Weekend Cred Forums creation thread

Oh, and I posted that pic because I wanted to do an easier comparison.

Tats usually uses an old film camera because she's paranoid and believes someone could tamper with digital photos on a computer.

I dig it.

Would it be a convertible or v8 muscle car of some kind?

Now I kind of want to see Betty meet Recluse.
Though I'm not sure that can happen and still have both of them canonically alive after.

Whatever it is it needs an MPG in the single figures, it just wouldn't be American otherwise.

Mantis just needs to show up and then Betty realizes Recluse takes an all American dick on the regular.

How can she drive with only one eye?

Is it the freedom?

The only eye you need is the freedom in your heart and the stars in your stripes.

The teasing would be apocalyptic.

I'm pretty sure she has a robot eye under the eye-patch that can see through the eye-patch.

It also means she probably cheats at cards.

Good dick knows no borders, comrade.

It's times like these where I'm glad that porn has been drawn already.

What sort of comic does each Cred Forums comic reads? Like in-universe, what sort of comic do they read? How about in reality, what sort of comic do they read? DC? Marvel? Indie?

Cred Forumsnrad probably reads all sorts.

Cred Forumslette is probably more casual and follows specific runs or characters.

Marley strikes me as a Marvel fan.

Hummingbird I think would be more into the Franco-Belgian which another Youth Coalition member got her into back in the day.

>Cred Forumsnrad
>not reading Detective Comics Comics

Falls under the category of all sorts.

That sunk fast.

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Did we ever have a scorpion themed villain? I feel like someone like that would be one of his enemies.

Not that I remember, we did have an Egyptian snake Medusa lady. This Jackalope guy could be an interesting hero to Ursus McFlannigans bad band of forest creatures.

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Where is the Forest Underground located anyway?

And I mean geographically.

Like blebs in the waves.

I wonder how a meeting between the selkies and the AC(oSF) would go.

Levi might be aware of them, or aware of them through the finfolk.

Somewhere in Ireland I believe. Some mysterious catastrophic event went down in the UK, and for all we know all of Ireland could be forest now

Nah, Chaptor and associated characters were around long before that happened.

Ireland told all that magic to fuck off probably.

The Island of Man is probably an apocalypse zone though.

Perhaps the selkies might need help recovering a kinsman caught by local fishermen?

Or one of their coats has been stolen and some evil thing is using it to shape shift.

That sounds like a job for the Cosmic Crusaders.

That just ends in someone crying because of explosions, cosmic disturbances, really bright lights they can't understand, creepy voices in the tiny bubbles, and no less than three angry glares from people who participated and caused much of the calamity that ended in a destroyed coat.

Are they one of those "causes more trouble than there was to begin with" types of organizations?

If you want to interpret it that way, sure. The other way you could interpret it is by understanding that there is always an eldritch plot.

Stolen milk from Corson's fridge? Eldritch plot.

Weird kid learning kung fu to beat up the bullies? Eldritch plot.

That guy taking pictures of Erin while she's shopping? Eldritch plot.

Missing bicycle at the nearby primary school? Eldritch plot.

For all you know the selkies in that region were worshiping a cosmic pelican abomination and their coats were infused with its feathers that drew power from salt water and its plan was to turn all fresh water into salt water and melt the ice caps to flood the world to make a perfect world for ghostly space pelicans to eat the drowning life of Earth in a feast.

Stub your toe on the kitchen corner? Eldritch plot.

Vending machine won't give you what you paid for? Eldritch plot.

You glasses fog up when you get out of the car? Eldritch plot.

Toast lands butter side down? You better believe that's an Eldritch plot.

How come Betty turns in to Bandit Keith when around Tats?

>Betty Volare said she couldn't help the stranded motorcyclist because the RUSSIAN ACCENT shows she's "obviously a communist." She then advised to "call the Soviet Union" for a tow.

Eldritch plot is the Golgom of CosCru.

Because it's funny and for no other reason.

And also because Betty can get away with it with Tats. She misses the Russian rivalry from before her time traveling through space beating up aliens.
Earth probably felt really boring to her when she got back.

Sure, there are supervillains everywhere, sure they put the world in danger, but they lack that edge, that thing that keeps everyone on edge all the time.

The interesting thing is Tats isn't even Russian, and Betty knows this, but still goes through with the routine because Tats keeps playing along long after that was resolved.

Anyway, this is the last bump I can give the thread before bed. With any luck it'll still be up when I wake up.

The country Tats is from was part of the USSR when it was still around, so that counts enough for her.

What's the deal with the coats?

Is this the way Coccult perceives things? Or is it somebody else who's got Cthun Fever?

Selkies are born with a seal pelt cloak that contains their magic. Without it they're unable to transform. Needless to say they guard their cloaks carefully, but most mythological stories about them involve somebody hiding the cloak and getting themselves a selkie wife in the bargain.

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It's the way someone perceives things after fighting monsters for too long.

I'm wondering who on the team might be of that mindset, though.

Well, then Coccult probably.

After fighting so many horrors for so long, he'll need a vacation.

Plot twist: Coccult didn't need the Cosmic Crusaders to fight eldritch horrors, it was just a pretense for him to assemble a social club so he could relax with like-minded people for a change.

That's a better unexpected plot twist than most plot twists.

Threads continue to drop fast.

Long and short of the Crusaders is this -

During the time where Skull King grants Corson a vision he sees the collapsing of worlds. Most, if not all, are due to various cosmic beings all a little different than others, some overlapping.

Coccult, being an independent, initially starts looking at other independents.

Andrew due to his minor esper status and connection to a cosmic entity(Whisper.)

Betty due to her time in space granting a familiarity with some greater alien threats.

Erin, on loan from Hank in spite of Boss Imp's protest which was turned into a net gain by having an Earth native re-establishing courier lines on Earth with the portal up again.

Emily, on loan from Skathi who was the first organization attachment that Corson went to, in order to get someone from the fae and more mythological/folk tale stand point.

There are others he looked at but they were the core he got.

Steve wasn't a choice he made. In fact even though Steve had been chasing things related to mystic monks, yaksha, rakshasas, devas and asuras for two years since his emergence from that cosmic pocket beneath reincarnation, he's an unknown to the world like Erin.

Skull King placed him on the team as a personal stipulation. A debt to be repaid by Corson for being allowed to see the collapsing of worlds.

In that scenario Skull King is mostly interested to see what becomes of the nameless monk because he, like many other cosmic entities of a more curious variety, saw the fight between Steve and the Empty Blindness.

And to convince Corson, Skull King gave the vague assurance that Steve had knowledge regarding an open pocket that he wasn't considering. That being the Blind, Mute, and Deaf aspects which know the image, name, and voice of an eldritch monster that consumes the enlightened.

I think eventually Coccult should come to accept that there's an infinite number of collapsing worlds and also an infinite number of worlds that are left alone. Then he realizes that he's stressing far too much and just protecting his own universe (without causing the destruction of any others while doing so) is good enough.

He really goes through all of this to make sure that his universe doesn't get the eldritch plot destruction stick.

But the whole thing is, once you start something, sometimes you might be the one that gets the ball rolling.

Damn butterfly effect, that's probably an Eldritch plot too!

And then he sticks half his body out an open window and angrily shakes his fist at an open field.

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Has Van ever drawn Bri? I feel like she's a character right up his alley.

Not that I know of. Cabi, Mindwipe, Chochi, SaburoX, and a few others have but not Van I think.

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Well, Van's busy with work stuff right now anyway.

Then he'll get back to that Golden Girl comic he's working on.

Nice.

Dammit, bump.

Maybe the Lion can rescue this thread.

And by that I mean this Lion.

I'm coming up with a blank.

The Lion?

Do we have a lion themed character?

OK, so what are the others' AU wrestling star names?

Once long ago there was the Dandy Lion, but he never went anywhere beyond the name and a hero maker design.

Skathi is already a pretty cool wrestling name. Honestly most of them have pretty good names that would translate into a wrestling persona, but Briana and Ma'am would need ones just because they don't have "super hero" names to transpose. Ma'am's stage name would play into her thief theme, maybe something like "______ Rogue"?

Yeah, I can see her playing up the thief angle, though she'd probably try for some wordplay referencing her chest.

Bouncing Rogue?

Red Rogue, because of her hair.
Or maybe if we're using one of her costumes with the heart theme, she's the Queen of Hearts.
Or maybe just The Madam.

Queen of Hearts and Red Rogue sound good. Voleur is french for thief so if anyone wants to pitch something based on that it might work out.

The selkie has name?

Lorelai or Lorelei based on the filenames.

Probably Lorelei.

She's a story teller, in her culture that's like being a historian.
She has magic that lets her replay memories through song of things she hasn't even witnessed.

So Lorelei is one of the people Hummingbird met before she joined the Youth Coalition, right?

The Voluptuous Voleur? Or even the Voleurptuary?

Queen of Hearts or Voluptuous Voleur are my 2 personal favorites. Depends on what's more important, huge tits, or costume aesthetics.

She's a heel, right? Don't they sometimes have multiple personas?

Honestly I'm not too much into wrestling. Maybe the Queen of Hearts is a name she uses on a team with a card deck theme, and VV is her regular stage name.

Some start their careers as one name and then change to a different name later.

I think.

I don't know.

I'll give this a bump before bed and hope for the best.

So we have a lot of characters with some backstories who aren't main characters, but they aren't in any stories yet.

So what's a good story idea where we can fill in all the roles using characters we already have?

Yes sir. Before Emily became a superhero she was already adventuring around the world, trying to meet as many magical folk as she could.

In addition to the historian thing she does, Lorelei's village hides the Tideheart, a magical artifact that embodies the connection between the Earth and the Moon. Lorelei's a bard, not a fighter, but the finfolk are sure as hell fighters and they feel they could put the Tideheart to much better use than the peaceful, reclusive Selkies. If they found out where it was, things could get messy.

>selkie
>noun Scottish

Run-in with Strummer, when?

The poor thing would probably be terrified.

>bonk
Rude.

Doodlechat was rife with seal clubbing jokes whenever selkies were on the board.

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Sounds like a magical artifact that has no business existing.

I wonder, with all the resurgent magical nonsense going on in the Cred Forumsverse Europe, if there have been any more militant characters who hate this sort of stuff and think magical artifacts should be melted down and unicorns should be shot on sight.

After the Fairy War I don't doubt there are those in other countries who agree with that point of view.

Anti-magic technology is still probably unattainable since whoever wants to make it still can't understand exactly what magic is.

Would anti-magic just be another form of magic?

Magic comes in various flavors. It's conceivable there's a mageslayer brand of magic out there. Earth magic is powered by stories and lord knows there's plenty of "burn the witch" tales in folklore.

Stories come from people, people perpetuate stories.

But people also make up new stories and can change old ones.

I guess it's similar to Roundworld from the Discworld series.

So about how far away is the tree when you first get into Otherworld?

It probably varies depending on where you enter from, but I bet all the fairy rings let out far enough for a human to become hopelessly lost but close enough a fairy could fly there without getting too tired. The best defense is nobody knowing you're there in the first place.

Look who's in Brellom's sketch book?

So then how do you get out of Otherworld?

It seems to me it's been set up to be this huge place with enough space that multiple species can exist without spacial issues. Does it actually house all the different types of fae (minus the finfolk and redcaps)? Are there snowy areas for the moth ones?

Neat.

Not the first time brell's drawn /coc/ stuff.

Topical.

Probably just have to be in one of the gateways at an appropriate time. But of course that's not common knowledge so most people who wander in keep moving looking for landmarks and get lost.

Tir Tairngire serves as sort of an anchor to the "real" world. If you go far enough out, things get more dreamlike and less predictable. Space doesn't behave in a euclidian fashion, paths will recross themselves, and the laws of physics become more and more like suggestions than laws. Even the fae don't have a perfect map of these outer areas or a calendar to predict how they'll shift, which is why cartographers like Marigold are valuable, to keep things updated. If you go beyond that you'll enter into the Wild Dreaming, an area where reality breaks down and waking can't be discerned from dreams. Those who venture that far never return.

I'd say most of the fae species are represented in the Otherworld and have suitable places for them to live, but some prefer to live on one side or the other of reality. Like you said, finfolk and redcaps mostly stick to the Earth side of things.

Sounds like the Wild Dreaming could cross into one of the planes jointly controlled by The Somber Maestro and The Wavering Mason.

It's a plane where all dreams are made physical, but only last so long as the dream goes on.
They work themselves out like plays no one can interfere with without some serious magic.

Though all of the dreams are archived somewhere since you never know who might want a repeat performance.

>Marley strikes me as a Marvel fan.
Oh? You think Marley reads marvel? hm, Anything specific? ironman? or if she is into general freedom, then, maybe captain america?

I said Marvel mainly because the Justice Coalition, which she idolizes, share more visual parallels with Marvel's Avengers than DC's Justice League, despite them being a blend of both.

That and she wore a Loki costume in the Halloween special issue.

>I said Marvel mainly because the Justice Coalition, which she idolizes, share more visual parallels with Marvel's Avengers than DC's Justice League, despite them being a blend of both.
You think so? How come?

General Freedom usually has a more America themed costume than not. Visually that makes him look more like Captain America despite have more of a Superman personality and powers closer to Supe's than Cap's.

Mighty Mantis wears power armor. Visually that makes him look more like Iron Man than his rather Batman-ish way of doing things.

Skathi is the one with the least resemblance to an Avenger, but she does have many parallels with Thor. Her personality is more similar to Brave and the Bold's Aquaman though.

The three of them individually take more visual cues from Marvel, but I guess the three of them together bare more resemblance to DC's Trinity of Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman.

That's why I would think Marley would be more into Marvel than DC.

>starting backwards

superpowers, super intelligence, wealth, limitless willpower and even luck, surviving one crime fighting event after another, day and night, without giving up, without dying. Of course Heroes had their fair share of suffering, they sometimes give up and even die, yet they always come back, over decades. Conrad was well aware, he is no hero material, no matter the message of the comics, he'd never survive those adventures.

"everyone can be a hero", Conrad loved comics and understood what that message meant, "everyone can be a hero but not everyone can wear the cape or the mask" he understood the message or maybe not.

Conrad made a decission, maybe to prove himself wrong or maybe he was just a kid who wanted to play being hero.

What crimes could he even hope to fight?

Well, he can still be an anonymous tipster. Sleuthing isn't out of the question.

He seems to be a perfect Question expy candidate

Now I'm curious what company publishes Golden Girl.

It would have to be a pun like "BB Comics".

Like it's supposed to be a play on Bee Bee Gun for youthful adventures, but all the comics have Big Boobs in them.

I should story board anything

I'm not sure how to interpret this post.

That actually kind of lines up pretty well with the script about SQ's superheroine team.

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And I'll give this a bump before bed.

But how would the name of the hero group work...

OK, it just hit me. The hero group's name is BB's Gals because that's what BB Comics calls the group in their publications.

Golden Girl's inner thought process becomes something like "biggest bust of them all".

I was actually thinking of calling them the Sorority of Sentinels. I remember people were big on the name having Sorority in it the last time we discussed it.

So assuming anybody's still here, anyone got a request for a character sketch or something like that?

One of the Aqua Coalition kids meeting Lorelei the Selkie, maybe?

The Crime Bustiers

What's the pun then?

How about Rime?

So what is the extent of this ice thing with Rime, does it just gather on her body as she absorbs heat or can she manipulate things more precisely than that?

She can only control how quickly she absorbs heat.

So she can suck the heat out of anything she comes into contact with or chill an area down to freezing.

She can't do constructs.

Also she honks her horn that plays Dixie.

So nothing ranged or precise short of chilling a whole room, huh. Guess that rules out anything too fancy.

>So nothing ranged or precise short of chilling a whole room, huh.
You could say there's no rime or reason to it.

She could probably touch someone or something and coat them in ice.

Yeah, I figured she'd be at least be able to do it via direct contact, it's just not quite as dramatic as my initial thought was. I'll probably just end up drawing a generic standing shot of her, I'm pretty terrible at this.

>that time betty needed to hitch a ride on tat's bike and she was mad that it couldn't break 30mph
>"Hurry up!"
>"I can't! This engine's piston is smaller than my pinkie."
>"This speed is un-American!"

Betty was an Ork in a former life.

New drawings are appreciated nonetheless.

She's just used to inter-stellar space ships.

Old Japanese scooters are a little below her.

Muscle cars don't count 'cos 'MERICA

Fair enough, but it would be nice to come up with something a little more interesting than that.

Nice pic.

Powers evolve over time sometimes.

What else can quickly moving around heat do?

She could also heat up her surroundings by activating her heat absorbing powers, but then stopping before the heat gets to her.

That could lead to her having wind powers by creating thermal disturbances.

Are you saying she doesn't believe in more dakka? Doesn't sound very American to me.

More dakka isn't very American. That's more Russian.

Bigger, better dakka is more American.

Wasn't Tats born after the fall of the USSR?

Yes.

Plus she can't afford dakka.

Her bike is commonly shown to be cheap and shitty, and tiny.

More dakka is eminently American. Military spending is one of the hallmarks of our great nation. I doubt there's any Russian who can match the gun collections of the good old boys of the U S & A.

Not really. America hasn't been more dakka since the late 50s.

The general philosophy of US Military spending is to build something so that less can do more. A better bomb, a better jet, a better ship, etc. Plus the 90s and 00s saw more military decommissions of equipment than any era.

It's just that the US military also has the most of these things due to having one of the largest standing military forces. But America has left behind the "gun behind every blade of grass" philosophy and replaced it with "extremely devastating gun behind the hill that also sets you on fire and turns your water into acid while microwaving your cock."

Even if we're spending less than we used to, we're still spending exponentially more than any other nation. The dakka is still very much alive and well, as much in the hearts of the people as it is in the government budget.

Better dakka doesn't preclude more dakka. Ya gitz can have both.

youtube.com/watch?v=TViEzHJrMcM

How do villains meet?

Through chance and circumstance most of the time, some seek each other out, some run into one another in the midst of committing the same crime or just because they operate on the same turfs.

Dregslist.

Hinder. It's an app for finding people in your area who hate the same people you do.

Would you rather be with someone who likes all the things you like or someone who hates all the things you hate?

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I'm curious what was cut out of that pic now.

I was think of drawing him reading books/training and then giving up/failing before school starts.

I think it shouldn't be a story about him becoming a classic hero but about everyone around him becoming heroes and villians, with their superpowers and super intelligence, while he learns what it means to be a day to day hero like superman teaches people to be, to do what you can with your own hands.

so yeah, he is gonna suffer and fail hard. He is not really gonna save people or solve cases at first but atleast he'll try. He is not even gonna find real crime at the beginning and once he does, its gonna be way more than he can handle.

I am too, frankly. It was years ago. I guess it was just a lazy crop job.

>What's the pun then?
We weren't actually thinking of making it a pun at the time, just a team name that sounded suitably Golden/Silver Age-y.

Crime Bustiers seems like an excellent pun to me, and I don't even like GG.

The pun at the end of the script idea was something like GG thinking to herself that she's the "most developed on here" when look at the size of her breasts compared to everyone else's.

I think the hang up was making that line work.

I have the feeling it was a nude.

But a nude of Lorelei or of the bluecap girl, I don't know.

It was the precise wording of the line that needed work. The pun was playing off the other superheroines telling GG that she's "developing into quite the superhero." The whole idea was inspired by that CN short where the PPG save Wonder Woman and Aquaman from the Legion of Doom.

The reason we were discussing what to name the team is because the team needed a name, not that the name was part of the punchline.

I thought it was that the group needed members.

That was another thing we needed to work out, yes.

As I recall, we were still kicking around Black Cat and Black Kitten being cameos there since they were public domain golden age characters.

Is that still something that's being discussed?

I don't think Lorelei's got any nudes. Or, well, any nudes that aren't just me doodling lute jokes. So if it was that it must have been the bluecap.

Well I don't see that pic anywhere in my extensive collection of doodlechat pics, so who knows?

Well, we haven't really talked about the strip since then. I do like the idea of Black Cat cameoing, though.

The others could just be generic early-comic hero archetypes: a space-hero, a magician, a jungle princess, that sort of thing.

How many would be needed for this social club to actually be a club?

Well, Black Cat and the archetypes I mentioned brings it up to five. Seems a bit small for a superteam, though at the same time we probably don't want to overwork whoever decides to draw this. Maybe seven, max?

Source?

Last thread Cosmic Crusaders user posted it.

He's a sometimes regular around here who is working on a comic.

Another small thought: All the superheroines have the same eyes-always-shut look that Silver Queen does.

Well now I don't think Black Cat would be able to be there then.

Just gonna give this a bump because why not?

What's less American? The Russian bike she sometimes has, or the Japanese scooter she sometimes has?

You know what's really American?

Taking both bikes apart and mixing the parts to make a different bike.

That bike already exists.

It's just a cameo. Nothing wrong with putting her in the house art style for a panel or two.