What are the eternal truths?

What are the eternal truths?

What things are true for everyone, regardless of age, sex, race, wealth, etc?

I'll start:
1) You will die
2) You will at some point experience pain, just as you will at some point experience comfort

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3) OP is a faggot

4) traps are gay

Your mom sucks a mean dick.

4) white women love big black cock

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death is an illusion of the feeble minded user. the body does not bring forth life, LIFE brings forth body. All material is ILLUSION life is eternal

That may be true today, but was not true yesterday

You will probably die, but you dont have to.
You are not your body, you are the information contained in your body.

The body is what breaks, not the information. If you could separate the information from the media you would not 'die' when your media failed to work correctly.

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Not sure I understand. We can find living things that have died all around us. We also know that bacteria divide, reptiles lay eggs, and mammals give birth - living bodies bring forth life.

Perhaps you want to share your definition of death and life with us

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Also the three laws of thermodynamics:

1. You can't win.
2. You can't tie.
3. You can't get out of the game

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We're born, we live, we die.
The rest you have to add yourself.

Can you phrase this as an eternal truth? (i.e. "It is an eternal truth for everyone everywhere that their body dies, but the information of the mind may not die")

Given that no one in history can separate the information from the body, doesn't this mean your postulated truth is indeed incorrect?

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OP is a faggot
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5) ur mum gey

Ok niggerjew

Were you here yesterday? Massive faggotry in most of the threads.

What you don't know about thermodynamics would fill textbooks.

Clearly thee are people who think they can win, and even some people who think they are winning right now (otherwise casinos and the stock market would not exist).

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Based. Ur on a higher level. Most cannot and or will not understand.

This may be true (debatable) here on Cred Forums. But it is not true for people who do not view Cred Forums.

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>posting on Cred Forums nevertheless

Yep, faggotry detected today.

Why don't you tell me about what i don't know about thermodynamics. Maybe one or two examples.

Because casino's aren't one of these examples.

The mandate is to find things that are true for everyone everywhere. Whatever faggotry you are finding does not exist for those who do not view Cred Forums

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This is a thread about eternal truths. If you want to discuss what you know about thermodynamics, you should create a thread for that topic.

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No, it means that no one in history has separated information from the body.

Just because something has always been this way in the past does not imply it will always be this way in the future.

For example in 4B years the earth will find itself inside the sun, spiral in due to friction and disappear. This hasn't happened before, but without outside intervention will happen in the future.

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Ok, i will take this as "i dont know anything about thermodynamics, but enjoy the live action role play of pretending that i do"

Got it.

Take it whatever way pleases you

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>5) ur mum gey
6) i'm a sex machine

Already have.

While it is true that the earth will spiral into the sun at some future time, that has not happened for any human alive today or at any time in the past. So that is not a truth for anyone living or having lived.

Similarly, as you say, no one has ever separated the body from the information in the mind, therefore it cannot be determined whether or not the information lives on when the body dies.

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Sry, user: I can tell you that is not true for me.

>You will die
I don't know that I will die. I only expect that I should.

>You can't win
>You can't tie
>You can't get out of the game
You can't win, but you can't tie, but you can't lose.

Wait.

Holy shit!
You...

Ok, honestly it was my fault to assume that you have the same definition in your head about what eternal truth means compared to... you know... people who actually know what it means.

You think that an 'eternal truth' is something that has to have happened in the past?

You obviously
1. Are misinformed about the definition of what an eternal truth is.

2. Probably need to go and do some more learnin' yourself before wasting people's time here

3. are 13


Do you imagine the fact the sun consumes fuel to 'burn' and that this fuel will eventually run out is 'not an eternal truth' because the sun has not run out in the past?

...

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no genius

1. you can't win :
the entropy of any isolated system always increases

2. you can't tie:
the entropy of a system approaches a constant value as the temperature approaches absolute zero

3. you can't get out of the game
energy cannot be created or destroyed in an isolated system

not "you can't lose" ... genius. "you can't quit". read harder.

you have to lose. because you can't tie and you can't win

Truth is money can buy happiness.

I am defining "eternal truth" to mean something that is true for everyone everywhere regardless of their individual circumstances (see original post)

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So, you can't win. Because the entropy of an isolated system always increases. Forget the fact that local entropy can be reversed.

You can't tie, because the entropy of a system approaches a constant, inevitable value as its temperature approaches absolute zero. Not considering a number of other factors.

And you can't get out of the game, because you can neither create nor destroy energy in an isolated system. Ignoring the idea that you can't actively fail to fail, because doing so is a fundamental impossibility in the given system.

You can't lose, Einstein. You can't destroy yourself.

I suggest that is not true for everyone everywhere. certainly people exist on earth before money did, and just as certainly, some of those people enjoyed moments of happiness. And today we know many rich people who are horribly unhappy

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Ok. Fusion in the sun is true for everyone everywhere (on earth) regardless of circumstances.

Fusion in the sun consumes hydrogen. For everyone regardless of circumstances

When too much helium is present in the sun it will expand and consume the earth, with everyone on it regardless of circumstances.

(This presumes that humanity doesn't... you know. get off planet, start being no longer human, or go extinct in the next 4 billion years. One of these 3 is guaranteed. Oh that's a universal truth also apparently)

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Local entropy can be reversed temporarily. The universe is a closed system (as far as we know). Eventually what you borrow 'from the outside' will come due.

"Not considering other factors that i wont say... ok... good argument"

"no.. what... fail by what definition?"

How can i not destroy myself? Well let's see.. if your information is lost you are destroyed. Seems that you can destroy yourself pretty well.

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I agree with you which is why I wrote can buy not does buy.

>Local entropy can be reversed temporarily
As far as we know.

>"Not considering other factors that i wont say... ok... good argument"
Was this not started with talk of entropy? Have you not just now clarified that the universe is also a closed system? I commented on statements about entropy that were anything but explicit, with something equally implicit. And in doing so, the assumption was that I had 0 concept of entropy. Or that I somehow failed to understand what I had said, or what was said, alone.

That's clearly not the case for every extant being except for yourself. Do I really need to tell you what you likely already know I'm implying? You seem to be the sole progenitor of this information. Well, let's think about it. What would the other factors be? The universe is a closed system, as far as we know... oh, wait. It's like that was something you most certainly chose not to acknowledge when it served an ulterior purpose.

Come on, now.

>"no.. what... fail by what definition?"
You can't quit. You can't quit the game. You can't get up and leave, you can't flip the table, you can't exit. You can't "win", the same way in which you can't "tie", the same way in which you can't "lose". You don't get to delete yourself from the isolated system. You can't.

You can't destroy yourself. That information is made up of energy that can neither be created nor destroyed. Don't play that game with me, user. You know what I mean by fail. You know what I mean by destroy, and by self. You have remained consistent with the word "entropy", and the concept of neither creating nor destroying energy.

You cannot destroy the information. You can ruin the identity, but you can't actually delete the medium. Scrambled bits are still extant things that, while no longer coherent, can still be interpreted. Recognized. Interacted with. You can't extricate that from an isolated system. You can't violate thermodynamics in that case.

And so help me God, if you argue that the identity is what I'm really referring to, that it's what's really important, and that you can destroy yourself, then you will be telling me that you can quit. You will be telling me that you can win, and that what you just argued about thermodynamics is void.

Don't Panic

Sigh... ok. let's try this again but slower.

You claim that "You can't destroy yourself. "
You cannot destroy the information.

Yes. Yes you can. In fact you not only can but you cannot avoid having the information being destroyed eventually when the system returns to its lowest energy state.

Information is in a high state of order by definition.

That is, in fact, what the laws of thermodynamics REQUIRE.

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death. nothing else is a certainty

Question everything.

Observe yourself.

Discard preconceptions and prior notions.

Small moves – deliberate ones. Pragmatic minimalism. Step outside limits, labels, constructs. Breathe softly and with purpose. Focus on the Now. Fully engaged mindful awareness. Know there exist no boundaries except for those imposed by the self – the ego – the ghost in the shell, being behind the curtain. Pay careful attention to the motivations driving every thought, every impulse, desire. Figure out when you are following a narrative synthesized and conjured by and for a former self.

The self exists only in discrete moments trapped in time. Time is a construction, useful for carrying memory. With memory comes a gravity, or density, or mass of belief, of a preconceived idea of who it is we feel we are supposed to be.

We condition ourselves through time and memory, which restricts us from fully appreciating the present moment, which is all we truly have. Often we act without careful consideration as to why it is we feel the need to carry out our actions. It is typical for us to move, speak, and act without first observing the drive or purpose fueling things.

We attempt to portray an idea, to project into reality who and what it is we think we should be, based on all of our interactions with the world around us. It is common to attempt to impress upon others a construction of depiction or representation of the character we have always believed ourselves to be.

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>Yes you can
Then I can summarily destroy energy in the process, and reverse entropy in an isolated system. Congratulations, let me just, literally, remove all of the particles that make up my current physical being from the system.

Just like that.

>In fact you not only can but you cannot avoid having the information being destroyed eventually when the system returns to its lowest energy state
Then you can win, because the entropy of any isolated system always increases until this point at which, allegedly, all information is destroyed when the system globally goes to ground.

However.
>Information is in a high state of order
The higher the entropy, the greater the disorder. The greater the disorder, the greater the uncertainty. The greater the uncertainty, the more information it contains. A universe of absolute zero would contain near absolute certainty, if not absolute certainty. That is why it would contain little information. But information would not be destroyed, or else you wouldn't have a universe to begin with. Energy is still there in that silent, hypothetical void of physically-as--frozen-as-possible soup.

You can't destroy yourself. You can't, cannot, destroy the information. It's there, as physically frozen as it will ever physically be allowed to freeze. And that's saying nothing about what could, not would, happen when a system ever reached that point.

You are now arguing against the very idea that you
>can't win
even though you have abandoned the tangent involving the identity of being. Why?

> Then I can summarily destroy energy in the process

No, you just dont understand that energy is not the same thing as information.

You can take a cubic light year of space with a USB stick of information floating in it.

You can take this usb stick, disintegrate it over this cubic light year of space, spread energy through out it evenly so that it is 'just slightly warm' .

Now you have no information, and no energy with which to do work.

Oddly enough you have not 'destroyed energy' just rearranged it.

The fact that you keep arguing that information is not destroyed is at this point amusing. Take a drive, snap it in half, come back and tell me about how the information cannot be destroyed.
This system has neither information

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>you just dont understand that energy is not the same thing as information
Why then, is information tied to entropy? Why can I depict physical information? What do you think I'm referring to? If I even utter the phrase "microstates", what goes through your mind?

Nothing?

>You can take this usb stick
>disintegrate it over this cubic light year of space
>spread energy through out it evenly so that it is 'just slightly warm'
It's "just slightly warm". It has a state. At least 1 state. That's information.

And yes, yes. Yes, you have not destroyed energy. When did I ever give the impression that your example would entail that? I've been bemoaning the opposite. It wouldn't. It never would. That's not what's being done- clearly. You even demonstrated that of your own accord.

>The fact that you keep arguing that information is not destroyed is at this point amusing
Did you obliterate what remains of the USB, instead of disseminating it evenly through a cubic volume of space?
>Take a drive
>snap it in half
Stop.

>>Stop.

Lol. Yes "stop" is the wittiest retort.

>>It's "just slightly warm". It has a state.

Yes, it has a state, just not information or workable energy.

If "You" specifically are information (though slightly less than a normal person, apparently) then when "you" are spread over that cubic lightyear "you" are gone.

The information that makes you you.. . no matter what state it was in... digital, biological, quantum... is gone.

Any ability to do work is gone.

The game is lost.

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>Lol
I said "stop", because you're being coy with the example of the drive. You know you are. I don't even know why you're still doing this, than to be difficult. The example of the drive drives my point home. Do you know what I would do if someone snapped a hard disk drive in half? Forensics, and I would retrieve the data that wasn't turned into powder. But even that powder still contains information, let alone the specific information that applies to the specific purpose of the drive.

But there's no current, practical way that I'm going to go retrieve particles of the drive from some random environment, barring divine intervention or incredible technology and patience. So I'm not going to get all of the information. It hasn't stopped existing regardless.

>just not information or workable energy
Information = state. There is exactly a lone, single microstate if the system is no longer doing work, being "just slightly warm". Information.

>If "You"
There's a difference between my thoughts, and the physical matter I'm made of. When you mentioned entropy, I, again, did not think you would pivot so dearly towards the philosophical take on information. Because I clearly wasn't referring to my sense of self when I talked about removing my particles from the isolated system, in an effort to "beat entropy" or to fail at not being able to violate the case of entropy invariably increasing, globally.

Why in the world would you be asking about what makes me myself, while trying to insist upon principles of entropy. The philosophical identity isn't the focus, you disingenuous slug.

You're retarded if you can't see what he means, you're just trying to tack on some superficial spirit meaning to his definition

>> philosophical identity isn't the focus, you disingenuous slug.

My disingenuousness and 'pivoting' appears to you that way on the surface because of lack of education and inability to follow a simple train of thought.

For the sake of comedy I will try again.

1. Basic truths
2. Thermodynamics
3. you claim i don't understand thermodynamics, and show that you can't read by saying that i claimed that 'you can't lose'
4. i attempt to explain that 'you have to lose' which implies both thermodynamics and 'you'
5. you start breathing heavily and claiming that this entropy can be reversed and that you can't destroy yourself 'which means you' which means identity
6. then when i explain that entropy necessitates that you can't win, you forgot what was the discussion and start claiming 'unfairness of argument'

so. one last time for the kids in the back.

A system (universe) that is at its lowest energy state has no information in it in the sense that you imagine information to be.

randomness can be very complex but has nothing to do with information or with 'you', but everything with the laws of thermodynamics and you being destroyed.

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>you claim i don't understand thermodynamics
I "claimed" implicitly that you contradicted yourself, not that you didn't understand thermodynamics. But you've demonstrated to me that you want to play dumb.
>and show that you can't read by saying that i claimed that 'you can't lose'
See the above. The only reason I would say other than what you said, verbatim, is because there's a conclusion I'm making based upon the implicit nature of the information you delivered through something that, if taken at face value, means literally anything but what's implied about entropy. With working context, apparently available to yourself in no short supply, it should be incredibly apparent that something must contradict the point at which you said that you can't win with entropy. And no, it's not the temporary, local reversal, assuming an isolated system and nothing else.

>i attempt to explain that 'you have to lose' which implies both thermodynamics and 'you'
At this point, you can't profess that you don't understand what's been said to you, or that it doesn't make sense. "Having to lose" is literally what also causes you to "have to lose" at losing, in this case. Don't understand? You just explained that you explained the term, so just substitute what you evidently explained into that sentence. With sense, seeing as how you're clearly not a moron, and you don't need painfully laborious explanations to perform tasks on your own.

>'which means you' which means identity
You gave 3 different "kinds" of identity. And you want to insist that you, and I, both meant the same one? And not, what, this hill of physicality that I've been dying on since the beginning? The very same, that's more related to this concept of entropy, of
>physics
than this idea of self, the "I"?

Really? And we're supposed to be talking about energy?

>randomness can be very complex but has nothing to do with information
You spit in every textbook definition of physics by saying this. Classical, quantum...

>you forgot what was the discussion
>My disingenuousness and 'pivoting' appears to you that way on the surface because of lack of education and inability to follow a simple train of thought
I'm not going to waste my time with your deliberate attempts to see how far I will go. This farce has already run its course. And if that's not what you're doing, then you're either exactly what I just called you, or stubborn enough to be equally as stupid.

"you, physicality, identity and energy" are the same discussion.

When the system is i its lowest energy state there is

1. nothing physical left - in the sense of 'things, or energy gradients'

2. there is no 'you'

3. there is no 'identity'

4. there is no 'energy' - in the sense of free energy that can do work.

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>>"this farce has run its course"
Yes, mostly on your part.

>Ω=1
>ln(1) = 0

You posted a thread on Cred Forums in which you expected throngs of fawning adorers to flock to your pseudo scientific ideology.

Maybe you would have even had the opportunity to tell 'us about' what 'absolute truths' we should believe in.

So, this is what you got. The throngs ignore you and your absolute truths interest no one.

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>You posted a thread on Cred Forums
>you expected throngs of fawning adorers
Wrong.
>to flock to your pseudo scientific ideology
Wrong as well.

You're an idiot. I'm not OP.