arent so high because of what shit costs, theyre so high because hospitals and doctors know what insurance companies will pay. If they were more agressively competing with eachother to get money from patients not insurance, prices would be lowered.

Call you desperate isn't an ad hominem, it's factually correct. This entire thread is a testament to that. I don't care if you're a democrat or not, I said "you Bernie faggots", learn to read.

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kek
yeah, no, that's trump. in no timeline ever is that a moderate or liberal.

None of that's socialism, and trickle down economics doesn't exist.

KILL ALL RICH.

Seethe harder, libtard

I'm not vegan.

Don't get too stuck in the labels. Just because you shift the labels to different definitions doesn't bolster your argument.

Here's the bottom line: if the people consent (theoretically, anyway) to departing with some of their wealth for MUTUAL benefit (services, roads, etc.), and it is done in an efficient, non-corrupted manner, that can be sustainable.

Stealing wealth from some to pay for others, whether it's in the form of benefitting corporations (corporate socialism), or whether it is paying for persons who do not contribute to the formula, is NOT sustainable.

Bernie is a big believer in the last of those, which is EXTREMELY problematic. He even says things like people are "entitled to' or "deserve" health care or college. No one should be. Everyone has to pay their fair share.

>Anyone with over 500 million net worth should be culled and their wealth should be immediately redistributed to free college, healthcare and affordable wages.

Hey smartass, maybe check what I was referring to

Satan has spoken, and thus it is so

Not sure where you're getting slavery from.

College should be guaranteed for all, just as K-12 is.

Im not tho so its ad hom and you're sounding quite retarded
I would never vote for someone who wants to reduce the military budget

Politicians are rich

No, I know what democratic socialism is. Bernie is not one, because he is a socialist.
Go ahead moron, tell me about all the virtues of China and Cuba. Oh! Tell me about the literacy rates! Bernie is all about that.

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Look up negative vs. positive human rights. One is something you're forbidden from doing, the other uses the full coercive power of the state to force other people to do something for you.

If you're not, then I'm not talking to you or about you then am I? The actual fuck is wrong with you? Did your mom throw you against the wall when you were a kid?

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>defends socialism using a country with vast oil reserves that are used to fund everything
kek

Because if this old kike does not die of another fucking heat attack in the next few months, then he will defiantly get fucked by the Corona virus. Dude has less than a year to live.

/thread

jfc your're mentally handicapped?
goverment would lose power if they do that
thats why i said that earlier
you think that redistributing wealth is smart? do you think amazon microsoft apple stock would be worth 300 billion if you kill rich ppl? i hope you get killed poorfag

Corona is a fucking meme you retarded brainlet.

How is providing a divident tax for the handling of public goods "stealing"? How is hording billions not stealing from the public? How is putting a transaction tax on Amazon purchases to generate billions in new revenue, in order to lower the price for public education and medicare? How is taxing the larger corporations and digital products to reasonable degree "stealing"? How is relocating of public funds like military into the core of society and taking care of its weakest parts "stealing"? It is not about labels, it is about rethinking the systemic shackles coporate capitalism has put on true progressivism.

This vote is a referendum against the extremely rich. They have been stealing from the public and damaging american democracy for decades.

because i am not utterly ignorant of world history

goddamn you are fucking stupid.

Are you kidding? Medicare for all is FOR ALL. Free college for all is FOR ALL. Everyone pays and everyone gets to use it, even the rich. And the average family will pay significantly less than they pay now. Listen to what Bernie actually says for once instead listening to spin-fueled propaganda.

your spelling is a good as your logic

>If you're not, then I'm not talking to you or about you then am I?
So you only argue against ppl not facts
Can u say anything thats not ad hom
>he is an actual socialist.
proof? I just contested this and you seemed to lose your footing quite rapidly. Its still early for college user, dont waste it, cause right now you're pretty retarded

Because I work for a living.

Can you fucking Russian shills just post pussy pics instead?

Ever heard of the United States?

>i-i-its the russians!
Its the americans that shitpost for free pal, dont buy the scapegoat meme.

Something like healthcare shouldn't be something you pay for outside of taxes. Your contribution to society, based upon your ability, should guarantee your well-being. Your well-being should not be in the hands of capitalism.

Me neither. And neither is Bernard.

Not ignorant of what specifically?

"Hoarding billions?" You have a lot of nerve to imply that a person is limited in how successful they are allowed to be, and that's a very dangerous road to go down. Do we really want a society where we say that if a person meets their goals/is highly ambitious, that we're just going to take away the fruits of their labor anyway?

Taxing Amazon to an extent makes sense, because they USE a lot of the services necessarily to make the business flow. HOWEVER, taxing just because YOU feel jealous that another person or entity is successful is WRONG.

Come up with your own business idea rather than just saying someone else is too successful and therefore you are entitled to their success.

cause i’m not an immature retard

Its youre stupid

explain me how my logic is flawed, genius. English is not my native language yet I am sure I am still better at it than you, americunt.

fpbp

Needing some jew to save you from yourself in hope of having your hourly wage bumped to 15 an hour.

Not comparable.

>Taxing Amazon to an extent makes sense, because they USE a lot of the services necessarily to make the business flow. HOWEVER, taxing just because YOU feel jealous that another person or entity is successful is WRONG.
Worse thing is all the big companies get taxed heavily but since they have several subsidiaries because of state laws and obviously, profitability and ROI, their taxes don't reflect the parent company. But libs want to destroy the companies that make america the greatest country in the world

its they're stoopid

>You have a lot of nerve to imply that a person is limited in how successful they are allowed to be, and that's a very dangerous road to go down.

Not when its to the detriment to the society that they are living in.

Do you have an actual idea about how much a "billion" is? A billion dollar is one thousand million dollars. And there are people out there who have hundreds of hundred million dollars to their disposal.

This is not a ideological question. It is common sense to assume that the location of these ressources in that matter is absolute insanity, when you have millions of people suffocating in debt.

Remember: They, the rich, have not generated their income on their own. This money is provided to them via a broken system.

The top 1% pay 40% of the tax revenue collected in income taxes. They are definitely paying into society.

“Human Action” is the most important treatise on society ever written

Because he thinks Castro was a great man and his followers think gulags are actually pretty cool.

I dunno, you sure seem like one.

If i believed the givernment was remotely competent enough to run such a system id consider it, but until were not 23 trillion dollars in debt i think it has to be off the table.

What a dumbass statement. Are you really going to argue that Amazon is a detriment to society? Do you even realize how stupid that sounds?

Not an argument

>voting for him
I will vote for bernis in my primary.
I will vote trump in the general.

To the extent corporate socialism exists (and there is a mismatch in incentives), then I find that argument to have some merit. However, coming up with a broad brush solution that we need to steal from the rich to pay for the poor is a dangerous argument.

Often times, even if it's not a 1:1 correlation, there is a reason why the wealthy got that money in the first place. It's because they contributed something to society.

Not just that, these big companies can make use of tax havens overseas to completely avoid paying taxes to the United States

>realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/general_election/

Uh, you better take a deep look into the Allentown Morning Call's polling in PA. It was ONLY 424 registered voters, not LIKELY voters, and weighted to suburban ares ... resulting +/- 5.5% margin of error at the 95% confidence level.

Properly factor in the 11 POINT swing ... and you can make no conclusions. And that poll ended 2-20, before the last debate.

Now, go find the polls of over 1,000 people that survey *LIKELY* voters across the state, especially in former coal country (SW & NE PA). My 80's something grandmother is registered, and happy to talk on the phone all day to anyone. But she hasn't voted since 2008, and likely won't, 'cause old and sickly. See why that matters?

Add in NE PA has been experiencing a large influx of Latino's from the NYC area for the past decade. Legals, but regardless, guess whose message resonates there ... brown people coming and you have no job. A has nothing to do with B but this is how Trump won a traditionally (D) state in 2016.

Fast forward to now ... Bernie's socialist message doesn't sell there - too many old, war vets. Sorry.

The polls of 1000 or more LV show only Biden outside their margins in PA ... since at least December. It's trending that way this week as well.

I'm less well versed in MI polling (being originally from PA) but similarly MI has only Biden and Pete. Warren and Bernie loose both, but w/in the margin ... so call it a draw.

I'm watching VERY carefully since I vote (in VA on Super Tuesday). I'm voting for whoever is polling best in PA & MI by then ... because MATH.

You can argue all the socialist/Bernie plans/policy BLAH BLAH you want but NOTHING CHANGES ... NOT ONE BIT ... (say even address student loan repayments ... or don't cut food programs ... etc) ... if you can't win PA, MI, and WI.

I have a preference, but that's irrelevant. Trump must loose for anything to change.

The Trump train has no brakes. +1.

>The top 1% pay 40% of the tax revenue collected in income taxes. They are definitely paying into society.

Not when it's being funneled into organizations and war efforts that directly improve their bottom-line.

If 95% of your tax revenue is being funneled into various subsidies and then you get 150% more than what you put in by using those subsidies then you have effectively put in -20% of your tax revenue into the country. That's not even if you account for hiding your assets so you can do this kind of numbers playing bullshit.

The panama papers were a huge deal for a reason.

Subsidies are a tax smokescreen 99% of the time.

Just to address one small part of your rant: Those billions don't belong to the public, so you've got it backwards, it's the public officials who are the thieves. And that money isn't hoarded, it's invested. The capital is used to create capital goods and increase productivity of workers, thereby increasing their value and wages, the goods and wages become cheaper, and the economy grows.

He's kind of old to be honest

How many fortune 500 companies do you know looking for a CEO his age?

That fucking meat eating shit! I thought he wanted a better world, not more of the same animal killing crap. Fuck "Bernard". Bloomberg/Clinton 2020!

Bernie Sanders is a jew

Yep, this guy understands.

Why do you hate the military?

FUCK YOU

Neither was yours.

No. You actually don't.

Fuck you and your anti military bullshit.

>has heart attack

>Trump must loose
>Warren and Bernie loose
Yes Vlad, you're right.

>If 95% of your tax revenue is being funneled into various subsidies ...
it's not

cbo.gov/publication/55342

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They don't care about anyone. They hate everyone and themselves. They call everyone Nazis because they are the party of death. Abortion, euthanasia/ mercy killing, demanding human extinction to save the planet, etc.

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Just a heads up, you're being trolled. A lot of states lock you out of that move. If you vote for a party in the primary you cannot vote on the opposing party's ticket in the general election.

Danish households have the highest amount of debt on earth at 115% of GDP. In other words you are hood rich niggers with maxed out credit cards and a mini crisis away from blowing up

Don't forget the $240+ trillion fiscal gap. The federal government doesn't include promised future expenditures, like social security or medicare payments, in the debt. Which would be illegal for a company, of course.

This counters my point how exactly?

He may be a Jew but he talks mad shit about Israel. A jew is not necessarily a kike.

I'll take your point though. But you also have to admit that Trump is more of a kike cock gobbler than GWB could even dream

he's a communist, and he hates america.

Shut up libtard

If he wins Ima do something that give the media more ammo to use against white males

>and the economy grows

For the rich.

What part of this aren't you understanding you retarded faggot.

Please explain how he is a communist, lol.

Sweden's social welfare programs really kicked off in the 1950s and reached high levels in 1970s.

Hmm, what happened to the upward curve?

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Norway is tiny and pathetic petro state with a smaller population than Atlanta. Norwegians should be the richest people
on earth instead they get fucked in the ass by their socialst government that taxes them to death and hogs all their cash in the world’s largest sovereign wealth fund instead of letting norwegians be rich and build their own wealth.

You made the absolutely retarded claim that 95% of taxes goes to corporate subsides, which an actual breakdown of the budget proves is complete nonsense.

In my state, you are not forced to vote for someone you donot want.

You are, without a doubt, thinking blue states. They are all about control.

The majority of states will let you vote for your choice. You know, kinda like a free election.

Except we don't have "Unfettered Capitalism" in the US. We have hundreds of thousands of rules and regulations and powerful agencies like the SEC and IRS implementing whatever policies are favored by the government and not the free market.

Because I actually know him, and he is an asshole. You guys don't have any idea what you're doing.

>It's to a point that 75% of all ENGINEERING degrees CANNOT FIND IN THEIR CHOSEN FIELD.
>[citation needed]

stats like this (true or not) are stupid.
kids choose majors where the market is lagging.
exactly how many aerospace engineering jobs do you think there are? let's see ... how many rocket engine companies? ... what?, we up to a dozen in the US now? ... major aircraft manufacturers? uh, one. yeah, you can add the smaller guys, Textron, Bombardier (technically Canadian), etc ... that whole total is far few than US universities are churning out in the engineering schools.

So OF COURSE people aren't working in "their chosen field" ... but what does that mean? You get an aerospace degree and the problem solving and skills you learn apply to so many other fields. Lots of aerospace guys working for Microsoft ... IBM ... Alphabet ... not exactly designing the next moon rocket, lunar lander or the 797, but damn good jobs.

Remember kids, statistics are often a pile someone's favorite shit, misused to make their shit seem better than your shit ... but you both are still full of shit.

Literally everything you wrote. Nothing makes the slightest bit of sense, and your responses are completely irrational.

Not really. Sure they "break it up." So it doesn't appear so.

If my company gets taxed 144 millions dollars and it gets divided up into whatever and then I take a subsidy to open 10 new stores for 250 million I have effectively taken far more money than I have contributed.

I'm not so easily swayed by policy number juggling, I work in a government office.

The "unfettered capitalism" claim is always hilarious.