DC To Revive WildStorm Imprint, Curated By Warren Ellis

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So, like, what's the appeal of WildStorm?

I'm genuinely curious.

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Why does Engineer look like a humanised plane

Why do I feel like I can already find porn of her if I look up humanised planes

His hands are so tiny

edge

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Moore's WildCATs
Casey's WildCATs
Casey's Majestic
Ellis' Stormwatch
The Authority
Welcome to Tranquility
Sleeper

VERTIGO REBIRTH WHEN

t. casual

All these basic designs make me think they are trying to make this for a tv show or something

I just hope he sticks with this one longer than he did NewUniversal. You'd think DC would require writers to use dropbox or some shit.

Sometimes I hate art

>Hawkman and Deathstroke fighting Pike
>Helspont being Superman's big bad
>Stormwatch having J'onn for some reason
I did like Grifter during Futures End a lot, though.
Guns, babes and superpowers?

SciFi Superheros with big action, cool concepts and pretty unique characters (that used 90s designs but hey). Also creators could test out new things (The Authority, Planetary)

>DC To Revive WildStorm Imprint,
>Curated By Warren Ellis

Welcome to the Zone, STALKER.
Angriest private detective in the world.
Predatorformer?

I like Ellis but none of this looks or sounds interesting yet.

Pretty much, yeah. DC realized the Wildstorm characters didn't fit their mainline universe.

Young Animal is the Vertigo Rebirth - where it's a mature imprint that uses niche DC properties in ways that hover on the edge of cannon. Vertigo itself is going to be their straight creator owned material.

Middy/Apollo are DCU property baby. Thanks Orlando (unironicaly).

FUCK YEAH BASED DC SAVING COMICS

That was Marvel, not DC.

I hope Graymiotti writes Majestic again.

>Vertigo itself is going to be their straight creator owned material no one reads or cares about
FTFY

Edgy, over the top, husbados and waifus fighting cosmic threats and overthrowing governments.

I think its for the better. They need to launch a paralell Hellblazer for Vertigo though..The imprint just needs John

So, just like any other creator owned publisher?

>no Gen13/DV8 so far (though one of them is in another book already)

Should be like Young Animal where it's part of DC but it exists on the fringe and they largely interact with their own set. They'd probably get Midnighter and Apollo to show up every now and then, since those two have managed to make the jump to mainline DC.

Never read Wildstorm
Except for planetary
Is it any good

Books they should reprint:
21 Down
Albion
Majestic
The Resistance
Twilight Experiment
Claw the Unconquered

I hope the Planetary characters show up again.

The whole JSA situation in Rebirth is right up their alley.

So Ellis won't be writing for Marvel since he has his own imprint now?

Yes.

Awww shit dreams do come true.

That won't make Ellis any more reliable.

>Following on the heels of the success of Gerard Way's Young Animal imprint

Its only been one issue?

Then what's the problem? You have your capefag fix, capefag.

DC has editors.

I knew there was a reason I had the sudden urge to pull my Wild C.A.T.S. #1-4 issues out of storage this weekend.

The thing is Vertigo was a pretty big deal for a long time but then they got greedy

What else do you have in storage, user?

You can count on them reprinting more Jim Lee books, like they did with Deathblow and Divine Right.

>still assblasted
Go back to Imagay then.

Say that to TWD and Saga.

Also his more obscure C-23.

>Imagay
The only one who sounds butthurt is you, friendo.

>You can count on them reprinting more Jim Lee books, like they did with Deathblow and Divine Right.
They need to release Moore's run digitally, reprint that and Casey's stuff.

>he likes TWD and Saga

I'm wondering what Majestic will be like as envisioned by Ellis.

For 90s stuff? I think the first dozen issues of Spawn, some Maxx. I also pulled out the first Stormwatch and Deathblow issues due to the urge, so I guess I felt the Wildstorm announcement coming.

I'm getting old.

Imagine 90s Marvel, but well written and interesting.

Where were you when DC decided to bring out the nostalgia?
I was Sat at home when Lee called and said
"Wildstorm is a go"
"Yes"

>Ellis
It will be crap.

>Pulling out old issues to check them out again and have fun is being assblasted.

Shame, I loved the W.I.L.D.CATS / X-Men crossover

I'm not saying I like them, casual, I'm saying they're actually successful creator owned books, unlike the stuff Vertigo churns out these days. But I take it reading comprehension isn't your forte, eh?

So dc fix their relationship, with Isabella, Ellis, and Priest. This one is kinda hard.

Any of them worth anything or?
kek
You shut your whore mouth

Hah, kinda. I mean, you pull out WildCATs and we'll get them soon. Find some of rare jewels and Rebirth them, user.

I was talking to the Vertigo hater, user.

>I'm not saying I like cock, but I like cock
OK.

user they had 12 books come out winter 2015 and only 3 of them remain

And with Clean Room's artist being on this, Clean Room is probably over too

Earth 13 by Moore?

>>I'm not saying I like cock, but I like cock
>OK.
Oh, so you're just shitposting. Alright then.

Don't forget Rucka.
They also need to rebuild a bridge with Waid.

Moore just wants nothing to do with his past works anymore, it's got nothing to do with his relationship with DC.

Gimmie that Gen 13 Ellis, spiced up with DV8.

Sure why not.

>Young Animal
>Hanna Barbera
>wildstorm
>vertigo
So there's gonna be like 10-12 non DCU books?

>Any of them worth anything or?
If I get some signed and appraised, sure I suppose. Most 90s comics are worthless.

It's been a pleasure laughing at you, casual.

Flaming is against the rules, newfriend. Enjoy your ban.

Gods and Monsters is so underrated I'd rather just have DV8 alone.

I told you fags this would be its own line

Pull out Animal Man and Swamp Thing ASAP you cuck.

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Waid coming back to DC to save Superman when?

Tomasi and Gleason are doing a pretty good job at it, so never.

Now kiss.

Johns had dinner with Waid a couple of weeks ago. Only a matter of time.

Don't know if it was you, but I did see anons saying this is what they were gonna do. I doubted. Looks like they were right, and I was wrong.

>JLA yesterday
>Wildstorm today
>Percy hinting for tomorrow

DC CANT STOP WONT STOP

This.
I wouldn't be mad if they gave him Action though.

You have a very lax definition of good.

Too bad Percy is a shitty writer.

>>Warren Ellis will return to DC
Ewww

Moore's long past his prime anyway, the last League book was garbage.

CLANG CLANG

It's alright user. It's not going to be as good as Morrison's run or as ambitious as Johns' post Infinite Crisis stuff.

He has his flaws but shitty is too far. Mediocre at worst.

wooo!
his dv8 was the best

Seriousness with worldly issues.
Fun violence but not like Ultimatum crap.

Did they ever have a bad relationship with Priest. The dude seems chill with no ill will towards anybody. It's just that he didn't want to write black characters.

>>THE WILD STORM will serve as a launching pad for several future series: Michael Cray, WildC.A.T.S. and Zealot.
>No Jack Hawksmoor
You had ONE fucking job...

Is that suppose to be Zealot?

>tfw DC is literally doing a Rebirth akin to what happened in the 80s and 90s post-Crisis
This is a god tier time to be a DChad.

Too bad about the artwork. Fucking Ramos, I swear.

Millar also is in good terms with DiDio. He's coming in the next years to do his definitive Superman take. He's really excited to do it as he's a massive Superman nerd.

Waid is not even worth it anymore he's been doing nothing but edgy superman ripoffs for years now.

If they don't sexualize Voodoo & Zealot (voodoo takes priority) I WILL BURN SHIT DOWN!

I hope this flops.

And PoC Superman ripoffs.

That sound you hear is /m/ fapping.

Meh, he's a big man now to do ongoings for Marvel or DC. He'll likely do some out of continuity mini. Not that it's a bad thing, but nothing worth fawning over.

I merely feel the ripples of change in the multiverse, user. I don't cause them.

But it did. Manhunter being on Stormwatch was a fucking great idea.

>edgy superman ripoffs
You know why? He has been denied Superman for too long and it's become unhealthy obsession. Johns will save his friend.

Oh shit we hyper crisis now!
Quick how does Wildstorm tie into it?

Calm down, cheecakefag. Jesus.

Shitty people don't deserve saving.

Waid on Shazam

I hope DCKomics could work on something.
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>Why does Engineer look like a humanised plane
Ah fuck you, you made me remember.

How do you go from this To this

>Waid on a book starring a teenager

No.

Holy shit they upped the edge to 100 with grift

Wildstorm never really interested me outside of Deathblow and Backlash, but I'll certainly give this shit a chance when it comes out

It's over the top mate, as it should be. I see nothing wrong with it.

Aw shit, fuckers!

That Engineer design is the only one that's not bland as all fuck.

I would really like if he made an out of continuity sequel to Birthright, though. Just give him freedom to tell the story he wants without having him worry about whatever bullshit continuity DC has at the moment.

Yes, is Zealot.

Are they going to announce everything before the con? What the fuck are they leaving for the event?

Karnak has one issue left anyways. At this point, it should just be the artist holding it up.

So Ellis is no longer Marvel exclusive? Man, they must be shitting their pants with how fast they're losing creators right now.

Are they announcing everything before the Con?

>Why does Engineer look like a humanised plane
cause she's a fucking engineer

Did he ever get confirmed exclusive? Might just be that

>Just give him freedom to tell the story he wants without having him worry about whatever bullshit continuity
Sort of Mark waid being allowed to play by DC You rules? I'd be totally okay with that.

So, Seeley on Zealot?

IT IS going to be an out of continuity mini. He is now dedicated 100% to his own work, but this is a special project he wanted to do since forever.

They always announce shit before the con

Jim Lee and Warren Ellis will have sex right there on the stage on top of a Wildstorm logo.
Then Grant will use the energies from that to open a hole to the mutliverse.

There's still the rest of the JLA, writer announcements for Wildstorm, and a bunch of other Wave 2 Rebirth books we don't know about

>>no Gen13/DV8 so far (though one of them is in another book already)
what? who?
is fairchild back?

the wildCATS stuff was always about covert ops

it's basically what warren ellis is doing with his james bond comic

Out of continuity minis aren't really "DCYou rules". They're pretty standard.

>tfw you will never lock Moore and Morrison in a room together and not let them out until they've hashed out their differences and created a new comic for DC together

Ellis hasn't been Marvel exclusive for years. He just wasn't doing DC shit

Is this the best period in DC's publishing history since ever I guess? DC is literally announcing Comickinos left and right. This is the best time to be a DCfag.

Man, I really hope this means that some of their less mainline series get a chance at conclusions.

Pretty much, yeah. Though I fear DC wouldn't ever allow that because Waid is a big name and they would want him working with the big profile titles like Action or Superman.

no
it's lucy blaze
she's a different character

zealot is a trillion year old immortal alien swordsman

lucy blaze is the girlfriend/apprentice of john lynch (wildstorm's nick fury)

didn't they announce that they were making a milestone imprint like a year ago? have they said anything new about it?

MOTHER FUCK!
Die in a grease fire DC.

I know, I'm mostly joking since it Engineer had nanotechnology and this one looks like she's going to go with a power suit.

I'm okay with this

Waid should come back to save Flash family. The book has been nothing but mediocrity since he and Johns left.

Yes, but I'm saying give him a series, like Adventures of Superman or whatever, and don't make it a mini. Keep it an ongoing. Just let Waid write different stories, set in whatever status quos they need to be set it, completely unchained to any continuity.
I think we're on the same page. I'd be okay with it.

It's supposed to be a line of OGNs and Priest had an interview at SDCC where he mentioned that they're working on it. I think Hudlin's schedule is kind of the issue there.

Seeley wants to pitch LADYTRON IN LOVE.

No.

James Tynion and Ben Percy announced they have something coming up. And I suspect Tom King's pitch is going to be a part of that new wave.

Looks Metal Gear solid as fuck, I love it.

His post-IC Wally run was part of the problem. I don't want him back.

Waid just isn't good anymore. I don't see why people have trouble getting this. It would be like Jurgens.

Like he did last time? Keep that hack away from DC

85-95 was fucking amazing. Thought they're seemingly aiming to be the best they have been in many, many years, I must admit.

Milestone has been MIA for months. They were supposed to have a Static webseries and new books out by now.

Lucy Blaze is the alias Zealot used.

Very Metal Gear

Most speculation here is that King is probably getting Legion

I love Ellis, but every one of these designs are fucking atrocious.

>Jenny Sparks
Fuck yes. She gonna be the Spirit of the 21st century now?

Priest said he's started talking to them about it and Hudlin is in on it but has other stuff to work on

It's a line of OGNs and minis so the priority of it is pretty low

Grifter has that school shooter vibe

No, he pitched something of his own to DC, whch he claimed was something special to him.

>His post-IC Wally run was part of the problem

Waid himself said several times that his comeback was sabotaged by editors.

With Will Smith Jr? No, thanks.
That's fucking nothing then.

What's Brevoort thought process currently? He can't get Ellis to write more than 6 generic action memey issues of Marvel characters and DC literally will have him overseeing a whole imprint. If I'm Brevoort I'm killing myself ASAP.

Who among Comics Alliance writers wants to write comic?

Of course it was...

But Khouri was a nice get for DC.

Brevoort can do nothing. Ellis loves Jim Lee

DC IS SAVED THEY CAN DO NO WRONG LOVE IS BACK

And ones that went to Marvel weren't. Why stop now?

...it wasn't

From the sound of it they "fixed" the relationship by offering him a white book.

This. DC is even taking the good talent there.

Marvel really needs to revamp their scouting department.

This and it's probably not going to be Legion, as he implied it's something experimental and it's pretty obvious DC is going the traditional route with a Legion Rebirth.

They thought they had a bad relationship with Priest because last couple of tomes they tried to contact him to write something he said "no".

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Gotta love Priest. He doesn't want to be typecast as the black guy who writes black characters.

And to think that a few years ago Marvel was getting all the talent that DC was bleeding. Funny how things change.

Marvel doesn't want good writers. They pay writers substantially less than artists. They want good art.

There was a survey done that showed that Marvel paid a lot more for art than writing, while DC did the opposite.

Don't forget Hickman

Race traitors, amirite?

We haven't really seen anyone's costumes yet.

We have Grifter here but he's always worn some form of casual clothing or military attire save for his mask.

Same with Deathblow in his non-combat attire here who also basically wears military attire and a headband.

We have Zealot in casual attire here and we don't see her fighting attire.

Craven here never really had a superhero outfit.

And we have Angela in her casual attire here and her Engineer form here which is the closest we've seen for "superhero" looks.

Unless you have something more specific I find that hard to believe. It's not like the problems were plots being dropped or even just the concept. The writing just wasn't good. You can do cute adventures with Wally and his kids without it being bad.

I hope it's something for Young Animal.

That's kind of the problem though, you can't rely on just taking talent from your competition. You need to be finding something on your own as well or you end up like this.

They still kind of are.

t. Nostalgiafags

Plebbit probably thinks so.

He said he knew Barry was coming back the moment they gave him the book, his run was nothing more than a filler in DC's eyes. So he had to retain himself from ragequitting the book for the sake of his editor and just filled without having any motivation.

You can find those interviews anywhere.

Hey, Marvel found Leth on their own. That's gotta count for something, right?!

>We haven't really seen anyone's costumes yet.
plus this is just concept art, not final products

Coming from someone that thinks Rebirth and this WS revival are "the best thing ever"? That's just hilarious.

He wanted to do something with the Atomic Knights. That would fit Young Animal perfectly as it is a pretty obscure DC property.

Sounds like the problem is entirely with Waid and not the editor.

That's why I said it needs to be something specific because that doesn't sound like editorial is to blame for him writing bad stories though. Usually when we talk about editorial problems it has to do with them forcing bad plots or themes. Bringing Barry back didn't mean that Wally's kids had to be obnoxious and unlikable. That's still on him.

Source on this? Sounds made up shit desu.
And if it's not King on Legion than It's Hackman, praise be our setup Lord.

The AMA he did on Reddit a few months ago and tweets.

He never had any problems with DC, he hasn't even worked with them or pitched them anything. What're you talking about?

Not even fucking close. I know Cred Forums doesn't know shit but this incessant jizzing over mediocrity created by the same people that brought about the worst period in the companies history has got to stop sometime.

unless there's some real innovation here by Ellis, i'll be skipping this. WildCATS had great runs under Moore and Casey, as well as Moore's contribution to that universe with Judgment Day. that's about it. Sleeper, too, i guess. i was really disappointed Morrison didn't continue with his run on CATS. don't much care for any of the other titles or characters.

So is this power armor Engineer instead of nanotech Engineer or is she looking just more mech-like?

Rebirth is more serviceable than post Crisis DCU of late 80s/early 90s. This will give us some great runs like that period did, other stuff will be forgotten. Now DC has experimental shit with Young Animals and those minis, hipster shit for vertigofags and WS Rebirth for 90s nostalgiafags. It's too early to say if it ends up being the best period everrrr but it certainly is the most diversified.

Wildstorm actually kept DC afloat and had some of the best writers in the business working on it (and spawning some of the best writers and artists we currently have now).

It's easy to dismiss a lot of early Wildstorm stuff as "edgy" but it was really novel at the time, they brought in a lot of new ideas and helped boost Image.

People like Jim Lee, Alan Moore, Warren Ellis made Wildstorm what it was.

>seriously responding to someone using a Cred Forums meme

>WildCATS had great runs under Moore and Casey, as well as Moore's contribution to that universe with Judgment Day. that's about it.
thats more than 2/3rds of their comics

Yeah that said it's both experimental and mainstream. Sounds like his take on a semi popular property.

Read Sleeper too.

Yeah.
Gen13 is what Teen Titans and Gen-X should have been.
DV8 was fantastic.
WildCATS was a wild take on superheroes in a weirder universe.
Authority is a classic.
Deathblow is sort of militaresque Punisher.
Backlash is sort of Deathstroke if he were a good guy and spy (even has a daughter).

>Not even fucking close.

They need to make friends with Peter David too.

This bland as shit isn't even close to the quality that DC was putting out during the late 80s/early 90s.

Immediate post-crisis was kind of iffy but it hit the sweet spot around 90-91

I still like 70-80s stuff the best though at least for the big 2

They started reprinting his Supergirl at least

>become big name comic writer
>handle gwenpool or red wolf or some shit
>get paid 30 dollars a page

>These Fashion Model poses

disgusting

Other than Ostrander's stuff, few Charlton characters run, JLI most of that stuff is definition of mediocrity my friend. Take off your nostalgia goggles.

The big names would be on the higher end of that scale, generally speaking.

>THEY CANCELLED MY FLASH REPRINT REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>Oh it just got delayed
>JAY GARRICK IS A BAD GUY IN THE FLASH SHOW REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>Oh, it was a fake out. It's not like I work in the capeshit industry and know that death and heel turns mean nothing.

Except for Batman under O'Neil's editorial, DC weren't doing anything groundbreaking with their A-listers during that time either.

How can I have nostalgia when I started reading comics only 10 years ago?

I hope they don't waste good talent on this.

Writers: Ellis, Seeley, Tynion
Artists: Merino, D'Anda, Billy Tan

Death and Return of superman was truly a work of art

So... Moore Swamp Thing, Watchmen, Morrison Animal Man and Doom Patrol, Skreemer, DeMatteis Dr. Fate, Hawkworld or Deadman Life After Death are the definition of mediocrity? Then what do you call Rebirth?
Not even gonna count Vertigo.

Take off your pleb glasses.

So much so that for Rebirth they brought in the same writer to do more Superman stuff.

Oh OK so you've only read bunch of most recommended run and you think your opinion of overall quality is worth a shit.

again, for every good comic back in the day we had stuff like EXTREME JUSSSSSSSTICE, so yeah the entire thing was always a few diamonds on a sea of shit

No I've marathoned a lot on my own. Just saying any nostalgia I'd have is for stuff like 52.

You're making a lot of strange assumptions.

>most of that stuff
>""""most""""

Why limit it to "back in the day"? Literally every era is like that.

>No I've marathoned a lot on my own.
So you'd know how much straight up garbage DC produced back then too.

The good out weight the bad. And there were far more experimental titles, obscure characters betting attention and creators trying to elevate the medium. Rebirth has none of that. Rebirth is a better example of a few diamonds in a sea of shit.

>double the variants
>no triple them

What are the odds of Milestone doubling down and becoming a pop-up imprint under DC?

And other than Milestone, what other imprints could be possible after Young Animal and Wildstorm?

Any publisher at any given moment will publish a lot of shit. There was just less then than there is now. And the really good titles back then were REALLY good.

Yeah every era has bad stuff. I only commented on his range because I felt like the main universe stuff needed a little time to settle in and added that bronze age was generally my favorite regardless. Are you reading the posts you're replying to?

>Has anyone ever done a 1:1 million variant before

>And there were far more experimental titles
most who never really got anything, and the only real success they had was Animal man and swamp thing, also Young animal
>The good out weight the bad
Not really, Tittles like catwoman that only existed for crossovers, stuff like Extreme justice. GL was on a dire situation

Look at you, you can barely name a few titles that were even bad... What's next casual, you gonna count Jared Fate as bad? Meanwhile Rebirth is the very definition of mediocrity. And Young Animal? Shit's barely even out and you're already calling it a success? Only DP #1 is out, how can you vouche for the quality of the other three?

>The good out weight the bad.
Literally any era. Even new 52 or post Infinite Crisis or DCYou.
>And there were far more experimental titles, obscure characters betting attention and creators trying to elevate the medium.
DC has literally 3 lines dedicated to this now, Hannah Barbera, Young Animals and Vertigo.
>Rebirth has none of that. Rebirth is a better example of a few diamonds in a sea of shit.
We're not just talking mainline DC friend, broaden your horizons.

Hanna Barbers is a cute idea but not very experimental. Vertigo is just creator owned stuff nowadays and YA barely started. Do you really think these three imprints can compete with classic Vertigo alone? And then there's the titles I mentioned that are main line DC.

>DC is only rebirth
I'm not even liking the current rebirth, but you're comparing an entire era to what, six months of mainstream rebirth and one issue of YA and a few HB.

So I guess Clean Room is ending. The only Vertigo comic I'm reading.
And what we get in return is more shit-tier Wildstorm from Ellis, the guy who kicked off the Millar age of edgelord capes.
Fuck it, I'm done

I didn't, follow the replies, he's the one that makes the comparison in the first place and thinks Rebirth is better.

>not very experimental.
Objectively wrong. It's quite experimental, almost too experimental for the majority. And also I can't say about other anons but DC's output currently the most diversified it has been, certainly more varied than that era. How good it all ends up being, we'll know in due time.

The bad far outweighed the good in New 52, you have no idea what you are talking about. And DC putting out Hanna Barbera comics is nothing new either.

You're objectively wrong.

Actually pick a random year from the 90s and compare it to the current output and tell me there's more diversity now. I'll wait.

New 52>Rebirth.

>The only Vertigo comic I'm reading.
You're not even reading best Vertigo.
>the guy who kicked off the Millar age of edgelord capes.
Blame Marlel and Millar for taking it as face value.

New 52=Rebirth

Khouri was and is an editor.

Chris Sims and Kate Leth where and are writers.

You can see why not even Khouri is sticking his neck out to get those clowns hired.

No I'm not.
I don't have the full chronological list currently, do enlighten me if you do.

Hide this from the Metal Gear people.

Also rule 34 when?

just when I thought that DC couldn't wow me more, I get this. What's next? Unpublished Bob Finger stories and designs?

cont. I mean, I'm not even a DCfag, but I must admit that I do get impressed

Are they doing submissions for that yet?
I wanna write a comic

Waid superman is shit

me too.

Khouri had an art column

Brevpoort is trash litterally ruining marvel

Return of the King of Cities fucking when?!

But he does invite clowns to tour DC.

>new iterations of WildStorm characters such as Grifter, Voodoo
How long before he kills them off in WildCATs vs. Flintstones
Seriously this guy is the worst thing to ever happen to Wildstorm, why would anyone be excited about him coming back to do more damage

Lol. But seriously kill yourself.

Who's Angela?

Nothing good came out of it.

Oh, get over it, all of those characters came back anyway.

The Engineer.

Moore and Casey's Wildcats storytime when?

>$30 to $90 a page
>Average comic book is 22 pages
>$660 to $1,980 per issue
>Average trade is 6 issues
>$3,960 to $11,880 per trade

I know it doesn't work exactly like that, but damn. That's one hell of a difference between DC and Marvel's lowest rates.

>Oh, get over it, all of those characters came back anyway.
The point is that he has no interest in working with characters other than his own and has historically shown nothing but disdain for this universe. They should get someone who actually wants to write Wildstorm or just have Ellis do a new Authority book since that's how this is all going to end up anyway.

Seriously, how incompetent do you have to be not to give this guy an ongoing? He has so much more potential than these other shitters.

>T-Rex hands