Why did you abandon libertarianism?

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Somewhere around the time I realized no society or economy works like an isolated petri dish. Libertarianism is too much of an all or nothing ideology.

When Libertarians decided their autistic philosophy could no longer stand against something as plainly destructive as open borders and demographic replacement.

Also, when I got in shape, got some pussy, and found a qt3.14 Nationalist wife, and got involved in local politics, it sunk in that wielding state authority can produce great results.

Libertarians actually hate government because of the shit government does, because most government is controlled by subhuman Commies, cat ladys, and mall-cop authoritarians. It doesn't need to be that way. Go weild some state authority, you spergs, so it can be done well.

exactly. we can start talking about how to achieve the ideal society but we need to make sure we HAVE a fucking society first.

I came to the realization that some functions, but only a few, are better performed by the state. Also, for many functions, I think it is acceptable for the government to enter the market as a minimal profit participant, in order to set standards. I think that is preferable to regulation.

I didn't. My libertarian leaning has always been right. I've merely adapted to tolerate less leftist bullshit. On Top of that, it's become far more American first in approach to geopolitics

>I've noticed that many on here have ditched libertarianism for more statist ideologies. What are your reasons? I still consider myself a libertarian, but I confess that the ideology probably only works with certain people and cultures. I guess I'm a libertarian nationalist.

I'm a Pinochet-style libertarian. We need temporary authoritarianism to correct some horrendous shit happening to western society before we can literally even discuss free markets and private property based societies.

Yep.

I would say goverment is good to gather resources to push science and enginerring forward.

Once they have done that, companies must do it because they are more efficient.

That's just anecdotal shit m8 so take it with a grain of salt.
But I've legitimately met nothing but antisocial libertarians, again that's my personal experience but a very weird one.
Libertarianism needs a perfect society that agrees to behave in accordance to the ideals they have but that's never the case and people are shitty.
Irl I agree with a lot of the shit proposed by them but they tend to go off the deep end and come off as spergs

I went from anarchist to minarchist.

Libertarianism is not sufficient to combat degeneracy. A strong state is needed to promote national identity, including morals.

I can have no common ground with libertarians as they are psychopathic Jews.

They don't care about morals.
They don't care about community.
They don't care about art.

All they care about is their property. That's it. In their opinions, there should be no consideration of morality, no concern for the people, no value placed upon anything that does not profit them.

They argue using their own definitions. That they've learned with their own dictionaries, and they will slander you for not using their rhetoric. They will label anyone who doesn't agree with them as a "statist", which is nothing more than a strawman. And if you disagree with them on any point, for any reason, they will declare that surely you must carry all of these characteristics. This has happened every time I have tried to debate them.

They argue like Jews. They hide behind concepts that they refuse to define clearly, like "natural law" or "the non-aggression principle", and they constantly bring these up (while refusing to say what they actually mean) as a shield against any criticism. And they will constantly deny doing so. When proven wrong on something, inescapably, they will later declare that they remember winning the argument. In fact, they adhere so closely to Adolf Hitler's description of his experience debating with Jews, that it is almost uncanny, and it's really not surprising that so many of the most influential libertarian thinkers were Jewish themselves.

I cannot agree with anyone who thinks it is acceptable to torture an animal because it is "his property".
I cannot agree with anyone who thinks that a strong government is a bad thing.
I cannot agree with anyone who seeks to further the destruction of a white nation and its folk.

Libertarianism is a Jewish cancer that is diametrically opposed to the well being of the white race.

we had to adopt a stronger candidate and positions after we fractured the GOP.

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This. We need something stronger than than libertarians to fight the retard-safe space-SJW crowd.

Libertarianism isn't unique in that aspect though. All ideologies only work with certain cultures. For example, communism wouldn't work in a heavily individualist society like the west and democracy wouldn't work in the Middle East because, for the most part, culturally they don't acknowledge individual rights and respect secular beliefs. That's why trying to force democracy in the Middle East hasn't worked.

Libertarianism is a White Right Man's ideology. Right now, in Western Europe and North America, libertarianism can never be realized with the significant non-White, non-Christian, non-conservative population. Perhaps in the far future libertarianism can be given a chance. In the present European Men need to take control of their nations and societies if Western Civilization is to survive.

Adapt
OR
Perish

Reminder that Hoppean paleolibertarianism is the ultimate redpill

Oh yes, Jews absolutely love individual rights and hate the idea of controlling people via (((the state))). There's nothing Jews hate more than running a big government which owns all of the land, writing arbitrary laws, collecting taxes and having people be reliant on them. Up is down, black is white, you're not retarded.

Also this:

North America and Europe is the POSSESSION of the White Man. These continents are the PRIVATE PROPERTY of the White Race.

Non-Whites are invaders, non-Christians are an existential threat, non-nationalists are usurpers. Therefore it is in self-defense and a non-violation of the Non-Aggression Principle to purge these these trespassers from each White Continent.

I think I'm going the same way desu. The more you learn about how the left operate the more you realise what needs to be done...

Couldn't have said it better myself.

What's your opinion on Pinochet? Not all libertarians are 'muh NAP' 'muh open border' types...I want to see violence against the left because they are a direct threat to the country. But if you think big government in control of everything is successful then read a history book. This is where National Socialists and Communists overlap in the retarded stakes.

Yes, that's the right story. Give us our authoritarian government like a good Goy. Don't worry, we'll have a couple of white people to make you useful idiots happy.

Not really. Most libertarians would be better described as minarchists if you want to nitpick over word choice, we aren't hardline ideologues, we just realize that a big government causes more problems than it solves and we want to keep them in check.

Yes user, globalist (((coorporations))) truly have the white races interest at heart

This. I don't get why people think libertarians are autists...I never used the NAP in arguments, ever. I'm just a small government conservative.

>he doesn't know about Hoppe's anarchocapitalism
Shame on you.

>Killing commies
>Jewish conspiracy

Not an argument.

Because Gary Johnson is a cuck and Ron Paul no longer exist.

Anyone that isn't a Chris Cantwell/HHH/Pinochet tier libertarian is a pozzed cuck tbqh
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two words mah nigga: hoppe libertarnism.

I believe Libertarianism is an ideal or a sort of goal you always strive for but can never actually reach.

We'll probably never be able to have an unregulated un-taxed society and have a strong/safe one at the same time. Getting as close to that ideal as we can is a worthy goal though.