/lang/ Language learning general

>What language are you learning?
>Share language learning experiences!
>Help people who want to learn a new language!
>Find people to train your language with!

Learning resources:
First and foremost check the Cred Forums Wiki. (feel free to contribuite

4chanint.wikia.com/wiki/The_Official_Cred Forums_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

Check pastebin.com/ACEmVqua for plenty of language resources as well as some nice image guides.

/Lang/ is currently short on those image guides, so if you can pitch in to help create one for a given language, don't hesitate to do so!

Torrents with more resources than you'll ever need for 30 plus languages:

Google Drive folder with books for all kinds of languages:
drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B9QDHej9UGAdcDhWVEllMzJBSEk# (Links to the other folders, apparently it was taken down from the original drive)

Other urls found in this thread:

how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6366&PN=0&TPN=1
ncf.idallen.com/english.html
youtube.com/watch?v=Cc_X4HoQoeU&list=PLBZcHkPESuK-2a6SHfP45aJSGp8a3dxwP
polyglotsdiary.com/the-ultimate-list-of-french-resources/
laits.utexas.edu/tex/gr/overview.html
vocaroo.com/i/s0OjMR9cErg1
vocaroo.com/i/s0InbpwLBKEM
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendaku
youtube.com/watch?v=JfJamyTbU-k
vocaroo.com/i/s0291GzVvbLn
twitter.com/SFWRedditVideos

Translation Challenge: level hard
>Have I done something for the general interest? Well then I have had my reward. Let this always be present to your mind, and never stop doing such good.

He hecho yo algo para el interés general? Entonces ya he tenido mi recompensa. Deja que esto siempre esté presente en tu mente y nunca dejes de hacer ese tipo de bien.

Trying to work on esperanto and german

Are you an exchange student?

Danke, Herr Zahnpasta.

Habe ich irgendwas für das allgemeine Interesse gemacht? Na dann ich meine Belohnung gehabt habe. Lass das immer in deinem Geist sein und halt nie, solche Gut zu tun

Im not confident with "Lass das immer in deinem Geist sein". Im not very comfortable with the different ways to use lassen.

Canton?

Czy zrobiłem coś dla interesu ogólnego? No, zatem miałem moją nagrodę. Niech to zawsze będzie obecne w twoim umyśle i nigdy nie przestań robić tak dobrze.

ai-je fait quelque chose pour l'intérêt général? Alors, j'ai déjà eu ma récompense. Laisse ceci être toujours mon cadeau pour ton esprit et n'arrête jamais de faire le bien.

>Habe ich irgendwas für das allgemeine Interesse gemacht?
would use getan instead of gemacht here. machen is more for concrete things, tun for abstract ones.
>Na dann ich meine Belohnung gehabt habe
Dann habe ich meine Belohnung schon gehabt.
>Lass das immer in deinem Geist sein
Grammatically fine but sounds awkward. "etwas sein lassen" is a fixed expresseon meaning "Stop/give up/avoid doing something". I'd go for a less literal translation like "Behalte das immer in deinen Gedanken".
>und halt nie, solche Gut zu tun
und höre nie auf, Gutes zu tun. halten, apart from its main meaning "to hold" is only used as "to stop" for vehicles or as the single-word expression "Halt!" meaning "Stop!".

>machen is more for concrete things, tun for abstract ones.
finally some actual guidance on machen vs tun

>Dann habe ich meine Belohnung schon gehabt.
Fuck right, "dass" uses Nebensatz, not "dann"

>und höre nie auf, Gutes zu tun.
How come not "und höre nie *dar*auf, Gutes zu tun"? And also why "Gutes" and not "Gut"?

Should be algemeen instead of algemaan.

You could translate "Well," by "Wel," which has the additional benefit of not sounding Hollandish.

You should usually use "je" instead of "jouw", unless you really want to tell someone "let it be present in YOUR mind and not anyone else's mind". The second part of the sentence could be translated as "en hou(d) nooit op met zulk goed(s) te doen", but it sounds just as archaic as it does in English so no one would ever say something like that.

Genel ılgı için bir şey yaptım mı? İyi o zaman ödülümü vardı. Bu her zaman aklında bulansın, ve asla iyi yapmayı bırakma.
Turkish doesn't really have the present perfect so its the same as basic past tense.

>How come not "und höre nie *dar*auf, Gutes zu tun"?
The verb is aufhören, doesn't have anything to do with the preposition darauf.

>And also why "Gutes" and not "Gut"?
It's called a substantiviertes Adjektiv in German. Compare these two sentences.

"Er hat etwas gut gelernt." in this case "gut" is just an adverb that refers to the quality of "hat gelernt", meaning "He studied/learned something well."
"Er hat etwas Gutes gelernt." now here we turned the adjective "gut" into a proper object, translating to "He learned something good."

>What's a language actually worth learning?
damn nigga why you even need this. you're all set.

Bretty good, lad

Few corrections/improvements :

>Alors,
This isn't exactly "wrong", especially in the colloquial language. But at a formal level it would be arguably considered of poor form, and thus something like "Dans ce cas" would perhaps be better. But I'm just saying this for your general information, this would be debatable even between natives, so don't fret over it either way.

>Laisse ceci être toujours
Que ceci puisse toujours être

>et n'arrête jamais de faire le bien.
Not actually "wrong", but not the most accurate translation of the original phrase in my view. I'd go for something like "et n'arrête jamais de faire de telles bonnes choses."

Can a German bro tell me the correct uses of "machen." I've seen it used in so many contexts that I have idea how to use it correctly.

>I've seen it used in so many contexts that I have idea how to use it correctly.
the same with make for me

yeah no, I only learn real meme languages, like Swiss German :^)

to be honest, Japanese grammar is very easy. Vocabulary is harder simply due to the fact that Japanese is completely unrelated to English (or any Indo-European language for that matter), however I still didn't find vocabulary to be the hardest thing to learn (maybe because due to animu, the words aren't completely unfamiliar? idk)
Kanji is gunna be the biggest factor I think. They're not exactly *hard*, but it's tedious to learn them. For reference, I lived in Japan for 10 months and studied 7 new kanji almost every day, drilling the kanji from previous days as well. After that I had somewhere between 400 and 600 kanji comfortably down. That's still only 1/4 of the 2000 "Everyday use" kanji. So not enough to read a newspaper, but I found its enough to comfortably read a decent amount.

tl;dr Japanese is more time-consuming than hard. If you're willing to take your time and make this a long-term project, do it.

>The verb is aufhören
hurr durr of course

>It's called a substantiviertes Adjektiv
hmm, interesting. My textbook basically made substantives a foot note,so it didn't talk about their construction. I'll look into this some more

Thanks for being such a lad, Brudi. Are you learning anything?

could you be a bit more specific? most of the time you'd either tranlate it with "make" or "do"

don't venture too far into the language guys, that's the advice from a dude who tried to learn german and japanese.... if you care about all those small details you'll lose attention span pretty quickly. I know I've been there, just start using it anywhere and you will grasp all those things eventually as the time goes by. I still have a hundred bookmarks saved explaining every little piece of shit that didn't actually help me learn the language but took away my strength. these threads are cancerous

Eat shit, frogposter.

There are so many uses for it it's impossible to list them all. It's the most basic verb after all.

>Are you learning anything?
Serbian, semi-seriously. Been studying it on and off over the past few years. Getting a little more motivated recently since I've got a Balkan trip planned for the summer. Should be good enough already actually. My passive vocabulary is pretty good, I know most of the grammar and I can understand a lot but I don't have any actual experience speaking the language IRL.

Genève / Geneva
In the French speaking part of switzerland
Ultimement j'aimerais me barrer de ce trou à rat mais je suis encore aux étude donc ce sera pour plus tard.

Honestly i've dropped out of german 4 years ago and I regret it a lot. I'm going to start again this year and next two summer I'm going to spend a lot of time in germany.
I'm searching for media in deutsch, my interest are mostly art related. Ill be happy to discover a good german youtuber.

Maybe that seem like a stupid request but it's how I learned english so i'm pretty confident that if I expose myself to enough german content I'll get better.

uhhhh

ai-je me fait quelque chose de mal a la (interest) general? Alors que j'ai eu mon (reward). Lassiez-le etre (present) toujour dans le tete et arretez

Alright I tried, I couldn't figure out how to word the last part of the last sentence. I'm still A1-A2 level french so bear with me

...

>good german youtuber

was meinte er damit

Anyone here used the Listening-Reading (L-R) method for language learning? It's described here: how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6366&PN=0&TPN=1

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thank you for all that you do

Thanks man, didn't even realize I missed a part.

How useful is Duolingo? I can tell that it's nowhere near enough for fluency, but how good is it as a starting point?

Kủqshāo jí mó "People hate what they don't understand" teo da. Is there a better way to say that?

Mi povas helpi vin se vi volas.

it's shit

How so? Does it depend on the language?

Yeah it really depends on the language. Some languages just didn't get the same care as others when being made and lack useful grammar tips.
In general its a great starting point, use it to get the basics down then dive into something else. What language are you thinking of?

I'm currently using it to polish up my French, and I'm starting Irish and Italian.

merci copain

How's your writing? I found that typing/writing can help with speaking.

I feel the same way about not paying attention in French class in high school. One day I'd like to restart into French. But for now since im in Zürich, my priority is German.
As far as german youtubers go, a lot of people recommend the Easy Languages channels, so search Easy German and you'll find it. At the least it's good listening practice.

käk Deutschland braucht seines eigenes Hollywood oder LA

>this is considered peak language learning these days

>absolute beginner trying to learn French
>simple shit like "tres bien" is throwing me off because of the weird growl/purr pronunciation
None of these words are pronounced the way they're spelled, what the fuck

>None of these words are pronounced the way they're spelled
Cute coming from an english speaker.
Don't worry though, French is very consisted with its spelling autism. That means after learning how to pronounce "aux" for example it'll be like that for every single word that has it.

If this is not bait, kill yourself

Consistent*

I know english can be pretty bullshit too, but at least I'm used to it and fluent in it. That's good to know though, at least I don't have to deal with that too.

>None of these words are pronounced the way they're spelled, what the fuck
Here you go
ncf.idallen.com/english.html

it's fine for beginners. do not recommend sticking with it past 50-60%

>at least I'm used to it and fluent in it
Yeah, the absolute beginner stage is the most frustrating for weird bullshit like that. I almost shit the first time I saw a separable verb in German. It gets better as you get used to it though

Where should I start with Italian?

Skim through the videos and look for the how to pronounce the 'R'
>youtube.com/watch?v=Cc_X4HoQoeU&list=PLBZcHkPESuK-2a6SHfP45aJSGp8a3dxwP

t.novice high level French student (i don't remember the scales)

I have a French Phonology book, if anyone wants me to scan that shit and put it on a PDF to post here. Don't know if it'll be useful to anyone, but along with the playlist on top, it could help you guys out.

I'm sure, it's just something I need to work on, it'll get better eventually.
Thanks for the playlist, I'd love to see those scans.

I know I have the book laying around someone, I'll scan as soon as I can.

I'll be lurking if you have any other questions.

The book has 250+ pages kek, I'll do it anyways

Nothing better to do other than meme around

>250+ pages
Jesus, what a champ

As for questions, I guess the biggest one I have is in terms of beginner guide material. I'm using some language program, but I'm always hesitant to use them after all I've heard about shitty ones like duolingo. Classes and things like that aren't available to me right now, so all I have access to is online material.

Well you can always check the OP for a couple resources.

Check out this site that I just found, some of the content is good for getting a grasp/feel for French. like the youtube channels etc.

>polyglotsdiary.com/the-ultimate-list-of-french-resources/

You can also use this sire that my Professor suggested to us. It's used to learn and conjugate verbs. On the top right corner, there will be a drop down menu that says 'Jump', it takes you to each of the subjects like nouns, adjectives, etc. etc.

Scanning book now.

Forgot link to french grammer.

>laits.utexas.edu/tex/gr/overview.html

公共の為に何にかをしたことがあるか?
そうだったら私的な褒美を得たって言う意味だ。
これをあなたの頭に刻み込みんでいいことをするのを決して辞めないでください。
Well at least I tried

That's google translate.

Great, I'll give both of those links a look tonight.

Well, the English 'to make' has more the connotation of to produce, to create or to fabricate something while the German 'machen' has a more extended usage that pretty much includes any form of performing action like 'to do'. The corresponding cognate of 'to do', 'tun', has a kind of infantile ring to it and doesn't get used that often

Romani.

Any method that uses the principle of 'comprehensive input' is alright.

hi /lang/, do any of you know any good language learning exercises that I can do?

Anyone learning a meme Slavic language?

¿He hecho algo para el interés del público? Entonces ya he recibido mi recompensa. Que siempre tengas esto en tu mente, y jamás deja de hacer lo bueno así.

Is Serbian meme enough?

Also I forgot to mention, the book is in complete French.

Croatian reporting in
speaking with a native speaker

This is a German family of farmers. They are eating from a bowl of salad.

> _____ ein Kälbchen.
> Deshalb ist die Schüssel schon fast leer.
> Na, ich glaube wir bekommen dich auch trotzdem _____.

vocaroo.com/i/s0OjMR9cErg1

I've been doing that

what language you doing?

German

>Bei Hansens kommt ein Kälbchen.
>...wir bekommen dich auch trotzdem satt.

Yes. And sounds funny to me. It sounds like "Kao brate idemo v kafanu piće rakiju" :DD.

Anyone here fluent (or just better than me) in Turkish? I'm confused about a song lyric and I'm hoping someone else can help me out.

Taşlar düşüyor dağlardan
Uyandım boş uykulardan
Sen hangi Eylül ben hangi başak

I can translate the first two lines just fine but I don't understand the last one. I can translate it more or less literally but then it's just nonsensical

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Just finished the memelingo course for French.

post trophy

> Was, eben _____ Schule?

vocaroo.com/i/s0InbpwLBKEM

Does /lang/ want to help us study? :3

Nice try Amerimutt

...

Gj fren

You are now truly fluent.

hon hon hon

sacre bleu!

Now you can actually start learning the language :)

I get what you're hinting at, but I'm uncertain what to do once I'm done with duolingo, because it's been a nice help for vocabulary. Do you think traditional textbooks are the ultima ratio?

el goblino bump

a 60% board (anne pro?) and one of those gay gaymer keypad things?

why not just get a full size board? what the fuck? who does this

grats bro

I got some commentary on this elsewhere,, posting here for those also doing Persian.
>In this case, “interest” is منفعت and “general (public)” is عموم
>”has been given” is داده شده است
>your last sentence says “never do the goods” haha. A good verb to use in this case is دست برداشتن or دست کشیدن which means to no longer do something, so to say “never stop doing such good” you would say هرگز دست از انجام چنین کارهای خوب بر ندارید.
>Such = چنین

Anything that will make you an active learner of the language, instead of a passive one. One huge issue with Duolingo, and any other such methods really, is that you get everything spoonfed to you and, in turn, never actually learn to learn by yourself. Most people will finish their Duolingo trees and proceed not to do anything significant with their target language because they're too comfortable with the guardrails and safety offered within those methods.

Start using the language: read stuff, even if you don't fully understand it; write stuff and talk to natives, even if your grammar is broken as fuck, it will only improve from there. This is the only real challenge in language learning.

Ho fatto qualcosa per il interese generale? Comunque in questo caso ho bisogno della mia recompensa.

To lazy to continue.

Thanks. Now that you mention it, I've only really been using duolingo as a "curriculum" for which vocabulary to learn, but I think there are enough lists on the internet for that.
Since the language (dutch) is very close to mine, I'm luckily already able to understand a lot of written and spoken language, but I think learning purely through using the language is too unorganized. I just assume it's not the most effective way, but I might be wrong.

Well, there's nothing wrong with textbooks and such, especially in the earliest sages, but after a certain point you'll only really make any noticeable progress by using the language, no way around it.

stages*

The textbook I use is called Oggi in Italia. If you can find it somewhere i would say just follow along with that

Good German youtuber =Musstewissen

What do you think of that Don't trust the rabbit girl and Herr atrim

She's cute and has big boobs but her content is a bit bland for my taste and although you'll learn a bit about German culture and mindset she will not help you to signifcantly improve your German.I don't know the other guy.

Easy German is a good one to have both an insight of German culture and to improve your German.

> il interese
*l'interesse
> comunque in questo caso ho bisogno della mia recompensa
*bene allora ho avuto la mia ricompensa

War das eben hohe Schule?

been ""learning"" french on and off and with large gaps for like 10 years lmao

is german worth learning? i would like to, how difficult is it?

>is german worth learning?
If you need to ask this question it probably isn't.

German is the most difficult one among the Germanic languages.

Bien joué, copain. Qu'est-ce que tu vas faire ensuite?

What about Icelandic though

For the major languages, yes.

For all Germanic still spoken, this user is right

300k speak icelandic and they all speak decent english.

german makes more sense of the two.
used to be a colonial power so it is spoken outside germany.

Me too. Same with Japanese.

I know the most popular form is "かわかみ" (川上), but shouldn't "かわがみ" also be correct? When a "か" word comes after another word shouldn't it become a "が" word?

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendaku

mutio obgirado anmigo brasileño

rate his (a Japanese person's) English
youtube.com/watch?v=JfJamyTbU-k

still uses his japanese accent, but overall he did great. his biggest problem is the excess of "aahm" (which indicates he's still not comfortable with speaking english to other people)

thanks
he says a lot of "aahm" even when he talks with Japanese ppl lol

Me too but with Italian. It sucks.

he can pronounce "LA LI LU LE LO", "VA VI VU VE VO", "SI", "S" (instead of SU) and "R" (instead of "RU") which, for me, is a big plus, since japanese people are the expected to have big issues with those.

Pretty typical for a Japanese person speaking English
>accent is understandable but still quite strong
>forgets articles and prepositions (e.g. "I could stay same hotel" instead of "I could stay IN THE same hotel.")
>nervous about speaking English

why is high socks such a cliche for trannies

Someone give me a rundown on gorean. I learned the hangul and basic introduction, thanks, sorry eyc but I really don't know where to start. Vocab? Verbs? Please someone help.

La creatura

Je suis un homme blanc et riche mais je suis seul...
je veux une jolie fille mais je non peux pour quoi je suis laid..

this is all the french i know, and i dont even know if thats well written desu.

Only in French would getting laid be a bad thing

>flag
>homme blanc

i would assume it conceals manly leg hair?

>following natives chatting
>so fast, so many unknowns
At thr same time, I realize I can follow this better than I could near the start of the year, and that's progress

*mais je ne peux pas parce que*

He says "I pray chess" instead of "I play chess"

Hehe Asian accents are so cute

Overall I'd recommend German

>thirsty latinas
>high culture

Dónde está la diferencia?
(shhh soy un burger en disfraz)

Iktfb
I recognize words, then get stuck for about a second remembering what it meant, then the conversation is already 100 words ahead kek

If you are legit high level Spanish you'll find Italian piss easy. However i think you'll be disappointed in the amount of literature/online/media/people after learning spanish

Same.

Oh okay, I'd missed the "don't" there

I'm considering learning japanese, pronouncion of the worlds shouldn't be hard for me I consider them quite easy, grammar shouldn't be problem too but I'm pretty aware of writing in japanese, is it really hard?

you should consider improving your english before touching anything else

that's actually true I'm pretty bad at it

I consider learning japanese, pronouncion of the worlds shouldn't be hard for me, it is actually quite easy for me, grammar is thing that have to be only remembered but I'm pretty aware of writing in japanese, is it really hard?
corrected version of my post?

kek

Je vais commencer à lire des contes ou des livres en français maintenant

First one sounded better. Here, lemme help you:
I'm considering learning Japanese. The pronunciation of the words shouldn't be hard for me, I consider them quite easy, grammar shouldn't be a problem either but I'm pretty worried (?) about the writing, is it really hard?

Your English is perfectly understandable, just keep practicing and you'll get better.

You're biggest problem, from my point of view, is that you seem to not know when to use the definite / indefinite articles (which makes sense, i'm pretty sure most slavic languages don't have them, assuming you're a native speaker of one). There's also some phrasing issues, but most of what you write is understandable. Here's my attempt at correcting your second post.

>I'm considering learning Japanese
the original line wasn't grammatically incorrect, but this sounds more natural to me. You actually had this right in your first post, not sure why you changed it.

>the pronunciation of the words shouldn't be hard for me,
this was almost correct, just needed "the" before the word "pronunciation".

>it is actually quite easy for me
this is fine, though you could use it's instead of it is. this phrase could also be deleted if you wanted to.

>the grammar shouldn't be a problem either, but I've heard about the writing. is it really hard?
your version in the second sentence (grammar is thing that have to be only remembered),was difficult to understand(i guess you meant something like, "grammar is just something you have to memorize"). i think what you wrote in the first post sounded "cleaner", so i corrected that. the only change, aside from adding an article in front of problem, was changing "too" to "either". you usually use either instead of too after a negative.

as for "I'm pretty aware of writing in Japanese", this was also something that wasn't grammatically incorrect, but just didn't sound natural to me (at least in the context).

I changed it to "i've heard about the writing", because it means the same thing, basically, but sounds better.

you could also say something like "but i've heard the writing is pretty difficult. is that true?", but that's more a stylistic than a grammar change, and i tried to preserve how the original sentence was formatted.

Thanks for help. I didn't practise too much and that sure affects my english skills. Other things which may affects my english atm could be feel of being tired (2 am here) also not thinking too much about construction of sentences.

Excelente

Thanks for professional help from native speaker, I really appreciate it!

assalam alaykum

If you need more practice I could invite you to our Discord language learning server if you're interested. It's fine if you aren't too.

I use discord everyday so it's great idea to improve my skills!

That's great!

discord.gg/ttx3c

How am I supposed to be using Assimil to learn French? The "instructions" just says to listen to the tape for 50 lessons and then go back and start translating. Is that literally all I do? Listen to 50 2-3minute recordings and then go back and start reading it? The book is kind of vague.

I really wish the Cred Forums-wiki had actual language guides and didn't just repost Wikipedia articles and links to meme lang-software.

Which language are you talking about

Check the pastbin for one made by someone in the thread. I don't think all of them are posted on the wiki yet.

Can anyone give me some recommendations for media in Spanish, German, French, or Russian?
I'm not too often in contact with speakers of those languages, and I don't want to start forgetting the sounds of these languages.

Just make some stereotypical sounds in each language

Ayy caromba!
Seig heil!
Hon hon hon mademoiselle
Da da u vant to buy adiduhs da?

Thanks, Tyrone.

Anyone have experience using Duolingo for Irish?

can any Germans help me with #1 and #6? I can't figure out the answer and I've used every article for #1

:3

YOUR MOM

Excuse me, I'm an Cred Forums newfag and I just wanted to share.
>have too much free time
>get an itch to do something to spend my time
>hey maybe I can learn moonrunes
>it's something to do
>maybe I can use it to play untranslated games or something
>how hard could it be?
Well, now I understand where the meme comes from now.
How can any adult manage to learn the 34 gorillion different squiggly symbols and their pronunciations, grammar rules, vocabulary, regional idioms and colloquial uses?
This is simply overwhelming, I don't know how to even begin. The alphabet is massive and every expression has a hira and a kata. And then there's the kanji that I have no idea how it's formed from the former two.
You could probably call this post a call for help. All I can offer is an uncommon flag. I thought about posting in the Japanese thread but I don't think that's its purpose so here I am.

try learning some European languages perhaps. they'd probably be far more useful/relevant to you and are far easier to learn

>don't know how to begin

How about learning how to read hiragana/katakana you big dumb retard? It's not difficult at all, I spent two weeks practicing both alphabets like 8 years ago and I can still read it easily. Then you go to youtube and type "japanese language lesson 1" and start your magical journey from there

I already have spanish and english pretty well down. I wanted something a bit more different. Maybe I'm just stupid.

I guess it's a matter of repetition until they start sticking, yeah? There's just so many, it gets really overwhelming really fast.
Just gojuon adds up to like 100+ different expressions counting hira and kata, then come voiced consonants, then yoon expressions, and that's only the basics.
I'm not trying to look for excuses but you know, it does come off as a bit offputting to a filthy westerner trying to learn it.

For starting off there's no harm in using Duolingo, although I've heard lingodeer is better. They'll give you a good starting point that you can supplement and build on later

Habe ich etwas fuer die allgemeine Interesse getan? Dann habe ich mein Belohnung gehabt. Lass das immer in ihre Verstand[?] sein, und niemals gut machen aufhoeren.

After running it through google translate, the last part should be "Und hör niemals auf, Gutes zu tun". I always fuck up putting time in the right place

> ____ sie _____ hat?
> *other girl shakes head no*
> Na Gott sei Dank. Denn ist es nicht so schlimm.

vocaroo.com/i/s0291GzVvbLn

I've been using lingodeer actually, but honestly I just glossed over the alphabet.
I think I'm gonna have to go over the alphabet lessons many more times to start memorizing anything.
I think I'd do good by printing out a sheet with the gojuon to keep at hand as well.

Anyone ever study on Adderall? If so, how was it?

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Not native, but:
For 6, einladen takes haben in the perfect past.
As for 1, Cello is neutral, so it should be das? But if you've already tried every article then im not sure.

German grammar is irritating. I think I might break down and take a class.

Why not take a class? Progress may be slower, but you'll definitely learn things more completely.
Thats the one thing I dont like about self-learning. I may be learning faster, but I feel like i'm learning everything only half-way and half-assed

You there, fetch my slippers!

Qualcuno vuole pratticare l'Italiano un po?

Wump

il bumpo

Any good sources for non-Swahili African languages? I'll need to learn one for zoology work.

Lang dead today

If you're still there

Hey guys, I wonder if you could help me out here.

I want to start studying a new language and the only possible options I currently have are Russian and French

Could you please tell me and elaborate on some of the pros and con and tell a bit how was the learning process for you, just anything

I'm currently studying German and Swedish as well so that's why it's impossible to manage both them.

>Pros
You get to speak Russian/French
You don't get to speak French/Russian
>Cons
You get to speak Russian/French
You don't get to speak French/Russian

French is a bit easier and you can start reading faster but it will be hard to really master, and the weird pronunciation makes listening/speaking a pain the ass. In Russian there aren't many surprises, all the difficulty is frontloaded: what you see is what you get, which might be either a con or a pro depending on how you see it.

Yep. I feel like I will never be able to understand german word order at a fluent level. When I read a sentence I feel like I'm unscrambling it rather than just reading.

Can any advanced German learners chime in? When did it start to click? I'm 5 months in ffs

ThisIf you know english : The common vocabulary and alphabet helps. And the grammar isn't too harsh. Lots of conjugations and exceptions though.
Russian is a crapshoot. A very fun one, but the pronounciation is often nothing like the writing (A and O may as well be one vowell).

Good luck, Suomi.

Russian is cool, French is drool.

>レア旗を捧げろwwww

Little bit late, but I'll try my best.
#1
Like Swissbro said, Cello is neutral, so you need "das". In this context it's even possible to miss it out completely (because she learns Cello as an instrument, not exact that one. Imho both possible)

#6
There are two solution.
1. [...], ist Emily nach Berlin eingeladen worden.
2. [...], hat sie Emily nach Berlin eingeladen.

I don't really know why it is like it is, I 'm not really questioning my mother language.

If you do start with namasensei

hmmmm

If you just want the most people to speak to : Far more francophones than russians know english (proportionally and in absolute numbers).

You just need to use it regularly and it will click. I know that sounds obvious and unhelpful but it's true.

Well I tried but /sino/ is a completely a lost cause.

I like russian. The grammar is quite difficult, coming from a native english speaker, but at the same time it's quite stable and seems to have a common sense about it, even if the wall to understanding it is quite large.
I've found it quite comfy to learn, there's a lot of russian content online to take in, too

I'm still absolute pleb level, though

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This is a very relatable post my friend.
I don't get any speaking practice but I've been reading and listening to German almost daily. I think I've been improving but just not fast enough.

All good progress is slow.

What's wrong with /sino/

Pls halp

Und, hast du dir wehgetan?
Na Gott sei Dank, dann isses ja nicht so schlimm.

:)))))))

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I haven't studied Spanish in 1.5 weeks. It's not too late to jump back in right? Make it a daily thing again.

Not at all, get back in it

Ar padariau kažką bendrajam interesui? Na, turiu savo apdovanojimo. Tegul tai visada likti atmintyje ir niekada nenustok tokio gero daryti.

I watched Er ist Weider da today. Pretty funny stuff, but what did Germans think of it?

pretty lame movie imo