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Superman and Action Comics come out in alternate weeks. It's why Tec is on that list and not the main Batman title.

>plus some modest interest in early Ghost Rider–but it’s Johnny Blaze they want.
Christ, what shit taste.
I mean, not liking Robbie is shit taste anyway, but at least ask for Danny instead.

>plus some modest interest in early Ghost Rider–but it’s Johnny Blaze they want.
How can someone pleb that hard? Robbie is million times better and relatable than some Johnny Blaze who can't even hold his own book.

Man, Marvel really managed to piss off its original audience and didn't get the tumblr crowd.

>Cred Forums - shit Rich Johnston says

The kids of today should defend themselves against the nineties.

>Star Wars was #1 and a few of the DC titles were pretty close.

So nothing like the national charts?

Why are you pushing this angle, Rich? Seems weird.

I mean you've bothered to include several different stores' worth of anecdotal evidence, but at best they're contradictory of each other. Why include them at all?

Because you're trying to drive a narrative instead of report the facts?

Why are you afraid to mention the stores that are sending back more than half the DC floppies they've asked for, unsold?

Never mind the sales charts, shouldn't you be getting those anecdotes out too? That is all you report now, right? Anecdotes?

>Not a single Civil War 2 title even broke the top twenty in our store;
BWWWWAAAAAAAHHHHAHAAHAHHAHHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

On a serious note: how the fuck can Marvel make every last exact same stupid fucking mistake DC was making for half a decade?

How come industries never learn?

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Monkey see, monkey do.

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Don't know why Marvel is trying to do comics, they should just stick with their movies.

They should outsource them to a good indie publisher; Dark Horse, for instance.

>0.02 has been deposited into your account. Thank you for correcting the record

The one Marvel title in top 10 and it's not even a property created by them.

Marvel Intern, for your own information, Rich is one of the people that usually licks Marlel's ass. So why you don't take your butthurt out of here, or at least tell to your company that pays you, to try to do better stories, and low a bit the prices, instead of the current 4.99 crap.

>Bleeding Cool having a DC bias

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Rich Johnston has a raging hard on for Marvel

earlier this week he was shitting on Rebirth for pandering to nostalgia and not being diverse enough

Rich kisses the ass of whoever's got the most good will. Between the MCU and New 52 that was Marvel for a long time, now the tables have turned and he's switched sides to follow the trend.

several months into Rebirth and we still get articles like

bleedingcool.com/2016/08/30/this-week-marvel-will-whip-dc-in-sales-figures-as-again-we-get-no-dc-rebirth-titles/

bleedingcool.com/2016/09/30/marvel-will-claw-back-marketshare-come-december/

Its pretty disgusting how Cred Forums started shilling Bleedingcool shit since rebirth

Its like you guys forgot that its rich's fault Scanbro doesn't scan shit that much anymore

Rich also killed Dwayne McDuffie.

>So nothing like the national charts?

It is a quote from one retailer.

>Why are you afraid to mention the stores that are sending back more than half the DC floppies they've asked for, unsold?

But thats not happening. The stores have actually under ordered every week thinking there will be a drop off and there isnt.

>Maybe Marvel will realize what DC is doing right by lowering prices and focusing on stories, not cash grab events and constant relaunches
I have some news:

>Marvel Comics ask retailers to order IVX #1 at 300% of their numbers of Extraordinary X-Men #11, to get the party promotional package. Then, on top, retailers can order the Chip Zdarsky Deadpool Party variant version, the Christopher Action Figure variant, the Blank variant, the Hip Hop variant, the Black Panther (below) variant, two copies of the Premium variant cover. 100 IVX postcards, 20 lithographs and 25 Marvel 2017 calendars. Then there’s a 1:50 Kenneth Rocafort (above) cover variant and a bunch of others, un-tiered.

>stores that are sending back more than half the DC floppies they've asked for, unsold
Proof or poof.

What happens if retailers say no?

He also got X-Statix canned.

That's a silly idea. Of course people will buy Marvel.

But what if one refuses to?

I'm not following you here. You mean like one store only halfheartedly buys all of Marvel?

No, imagine a store that one day refuses to buy Marvel comics until they start publishing good books again.

If I'm remembering correctly, some stores made a big deal about not buying DC after the New 52.

>but at best they're contradictory of each other.

Let's see...

One store has all DCs in top 10, but does anticipate that Marvel could be back on top 10 with Marvel Now.... briefly.

One store says that Star Wars was their highest Marvel book and the second highest Marvel got 23rd place.

Another store has Star Wars at the top of their charts but doesn't say anything about the other Marvel titles.

Another store has Marvel sales dropping.

Another store has Spider-Man/Deadpool as their top selling Marvel title... at 12th place.

Another store says DC took 7 of the top 10 spots but doesn't say what the other 3 were (other than that they're not the Captain America titles, Hulk, New Avengers, or Doctor Strange).

Another store says that their only two Marvel titles in the Top 10 are Ms. Marvel and Star Wars.

At best you could say Marvel is having some problems, not "they're totally contradictory of each other therefore it should be disregarded".

Exactly.

>earlier this week he was shitting on Rebirth for pandering to nostalgia and not being diverse enough
He's totally right.
Rebirth is DC proudly proclaiming that they are going back to pandering to the same people they pandered to before the New 52.

That's not the sad part, the sad part is that they are rewarded for it with record sales. Capeshit is fucked because its audience is dogshit.

>ABLOO BLOO BLOO THEY SHOULD PANDER TO ME

Rebirth is for Cape Fans, go read Young Animal or Vertigo or the Hannah Barbera Line if you want something different you faggot.

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No you don't get it: that's just it, it's for cape fans! Superhero comics are their most successful when they pander to superhero fans! This is objective proof now!

It's now demonstrable fact that superhero comics can't grow, they can't get themselves a new audience at all! Video games, cartoons, movies, tv shows, anime, manga, shit, even indie and webcomics keep growing, but superhero comics will be stuck in their niche forever now. Superhero comics are over and the industry is celebrating.

Well, it was good while it lasted.

Case in point.

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>It's now demonstrable fact that superhero comics can't grow, they can't get themselves a new audience at all!

And you suddenly think Marvel and DC doing more and more non-superheroes will magically get themselves a new audience.

>some modest interest in early Ghost Rider–but it’s Johnny Blaze they want."
Yep, cape audiences are fucked.

>Superhero comics are over and the industry is dead
Fixed. Industry minus capes equals zero.

ah yes, remember the time DC didn't pander to cape fans and ended with everything getting cancelled after 12 issues because of how terrible everything was selling?
>Indie
>>Growing
it's barely even a fraction of what any of the Big Two does

Biting the hand that feeds you is retarded! Because then it's going to slap you in the face.

DC took the message, and gave to their readership, what they were asking for. Marvel apparently not. For this reason DC has been received the praise of the comic book readers and rightfully so.

You people are fucking retarded. You are implying characters that have been around for 75 years and have always appealed to everyone now somehow are ONLY appealing to old readers.

>Homophobic
>Hates Carol
>Strict standards of quality
>Detests slacking creators
He's completely incompatible with modern Marvel. I can only envision the current guard of Marvel cornering him in a hallway and trying to stab him to death only for them to be beaten to death by his giant hands

Anyone have a cap of that thread with the story where Jim Shooter is actually a Super Assassin who accidentally had his identity mixed up with a dorky kid resulting in the kid being set up to assassinate someone and him being set up with an internship at Marvel, then they both like eachother's jobs so much they decide to keep the course?

They didn't appeal to literally everyone, and things run out of popularity. Besides it's not like they constantly revamped them over the years as well. That said it's not like there can't always be an audience either but they'll never be as big as they were at one point.

Sales figures say otherwise

Pretty much this.

Marvel had the historic opportunity with their movies coming one after the other, to do something good in the comics about those characters with whom entire generations grew up with. Because who Marvel thinks are the people that are going to watch the Avengers? They are the same that they grew up with those characters, and they wanted to see them for the 1st time on the big screen.

Do you think that those fans that are going to read the Avengers books now would be happy?
For what?

Someone that would like to read Tony Stark as Ironman, why would care about a girl cosplaying as Ironman? Or someone that would like to read about the Wolverine and instead find out a teenage girl in his place? Or Jane Foster cosplaying as Thor, instead of....Thor.

The problem is that Marvel want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to make profit of the "diversity" current fashion, but they don't want to risk it, with making new "diversity" characters. So they are ruining, killing off, or replacing the vlassic characters in a forced way, and bring others in their place while keeping the exact name with the iconic ones.

That's really stupid.

Who you think that the people are going to see, when they are heading to the theaters huh? Thor or Jane Foster cosplaying as Thor?

Those are characters that have been iconic for decades, and yes they appeal to entire generations for more than half a century.

No Sales Figures agree.
Decades ago they would do what we consider impressive as their regular numbers. A Superman book would sell at six times what Superman's Rebirth debut sold at.

>All eras of Miles Morales tps are selling very well.
For what reason? Why are people buying into this meme?

Whor is doing better than Thor was selling before her though I don't doubt Unworthy Thor will probably keep up too when he comes out so whoevers buying didn't care THAT much.

This is has to do with comics's decline as a media, not with the characters themselves.

Nowdays teenagers are more interested to video games, instead of comics. Not because the characters are not appealing anymore. Otherwise their movies wouldn't make billions of dolllars.

Whor is doing better because her book has been relaunched 10 times, since her first appearance. The sales would have been the same if not worse comparing with the ole good Thor, if it was not for the relaunches.

Actually the last relaunch hurt sales, her debut was still consistently higher than Thor's.

What even is your argument you brain dead idiot? That Whor being appealing somehow means that Thor isn't appealing? You sound like a sheep being herded by the stupid message people are trying to pretend exist by saying that timeless characters arent appealing anymore.

Considering the promotion push and the free advertisement because of the initial controversy, it doesn't say much. It's when the orginal dust is settled, and the spotlight is moved on, that the "popularity" or the "strength" of a character can be really valued.

And its still doing alright.

Let's put it this way, if this book didn't have Thor in the title, and without the relaunches and the whole rumor that created in the beginning, do you really think that the sales would be the same?

Just rename the title Jane Foster, or Jane Foster Thor, and then we see how popular it really is.

>A Superman book would sell at six times what Superman's Rebirth debut sold at.

When, though? Superman books were around the 70,000s or so back in 1997. If you're talking about sales in the 60's and 70's, that's a meaningless comparison because that would mainly cover the newsstand market, which is far weaker today.

>So nothing like the national charts?
Rich writes these articles based on the reported aggregate sales of 5-10 shops. This time only 7. Obviously with a sample size that small, it's not going to match up with the overall pre-order numbers.

You can't get a crowd that has no money and is completely fickle and transient with their interests Name one thing that runs on the "tumblr crowd"
>inb4 Steven Universe
the tumblr crowd does not have neilsen boxes

>tv
>movies
>growing
Are you retarded son? Not only do tv and movies only want to remake and rehash shit now, but their audience grows smaller and smaller regardless.

>Video games
Are stagnant as hell with shitty fps and licensed titles selling the most, like always

Regardless, there is nothing wrong with a traditional superhero story. A short story with bombastic action, ridiculous villains/heroes and wild visuals is not a bad type of story.

>superhero comics will be stuck in their niche forever now
What was DCYou and Marvel now doing that was actually different from previous stories? Can you name a single thing that doesn't involve race/gender?

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What do you want? What is "growing" to you?

>2. Teen Titans Rebirth #1
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>7. Suicide Squad #3
Glad Teen Titans Rebirth is #2 on the list.

So one thing I hope you all more knowledgeable people can help clarify for me:

If sales figures that are reported by rich and official end of figures are for books purchased by diamond from a retailer and not actual sales figures, is there some report that comes afterwards that reflects sales after the retailer has either given back unsold books or gotten rid of them in some way? Or are those figures never recorded and the only figures that matter are the number of books bought by LCS?

Also; sales threads are fucking cancer and just promote console war-style bullshit regardless of who is "winning"

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If sales figures that are reported by rich and official end of figures are for books purchased by diamond from a retailer and not actual sales figures, is there some report that comes afterwards that reflects sales after the retailer has either given back unsold books or gotten rid of them in some way? Or are those figures never recorded and the only figures that matter are the number of books bought by LCS?

What Rich reports isn't sales figures, it's what a small number of retailers from different areas of the US report are selling at their stores.

> is there some report that comes afterwards that reflects sales after the retailer has either given back unsold books or gotten rid of them in some way? Or are those figures never recorded and the only figures that matter are the number of books bought by LCS?

I think Comichron has an end-of-year chart that shows what Diamond actually sold to retailers, but I can't remember if they did or not. But most LCS don't return unsold books (unless the returnability is specified, like DC did with New 52 and Rebirth's early issues) and if they get rid of them in some way it's usually through putting them in a bargain bin.

>Also; sales threads are fucking cancer and just promote console war-style bullshit regardless of who is "winning"

Only because the console war kids join in. It's actually more fascinating to see what actually sells at a store rather than relying on just preorders. Last year retailers were complaining about the sales on DC's titles.

>"Back-issue market was Teen Titans and Wolverine…
>no particular issues. people just picked up handfuls which i believe will be read for a change."

I don't why this made me giggle.

>Robbie is million times better and relatable than some Johnny Blaze who can't even hold his own book.

Is that why Robbie got cancelled almost immediately and failed far quicker than Johnny's last ongoing book?

So is Cred Forums acting bipolar? Because I remember anons talking about how Robbie was shit when he was being added to AOS.

His comic is GOD TIER, HIS #1 WILL BE WORTH MILLIONS IN THE FUTURE.
His AoS is STOP RAPING MY CHILDHOOD, MARVEL!

>the Monster Men crossover is actually selling retardedly well
>the Godspeed arc is selling retardedly well

God fucking damn it.

I remember pretty clearly when All-New Ghost Rider started and people on here loved the hell out of it. There were constant storytimes of it. I remember because it annoyed me at the time until I actually took a moment to read it and enjoy it for myself.

I really wish we had based Shooter back. He could fix Marvel.

>2. Teen Titans Rebirth #1
>Damian sales.

Not sure about Monstermen but I know some normies who normally don't read comics who are reading the post Rebirth Flash comics and are enjoying that arc.

They are also reading GA and Supergirl and you can kind of guess what is it that got them to read those comics.

Yeah there is no way Bendis would still be at Marvel with Shooter there, even if Bendis turns in things on time his shit stories would have triggered Shooter.

Damifag! How are you?

Is Saga really that good? Should I try it?

Cred Forums hates it, so give it a shot

It's all right. I haven't followed it in a long time, though.

Have you noticed that rebirth is a hit with new readers as wrll.
Turns out new readers want the same things old readers do.

>they can't get themselves a new audience at all
You mean like the buddy cop audience for green lanterns and the political intrigue audience for aquman.

Besides its not just capeshit despite no rebirth branding rebirth has brought us hana barbra and young animal.

Superman is an american icon on the level of lady liberty.

It starts out great but around issue 20 it starts to feel padded and right now there doesn't seem to be a clear ending in sight. Not a bad thing but I'm wondering if all this is headed anywhere

Im pretty sure richs stuff is auctual sales the stores make.

Its a very small sample size though.

>2. Teen Titans Rebirth #1
Wow.

It's popular, you might like it. Personally I gave up after couple of arcs because it just ended up becoming entirely meandering with no real sense of direction and the story stopped being remotely interesting. Suffers enormously from cliffhanger syndrome, where it strings you along with shocking endings and the stuff between the cover and the twist ending leaves more than a little to be desired.

Love Jonboy's style. Really thought it worked well in the Teen Titans.

Well yeah, Teen Titans is a popular brand and it's a new number one.

Only casuals who never read a damn Flash book enjoys Godspeed. It'll probably have a huge drop in second arc if Williamson doesn't figure his shit out.

I think the most important part is that the whole industry is selling more. This is great news for everybody.

Most definitely.

>yfw Marvel deserves everything thats happening to them

When will Axel and Tom hang themselves out of shamefur?