Why is there such a stigma among Marvel and DC fans for "OCs"? New canon characters?

Why is there such a stigma among Marvel and DC fans for "OCs"? New canon characters?
People will often complain about legacy characters, but if a writer tries introducing something completely new they'll complain even more. Most critics of Hickman's run say that one of its problems is "too many OCs".

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OP is the kind of person who genuinely doesn't understand why he's still a virgin.

Having sex is a biological desire to introduce your own OC into the verse

Usually because the OC is introduced in another characters book or on a team with already established characters. So when ever they get panel time or an arc people get mad because either they want more of the title character or just don't want to read about a character they don't know. There is also the thing where people claim that they are a mary sue, especially if that character is depicted to be more competent than an established character even for a moment. Smaller not is that other writers tend not to care about recent OCs so usually only the creator uses them and that can be seen as forced among readers. Sometimes people just get mad that they are too similar to existing characters.

Damn

Nice

To be fair though, most of Hickman's OCs were pretty lame

>Most critics of Hickman's run say that one of its problems is "too many OCs".
... that never have their story arcs completed.

That's the follow up. Most of Hickman's OCs are intriguing but Hickman fails hard at his endings. Ex Nihilo and Abyss have a pretty great introduction but afterwards just fall off the radar.

Black Swan's entire purpose goes unanswered and the interesting bit about her (her family) never sees fruition and she's killed off screen.

The Maker just gets completely shit on in his debut and never recovers even when Hickman's given a second chance at him.

Well, recently the backlash is because most new legacies are diversity for publicity stunts. I don't really see anyone actually thinking Whor or Captain Falcon will be around forever. So it's a short-sighted, cynical attempt to garner publicity and sales boosts until they revert to the norm.

Some people act like everyone's vehemently opposed to a black man taking the name of Captain America though. It's stupid, because instead of trying to build up Falcon as his own independent character who might get a movie of his own someday, they're resorting to the cheap, short-term publicity stunt to spark controversy and attention.

>trying to build up Falcon as his own independent character

But that's exactly what Spencer is doing. His whole run with the character has been about Falcon taking the mantle and doing what Falcon would do if he were Captain America. Not trying to act like Steve Rogers in Black Face.

>Hickman fails hard at his endings

HE CAN'T EVEN FIND THE TIME TO SCRIPT THE LAST TWO ISSUES OF SHIELD

Dustin Weaver has said that those two issues have long since been completed the only thing keeping them from hitting stands is Hickman going through and writing the script

My OC is shit, little bastard doesn't have superpowers at all. He just shits his diaper and cries a lot.

And Hickman's said he's had those scripts done for awhile now and they're waiting on Marvel to solicit them...

The unfortunate consequence of one too many writers trying to push their new character in order to make them a breakout hit by making them more competent, look better, act better and be more right than the title character of the book they've inserted them into. One too many writers thought they were making the next Wolverine or the next Deadpool or the next whoever, and as a result people just assume if you insert in a new character into an existing book and they're shown being just as if not more capable than the title character it's because yet again an artist thinks they've got the most brilliant idea in the world and just want to use the character the fans actually paid to see as a glorified advertisement.

Ironically, it's a similar problem legacy characters face. Most people know that in addition to changing their race, because of course they're going to, the new writers are going to show off the new legacies as being better in every way shape and form from the one the fans grew up with and actually enjoy. Because you can't have a black Spider-Man who's weaker than the white one before him, so he's now got an insta-win ability that means he's so much stronger than the one before him and so on and so forth. People groan when new legacies come around for the same reason they groan when author OC heroes come around, they know it's not going to be about the story, but jacking off their new creation to show how great it's going to be and how this is the 'new hot thing'.

Obviously, this isn't the case with everyone, and it's unfair that so many get lumped in with this stereotype due to just having a vague similarity, but thanks to how books are advertised it's impossible to tell who genuinely just needs a new OC to introduce a new element to the story not possible with any of the established ones, or who wants to create a new legacy out of an existing name that has it's own unique, individual story to tell, and what's twenty pages of wank.

I feel like the people who complain about Sam's comic being "Black Lives Matter" in tone aren't very familiar with Sam's character.

Black Swan isn't too bad, the only problem is with the incursions done she has no purpose. What would she even do in the current 616?

>My OC can't possibly be this cute!

Fuck off to The Dying and the Dead and The Black Monday Murders apparently.

Meanwhile her brother is Death incarnate in East of West.

It's all about how well they integrate themselves. Take Harper Row for example, no matter how hard they pushed her she just never connected with any of Gotham.

>Smaller not is that other writers tend not to care about recent OCs so usually only the creator uses them and that can be seen as forced among readers.
Kind of like how people were fine with or at least tolerated Goldballs in X-Men, but then Bendis just had to shove him in Miles Morales' book and treat him like a super awesome dude that Ganke fanboys over and tells Miles' secret instantly.

Harper Row got introduced way too fast for my liking, she felt forced upon the reader. And the way they showed how competent she was felt like it completely ruins any chance for character growth.

Not to mention the bitch gets away with using a fucking shock rifle.

>What would she even do in the current 616?
Hook up with maximus

This user covered it pretty well. Also existing characters have the benefit of having had a long time and many artists to refine their design and personality to a point that is generally more liked. A lot of OC designs seem to kind of go into extremes of either being generic, or standing out too much.

Also can we post more OCs? I'm liking this guy so far.

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Don't forget, Ganke only acted like a faggot because Goldballs was a fat guy too.

Does Bendis drink? Like, a lot?

>Friendly reminder that Morrison wants to fuck the DC Universe

underrated post

>Why is there such a stigma among Marvel and DC fans for "OCs"? New canon characters?
Because they're rarely actually any good, and writers tend to make them REALLY IMPORTANT GUYS I MEAN IT for just one arc for no reason at all other than that it's their speshul OC, and afterwards they're never ever used again. Your picture is the perfect posterchild for that.

Because Big Two fans are averse to change and anything new.

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1. Writers often shill their creations over already established characters

2. Comic fans are almost always characterfags. They follow characters and want their characters to be well written and, depending on the character, better than everybody else

3. The OC takes page space away from established characters

4. Sometimes the writer does a piss poor job and doesn't flesh out the OC enough

Not necessarily the same people complaining about both.

On the flip side, some people just aren't happy enough to like things.

>REALLY IMPORTANT GUYS I MEAN IT for just one arc

That makes sense, though. If a character isn't important to their introduction story what would be the point of them being in it?

What are good OCs?

Section 8

Stargirl

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but that's just Femto

Nigga that's Femto, it's the phantom of the paradise.

>other writers tend not to care about recent OCs so usually only the creator uses them
More janna body never.

The only honest answer.

who?

Magical psychiatrist from zatanas last ongoing she lives on neutral ground and helps out mages with there mental problems (in zatannas case her fear of puppets)
Seeing somebody just walk past the villan they are currently dealing with in the waiting room was glorious.

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1. Cause they tend to suck
2. Because the author tends to prefer them over the established characters people love.
3. People are smart enough to know they won't stick around once another writer takes over so they know better than to get attached.

Poochy basically.

But like everything it's just about quality. Look at Morrisons Batman run. Filled to the brim with OCs but avoided all of three of the pitfalls. The villains were given mad hype and all the ones who lasted at all were pretty damn interesting but he maintained the Jokers iconic status and even made him fresh and interesting by having him be the wildcard and not main villain for once.
Then he even cleaned house and killed off the biggest addition before leaving, but the next author actually brought him back he was so well received by that point. That's how you do OC.

I prefer new characters. I always liked that manga will end a characters story or move onto a new character. I wish we could have a definitive end to a comic book character's story without them coming back to life or whatever but then that character loses potential money so a company would never do that. I liked new characters like bunker and whenever a new character takes on an old character's costume and name, like with the blue beetles.

that's... factually right

I really liked Hickman's OCs. They went out pretty well too, killing a beyonder in a suicide mission.

The only time people tend to complain about OCs is when they feel like they're taking too much focus or are too powerful.
So you introduce an OC that's all of a sudden able to outshine established heroes or they're causing city destroying catastrohes? They show up and suddenly the protagonist thinks they're the hottest shit ever and they totally click in a way they rarely did with anyone else? People think it's the writer trying hard to make the OC relevant. Doesn't help if the OC might just plain old be a bad character.

Spider cop spider cop does whatever a spider cop does can she put you under arrest yes she can shes a cop look out here comes a spider cop

That shit has already sailed with big two characters. They have been around for so long they're already icons and their adventures won't ever finish.

>I always liked that manga will end a characters story or move onto a new character.

No they fucking don't. At least, none of the big ones.

When they finish up the main character story 9 times out of ten the story is over. If they do continue it, they make it about the character's kid, and sometimes even then they'll revert right back afterwards!

You're just asking for new series. That's all. For the 'Naruto' of the world to end and then sometime later something else comes along, unconnected to that in any way shape or form. Unless you want to read about the MC's kids, that world is pretty much done.

That's not liking new characters, that's liking new SERIES.