>fuck those avengers
>wonder if there's anything in these Hydra files I can use against them
>wow looks like the same guy that killed Iron Man's parents was buddies with Captain America
>i'll frame him for something knowing it would cause dissonance amongst the two leaders of the team
>if they fight i'll show them the video, if not i'll show them the video
Eveything else quick thinking to get to the next step
No.
Zemo's plan was pretty cut and dry.
>Find out Hydra is connected to the Stark murders
>Deduce Bucky was the assassin
>Locate his handler
>Force him to give the location of where the evidence is
>Release it to public, causing the Avengers to turn on each other
But that initial plan failed seeing as the handler remained loyal to Hydra to the end. So he went with an alternative plan
>Frame Bucky for a terrorist attack to flush him out of hiding
>Gain access to him
>Use the trigger phrases retrieved from the handler to reactivate his brainwashing and force him to give out the location of the base where the evidence was
By that point, it was obvious that Captain America's blindspot was Bucky, and Zemo further exploited that by sending him on a rampage, not only to cover his own escape, but to create more mistrust over how to handle Bucky, which was also why he arranged for his deception to be discovered.
Then, in a further twist of fate, Captain America, Iron Man and Bucky, by "fate" as he himself says, come at the base together to stop him. Then it was all a matter to directly showing them the tape and reaping the fruits of discord he had seeded.
Anyone can make a villain's plan sound stupid by listing the plot contrivances which bring it to fruition.
That said, the actual elements of Zemo's plan - framing Bucky, infiltrating the UN and setting Stark and Cap against each other - all could have been implemented in other circumstances. That it succeeded spectacularly doesn't indicate that it was overly complex and therefore unbelievable. Rather, it shows that Zemo is adaptable and competent, able to adjust to an escalating situation.
>THIS
>Anyone can make a villain's plan sound stupid by listing the plot contrivances which bring it to fruition.
Pretty much. Everyone loves Heath Ledger's Joker, but the execution of his plans is fraught with contrievances and twists of fate.
Zemo had nothing to do with Scarlet Witches fuck up or the accords.
most of it relied on him finding out about things that he had no way on knowin that would happen like the accords, people taking sides, people not knowing how the psychiatrist that was send to see Bucky looked like,etc
Except for the initial bus heist problems, most of joker's plan is pretty lacking in contrivance.
His plan didn't require the Accords or people taking sides. It only required Iron Man watching the tape. Everything else was just bonus.
He could have bombed any major government meeting and framed Bucky for it to similar results. The Accords were just a convenient opportunity.
If you actually pay attention, he quite deliberately lets the housekeeper discover the psychologists dead body at an exact time -he scheduled his breakfast to come at that exact time every day.
The only major leap of logic is Tony and Cap coming to the bunker together, but given the nature of the bunker he probably could have waited long enough for one or the other to arrive -or simply extract the data from the local computer and give it to Tony at a later time.
But at the end of everything, it's just a movie and you should probably relax.
>Infiltrates places with military precision despite leading a bunch of psychopaths
>Has an unlimited amount of explosives that he can place everywhere without being seen
>Manages to get patched through first in a heavily popular talk show during the heat hour and stay on line long enough to put a hit on a guy
When you apply excessive logic, it begins bursting at the seams too.
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>Without that there would be no Sakovian accords which Zemo had no idea would happen when he started planning his revenge, and yet, is a Huge part of the plan
Haven't seen it since it was in the cinema, but I remember the Sakovia accords being irrelevant to Zemo's plan. It was just a happy coincidence that he was able to exploit.
Still, not a bad video. Better than their Winter Soldier one anyway.
>The entire thing relies on Scarlet Witch doing something
Wrong, SW is completely irrelevant
> Sakovian accords are Huge part of the plan in this Movie
wrong, accords are irrelevant to Zemo, but do help
> he also knows Tony would find out about the dead psychiatrist at the perfect time
wrong, this is irrelevant
>learn the Siberia location, and show up at the SAME TIME as Cap and Bucky
wrong locations of any of the Avengers is completely irrelevant to Zemo
>The plot of this movie is basically the same as the plot of BvS except that it doesn't suck
Forgive me for nitpicking, but why is that a 'sin'. Should it speak in it's favour if they did something successfully that someone else tried and fail.
She is. Steve and Clint clash with Tony and Vision over her, further fracturing the team, with Clint having a massive hate boner for Tony. People are scared shitless of her, it's like she's feared before all others
>The entire thing relies on Scarlet Witch doing something incredibly stupid during the Crossbones fight in Lagos
there have been 4 movies worth of super hero destruction that this built on. he was assuming there would be another and he was right.
We had this same thread yesterday
Accords make clear the government's of the world would rather the Avengers fuck off.
The purpose of the Accords is to replace the Avengers with normie military types and imprison and kill all enhanced.
What Zemo does to the Winter Soldiers is what the long term aim of the Accords is.
This
They've shown time and time again that they fuck up when put under pressure . Didn't even require crossbones, couldn't have been one of many missions where she fucks up.
Nothing in the accords says they kill off all enhanced, just that they are justified when they do
Have to disagree with the comparison to BvS. Pic related.
How Iron Man watching the tape would result in ALL the avengers disolving and taking sides??
We literally see the start of his plans. He is trying to locate the Winter Soldier so he can get the mission report and confirm his suspicions that Captain Americas best friend killed Iron Mans parents, and where to find proof beyond encrypted remnants of SHIELD/HYDRAs information.
The Accords were not part of his plan, and it may not have been his plan to have them arrive to find the footage as he did either. In his own words, with patience you can accomplish anything. He just needed to wait for the right time, and by luck and his own prodding he had it - because this is a movie and ending it with him finding the tape and waiting till the right time does not a three act story make.
Of all the things to nitpick, Baron Zemo and Black Panther are some of the most solid, consistent and sensical characters in the entire film, yet every youtube critic chooses to pick those apart over actual issues the film has. Sure Spidey and Ant-man are fun and give you some great memorable scenes, but those are the characters who add nothing to the plot and inclusions are total contrivances.
Because they're the leaders of the team and everyone else looks up to them?
>Tony spergs out
>Kills Bucky
>alienates Steve
>Steve and/or Bucky kills Tony
>Both are now wanted fugitives
Pretty cut and dry, you've got the two central figures of the Avengers either dead or on the run. Add to the fact that the Avengers fight each other every other week.
I mean imagine how easy Zemo's plan would be if Hulk or Thor were around.
> Shaking hands
> Biting nails
> Anxiety
But let's see what happens if/when the world tries to take on Thanos without her. That will be funny.