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>you will never hear ahsoka call anakin sensei

Who has it worse, the dead ones or the not canon ones?

So basically Kanan gets his "sight" back and they ditch the Sith Holocron, after Ezra is a badass for about 10 minutes.

Back to status quo we go. Status quo where Ezra's extra hair is now on Kanan's face.

The entirety of season 3 is meant to be centered around Ezra struggling with the dark side. I doubt the Sith holocron is gone for good, and Kanan's force sight was mentioned by both Pablo and Dave (as well as Freddie Prinze Jr) at the end of season 2, so that detail was already to be expected.

Japanese dub?

Well we do see the holocron in scenes with Maul, where he and Ezra are apparently using it and another holocron for some meditation thing.

Ezra is dead. He is not coming back to the light. All Hail Ezra Dark Lord of the Sith.

Yeah, exactly.
Plus the Bendu was giving me some weird vibes about it as is?
So I doubt leaving it in it's presence will do anything but backfire.

ORDER 66 GAS THE JEDI CLONE WARS NOW

I know it won't happen because it's a kids show, but it would be so refreshing if Ezra goes darkside and doesn't come back.

Ezra has become DARK SIIIIDEEEEEED!

Sheev wouldn't like that one bit

Kanan didn't get his sight back, he merely reconnected with the Force after Tom Baker helped him get his groove back. They are also neither done with the Bendu nor the Sith Holocron. We've still heard Bendu lines that haven't happened and we already know Maul and Ezra combine a Jedi holocron with the Sith holocron. Hell, the next episode is titled The Holocrons of Fate.

I don't know if I'd call it refreshing since that's basically just Anakin 2.0

I doubt the Bendu will succumb. I do think whatever is in that holocron will lead to its demise somehow.

He is not coming back, like The Clone Wars, Rebels is getting dark, and I dont think Disney XD is so dumb to letting go this great story arc

Except, he is going to be a light sider, just probably not a Jedi.

>Back to status quo we go.
Maul is back next episode and he's going to try to kill Kanan again after taking the Ghost crew hostage, so he can be with Ezra again. That's sure to fuck with Ezra some more

Yeah, but that happened in reverse to the public eye. Not to mention it was mainly in the movies.

But for an innocent kid to turn evil and probably kill his friends would be somewhat refreshing for a kids show.

I hope so.

Anyone have the comparison picture of Thrawn in the premiere with and without pupils?

Does anybody know when the iTunes version will be up?
I was waiting for the 1080p before I downloaded the ep.

Just wait for it it's already been leaked that Thrawn fucks up destroying the rebellion and so the Emperor has Vader slash him across the face, blinding him and causing his fully red, pupil-less eyes. He can no no longer see or appreciate the artwork he so loves.

>because it's a kids show
A kids show where the protagonist murdered ~19 people, some of which were killed when he puppeted one of them around and then made that guy commit suicide.

face it Cred Forums Ezra is the new Dark Lord of the Sith

Kanan?

Source: My ass

I don't know.
Storm Troopers are hardly shown as "people". The helmet helps with that.

Nobody sees Luke Skywalker as a murderer even though he's cut down countless Storm Troopers.

>Tom Baker

Wow, I didn't even recognize that was his voice. I wonder if the Bendu's into spanking, too.

Why would someone post information they found in your ass? I find this scenario highly dubious.

Palpatine can eat dick, Ezra has claimed his throne as Dark Lord of the Sith

He's been asleep for a very long time, so yes his morning chub was ENORMOUS. If Kanan wasn't already blind the sheer majesty of the sight would have struck him sightless. And doubly fortunate Kanan being blind meant he had no idea the Bendu was secretly taking care of said chub the entire time. That's the real reason the spiders were staying as far fucking away as they were from him.

>yfw Luke kills Ezra between Episode 5 and 6

Did anyone think Tom Baker's acting to be a bit... off?
He spoke a bit too fast and it seemed like they had trouble syncing him with Freddy's lines and the animation.

It reminded me of his performance at the end of the Doctor Who 50th Anniversary special.

what

The Sith Holocron taught Ezra two of Palpatine's favorite tricks. Mental domination and aerial saber spins.

>I known you're Fulcrum Kalus
>I've known since I saw your pornography

That tends to be what happens when you're really fucking old.

Yeah, I know that's the reason behind it.

It's just sad to see talented people grow old.
Almost more sad than them dying.

>Show confirmed to last beyond ANH
>Yet Ezra and Kanan are nowhere to be found in Ep 5 and 6

It's easy to forgive 4 since it happened in a compressed enough time that you can just say they were too far away to help in the death star battle.

Assuming they don't kill the cast off this season I can only assume that if they don't bullshit a reason Ezra will go Darkside and kill Kanan. Then Luke will kill him during the year or so gap between episodes.

No. I thought he sounded a lot better than I expected given his appearance in Nu Who a while back and also how he sounds in the Big Finish audios. It was a pleasant surprise.

RIP The Rebels

Is there anyplace to watch the new Episode? TPB is letting me down hard.

I don't get why people think they have to die because they aren't in episodes 5 or 6.

There are bound to be a more ex Jedi and other force wielders in the galaxy at that time.

The reason why Luke is the one that goes on that journey is due to a series of coincidences. (Or because the Force causes it)

And the entire Rebel fleet is never seen in one place in the movies.

Psst. We already know he fails to destroy the rebellion.

Yoda has spoken to both Ezra and Kanan through the force. He knows they are there, and that they're Jedi.

He outright states to Luke in VI "When gone am I, the last of the Jedi you will be."

That means that no matter what else happens, Ezra and Kanan have to GTFO before ROTJ.

>And the entire Rebel fleet is never seen in one place in the movies.
What about the second battle of the Death Star?

I imagine Kanan's going to be dead. Ezra's more likely to survive, but I can see him leaving the Jedi path and finding something else- in which case Yoda isn't wrong.

Kanan will die. Ezra will leave the order

Is that the whole fleet though?
It seems like a lot of ships but it only seems to be the size of like 3-4 cells.

Jesus, asshole, we have spoiler tags for a reason!

Kisscartoon.me

Darth Vader is Luke's father.

Palpatine seemed sure that the "entire" rebel fleet was present for the battle.

NO
THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE
HE KILLED LUKE'S FATHER

He did.
From a certain point of view.

user, why must you turn this thread into a house of lies?

His voice is too mumbly.

Kylo Ren is the son of Han and Leia.

Darth Maul doesn't die in TPM.

Boba Fett sucks.

Sabine is a virgin.

I just spoiled all of the Star War for you.

While I'm not one of the anons who found it to be purest sex, I still liked his voice. He's soft spoken, almost a silky kind of sinister, and I never had any problems understanding him, so I was good with it.

>Kylo Ren
*Kyle Katarn
Fixed that for you.

I'd much prefer it if Kanan is forced to kill Ezra on Dagobah after Ezra tries to take Yoda down, but is so grievously wounded in the process Yoda has to euthanize Kanan; Ezra's poisoned spirit becomes the Dark Side fount that Luke enters in Ep V to fight the faux Vader that's revealed to have his face under the mask, embodying the lesson that the Dark Side can consume from within regardless of intentions.

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You're acting like people/kids are completely stupid. They know stormtroopers are actual people still. And even if you use that excuse, you can't deny it still is dark as fuck. Ezra uses the force to puppet one of them around and kill several of them and then makes him commit suicide(another trooper did right before that too). He also outright slices one of the stormtroopers and kills a bunch of them.

>Nobody sees Luke Skywalker as a murderer even though he's cut down countless Storm Troopers.
He never uses a lightsaber directly against stormtroopers like Ezra did in this episode.

>He outright states to Luke in VI "When gone am I, the last of the Jedi you will be."
>That means that no matter what else happens, Ezra and Kanan have to GTFO before ROTJ.
Not necessarily

starwars.com/news/interview-dave-filoni-on-star-wars-rebels-part-2

I think that was only part of the fleet

That's an interesting combination of edgy and pointless. Especially the notion about the lesson, which given Ezra never appears in any of Luke's vision means having Ezra somehow tied to it makes little to no real sense because it only works when the Vader Luke fought turns out to be Luke himself. Not to mention the notion of spirit taints doesn't jive with current canon.

What are the odds of Erza ending up being Snoke? Think about it, disney stated that there will be some sort of connection between Rebels and the new trilogy, so that might be the end game for Erza

>Sabine is a virgin.
Oh I think Imperial Academy spring break says otherwise, chum...

Did you watch TCW? That cave was already like that.

It's also a retread of a very pre-ROTS theory, that Yoda and Dooku would have a rematch on Dagobah in Episode 3 and Dooku's death there is why the cave is strong with the dark side.

IIRC an old Star Wars Tales story about a young Yoda had something similar as well.

I don't remember an episode where Dagobah was visited.

>10 minutes in to the episode and Ezra is going full Anakin

this season gun be gud.

Nah, she was too frigid.
And she regrets that she never slept with Jimmy that night and it's the reason behind the anger issues she clearly has.

Then you didn't watch the entire series. Yoda goes there in season 6 (aka "the lost missions").

>IIRC an old Star Wars Tales story about a young Yoda had something similar as well.
Sort of. It's clearly intended to be Yoda and even has part of Yoda's original name (Minch) but Leland Chee stated it's not actually Yoda. But he does kill some dark Jedi in a cave on Dagobah and that's why it's all creepy, according to this story.

starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Minch

It was the last fully animated arc of the series.

Lol, dudes! My cartoon for kids is dark as fuck! There's no way it isn't actually aimed at adults! People die in it! There are implications! These things are so fucking mature! I swear this justifies and normalizes my internet search history!

[spoilers] This was/is the mantra of the brony's. Is it yours? If so you should take a good hard look at yourself.

I think snoke is going to be a very disappointing reveal, and I think that his role in the new trilogy is going to be a lot less involved than good 'ol Sheev. It just doesn't feel satisfying to have yet another spooky old pale damage sith lord pulling the strings from the background. I'd rather see snoke killed in Ep. VIII and have Ren go completely mad with power, or some other twist. Too much pottery, too much it rhymes and it all gets painfully predictable.

Stop making this thread.

Cool story, bro

Man we've been over that one line so much it's ridiculous. The other user already posted Filoni's view so I'd just add that even within the context of Yoda's discussion with Luke Yoda had already flat out told Luke that he wasn't a Jedi and wouldn't be until he faced Vader. Thus Luke becoming a Jedi wasn't even conditional on Yoda dying.

Personally I find the whole notion of Yoda telling Luke about Kanan and Ezra as silly. He didn't even want them going to Malachor at first. In the comics during Vader Down there's a point where Obi-Wan flat out tells Luke it's too soon for him to be poking around Jedi Temples. They want to teach him themselves, but only when the time is right.

It is Luke's destiny to face Vader and the Emperor alone. He is not meant to lead a Jedi strike team like he's a Jedi General of old. Yoda and Obi-Wan do NOT want another Mace Windu incident which got a bunch of Jedi murdered. And those weren't just Knights, those were full-fledged Jedi Masters.

Holy shit. After reading that page I'm even more glad that the EU is gone.

The problem with all this hand-waving is that you start to get lots of little contradictions that really make this whole joint universe feel unsatisfying. To this day it is really hard to mesh the prequel films together with the OT films since imagining darth vader building C3PO, or Obi-Wan not recognizing R2, and dozens of other things just feel jarring as hell. You have to be smart about making all of these pieces fit together and one of the easy criticisms leveled at Lucas is that he wasn't very smart about how he handled it, apparently throwing continuity away for cheap connections. "Hey we need C3PO in Episode I, how about we have him on tattooine with Anakin?"

Maul is still around looking to corrupt Ezra, who is still an edgelord. And I suspect the Sith Holocron/Bendu will return.

As for Kanan, why should anybody listen to you when you don't PAY ATTENTION TO THE EPISODE.

The entire point was that Kanan learned to get his SIGHT back. And by that he had to learn the the REAL sight he was missing, was the sight of understanding the bigger picture, understanding the clarity of the situation, emotion, ect.

It's like poetry.

>To this day it is really hard to mesh the prequel films together with the OT films
Not really.

>since imagining darth vader building C3PO,
What's wrong with a kid reconstructing a protocol droid from parts he found in a junkyard?

>or Obi-Wan not recognizing R2,
Oh, so you're one of THOSE people who somehow misunderstood Obi-Wan's crystal clear dialogue.

He clearly says he doesn't recall OWNING a droid.

>and dozens of other things just feel jarring as hell.
There's nothing that isn't relatively reconcilable.

It's not really hard to justify Yoda not telling Luke about other Jedi. Again, it wasn't Luke's destiny to run around with anyone else. Not even Leia, Han, or Chewie given Yoda flat out told him that he should leave them to their fate in Cloud City, and Leia was their fabled There Is Another™ spare tire for destiny.

A bigger question would be why Leia wouldn't have told Luke, though in the comics Luke seems to keep his worries about learning how to be a Jedi to himself, even running off on his own to Nal Hutta without telling anyone and getting captured.

I'd agree it's weird how Yoda and Obi-Wan showed no overt recognition of the droids, but at the same time it's easy to pass off as neither wanting to bring up parts of the past. It's not like they ever went into any explicit details of their past with Luke, but telling him about Threepio and Artoo are definitely closer to Anakin and his fate than they wanted Luke to be. Yoda was NOT happy about Luke learning who Vader really was. They don't ever really lie, they just use Certain Points of View to package the truth in a way that best suits how they felt Luke should look at the galaxy.

It's really kind of creepy, at least to me. They really seemed like they were just grooming Luke to be their weapon against the Emperor this entire time. They cared about him, sure, but they were still content with him eventually confronting and killing his own father without knowing the truth, which is pretty fucked up no matter what point of view you try to view it.

This.

>you're one of THOSE people

Look, if you're making a prequel you want to expand and enrich the story that you're familiar with by filling in all kinds of information and broaden the universe so that what happened in those original moves have more weight. This is really hard to do right and the track records for most movie prequels is pretty poor because it's so hard. I'm not really crapping on Lucas here but he created a lot of contradictions and a lot of the things he did for the sake of convenience in the prequel trilogy end up clashing with the original trilogy. If you're a die-hard star wars fanatic and have an encyclopedic knowledge of the universe and all of these characters you can probably find some justifications to clear up some of these, but for most people a lot of these things don't work on a surface level.

>Anakin was a good friend
>Best star pilot in the galaxy
>I don't recall ever owning a droid (he had several)
>C-3PO not only being built on Tatooine, but being built by Darth Vader
>Billions of high tech droids suddenly disappearing within 20 years and there being zero evidence of droids remotely like that in the OT

etc...

If the two trilogies meshed competently there wouldn't be so much noise about how contradictory it all is a decade+ later. These new storytellers need to do a better job to ensure that more mistakes aren't being made.

It may be creepy, but it wasn't intended to be that way, it just appears that way when viewed through the lens of the prequels. Lucas did not plan that far ahead.

The galaxy is a big place, they don't have to be in those movies during those time periods.

Filoni already settled this argument, shut the fuck up about it already.

>I don't recall ever owning a droid (he had several)
He didn't own a droid, he used the Jedi Temples. They were assigned to him like his starfighter and part of his duty and role in the galaxy, not his personal property.

The episode of TCWs when Artoo goes missing helps explain his view. He tells Anakin that those units are a dime a dozen (hey, dimes are canon!). He's one of the most solid Jedi in terms of not forming attachments, though he has his moments (his love of Satine and how he'd have left the Order for her if she'd asked, and his attachment to Anakin left him begging Yoda to send him against the Emperor instead).

Also as for Battledroids not being present in the OT, why would they be? They were stigmatized during the war and the Empire flat out didn't want them around. That's why the Emperor told Anakin to send down a remote shutdown command.

They still exist in the OT era but why the hell would you expect to see any on Hoth or Endor? Are you also pissed that Ackbar and Home One weren't defending Yavin against the first Death Star? It's a big galaxy with a lot going on and there will always, ALWAYS, be more to it than the narrow points of view we gain from the OT. They're telling a very selective series of stories.

I want Ezra to go full dark side

>I'm not really crapping on Lucas here but he created a lot of contradictions
Yet you've failed to name a single one.

>If you're a die-hard star wars fanatic and have an encyclopedic knowledge of the universe and all of these characters you can probably find some justifications to clear up some of these, but for most people a lot of these things don't work on a surface level.
You don't have to be a die-hard fanatic to pay attention to the goddamned films.

>I don't recall ever owning a droid (he had several)
He didn't own those though. Obi-Wan's droids were owned by the Republic. Also >C-3PO not only being built on Tatooine, but being built by Darth Vader
This is not a contradiction, and you've failed to tell my why it's wrong for a kid to rebuild a droid from parts he found in a junkyard.

>Billions of high tech droids
?

Battle Droids aren't high tech besides specialized classes.

>suddenly disappearing within 20 years
Except for their appearance in Rebels. Also, do you not understand what scrapping and recycling is?

>and there being zero evidence of droids remotely like that in the OT

We see the galaxy through an extremely small lense in the OT. We just don't visit any of the worlds that the Clone Wars occurred on.

You offer a good well reasoned explanation using a lot of star wars canon, but how is this communicated through just the movies on that surface level that so many people rely on to tell a complete story? This is part of what I was talking about, the prequels work rather well when you have mountains of supplementary material to add context to everything, but the films themselves are almost completely devoid of it and generate a lot of narrative issues and contradict (on a surface level) the original movies. This should never have happened and you shouldn't need all the other material just to patch up these holes.

Also the battle droids were kind of a big mistake. The clone wars in the OT said nothing about droids and their inclusion not only made the Prequels feel like they existed in a completely different technological universe than the OT but those droids were often a source of a lot of the tonal dissonance suffered in those prequel films. Would have been better if it had been people v. clones or clones v. clones, you could have kept all of the space politics and all of the sith plotting and had a much more interesting conflict. The droids only purpose seemed to be to make this massive galactic conflict more palletable to viewers by make the bad guy forces inanimate and thus very easy to destroy without feeling any sense of guilt or remorse.

The Prequels somehow made Yoda being upset that Luke knew who his father was? How the hell do you parse that logic?

Yoda flat out says he didn't want Luke to know the truth because it's tragic given he must fast his father, he didn't want him to shoulder that burden, but how the hell would Luke have felt about Yoda and Obi-Wan if he learned after the fact that he killed his own father? And they knew and let him do it! Arguably they wouldn't care if he hated them as long as he fulfilled his destiny, because the important part for them was that he fulfilled his destiny. They were using their New Hope as a weapon that entire time.

Plus it was a flat out stupid decision. They should have told Luke the truth and explained him around to their way of thinking. Why? Because if the Emperor or Vader ever learned the truth they'd use it as a psychological weapon against Luke, and during his confrontation with the two he did NOT need to suddenly doubt his teachers veracity.

None of that needs the Prequels at all.

"Jedi" isn't singular.

He could just be telling Luke that he considers Luke the torchkeeper of the "last of the Jedi", as in he believes he can lead who remains. Yoda isn't a retard, he knows that Luke can't be the only force-sensitive left in the Galaxy. I don't get why people thought Luke was ever supposed to be the literal last Jedi from that line. It wasn't true in the EU, and it shouldn't be true in Canon.

Luke is just the guy who brings the Jedi back. Almost like, ahem, RETURN of... the... JEDI?!?!?!

JJ ruined it with what happens to the Jedi before TFA anyways, so whatever Yoda meant, JJ took a big steaming pile of shit on it, and Luke, and Kanan, and every Jedi being written Pre-TFA.

>Yet you've failed to name a single one.
"And he was a good friend"

>Battle Droids aren't high tech besides specialized classes.

They were high tech in the sense that they weren't plastic bins with English people inside of them with blinking light bulbs and dryer ducting. The droids in the prequels look -nothing- like the droids we see in the OT and make it feel like a completely different universe. The technology in the prequels should have been informed by the OT and scaled back. If you were making a WWI movie and only had WWII footage to go from you aren't going to create more advanced looking tanks and planes and ships.

Yoda really didn't want Luke to know because he was afraid Luke would be unable to kill his own father. It was true. However, Luke's compassion ended up freeing Vader from his hatred.

>You offer a good well reasoned explanation using a lot of star wars canon

You assume it needed to be communicated in the OT, which is a mistake. The only reason their familiarity with either droid would have mattered to Luke is for them to tell him a the story of the past, a story they didn't want him to know. at least not beyond the carefully packaged points of view they wanted.

We always knew Obi-Wan and Yoda were willing to "lie" and the droid's backstory doesn't really off anything special to the plot. The two droids were always Tahei and Matashichi from The Hidden Fortress, there for the entire story but more or less tangential to the more dramatically/thematically important players.

>And he was a good friend
The prequels didn't change this, though. He considered Anakin a good friend and considered Vader to be basically a different person. He says this in ROTJ.

ROTJ is another matter entirely, after that divorce Lucas wanted to wrap everything up in a very hastily wrapped big bow. We were going to have Episodes VII - IX to flesh out what was really going on with the last of the jedi, with Luke's sister who wasn't Leia, and with Luke's own trials with the dark side.

And again the prequels were not even partially written at that time. Lucas was fully intent on walking away from Star Wars and the fact that it endured was not his plan at all.

None of that is any sort of contradiction.

>"And he was a good friend"
This is displayed in the PT. Obi-Wan considers Anakin a good friend and we see them acting like good friends.

>The droids in the prequels look -nothing- like the droids we see in the OT
We hardly see any droids in the OT that aren't astromechs/GONKs or Protocol droids. We do see relatively thin droids though.

Other droids we see are pretty much like OT ones. But this also kind of makes sense, because the PT shows us more populous worlds that may have access to better droids.

>The technology in the prequels should have been informed by the OT and scaled back.
It kind of was, within reason. Considering the prequels are only 19 years before the OT, technology can't look too scaled back(especially when we see the richer, better off worlds more often in the prequels).

It doesn't matter why it happened, my point is that "he was a good friend" isn't something that the prequels contradicted. The contradiction and hasty explanation of it (which even Luke calls bullshit on) happened long before the prequels.

>They were high tech in the sense that they weren't plastic bins with English people inside of them with blinking light bulbs and dryer ducting. The droids in the prequels look -nothing- like the droids we see in the OT and make it feel like a completely different universe.
You're forgetting the fact that Lucas neither envisioned the droids in such shoddy terms nor would he have shown them that way if he could have avoided it (making allowances for the fact that most of the droids we see are hardly battledroids outside of arguably IG-88 who like the rest of the bounty hunters besides Boba just stands around). When Lucas felt that technology was right to not only tell the Prequels how he envisioned them he also redid quite a bit of the OT, too. You might be familiar with the Special Editions. He certainly couldn't replace everything, but he added quite a bit. I, for one, appreciate the far more opened up Cloud City.

Really though your argument is pretty damn flawed. The worlds we see in the OT are Tatooine, a desert dump, Yavin, undeveloped except for the hidden rebel base, Hoth, an icy dump, Dagobah, a swampy dump, and Endor, a nightmare forest world where teddy bears hunger for flesh. Of all of the original locals only Cloud City was particularly modern looking (outside of the ships or Death Stars) but why would you expect to see Battledroids in Cloud City?

The Star Wars galaxy is smaller than ours but still fucking huge and the Prequels helped expand what we were aware of. If it had simply remained to the same asesthetic and general levels of technology we see in the mostly shitty parts of the galaxy we saw in the OT, well, you'd be stuck largely with TFA all over again. George may not have done the best job telling the story of the Prequels but god damn did that man have a vision and breathed as much life into it as effects technology of the day allowed him. TFA felt like it was regressing, shrinking the galaxy, making it feel small and poor.

Biggest contradiction to me was"Obi-wan once thought as you did."

No he didn't, he immediately went to kill Vader. Unless Vader confused Obi-wan with Padme

>It wasn't true in the EU
Funny how no one remembers this and thinks posts episode 3 Jedi are a canon thing only.

>JJ ruined it
Ok, stop this meme.
Something big like Luke's Jedi students all being massacred would have been decided by someone like the story group since it has a big effect going forward with the rest of the trilogy

I like how Filoni and the others have explained Vader, especially Ahsoka's reaction to him. He is such a different person now he FEELS different in the Force. Obi-Wan still feels like Obi-Wan, and Ahsoka, for as changed as she is, still was recognizable to Vader when their minds touched through the Force in the season 2 opener. Anakin is just this tiny spark buried beneath the monster that is Vader, at least until Luke manages to rekindle it.

>he immediately went to kill Vader.

No he didn't. He tried to reason with Anakin before and through the entire fight.

Story Group doesn't dictate story, their job is just to maintain continuity. They've said this before- creative decisions by Abrams, Filoni, Gray, etc are all their own choices, LSG is just there to make sure their works don't contradict each other (and to a lesser extent what EU stuff is being left out).

I wish it were possible that Yoda and Obi-Wan never told Luke about surviving Jedi because they knew (through the magic of being Ghosts) that Luke was going to get his New Order fucked up. But Luke is too public in the post OT canon, and his new Jedi aren't hidden. It would be too easy for others to hear about them. Whether they'd be keen to join or not...

It's also why I wish they'd have shown Maz using the Force, at least indicating that if there weren't Jedi (beyond Luke) then at least the Force was still being put to good use by individuals.

>Yoda goes into exile on Dagobah so he won't be found.
>Everyone and their mother shows up on Dagobah
Was Yoda the fucking tour operator for Dagobah?

And then in Vader's dream/fantasy/vision moment Obi-Wan just chucks him in the lava. Good times, good times.

Doesn't really add anything to what you were saying but I enjoyed that bit of the Vader comic, especially when he ends up fighting himself and Anakin still ends up crippled and burned. Anakin, even in a vision, just cannot catch a break.

>When Lucas felt that technology was right to not only tell the Prequels how he envisioned them he also redid quite a bit of the OT, too.

Which was totally his right to do, but if you have to re-do your original movies in order to attempt to make your upcoming prequel movies even seem remotely similar that isn't a good sign. Again, you can maintain a cohesive design aesthetic and still do a shitload of world building. Why the hell do the proto-x-wings look more advanced than the x-wings we see in the OT? Why couldn't he have designed them to look more like z-95 headhunters or something that people would easily recognize as an earlier iteration on a familiar beloved design? Why couldn't battle droids (if he -had- to have them) look more like IG-88, or more sinister looking protocol droids, something that looks like it could possibly exist in the OT films which were designed with the limitations of 70's effects technology.

He established a whole universe, and then with each new step re-wrote the rules for that universe over and over again. It may not bother you, but it bothers the fuck out of me. Fantasy universes thrive off of building cohesive, consistent worlds for you to explore and have adventures in, the star wars universe is neither of those things when it easily could have been if not for Lucas' self-loathing of his original work and his arrogance in handling the prequels.

If you haven't read "How Star Wars Conquered the Universe" you really should.

Carrie Fisher panel interview. She dishes out a good amount of information about Episode 8

youtube.com/watch?v=y9sHy86D0_8

Mmm, these are the kinds of discussions I like.

Pretty much
youtube.com/watch?v=oLpe6QLPrPw

>you have to re-do your original movies in order to attempt to make your upcoming prequel movies even seem remotely similar that isn't a good sign
That's not why he did it, though. Not even remotely. It wasn't about making the PT seem plausible, he was doing that either way. He wanted to elevate (that was his intention anyway) the OT closer to his original vision. Because if he'd have had the money, and just as important the effects technology, the OT would have looked like the Prequels.

It's like Tatooine is supposed to be the galactic equivalent of Kyrgyzstan, a literal "nowhere" but it is featured more often than any other planet in all of Star Wars.

People that write star wars, including Lucas himself love making this universe as small as they possibly can because we gotta get all those references in!

>Why the hell do the proto-x-wings look more advanced than the x-wings we see in the OT?
Only if you look at them in the most shallow way possible.

>Why couldn't he have designed them to look more like z-95 headhunters or something that people would easily recognize as an earlier iteration on a familiar beloved design?
That would've been mostly EU fans, though. Besides, Headhunters look like ass, they're really boring and unimaginative designs. I'm so glad we got the ARC-170 instead.

Read the book, He made the special editions to get some quick money injected into Lucas Film, to train ILM on how to do CGI effects since seeing Jurassic Park made him realize that he could start making the prequels in '93, and because it allowed him a way to market ANH without having to pay any money to his ex-wife who had royalties attached to the original film. He did not do it out of any kind of desire to "elevate" the film to his original vision. The things added in the OT have zero effect on the story or the characters and are mostly CGI sideshows and small gimmicks. He didn't even try to re-edit the film to get it closer to his original vision instead of the vision that was produced by his ex-wife and the other award winning editors that had to step in to re-do his picture from the ground up.

>but if you have to re-do your original movies in order to attempt to make your upcoming prequel movies even seem remotely similar that isn't a good sign.
He didn't though? Many of the alterations done to the films have simply been improving dated effects and fixing other errors of that kind. Also this>Why the hell do the proto-x-wings look more advanced than the x-wings we see in the OT?
They don't? ARC-170's require 3 pilots and an astromech while X-wings require 1 pilot and an astromech

>Why couldn't battle droids (if he -had- to have them) look more like IG-88, or more sinister looking protocol droids, something that looks like it could possibly exist in the OT films which were designed with the limitations of 70's effects technology.
Battle droids fit in fine with OT droids. Hell, in TPM some of them were even puppeted.

As much as I love the ARC-170s they didn't look more advanced. They looked slower and clunkier than X-Wings. Sure they had a rear gunner which would have helped during the trench run on the Death Star but again the looked slower and didn't show any overall extra hardiness or offensive capability (beyond having a dude to shoot behind them). The s-foils didn't even spread out the guns any and the X-Wings had four forward lasers while the ARC had only the two. It really benefited from being slimmed down and at least for every one X-Wing that is shot down three rebels don't die.

Frankly ARCs seemed more like a weird design blend of the X-Wing and the snowspeeder. And it didn't really bother me, and why should it? If this one ship is somehow a complication you cannot handle, no wonder you're having problems. I guarantee you most people are not this, well, I hesitate to use the word autistic but...narrow-focused? Obsessed?

X-Wings need an astromech?

You know, Star Wars and Metal Gear have lots of similarities there.

Seriously?

Holy fuck, my brain just broke.
I confused X-Wing with Tie Fighter.

Okay, first off that isn't even a contradiction and neither does it have anything to say about what you claimed earlier as his reason for making the Special Editions. It also doesn't explain why he kept doing it.

Granted he was testing the waters of the special effects technology, but the effects used in the SE, and the staff he had performing the work, weren't the same. It also would cost him money to make the SEs when he frankly didn't need it anyway. It was Star Wars. He could get as much money as he wanted and set his own terms, unlike with his first deal with Fox. He did prefer to use his own money as much as possible, but the first SE installment came out in 1997 with just two years until Episode 1 was released, so the design overlap is incredibly tight for him to expect to fully train up his people. Also Jurassic Park? Really? You do realize ILM worked on the effects for that movie, don't you? His people already had knowledge of CGI. They were the cutting edge of it.

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In terms of pure design language the design on the left is more advanced looking than the design on the right. Normal people aren't going to know or care that more pilots = worse, or that 4 dinky looking guns is better than 2 big ones. The left design has more fins, a sleeker body shape, isn't boxy and bulky which is something we associate with old technology like VCR's, 80's cars, old computers, etc...

"Why does everything look more advanced if it's older?" was a common complaint leveled at TPM when it came out, I know because I was there scratching my head and trying to come up with an answer. The naboo fighters looked way the hell cooler and more effective than y-wings or x-wings, and the droid star fighters were way the fuck cooler than tie fighters and interceptors. You can claim that Lucas had a vision and executed a design that was supposed to mirror high society under the republic with high design that decayed over time to get to the OT, but this probably wasn't a great idea because it doesn't seem to have resonated.

>Frankly ARCs seemed more like a weird design blend of the X-Wing and the snowspeeder
Probably intentional, considering how V-wings were basically a blend of a TIE fighter and an A-wing.

X-Wings don't NEED an astromech, but they sure help. It's just a mechanical co-pilot who additional functions and power distribution taking a fuck ton of the load of the pilot having to baby their complicated starfighter mid-battle. Ironically it's better to say that the astromechs don't really need the pilots since they can fly the ships too (but of course droids won't necessarily be ace fighter pilots either so the meat bag has uses).

>he frankly didn't need it anyway.

Lucasfilm wasn't rolling in money in the mid 90's, it had been a decade since their last profitable movie. They made a hilarious amount of money off of the special editions since all they had to do was put a few million dollars worth of in-house SFX work into existing pictures and properties with no other development and then re-release them, they made hundreds of millions of dollars.

>Also Jurassic Park? Really? You do realize ILM worked on the effects for that movie,

ILM made 60 shots of dinosaurs, there was more SFX work in the special editions of star wars than Jurassic Park, it was an easy way for Lucas to kill 2 birds with 1 stone, get ILM more experience, and make a lot of money. Again the point here is that he wasn't doing this to try and "correct" or "elevate" the original trilogy movies.

>laser cannon shot explodes directly beneath his feet
>instead of being vaporized or blown to pieces he just starts flying upwards out of the episode like team rocket
Well, there goes my hope that season 3 would be any good.

I always like how the Jedi Starfighters have some design input on the TIEs. The cockpit design and even the goofy little mini-flaps on the wings. Oh, and of course Yoda's itty bitty Jedi ship. I like to think it was a personal gift from the Chancellor as a joke.

"Here you go my, little green friend, have a little grey ship."

And then in the coming decades its larger "cousins" will be happily subjugating the galaxy

Fun fact: Thrawn was voiced by Mads Mikkelsen's brother.

You're willing to admit that Lucas could have more than one intention in mind, "killing 2 birds with 1 stone", but unwilling to accept that any part of his wish for the Special Editions was to "elevate" or "correct" them, despite the fact that they continued making variations on the OT well after Episode III was released.

There are a lot of things that he could have done to "elevate" or "correct" the OT, instead he added goofy droids, shoved a poor looking CGI Jabba into the movie that did nothing but much up the pacing and ruin his reveal in RotJ same with a pointless boba fett, made greedo shoot first, added that fucking "NOOOOOOOOOOO" to ROTJ, and did some admittedly good CGI touch-ups to some of the space battles and made Cloud City look like a real place. But really that's him "elevating" the material? You can't honestly believe that his intention to finally "fix" that first movie he felt so bad about was the sum of the changes that we saw. It just doesn't add up.

Is Ezra going to become an admiral and pull a Yang Wenli against Thrawn?

>But really that's him "elevating" the material? You can't honestly believe that his intention to finally "fix" that first movie he felt so bad about was the sum of the changes that we saw. It just doesn't add up.

You obviously don't have much love lost on the Prequels, claiming they don't seem Star Wars enough for you, and yet you're seriously confused that George would do things with the OT you didn't approve of?

You're just a jumble of contradictions, user.

>I dont know what aesthetic is: the post

twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/732747526374199297

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His grievances with ANH are well documented, and yet those weren't the things he went back and changed with his special editions, that's the point I'm trying to make.

So what do you think he should have fixed based on his grievances?

> You can claim that Lucas had a vision and executed a design that was supposed to mirror high society under the republic with high design that decayed over time to get to the OT, but this probably wasn't a great idea because it doesn't seem to have resonated.

user you didn't read my post. I know -what- Lucas was trying to do. I'm saying it was the -wrong- thing to do. Perhaps if the prequels had been better movies and had managed to sell that 1920's high society aesthetic through more than just the ship designs but through characters as well maybe it would be viewed as a really cool and awesome design choice for the prequels. But because we had "roger roger" droids, scheming cartoon aliens, odd slapstick humor, strange tonal swings, inept creepy jedi monks, a 1950's diner, and dozens of other strange choices that whole aesthetic didn't really shine through and didn't resonate.

Again the prequels had good ideas executed very poorly. Lots of people here seem to be focused completely on that first part, and forget the second.

>Thrawn shows up

So how much is and isnt canon now? Its so confusing.

>I'm saying it was the -wrong- thing to do.
That' a subjective judgement. It was the wrong thing - FOR YOU Bane - but it obviously wasn't for Lucas. Given that most of us here enjoyed TCWs and thus generally don't mind the PT Era, even if we surely find the movies themselves flawed, well you're pretty much preaching against the choir. Based on what Pablo has told us, and I'm sure that other user will happily provide you with his tweet, the PT and the OT are about equally liked in the US (varies by demographics) and are actually more liked overseas.

TCW and Rebels have always been very weird about blaster damage. One day you'll have hand blasters smashing huge rocks to pieces not unlike the OT, another day you'll have starfighter lasers merely slightly scorching the ground.

So far the only canon material that contains Thrawn is Star Wars: Rebels S03E01&2 (I assume this was two episodes in one).

Nothing else.

Just whatever they're bringing.

I just hope they never bring Force kryptonite lizards back.

Just because they introduce things from the old EU doesn't make anything else related to that thing NuCanon except when explicitly stated.

They aren't. Filoni talked about it at Celebration. But you seem them over his shoulder in the trailer has a nod to them from the EU.

Thrawn himself is canon, none of the books he appeared in previously are canon.

Giant force sensitive buffalo man that talks to Kanan is canon.

Thrawn Trilogy is not.

Oh we're discussing film and fantasy, it's all going to be subjective. I actually like the expanded universe stuff around the prequels. I just happen to think that the prequels are some of the most impressively bad films ever made considering how much potential there was to do them right. Just getting tired of people heaping praise on those movies because they are getting confused by how good the material surrounding them is and mistake that for being attributed to the movies.

And yes demographics does play a large role, I'm older so my view on the prequels is tinged by a lot of "what could have been" because when I was a kid the prequels were these limitless things that were going to take Star Wars and make it amazing and improve upon all of the things that we already loved. Instead it kind of hit with a dull thud and over time a new generation has come to love them likely because there were no expectations.

>It's really kind of creepy, at least to me. They really seemed like they were just grooming Luke to be their weapon against the Emperor this entire time. They cared about him, sure, but they were still content with him eventually confronting and killing his own father without knowing the truth, which is pretty fucked up no matter what point of view you try to view it.

Agree with you there, the Jedi always were a bit creepy and morally dubious when examined up close. Like the whole taking recruits as babies, there's a strong whiff of implied coercion involved in that since mother's aren't known for willingly giving up their babies unless there's some cultish devotion going on, they know they're incapable of providing a suitable upbringing, or they expect their kid to come back rich. Because if they aren't coercing people then we should definitely see prominent force sensitive people who aren't Jedi. Another thing, how do they suppress competing religions regarding the force, clearly there isn't anything close to religious freedom since there aren't competing force schools, which there should be at least as many as there are worlds with force sensitives (not just bum fuck dathomir but in actual civilized space) and many schisms from within the Jedi order (not just Sith). I guess one of the Jedi secrets they really don't like talking about are their own inquisitors stamping out any and all heresy against the Jedi council since they did a far better job at keeping the galaxy council aligned than the Vatican at keeping Europe Catholic aligned.

Thank goodness.

He died. He flew up into the air and then over the edge. He met the same fate as those stormtroopers Ezra puppeteered around.

> I know -what- Lucas was trying to do. I'm saying it was the -wrong- thing to do.
For you. Many people liked it.

>Perhaps if the prequels had been better movies
But they're already rather decent movies. It's mostly subjective in any case.

>and had managed to sell that 1920's high society aesthetic through more than just the ship designs but through characters as well
He kinda did? The Prequels have a lot of elements of old serials.

>"roger roger" droids, scheming cartoon aliens, odd slapstick humor, strange tonal swings, inept creepy jedi monks, a 1950's diner,

Really? You're resorting to complaining about things now? Especially when they're very subjective and you're using biased, simplified wording?

Fantasy and film aren't what make this subjective, it's the opinions of things such as quality. Whether you like to admit it or not much of your posts have been fatally flawed by you bandying your opinions as facts.

We can agree to disagree. It was clear long ago neither side was going to sway the other.

who?

they were the best though

No one here has facts, it's all subjective. I may love the fact that jar jar gets farted on by a space camel, doesn't devalue your opinion to say that space camel farts detracted from the podrace sequence.

The voice in the holocron is totally Mother Talzin's, right?

"Sleekness" is a 50's thing, and a lot of the "sleek" designs of the prequels (Naboo starships, clone armor, ARC-170s) look straight out of 50's sci-fi.

If Filoni kills my huasbando, I'll kill him

Somebody needs to remake this cover with Ezra stabbing a storm trooper with his light saber.

>a stormtrooper will die on every page!

user don't tell me you cant recognize that voice

>@pablohidalgo 3637 BBY Eternal Empire Walker (prequels); 4 ABY Galactic Empire Walker (originals)
>@ctswlu that aesthetics of that game never made sense to me.
Direct. Why so based Pablo?

Pablo's examples and a lot of the narrative elements used in the prequels are from the 20's and 30's, essentially the rise of fascism, and the militarization of the world as it was coming out of a relatively peaceful and prosperous period before the great depression. The 50's diner was just Lucas being indulgent and going back to his American Graffiti stylings.

Again i really like the idea of the prequels riffing off of the rise of fascism, I just wish it had been executed better.

Don't worry, if there's someone Filoni will never kill that's Maul. And probably Ahsoka.

I like Maul too but he kind of needs to be put down

Theoretically they're possible, but too much of a complication. You cannot negate the Force since everything has the Force within it, it's an essential part of life itself in-universe. You COULD still have creatures that somehow instinctively counteract a variety of Force powers. At the very least we've seen that there are creatures that are apparently resistant to the mental side of the Force (the spiders around Chopper Base were until the Bendu taught Kanan how to "see" them within the Force). And then of course we have species immune to thinks like the mind-trick and not, presumably, because somehow the entire species is strong willed. You could have creatures that seemingly resist the physical powers, too. Some creatures might be naturally resistant to lightning and can create counterforces to things like push and pull and potentially even resist grips by counteracting the telekinetic pressure being applied.

Frankly I think they're far more trouble than they are worth. I mean arguably they are no more troublesome than weird shit like that frog fairy lady Threepio and Artoo ran into during the Clone Wars. Personally I like it when we find seemingly magical creatures that can still be explained as somehow using the Force in ways we don't normally see. Even the Night Sisters did that. But they're better in small doses and I just don't think the Empire employing stuff like that would be appreciated Emperor. Although if there is a creature that can counteract uses of the Force I'd be willing to bet that Sheev can overpower them. He's just on another level entirely.

Either Ezra kills Maul, pushing Ezra irreversably towards the dark side

or

Ezra pussies out, but it will have bad consequences for him that he will have to see for himself

Either way, no matter what happens here, the Rebels are gonna lose

We have facts. You just stated a very simple fact, the fact that Jar Jar was farted on by a "space camel". It's the opinion or judgement of that fact that is subjective.

No, fuck you. His suffering must be eternal

Or a third option: Maul pulls some shit and escapes

>Again i really like the idea of the prequels riffing off of the rise of fascism

But that implies there's a problem with fascism though

He's turning into a punchline because he wont go the fuck away, he's like team rocket from pokemon.

youtube.com/watch?v=p7OBGr5RIfI

Ezra is losing an arm this season, right?

"Oh Ezra, do you think I hadn't learned from our previous encounter? GO GO MAUL COPTER!"

And then Maul's legs transform into helicopter blades using components he salvaged from the Inquisitor sabers and he flies away.

>Maul will continue to appear in Rebels and will have a legacy of some form in Ezra
>Dooku will never get so much as a namedrop

>Team Inky are blasting off again!

>Maul must eternally suffer
>Beaten by Ezra/Kanan teamup
>Survives through the OT becase not a Sith
>Gets beaten by whiny Kylo Ren in some random edge of the Unknown Regions
>This is for you grandfather.

>tfw I legitimately want to see a story from Count Dooku's POV

Never ever.

>helicopter lightsabers
What were they thinking?

His humiliations just keep getting more and more hilarious

I think Dooku is one of the best examples of something that didn't work at all in the Prequel movies turning into legitimately one of the best parts of TCW. A literal nothing B-string villain with a joke name who's only purpose is to muddle the plot and then die after doing nothing becomes one of the most compelling and sinister bad guys in TCW.

Quality isn't as relative a term as you might think. While it's hard to quantify a movie, it can be qualitatively assessed in comparison. You do have the option to go full retard, they did that to the art world when they accepted a toilet seat hung up by a string as being on the same level as the Sistine Chapel. I'm not saying the differences between the OT and PT are that stark, but when you forget that opinions still need to be both sound and valid and don't hold them to the fire of their implications that's how you eventually get to that level of bullshit.

Obi-Wan would have shit his robes if Grievous had pulled that trick on him. Because Grievous would have been a goddam quad-copter!

I'm legitimately curious as to what kind of gimmick lightsabers the Star Wars crew is going to come up with next. Like, literally what else can you do with them now?

And he's going to lose more and more relevance as time goes on. By the time he meets Kylo the only people who even know who he is are historians who are really into obscure shit. Like he doesn't even have a holopedia article.

Hopefully they wake the fuck up to the fact that gimmick lightsabers are ultimately a bad thing.

I never really saw Talzin or her witches as more powerful than either the Jedi or Sith. They are mostly (admittedly very damn good) illusionists, not unlike the mutant humans from Beneath the Planet of the Apes. Meanwhile, Jedi are more like psionic Shaolin monks, with more direct and practical skills. High level Sith are a mix of both.

Also, I loved how, despite all of Talzin's weird and mystical shit, Palps still had no real trouble dealing with her. Yoda was a much greater challenge to him.

It helped that Talzin was trying to out-keikaku him and that never works.

Battle axes

I for one love edgera

Oh sure people have argued for definitive qualities with which to judge art, but there are multiple schools of thought trying to do just this. The fact that there are opposing views and counter-arguments against attempts to create such views should tell you how in reality it is, regardless of how much we might wish it otherwise, it is subjective.

Just ask Supreme Court justice Potter “I know it when I see it” Stewart (but you'll have to employ a ouija board) how hard it is to define matters of art and obscenity in places that require, for their very operation, definitions. Courts are STILL struggling with this, and often employ tangential qualities that seek not to define whether something is art but merely illegal, such as involving a child in a sexual situation (as opposed to Nirvana's cover to the Nevermind album or even facebook's recent scandal involving the famous/infamous "napalm girl"). Gets even weirder when they get abstract, such as wether drawings of children in sexual situations is illegal or not. And of course even if a child involved in such a production could indeed be "art" it would still also be illegal, so there is a point at which the courts just divorced themselves from defining art and obscenity whatsoever for much easier, concrete certain points of view on the matter which hasn't always been the case since nudist groups were taken to court regarding photos of their children in the nude but such pictures, regardless of children involved, were deemed legal by the US Supreme Court because it is part of the nudist lifestyle and thus protected by their First Amendment rights of free expression. Spoilered because this is pushing the matter off-topic even though I'd argue it shows just how tricky this whole situation has proven historically.

Literally dindu nuffin this episode.

And the dark side and teach-mentor tension is already resolved.

This doesn't bode well.

>And the dark side and teach-mentor tension is already resolved
No it isn't.

They weren't more powerful, as such, but they had some damn weird tricks. It hasn't quite been fully defined in canon but from the pieces we've been given in TCWs and Dark Disciple the Night Sisters greatest power was in their Waters of Life, which was them somehow managing to cull parts of an ancient entity steeped in the Force and not only preserving the energies from its flesh but being able to harness them. These are the weird witchy green gases they used in the majority of their rituals. Curiously they are shown to be virtually identical to the Living Force energies harvested by Talzin's cult, which certainly plays into the idea that deprived of the Waters of LIfe after the Night Sisters were destroyed, and her corporeal form losing cohesion, she was forced to use an alternate energy source.

So really it's HOW they use the Force that is so impressive. They can manipulate Force Energies from other sources to an amazing degree, even creating artificial Force Users, and yet the source of the energies aren't from themselves (for the most part) like a Jedi or Sith, but from another source. Their capabilities are impressive and yet limited in other ways. For instance they couldn't very easily spread beyond Dathomir without having another source of energy outside of this one single fish monster.

It's actually pretty nifty, if weird, and you can see why Sidious was interested in hanging out with them until he saw Maul's potential and ran off with him. Classic Sheev.

I'm pretty sure the design of the X-Wing is late Clone Wars. The X-Wing actually appears more advanced because it has greater firepower, more engines, less pilots and a sleeker design.

Also, the ARC-170 and X-Wing aren't comparable. The ARC-170 is heavy strike fighter and light bomber. Notice it's tailgun for defense. Normally that means a fighter or bomber is not maneuverable or fast enough to defend itself. The X-Wing has no such problems since its a general purpose strike fighter that is very fast and maneuverable. It's like comparing a P-47 to a P-51.

>you haven't caught me, I can still use my secret technique!
>oh? What's that?
>...Run away!

Perfection

I prefer the Venture Bros, myself.

SUPER FUCKING RUN AWAY!

The new episode felt kinda rushed. I don't hold that against them though, it looks like they might have bitten off a little more than they could chew. Filoni and crew had a lot they wanted to establish for this season (Thrawn, Ezra grappling with the Dark Side, whatever the hell the Bendu is, Sabine's new hair) and they only managed to get to so much of it this episode, so it wound up a little lopsided.

Still, can't wait for more. Rebels has become one of my favorite shows on TV right now.

The only thing it's missing is mentioning Maul dangling upside down form his helicopter legs and slamming his face into something as he flies away, because Maul just needs that extra bit of humiliation even as he flees.

Maybe gets his horns caught in a tree branch or something.

>The voice in the holocron is totally Mother Talzin, right?
>being this gullible
Ah, foolish jedi scum

There are types of art, definitions for what fits a particular style such as abstract or cubism or whatever else. You can try to define what makes these particular things the type of art they are, but they are already (largely) agreed to be art. It's just defining what kind of art. But defining what art itself is has proven illusive. There are people who will never accept feces smeared on a picture of the Virgin Mary as art. Just as there will never be people who accept the Prequel Trilogies as good, or indeed even as creative (something I personally find hard to accept but I've experienced people claiming just that).

It's why art is usually loosely defined in dictionaries as simply being creative human expression, in which case lies and yes even bullshit technically qualify. What is fiction anyway but a creative lie produced by a story teller? Is it a lie if it was never claimed as the truth? But are there not potentially parts of the story where people find truth? Just ask the people who have managed to push Jedism as a religion.

Though come to think of it combining religion with truth is probably going to set someone off, so this entire topic is probably best put to bed.

>Just as there will never be people who accept the Prequel Trilogies as good
Whoops typo?

Mads Mikkelsen. Guy from Hannibal. Going to be in Rogue One and Doctor Strange. Should have been Doom.

Why is Maul so perfect, bros?

Of course there's no shortage of arguments, look at philosophy where the whole idea of there being a concrete reality independent of whether we perceive it has many detractors.

How you cut to the quick is you ditch dialetic and stick with observation. Peice together enough observations and the truth becomes clearer. Break it down, do you like x, y, and z but don't like a, b, and c then you can start making statements about the nature of different tastes. If a group likes something for the same reasons then it's easy to make comparisons, if they like them for different reasons then comparisons between the people themselves can be made (different types of fans and objective statements about the preferences of those types of fans). Patterns and consistency emerge. Then it's status signaling for who has patrician taste. Being able to see past status signaling and enjoy what you like in spite of what anyone else says is good, but the patterns are real and say as much about ourselves as the medium.

Thanks user

>dindu nuffin
Except successfully lure the rebels into his honey pot

Gr8 B8 M8

Stormtroopers are not seen as people because they are a uniformed mass. Troopers that we see display some personality (like the two Ben distracts on the Death Star, that are gossiping) are left alone, because we see them more as people. But the faceless, laser blast missing masses? they aren't. It's why everyone is fine with our heroes killing them all the time. Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, Ezra, Hera, Kanan, Rex. All of them have straight up killed people on screen, but we don't hold it against them because the Stormtroopers are, to us, faceless, voiceless, and uniform. Little more than robots. Set dressing to give areas more stuff in them. They don't matter, not to us, and not to our characters. Not even to other Stormtroopers.

You may know they're people, but when they die, do you care? Do you see anyone on screen care? Is because of this that it can be said you don't see them as people, and kids don't either. It's the same thing that happens with armies, how you can talk about a hundred thousand people dead and not bat an eye. They're not people then, not really, they're figures, statistics.

It's why having a main character in a movie be a Stormtroopers was a big deal, at least for me. Maybe we'll have a character that can counter the whole faceless mass mentality, be against killing the men and women he'd served and lived with all his life, but nope, he just starts shooting them too.

Every single hero in Star Wars has probably personally killed more people than any of the villains.

yeah pretty much. I called this back in June. It's a kids show, you should have expected it.

That's what a good storyteller does, they tell a completely fictional story in order to communicate truth. The opposite is what a news propagandists does which is tell true stories (even if incomplete) in order to communicate falsehoods. This is why there are timeless stories built on truths while there are also propaganda stories pushed by whichever PTB currently ruling to promote their idea of "truth". That's part of Star Wars original appeal, it quilted together many timeless stories, thus why there is much bickering about decisions to "modernize" it.

>observation
Observation is the ultimate subjective. Is what you see the same as what others see? And I don't mean see as in the base components of what you see, the color, shape or form, but also what it might mean to you. That's where art screws the pooch in this scenario since what you see, what you perceive, what you FEEL from a work of art can be quite varied from person to person. Art is such a personal experience, frankly. And getting to the matter of "I'll know it when I see it." The phrase speaks to a gut feeling that a concrete definition exists, somewhere in the universe, even if expressing what precisely that definition is remains ever elusive. And ultimately I suspect it cannot be anything but subjective, and we need only look to people who argue whether something as abstract as a blank canvas can itself be art.

Ironically Kanan is going through something of this right now. Deprived of his eyesight he has to learn to "see" the world in other ways, and his change in perception alters his very reality in some rather fundamental ways. When they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder I feel it would be more accurate, if a tad whimsical, to modify the statement into, "Beauty is in the mind's eye of the beholder." And if I'm being REALLY whimsical then it's in the Splinter of the Mind's Eye of the beholder. It's not always what you see, the physical properties translated to the brain through the information picked up by the eye, but how the brain interprets it. In that way what YOU see can indeed not be what another person sees, even if you both look at the same object from the same perspective (but obviously not at the same time since that would be awkward), at least if we broaden this to account for the qualities the human mind exerts via its own interpretation.

TCW was a kid's show too. Except everyone dies all the time.

...

cut from TV.

Children's shows have always been violent, kids love violence.

such as?
i'm too lazy to listen to 30 minutes of this

esquire.com/entertainment/movies/news/a34459/george-lucas-star-wars-saga-experimental-roots/

This is kind of a fun article that speaks, briefly on Lucas' intentions with the special editions. I didn't know about his car accident ending his dream of racing. Kind of puts pod racing into a different perspective. Also an interesting take on him as an artist. He certainly kept making his changes even after they proved rather unpopular. He just knows the way he wants things done, and damned if he'll let anyone tell him otherwise. Not always the best quality in an artist, but he hasn't always been immune to people persuading him when to change things.

Also that ending bit about being excited to see The Force Awakens. That poor man. I can see a bit about why he considered it "white slavers" screwing up his baby. As an artist I cannot imagine he appreciated basically retelling an earlier part of the story. I can imagine him struggling with the very concept. The story was already told, and told in the way he more or less wanted to tell it. Why retell it? I think he'd have been much happier seeing something new at least attempted.

War is hell, but there are worse ways than dying while being snogged by a crazy bald alien chick.

Seriously, though, Ventress. That guy may look like an adult but he's only ten. Twelve at the most. That ain't space legal until Sheev creates the Empire to make it space legal.

Wasn't only the kissing part cut from TV?

So are those Imperial personal who are ALL voice by Blum clones?

on TV we see him get pulled from the wall, and then it cuts to him falling in front of her, there's no impalement or kiss, iirc.

Nah, canonically they're human conscripts or volunteers, Blum is just the voice they went with for "Generic Stormtrooper" Which is actually an odd choice, given his popularity and how recognizable he is.

who else has he voiced?

What if kylo was actually talking to a holocron in vaders helmet

It's not so bad. He often voices generic characters in video games and even voiced generics in Star Wars vidja. There's a level of irony that allows me to enjoy him voicing so many random characters.

Besides, I was already used to this from him voicing the bulk of the Vehicons in Transformers Prime. At least being machines designed to all look alike it made a bit more sense.

Shit...there's a lot...Spike from Cowboy Bebop, Wolverine in several X-men things, Starscream in Transformers Prime, Orochimaru in Naruto, more that I don't remember right now...

huh, I yeah i do remember his name for Spike, and Tom.
I can't say I recognize any of the other performances.

Ah yes, Starscream and of course Steve, that one Vehicon that Starscream pushed around all the time, that was one guy, and totally not a different Vehicon every time...

Observations are also what science is built on entirely. As I said, you need to get into philosophical debate about the nature of reality itself to deny that shared observations exist, to deny the patterns. Observations do have their limits (and thus so does science), but they're quite powerful when you know how to use them.

Yes there are the feelings, but we can point to where the feelings come from, good storytellers know exactly where those feelings come from because that's they're trade. The use of a minor key in the music to evoke the feeling of sinisterness, there's quite a bit we humans share in common with each other. The common tools are known (cliche), their effectiveness can assessed by asking, did you feel this here, what about there, if so then you should also feel it over there as well. Human feelings aren't any more random than the number fingers on our hands, we're extremely predictable creatures, the ability to provoke certain feelings in humans can actually be assessed quantitatively. When discussing a movie you might say it a scene was good based on how well it got you to feel a particular emotion. Everything is going to have a particular audience, audiences are often built on things like people who like the previous sets of work aka fans. This is how you can make objective statements like either this scene was executed terribly or they're not including the fans in their audience because we got a significant sample group of fans and they didn't feel it.

Incidentally I actually hate networks over reliance on this not because I don't think it can work but because they're too general, using like/dislike meters, as if what an audience member is feeling at one moment determines how they will feel about something overall, rather they should be measuring the actual feelings (humor, arousal, fear, all very easily measured) the medium is trying to evoke.

He actually has really good range, it would be hard to distinguish some of his voices from others.

I wouldn't know, I don't really care about voice actors, or really anyone that works on these things.

I'm just saying. Non combat clones could be a hell of a lot cheaper.
>The emperor ordered 3 more star destroyers
>fire up the cloning tanks. We're gonna need 30 of the Model B for bridge officers.

They use Master. It's an American loanword to the Japanese.

Integrating the military with society has advantages. They're no longer those clones, they're our boys, big difference.

How do you create a semi-circle in a 3-D plane?

>Yet Ezra and Kanan are nowhere to be found in Ep 5 and 6
The Rebellion's war took place on multiple fronts, idiot.

And as much as it conflicts with what Yoda said it seems they're gonna have them around. Filoni outright said he really didn't care what conflicted with his writing in the original trilogy and is going to do what he wants.

>In charge of super secret Imperial Star Destroyer
>The Rebels fuck it up for him
>Demoted and stuck in a scrapyard
>The Rebels fuck it up for him
Next time we see him he'll be a janitor

he's dead, user.

Did he even make it off the station? Hondo took the shuttle

Yeah, but it would be pretty damn weird for a Jedi in training like Luke not to seek out the the other Jedi in the rebellion.

Was The Rebels stealing the ships part of his plan?

>Ezra is going to kill Bendu because he has his pleasure

Don't worry, Bendu will just regenerate into Peter Davison.

While observation is a part of science we often use tools to do the "observation" for us rather than relying on our biological, ahem, instruments. There is also an entire process of making theories regarding what is observed, testing it, and then testing it over and over because a result being reproducible is crucial, especially by other labs. A great deal of effort is thus expended on approaching what we hope is the truth. It isn't about believing at first glance, after all. And even then we know we have an incomplete view of the universe. What we hold as true today, and which our tests seem to confirm, may prove quite different later on if some currently unknown factor is discovered.

Observation in science is not applied in the same way it is to art, user, to the extent it raises the question of why you are even bringing science into this beyond trying to make some claim about the powers of observation being more reliable outside of art (but again we do a helluva lot of work to verify observations, and try to rely on non-subjective means, which is not something you can do with art). Because unlike science art relies on feelings. There is more art than science in art, user.

If you want to make some point about shared observations, sure. Nobody said people can't agree, after all. But science doesn't care whether you agree with it or not, because regardless of whether you believe in, say, gravity, it still affects you. Art, on the other hand, also doesn't care if you agree with the artist or anyone else because it is a subjective interpretation owing to the person viewing it.

Even as you talk about storytellers exploiting emotions, you should remember that this will hardly be reliable against everyone. Something like Twilight sure as hell sold but it also sure as hell didn't sell with everyone! That's why so much of entertainment is marketing driven. They know not everyone will accept it.

>because he has his pleasure
His Precious?

Honeypot

Well, congratulations! You got your ships stolen! Now what's the next step in your master plan?

Well, he does.
See "Heir to the Jedi".

I recommend you listen to the audiobook though.

Apparently troll /swco/ with discussions about art and science, at least to judge by this thread.

This is the weirdest prequels inspired debate I've ever seen.

Where the hell did EUautists get the idea that you had to be able to use the Force to not just use a lightsaber, but to even turn it on?

>get promoted to grand admiral
>go after rebellion
>allow y-wings to be stolen
>y-wings get sent to dodonna who will eventually command yavin base
>y-wings play part in destruction of death star
>tarkin dies on the death star
>immediately apply to vacancy in the post of Grand Moff
>...
>hondo
>profit

Which Jedi does he meet?

>y-wings play part in destruction of death star
that is to say, all but like two are blown up and they end up not doing shit.

The key to everything i.e. Sarco Plank

Man I was really disappointed when Sarco didn't do anything

none
because Luke, Leia, Han and everyone else needs to believe he's the last Jedi, until meeting Yoda.

Which means that all these other Jedi characters running around can never interact with any of the main characters of the OT and makes them showing up all awkward.

kind of like trying to make the prequels fit with the original trilogy.

>they end up not doing shit.
That's because unlike Thrawn you don't see the bigger picture.

In all seriousness though, what the heck user? The only people who proved crucial to the Death Star run was Luke, and also Wedge and Han for saving Luke on two separate occasions.

So either Ezra and Kanan die/fake their deaths, or Rebel command for some reason keeps their existence a secret for no reason.

basically, Ezra and Kanan will end up being like Ahsoka and just fucking off and not helping, never to be seen again because them being around and taking a more active role would be at odds with the original trilogy.

It's the classic problem of setting your fanfiction before or during the original setting, you have to dance around all the stuff.

Also Obi-Wan. And I guess the Force, too. None of them got medals either. Fuck Leia, the stuck up bitch.

I didn't say he met anyone, but he did seek people out.
The closest he go was he met the son of a dead Jedi and got his Dad's Lightsaber. (I believe this is the canon way Luke got a green Kyber crystal)

Was Darth Maul aware of the fact that his Master was Sheev?

Luke had his pick of crystals.

Yep. He knew about the plans for the clone wars, too. He was pretty disappointed how ultimately inconsequential he ended up being to his Master, too.

Yes, in the Vader comic, Sheev mentions that Maul was a genuine apprentice, and in TCW Maul mentions briefly about their plan to start the Clone Wars, so he had to have known who Sheev was.

So Maul actually could have fucked up Sheev's entire plan if he had actually shared this information with anyone.

>Hello Senator Amidala.
>Please ignore that I am a convicted Sith Lord
>And that I literally look like Satan himself
>I have some information about your friendly old Chancellor!
>J-Just trust me

I was thinking more along the lines of telling his newfound Mandalorian and Black Sun allies.
Or telling Obi-Wan in order to taunt him
>You poor fool, fighting a war not even realizing that you are nothing but pawns in my Old Master's game. That Chancellor of yours you trust so much? He's a Sith Lord! Even if I hadn't returned your demise and that of your Order was inevitable!

Nobody would have believed him and he had no proof. More than that he had no love of the Jedi. He didn't want to save the galaxy, he just wanted revenge. And in his horny, tatted up heart he's still a Sith, which comes with it's own way of doing things. His means of securing vengeance over Kenobi and Sidious was to create his own powerbase. And ultimately Son of Dathomir tells us he was following Mother Talzin's playbook. He was just trying to get Sidious' attention.

>Or telling Obi-Wan in order to taunt him
Dooku did something like that in Episode II. They didn't believe him then either.

>implying all of Luke's visions of Obi-Wan and Yoda aren't just Leia remembering them for him.

truly Leia is strong in the force and not just a late addition and cover up for poor writing.

Dooku didn't actually say
>Btw, Sheev is totally a Sith Lord. I'm just starting this war so that Sheev will have an excuse to increase his powerbase so that he can then proclaim himself Emperor and kill all the Jedi.
He just made vague statements that Sheev and the Senate were bad and he wanted to fight them.

Cause a lightsaber is supposed to be deceptively light and swinging it around madly without without the force can cause you to lose a limb?

It's dumb that any non force using schmuck can use one.

What I was able to show is that factual objective statements can be made about art, it's not just opinion. As you say, as we narrow it down we do see different audiences emerge and those marketers sure as hell use scientific methodology to "appeal" to them. Goes back to what I said before, the patterns say as much about ourselves as they do the medium.

There is an aspect of science that hinges on agreement, the ability to replicate observations (psychology is under fire because of it's inability to do this, social psychology in particular, the cognitive side is comparatively more reliable). Art is very much in the eye of the beholder and it is ultimately the audience that judges it and gives it meaning, taking a life of it's own beyond any original intent. But those things that the audience enjoys can be examined, compaired, analyized, and ultimately objective statements can be made about them (the fans who thought scene A was scary also thought scene B was funny, while fans who thought scene A was funny also thought scene B wasn't funny). It gets to if you like xyz then you'll probably also like abc. From there cohorts of xyz lovers can build hierarchies of which abc does a better job of doing xyz, broken down in enough detail this can be done objectively because of the commonalities.

Where it gets more complicated is when status signaling plays an effect. If z becomes low status then the old xyz lover cohort will be divided by those who want to signal as if they don't like z and those that aren't afraid to signal they like z. Since z is low status z is deemphasized and then you see a new group enter who like xy but hate z. You can see where I'm going with this, as I said before, there are opinions but there are also patterns, the patterns are real.

Luke and Leia. Both four letter names beginning with L. The rules of pottery dictate they must be siblings! And not just that but TWINS!

Also Luke instinctively reached out to her and she heard him. Definitely a hint that there might be something special about her. After already learning there is another, if you had to guess who out of the cast we already know Leia was a pretty safe bet. Didn't mean siblings...unless you apply the above mentioned rules of pottery!

Also both quickly develop feelings for the other, a bond of attraction that unfortunately is interpreted in a non-filial manner. But hey, they're already cribbing from mythology and what mythology doesn't enjoy the occasional bit of incest?

People swing a stick around all the time, lightsaber isn't any different.

>Dooku didn't actually say
I didn't say he named the person. I said he did something like that.

a lightsaber is a bit different from a stick

if you're not retarded and keep hitting your arms with a stick when you swing it, you can use a lightsaber.

Lightsabers can be used by non force sensitives they just aren't any good when fighting a Jedi/Sith or someone with a blaster since they don't have force precognition.

>It's dumb that any non force using schmuck can use one.
how so? you literally push a button and swing it.

You don't understand user, they literally thought you couldn't turn the Goddamn thing on without using the force.

Post yfw Ezra makes a mistake that causes Rex to be killed and it's Ezra's fault.

This is one of those scenes that is so stupid it loops back around and becomes cool.

I didn't know Leia was a filthy knife-ear

>it's Ezra's fault.
I feel like these will be the Arc Words of season three.

this desu

>What I was able to show is that factual objective statements can be made about art
When did you do that? I mean you SAID you can make objective statements, but you merely talked about the tools to attempt to evoke emotional responses, and while you mention these can be quantitively assessed you fail to realize that given people do not always react the same (regardless of how predictable you feel they are) in order to be most accurate you'd need to assess on a case by case basis.

You can make an objective statement about anything as long as you set criteria in the attempt to remove opinion or feeling. And yet if someone disagrees with your criteria as applied it becomes a matter of opinions - what you believe should be applied over what they believe should be applied. And once the matter succumbs to opinion you are back to it being subjective. You are trying to judge art, or a scene, based on what you personally feel the criteria should be (and oh shit now we're back into personal feelings too!).

You talk about music, but not everyone feels the same way about music. You talk about cliches, but some people hate cliches while others don't mind them (cliches are cliches for a reason). Some cultures view different meanings in simple colors! So now what you find predictable or a commonality shared by people depends on what population you're observing! Well shit! Now you're stuck trying to reduce human experience trying to find what might be some basic component or element that exists regardless of the individual, and thus might be factual and true instead of a mere societal construct. And good luck with that because people have been trying for centuries and while there's a helluva lot of different ideas on the subject there's not one iota of universal agreement.

>Filoni outright said he really didn't care what conflicted with his writing in the original trilogy and is going to do what he wants.

You're saying he's a hack?

I didn't mind it because Leia is ironically into it, not realizing why of course, Han thinks it's as stupid as so many other people did and is happy he doesn't chop anything off that belongs to him, and meanwhile Chewie is like, fuck ya'all, I'm dual wielding these motherfuckers!

All because Artoo raided the Hutt's private stash of sabers and somehow, not sure how, managed to cram them into his dome so he's firing lightsabers like he's a fucking t-shirt cannon.

ding ding!

Hooray. Gotta be careful though, do it too much and he'll become Sylvester McCoy

what the fuck is this shit

>Ezra makes a mistake that causes Rex to be killed and it's Ezra's fault.
that's not gonna happen.

A pleb detector. Want to know how you scored?

Nah man, that's Beard Papa. He's the most delicious member of the rebel commando team.

that's legends now, son

It helps that it was played for laughs. This wasn't the result of a well-thought out and executed plan, this was pure mad desperation that just worked because it's not like they'd have died anyway.

Honestly the silliest thing about it is the notion that lightsabers are immune to EMPs given we know they still have power cells (the kyber merely amplifies, after it's been properly tuned by a Force sensitive that is) but I guess Grakkus set up his field so it wouldn't hurt his toys?

no it isn't you retard

is his name ever mentioned in the film? no? then it's legends

>some old white guy = a Polynesian clone with accelerated aging

I'm confuse.

>That guy in the replies who got triggered at the suggestion that 80s cars were produced by a very coldly automated process

Is his name ever mentioned in the film? No? Then he's whoever the fuck they decide he is. Because they control the horizontal and the vertical. They control what is canon.

his name is utterly irrelevant you fucking idiot

Yeah, the theory/idea really hinged on the fact he was called Nik Sant. Can't happen anymore now.

Star Wars fans are fucking idiots, that's all you need to know.

How many retards are we going to have to explain how the NuCanon works to before it finally sinks in?

The idea of 3PO being built by some kid in a junkyard goes back to some of George's earliest ideas for the saga. He just decided "Hey, lets make that kid Anakin"

>Three seasons in and Ezra still doesn't have a love interest.

>He's killed more people than he can remember but has never kissed a girl.

Little Vader in the making, you'd think Not-Kota would have got him so twi'lek pussy by now.

>Three seasons in and Ezra still doesn't have a love interest.
from what we've seen in the trailers and a few interviews they're going to be pushing Ezra/Sabine hard this season

inb4 Seventh Sister post

>literally making shit up

Lucas personally spent millions to craft TCW.

He is okay in my books for saving Star Wars.

If we go by the entire first episode it seemed more like she was getting fed up with him by a bit.

So they're just using Ahsoka's head markings as a symbol for their rebel cell right? FULCRUM is not coming back.

They actually just worship the Naaru now.

>Thrawn's premiere episode airs
>followed by a thread discussing art objectivity
>it's a coincidence

That would have been a hot development. Have her be like the Rebels version of Ventress but all into the little shota teasing him about teaching him how to use his "saber".

Sabine a top tier qt

Yes

Can't stall the Maul, user

space is water

Probably use Shishou

I wish The Empire weren't always portrayed as cartoonishly evil. I love the armor and everything about them is pleasing to the eye. Sheev made the galaxy great again and them First Order boys aren't half bad.

Fucking rebel scum and clankers need not reply.

Chewie's rampage in TFA after Han died is one of my favorite scenes in all of Star Wars.

>Dooku
>Saruman
>Same actor playing a character who is doing bad things for the right reasons

Pottery

shit taste

Fulcrum is coming back but the codename is being used by Kallus now.

Greatest Star Wars character coming through.

Because I like Chewie? Chewie is the only rebel worth a fuck now and Leia didn't even care enough to hug him, so fuck you faggot I prefer Empire anyway.

He also played DiZ/Ansem in Kingdom Hearts which is basically both of them as well.

because you like JJShit

>Implying Kylo isn't the only compelling character and senile Han wasn't worth watching.

I hope you have a nice day though

Yes she is, she doesn't have enough art sadly though.

>Dem lips
>Dat stomach

Hnnngh

>JJ Film
>worth watching

kek

I have never touched Kingdom Hearts or Final Fantasy in my life. Should I end it?

Your pic terrifies me.

Your life? probably.

You can like parts of things user and not have to be a contrarian faggot that has to point out all the bad things.

Have a nice day though.

Is that Milo Yiannopoulos?

Rightly so.

Meh. Not really missing much in those games.

If you want user. I mean FF games are usually self contained within their own universes, KH is not. You'd have a lot to go through before 2.8 comes out in January, which mostly includes 1.5 and 2.5 on the PS3 which contains 2 entire games cutscenes/movies, and 4 entire games that are very lengthy, with 2.8 having another movie and two more games (though one is going to be rather short), on top of KH3 out in 2017 or 2018.

I personally love all the games and find them easy to understand, but play'em if you want, form your own opinion. For FF, only 6, 7, 7: Crisis Core, 8, 9, and 10 are really the only worthwhile ones. Though you could play 10-2, 7: Dirge of Cerberus, and 12 if you want. Advent Children for 7 as well if you wanna do Dirge.

Honestly they're all fun little games if you like silly anime shit mixed with magic. KH is more like Star Wars mixed with Disney mixed with anime shenanigans.

Who?

post lewd

...

Milo Yoppodoppoloose.

K

For as diligent as the LSG is, I can't believe they let such a stupid mistake as calling Fives "Sixes" fly.

What would be quicker, blaster or saber?

Is there a download for the new Rebels episode yet?

Its right in the OP, dumdum

Are you talking about TCW Fives? What does LSG stand for?

Lucasfilm Story Group.

In Lords of the Sith, they mention the Clone Trooper Fives but the writer mistakenly called him Sixes.

I thought it was a joke image talking about some made because he loved Jet Troopers in BF2.

The pastebin only has downloads for season 1 and 2.
Or am I retarded and just don't see season 3?

You're very retarded because it's not in the pastebin, it's in the OP itself.

Just stream it or something retard. Visuals in Rebels suck anyway compared to TCW.

it isn't labeled though, to be fair to that guy

...

Would you play a Star Wars 4x game?

Is it made before 2020 (meaning by EA)?

does EA even have any experience with 4X games?

New Lego sets

>Implying the Bendu won't just give the holocron to him
Did you even listen to what he said about personal choice and all that shit?

wow, they're all shit

>the bendu literally doesn't give a single fuck about anything

Does EA have any experience with good games other than the first two Dead Space?

Yeah, Lego is becoming more and more lackluster while being more and more expensive.

EA made a lot of good games in the past, user.

I really want Hondo to show up in the Han Solo movie but it will never happen.

But do they now? 4x Star Wars wouldn't release in the past user.

I'd play it though as long as it was good to answer your question. I just don't think EA would make it good, and they've got the rights until 2020.

>wouldn't release in the past user.
You underestimate the power of the Force, user.

Nice to see a connection between Rogue One and Rebels with the Y-Wing.

Just for fun, I've been playing with the idea of what a live-action Star Wars Rebels porn parody would be like. Usually they have five sex scenes so I've been going through the potential pairings it could have. Here's what I came up with:

Kanan/Hera
Ahsoka/Hera
Zeb/two random girls
Ezra/Sabine

That leaves the fifth scene missing, and I'm trying to figure out what it could be. Any ideas? The only idea I had was Sabine/Chopper with dildo attachments.

I don't need more time travel shenanigans, I get into enough autistic arguments on Cred Forums about timelines (even if they're just normal old timelines that have nothing to do with time travel because apparently idiots on Cred Forums don't know timelines are typically a line of chronological events, let alone timelines where certain splits exist due to certain events from a main timeline)...its annoying, no shenanigans with the past, I will eat the Force then.

>No inkies
Well I mean I already suspected you had shit taste but thanks for confirming famalamadingdong

SS/Ezra, user. How did you not think of that?

Just imagine all the kinks and fetishes these two could cater to...

If you want to play Kingdom hearts, be aware that just playing the main games isn't really an option if you want to understand the story. You HAVE to play the side-games and read the journal entries to comprehead the bullshit which comprises the storyline.

That being said, the side-games are pretty good and most are collected into game collections for the PS3/4.

No.

starwarsnewsnet.com/2016/09/star-wars-rebels-episode-descriptions-unveiled.html

Spoilers obviously

The Antilles Extraction: Sabine goes undercover as a cadet in the Empire’s elite flight academy to help free several young pilots who want to defect to the rebellion. (Airs October 8.)

I guess Sabine does recolor her hair black.

how terrible of a condition is Sabine's hair?

I bet if you touch it it just crumbles.

Meh

The ARC-170 is a multirole fighter. The reason they have the third pilot is for bombing runs. Someone has to both line up your drop and also drop them at the same time. It's not rocket science people

The Holocrons of Fate: When Maul takes the crew of the Ghost hostage, Ezra and Kanan must pass a trial in order to recover an ancient Sith artifact to save them.

So do Kanan and Ezra try to recover the Sith holocron from the Bendu, or are they talking about another artifact?

His name isn't Bendu, he's a lion turtle named Dindu.

>Zeb will never smother you in his armpit to show you who's boss
Why live

of all the alien races they could have picked, they decided on the stupiest mother fucker ever

>Chewie will never rip off arms on screen

Closest was TFA

they don't rip your arms off, the rip them out of the sockets

For a droid, that's equal to ripping your arms off, which Han made that remark to.

Aww shut up Han you're dead. Also only time I remember seeing it is in Lego Star Wars.

He was one of the original designs for Chewie nigga.

Not seeing much distinction. If your arms were removed from heir sockets but not actually torn off of your body, would anyone use the words 'ripped out' to describe what happend? Come on, there's no reason to assume anything but the worst. Arms have gotta come right off.

>this design was too stupid before
>lets use it now

>Not really
Yeah guess what sunshine you saying that doesn't make it true.

He didn't do a good job though. He just said fuck it. I guess he has that right since he was Lucas's protege and Lucas did that all the time.

You saying the opposite doesn't make that true.

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Rebels had B Wings and A wings before they had X Wings and Y Wings? Why is this show fucking with the canon so much?

0/10

>Sasquatch with bandolier and laser crossbow
>Taking shit this seriously

I think you just want my (You).

It's not. What we are seeing in Rebels is the Cell that obtained A-Wings and B-Wings.

In another part of the Galaxy, are different Rebel Cells, one of which got the X-Wings.

When the Rebel Alliance forms, the Cells come together and share resources for the greater good.

Why does it seem like only one company makes light frieghters?

The Muuns have a monopoly on the banks and the most high-profit organizations, I have been trying to tell everybody for years but nobody ever listens

Well how long until we see TIE Strikers and TIE Defenders?

Both are very likely.

Pablo said things would start looking like Rogue One, so I can see Strikers happening very soon.

Defenders while """""Canon"""" in Commander, were just added (non-pilotable, figures) to Battlefront which has a strict approval system with the LSG, so the Defender is certainly on their minds as a legit, canon Imperial Fighter.

Kallus defecting when?

All the big starship companies make light freighters. Corellian freighters are just popular with audiences because Millennium Falcon = Han Solo = Star Wars. this was a big problem in the EU which is why I enjoyed the Raven and Modly Claw.

It's funny because I think TCW did a really good job of re-exciting people about SW, but people still hate Lucas.

Dudes like that one guy from LOTR also named Tom. Weirdly magical but completely uninterested in what's going on in the wider world.

So is Lucas not talking with Filoni anymore? I like how Rebels is shaping up but it still feels like it's missing something that keeps it from reaching TCW tier.

>it's missing something that keeps it from reaching TCW tier.
$$ budget $$

Lucas is actually barred from having anything to do with Star Wars unless brought in as a consultant, which Disney has made clear they don't want to do. Thank God.

Filoni said he had contact with Lucas up to about as far as Ahsoka's fate, but he doesn't anymore. Lucas was happy for it to be his own thing.

Lucas left the company. He and Filoni have a passing relationship. Dave shows him what they're working on, but it's not like George is on call 24/7.

>Hondo's model goes from this to this

I don't know what race Hondo is, but I'm going to call them Uglyfucks from now on.

This is mostly incorrect. Lucas does not want anything to do with Star Wars. Disney wouldn't mind too bad with having Lucas give some tips here and there. The problem I think you're referring too was TFA was the creative differences. They wanted to do a retro movie which he was against and he ended up walking away.

Super Star Destroyer when?

>I don't understand Art Style

Weequay.

Weequay. First seen in ROTJ

That's what I said, Uglyfucks

When Thrawn sends the rebels a care package, a container that could hold something a bit larger than a bowling ball, leaving Zeb shouting, "What's in the box? What's in the booooox!?"

>user confirmed jealous Nikto

>Modly Claw

The Moldy Crow is my favorite EU ship. Love the design of the thing.

>the wookiepedia only lists the falcon and the ghost when you look up light frieghters, both Corelian ships

Why does only one company make freighters?

>B-Wings
Technically they don't have the B-Wings yet. They only recovered the prototype, albeit a working prototype, but aren't fielding any finished versions yet.

Ideas? Lando and Sabine.

At least the ship type is canon still.

>a prototype that is massively more powerful than the standard B-wing

Also Kyle Katarn recanonized when?

The alliance only gets B-Wings after Yavin.

I'm wondering how the Rebels get X-wings, and if they'll recanonize them being made specifically for the Rebels.

So how will Lessu get destroyed? We know Thrawn is there at some point and we see it exploding in the S3 trailer.

>a prototype that is massively more powerful than the standard B-wing

Did you forget that it barley worked? The weapons system drained energy at an alarming rate and killed the hyperdrive. When it went into full production they swapped out what worked and what didn't. And factory B-Wings are much more efficient and powerful than the prototype version.

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Wow, what a surprise that a weapon that can destroy a Star Destroyer uses a lot of energy. What is your point?

>it barley worked? The weapons system drained energy at an alarming rate and killed the hyperdrive
Because it was a prototype made from spare parts. A production model would have psrts built to handle that

We don't know, we haven't seen the episode where it happens.

the weaponsystems of the prototype simply don't work for a guerilla fight, user. it cannot make hit and run attacks, it can attack a target one and is then a sitting duck. In order to deploy the ship effectively they need a carrier for it., which needs it's own escort. Needing a fleet for one ship is not a good idea.

Are you retarded? user is obviously asking people to make guesses.

We don't know if it will be more powerful or not, but yes potentially that Mon Cal dude can't solve the power problems so it's either they use a weaker version or don't use hyperdrives. And considering they have a carrier, and that Alderaanian cruisers and other ships have docking ports that can carry them into battle, FUCK the hyperdrive, go with the big gun!

Every group already has it's own equipment. Dodonna's group could already have X-Wings. They MIGHT do a story about how a group, maybe Dodonna's, wants to replace their aging Z-95s with something a better while still retaining familiarity for their pilots. But I don't think they want to keep showing how every single piece of Alliance hardware was discovered by this one group.

>And considering they have a carrier, and that Alderaanian cruisers and other ships have docking ports that can carry them into battle, FUCK the hyperdrive, go with the big gun!
Apparently they decide the hypderdrive is more useful in the models they used at Endor. That's assuming they never solved the problem, of course.

you don't want to be forced to use a carrier everywhere, it makes your maneuvers slower, and forces you to commit more forces to a given area. The Rebels want to be fast, and get in and out before the Empire can come in. Smaller ships with their own hyperdrives facilitates this type of fighting.

Finally got around to watching the new episode. Bit weird pacing, but overall very pleasing. Ezra doing mind control on the walker pilot was hype as fuck.

>what a surprise that a weapon that can destroy a Star Destroyer
Which episode features a prototype B-wing destroying a Star Destroyer? I need to see this.

>uses a lot of energy
The Rebels don't have that kind of money, user. It would make little sense to throw money for a handful of fighters/bombers when you need to fuel capital ships and frigates to ferry your personnel, equipment, fuel and fighters. Also, replacing the composite laser cannon with proton torpedoes and proton bombs is more cost efficient and arguably more dangerous since a couple destroyed the Devastator and leveled Kuat Drive Yards.

Plus it lets you scatter more effectively. If your entire fleet is lightspeed capable they can shoot off in a dozen different directions and be much harder to track than a single carrier
My guess, Thrawn goes in for an all out assault on Cham's resistance group, displaying his complete disregard for civilian casualties. Shit, considering how focused Twi'leks are on family and clan I could see Thrawn deliberately targeting civilians to draw Cham out

>Bit weird pacing
Yeah, I feel Thrawn's entrance wasn't quite as powerful as that slow zoom shot from the trailer was. Still, the way his eyes faded out over the planet was awesome.
They had to establish several new characters, and explain the events of a six month time skip, and they did a fine job of it. Just a lot to do in 40 minutes of TV

It wasn't Star Destroyer, it was a Imperial Light Cruiser.

>A production model would have psrts built to handle that
Bail is rich, but not that rich to outfit every B-Wing with a high energy laser canon.

>Which episode features a prototype B-wing destroying a Star Destroyer? I need to see this.
None, the prototype B-wing wipes out a frigate or a cruiser, I'm not entirely sure what class of ship it was but it wasn't a Star Destroyer. One thing I will say for Rebels, its doing a great job of avoiding the "every ship in the Imperial Navy is a Star Destroyer, no exceptions" thing that a lot of material does. Its always nice to see they've remembered the wider fleet outside of the iconic ISD

They could use both. Carried in more powerful versions and others with hyperdrives for more mobility in strikes.

>I feel Thrawn's entrance wasn't quite as powerful as that slow zoom shot from the trailer was
They were crafted to be different, is the whole point. The trailer was set up to make fans excited for Thrawn being reintroduced, while the show itself doesn't need to do that bullshit.

And who the hell was funding this? The Rebels were using decade old weapons and stolen equipment.

Post your face when Thrawn, the greatest military mind the Empire has ever seen, gets sent packing by the teeny bopper crew and their comedy droid.

>Thrawn, the greatest military mind the Empire has ever seen
That's not Grand Admiral Gascon

If it can easily take out an imperial cruiser with a sweeping/angled shot than it could destroy a Star Destroyer with a specific/concentrated shot.

>highly trained and competent insurgents with Jedi and political backing
>goofy
You're retarded.

can you prove that?

Tell us how then.

>Aladdin rip off, punk rock Mando girl, funny talking purple guy, le so edgy droid
>not goofy

>single fighter taking on a Star Destroyer
>with a full squadron of TIE fighters
Sounds like a really bad idea.

Possible but very unlikely, a Star Destroyer as a lot more firepower for a B-Wing to break through before it could fire
Besides, keeping an entire ship, plus the attending support vessels, about just on the off chance one pilot pulls a Skywalker Surprise on one ISD isn't worth it. Far better to go with something more general purpose
Yeah, very true. I do wonder when it will be used in the show though. Perhaps when he interrogates Hera on Ryloth?

By the end they were running Mon Cal ships comparable to Star Destroyers.

The Empire had no shortage of enemies, including the rich and well-supplied.

>I never bothered to watch the show

I watched every episode of the show.

How is Zeb NOT a funny talking purple guy?

By the end yeah, when they were able to retrofit passenger liners into battleships
This is the start, the majority of Rebel equipment is scavenged from the armouries of the former GAR and CIS. Shit, I'm pretty sure Saito and his crew WERE in the CIS Navy back in the day, they just kept fighting

>"I don't understand simple physics": the post

>Mon Cal ships comparable to Star Destroyers
I definitely need a citation for this since Mon Cal cruisers were cruise ships with armor and weapons added to them. Even Ackbar tells Lando it's suicide to get into broadside with star destroyers

Is there an explanation in your deflection?
Pro Tip: There isn't

>trying to use real world physics in a fiction world

Thrawn looks at Twi-lek art, and infers that these people are whores and drug-addicts, so he mixes in explosive substances into their space cocaine, and when the time is right and the ghettos of Lessu are full of explosive Twi-leks, boom.

What else is the Bendu going to do this season? I thought Kanan finding him was going to be a longer plot. I need more of his sexy voice.

Why not some Kanan/Ezra? Gotta think outside the box if you want to get noticed in the industry.

At the start they have this rich sugar daddy you might have heard of. His name is Bail Organa. Kind of a big deal. Those A-Wings are neither GAR nor CIS and they manage to procure more just fine, albeit in season 2 they did have a bit of trouble keeping up with attrition but it was a line from Hera and never actually shown. It was just the reason they needed a base and why they went after the carrier as a stopgap.

>watched his species get genocided
>filled with angst, grief and survivors guilt
>fights but masks his true intentions until he gets courage

He makes the occasional joke or goofy action but youre clearly being retarded.

Rewatch when the prototype B wing shreds the imperial cruiser. Now imagine that power concentrated on one single area, the life support or the command bridge.

Physics is physics, regardless of world. This is why Stranger In A Strange Land is Heinlein's worst work and dumbest plot.

Are you honestly comparing a light cruiser with a battleship? Also, it damaged the cruiser not destroyed it. It takes SEVERAL B-Wings to bring down the Devastator at Endor.

I love rebellion, the fact that there people here in this thread who have not only never played rebellion but haven't even heard of it pains me.

Those B Wings were shit compared to the one Hera used. Also rewatch it. It clearly destroys the cruiser.

I think people tend to forget that while they had Bail and his resources, those resources didn't include Alderaan having the means to produce weapons. Bail had to do a lot of running around, sucking dick the whole time, to score the Rebellion's toys with Alderaan's money.

>Physics is physics, regardless of world.
>A world where a mystical energy field determines your destiny and gives you access to supernatural abilities that defy physics.

>He makes the occasional joke or goofy action

By that you mean he's in a constant vaudeville routine with the robot, right? Because if you watched the show, you'd know that.

Why are you guys so dead set on insisting that this show meant for children is deeper and more serious than it actually is? Just enjoy it for what it is.

>the life support
It's in the interior of the ship. It's not Battlefront 2.

>command bridge
>most heavily shielded part of the ship
Stop it, user. B-wing couldnt penetrate the shields of a Star Destroyer easily. especially if its getting hammered by TIEs

>I'm pretty sure Saito and his crew WERE in the CIS Navy back in the day

I don't like the idea of Rebel command being made up of people who were just the hired dogs of the oligarchy.

Yeah, A-wings were ancient even when the Clone Wars came around, and that was over 21 years ago as of Rebels. Phoenix Squadron was essentially flying WW1 biplanes into battle, and Bail had to splurge a fucking fortune up the wall just to get those. Bail is just one man, and its not like he can even do what the Mon Cal did and covertly build weapons, Aldeeran has no arms industry like points out

>B-wing couldnt penetrate the shields of a Star Destroyer easily

Did you miss the part where a much weaker A-Wing easily destroys a SSD just by crashing into it?

It holes it, which is impressive for a starfighter but it would take way too many resources to field squadrons of ships just on the off chance a pilot gets lucky and finds a Star Destroyer with its bridge shields down AND not being swarmed by TIE Fighters
People joined the CIS for all sorts of reasons, and a surprisingly large number genuinely believed in the cause. The death of the Republic was on the cards, all Sidious did was accelerate the process and make it play into his hands

Literally what?

>Those B Wings were shit compared to the one Hera used
No they weren't. Proton bombs and torpedoes are nothing to laugh at. And again, you're comparing a light cruiser to a battleship. They have an entirely different class of shielding and armor not to mention fighter compliment. We've seen the Aquietens Light cruisers get downed in droves to light fire in TCW but we've seen Venators take much more severe punishment. A Star Destroyer would laugh off the composite beams fire.

Now I feel that user's pain.

Star Wars Rebellion was a 4x RTS from LucasArts. It came out 8 years before Empire at War.

He's definitely their biggest sponsor, and most well known, though surely not their only one. Heck, Quarrie wasn't hired by them and wasn't keen on handing his baby over to the rebels. Took the right kind of pilot to convince him, afterward Sato made a comment about how having an allied shipworks would be invaluable to their cause. I get the feeling he can definitely do more than B-Wing work for them and probably comes with his own contacts.

Onderon is another potential source for the rebellion, if not Phoenix Squad directly. The Mon Calamari of course also have no love of the Empire and we know Ackbar was already working with the Alliance as early as ANH, and so surely earlier. And of course the Ghost Crew were initially a supplier to Phoenix and the greater rebellion in an informal capacity, with only Hera in the know. They'd get supplies from them and do jobs in return.

There are plenty of sources for support, but I'm sure they're very spread out. There isn't an Alliance yet, and in many ways they are purposefully keeping the cells separate to avoid evidence of any larger rebellion. Sometimes they just know about each other and that's it, like Cham's group. Sometimes they work against a common foe but at cross purposes, also Cham's group.

The Force is just an application of physics, not a defiance of it. Once the mathematics are fully mastered and its potential harnessed, such things as what the Force can do become plausible, but ultimately are bound within the limitations of physics. Even Yoda says that even with his considerable understanding of it, he doesn't understand it all, which is why he still succumbs to entropic decay. Physics shifts ranges, not rules.

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You're not even making sense anymore, user.

They crew working on Rebels made it clear they felt we'd never gotten a good view of the B-Wings in action, just a few shots during ROTJ. But it's a distinctive, memorable ship and they wanted to show what it was capable of. Just because we never saw them fire the same main gun Hera used doesn't mean they didn't have it, or that it was any weaker.

I still like the idea of rich guy Bail Organa having to do scrub work like sneak off to Balmorra for battle droids and cases of blaster rifles to slip past Imperial customs and get to the various cells he's sponsoring, without being detected. Gives him a shady smuggler flavor while maintaining his high profile image so he doesn't come off like Solo or Lando with their arms up to the elbows in underworld mud.

No, A-Wings are the successors to the V-Wing and eta-2 fighter. They had heavy armor, decent shielding and good weapons before the Empire decided to tell Kuat it wasn't what they wanted.

>It takes the entire rebel fleet at endor to weaken the shields
>even with the sustained damage, they only weaken the bridge's shields
>lone fighter gets lucky

You need to pay attention to the movie, user.

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>and a surprisingly large number genuinely believed in the cause.

A cause that was fabricated by the oligarchs so they could amass as much profit as possible.

Again, the hired dogs of the mega corporations.

First off, alderaan cruisers have guns. The blockade runners were designed for, you know, running blockades. And you're also forgetting even if they don't have munitions factories they can still buy them and sucking dick isn't accepted everywhere. MAYBE Watto would have cut a deal with Qui-Gon if he'd offered and put on some makeup.

Bail doesn't have to do everything directly, or even always use his own money. The man has connections, after all. Some of this has involved running covert independent operators like the Ghost originally was in season 1 who didn't even know who they were working for.

Like the very first episode of the series (not including the film) where he loans Antilles' droids to Tua to "help" her secure a shipment of banned weapons, while having R2 as his mole to sabotage the operation and get the weapons in rebels hands if possible.

Physics is physics in real life. Star Wars is fantasy. Fantasy is where human intuition of how the world works is paramount (because story telling), not the confusing unintuitive nature of the real universe. This does an excellent job explaining how fantasy works rsbakker.wordpress.com/2016/09/06/myth-as-meth/

What are ships made of in Star Wars?
The amount of physical punishment we see them take should completely demolish the things.

This is the time where you're putting too much real world technicalities into the space fantasy based on mythology and fiction. Also this .

The Mega Corporations are gone now, Sheev played them all and controls everything. Those who had the will to strive for true change are now with the Rebels, whether they were Republic or CIS.

It was manufactured by an evil space warlock who had his apprentice evil space warlock leading the CIS. Those mega corps were as much dupes as the people were in the end. They simply fielded support. One of the reasons why Lucas had TCWs include episodes like Heroes on Both Sides is he was annoyed that people had the perception that the Separatist Council, including dudes like Gunray, ran the CIS. That's why he showed that they had a civilian government in the form of their Congress.

Should have left him non-canon. There was never any chance this show could do him any justice. Get ready for them to rape Revan and Darth Bane next.

I can already taste the salt

Nintendium

Not ALL the corporations, The Mining Guild is now a lapdog of the Emperor at the least.

I'd love it if they reintroduced the Corporate Sector Authority as some kind of CIS remnant puppet state of the Empire.

You know Darth Bane was created by George, and he was in TCW, right? Or is this the usual prattle?

Hardest substance in existence, second only to nutlog

I'd like to see Dusty Old Bones Sheev try to play the Ferengi like that.

They'd end up owning the Death Star and his favorite robe.

Is this a predecessor to the Interceptor?

No, I know, but the TCW version didn't do anything to hurt the other depictions of the character. If Rebels or Disney decide to delve into the character though, it will most likely be pretty terrible compared to the old novels and comics.

They would do that, and probably own the Imperial Palace on Coruscant too. They would then sell Sheev back the remains of the Jedi, at a marked up price.

No, it's an entirely separate branch of TIEs that are Mining Guild only. Interceptors already exist according to the S3 trailer.

Nah, its just a standard TIE with the front panel segment removed to improve visibility. Unfortunately that resulted in the fighter being twitchy and unstable.

>Unfortunately that resulted in the fighter being twitchy and unstable.
That doesn't make any sense.

CSA already got named dropped in Tarkin or Heir of the Jedi but I think they're completely neutral.

>If Rebels or Disney decide to delve into the character though, it will most likely be pretty terrible compared to the old novels and comics.
According to whom and based on what evidence? It seems no matter what happens, fanbois will bitch.

Its what Starwars.com says. Maybe it threw off the balance distribution.

I can believe it, TIEs tend to spiral out of control at the lightest hit.

>yfw Palpatine abandons the Code of the Sith
>adopts the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition

Guild, as in the whole industry is under the imperial aligned guild now, it's not free market. Look up how fascist economic systems work, because it's pretty apparent that's how the Empire does things.

I want to say Heir

God I love that eye fade

>lob off part of stabilizers
>become less stable
Makes perfect sense

but there's no reason it would be made "unstable" the panels don't do anything for stability, there is no stability, it's space.

What an utterly useless change.

In Star Wars, space has sound and fire.

Obviously Snoke is a Ferengi taking the First Order for a ride.

>Perhaps when he interrogates Hera on Ryloth
what did I miss

Space is Ether in Star Wars. Pablo said so.

Semi-Jokingly. But seriously, trying to inject science and reality into star wars is a losing game.

Our real life space works that way, obviously not Star Wars space. They also aren't used in just space, they also have to go into atmospheres of wherever the Mining Guilds work, and docks that have their own gravity and what not.

youtube.com/watch?v=LByiAjCTD5c

In star wars planes have wings and working ailerons, implying that they are beholden to aerodynamics, but then they move in complete disregard to it and have ships that ignore it all together.

You may as well just discount things like fuel and ammo and needing to ever eat, or sleep or do fucking anything.

>What an utterly useless change.
Well, now they know that.

It hasn't happened yet, but a preview shows it.

youtube.com/watch?v=LByiAjCTD5c

Hera's natural Ryloth/French accent. unff.

which implies there's some kind of need for aerodynamics, but it's repeatedly shown that there isn't.

>Hera's natural Ryloth/French accent. unff.
Especially with that vulnerability thrown in. Unff, indeed.

All of the spacecraft we see in Star Wars fight on planets too

Oh dang.
>no goggles
l-lewd

That only further proves the point. Things like TIE fighters, and the fish people cruisers, X-wings and Y-wings, none of these are actually capable of any kind of flight.

Now obviously we don't know the full context, but If shew as trying to pass off as a servant, she really should've changed clothes.

I bet Thrawn is thinking "bitch, you think I don't have all your little rebel leader mugshots memorized? We've got metric shittons of footage of you Ghost crew and your friends."

Space is water nigger

>Do you think these irises and pupils are just for show?

Are you looking for logic in star wars?

D-does anyone have a torrent to the latest Rebels episode?

There's a mega for it in the OP under the Recon link.

I will tear this thread apart piece by piece.

NEW THREAD NEW THREAD NEW THREAD

Thanks. I should read the OP better.