And when will you finally have a great right-wing party?
Daniel Baker
Can't wait to see Podemos losing more votes
Jason Morgan
2nd for based valencia
Logan Cruz
Why doesnt spain have a leader such as trump, geert, farage etc? Are we too cucked?
Joshua Lee
Takwa rejeb it really makes you think..
Joshua Miller
>Rajoy >Authority
Colton Clark
>When will you finally have a government? Nobody knows, we might even have third elections on Christmas.
>And when will you finally have a great right-wing party? Probably after France and Italy do, Spaniards can't think by themselves. We get a lot of American shit for some reason and it creates far too many brain dead lefties.
Jose Adams
We have no leaders here, the politicalparty-cracy makes it impossible along with separation of powers.. and separation between nation and state
Nolan Reed
Opinions about the MCRC?
Hunter Myers
What happened to the Spanish economy? I hear very little about Spain and would like to know more.
Alexander Carter
>he doesn't vote carlists
Nicholas Ross
I'm with them pham
How long are you in?
It's funny how I see now the media after the red pills from trevijano
Liam Williams
The grand thieves couldn't form a government so it's stable-ish
I discovered them the last year, for the moment seems the more logic movement.
Charles Wright
It's fairly easy.
1975: pib per capita as ireland. today: 2/3 pib per capita of ireland.
They sold our industry to enter the EU so we won't put competition to germoney and france. Then they sold our national companies to enter the euro.
Now we got euros and unemployment.
Also we throw about 1/5 of our wealth into corruption per year
Nathaniel Hill
Typical shit muslims pull And they always pull the victim card afterwards And the media jump on it like rats
David Scott
Basque independence when
Blake Perez
Just side with Felipe VI, may God protect him, he is the most based thing we have after Santiago Abascal
Adam Kelly
We always had, it only matters now because the effects are easily felt.
If they didn't sell the country to the EU nobody would care.
Mason White
Never. Spain remains united.
Bentley Walker
Nice I'm about 2 years in.
It's a shame that no one on this country will give them voice.
Christopher Powell
>MCRC >Movimiento Ciudadano hacia la República Constitucional
Into the trash it goes.
Jace Bailey
>supporting a dying group Why not stick with the legitimate branch of the monarchy now that they aren't directly involved with libtards?
Aaron Perez
The whole thing it's just about throwing the constitution into the trash and putting a constitution based 'like' the USA one.
But I guess that you are pro-monarchy.. y un vasallo
Levi Cox
Would love them even more if they quit their anti-monarchy shit, which would actually give them more followers actually
Easton Scott
>En junio de 2014, durante su primera semana de reinado, Felipe VI se reunió con diversas asociaciones del colectivo LGBT, así como diversas oenegés afines a este colectivo. El encuentro fue celebrado por diversos medios nacionales e internacionales, así como diversas asociaciones relacionadas con el colectivo >A principios de 2015, se convirtió en la portada de la revista LGBT Ragap, manifestando su acercamiento al colectivo, siendo así el primer jefe de Estado español en aparecer en una revista orientada a la comunidad LGBT.
Our king is cucked.
Adam Ward
How bad is the muslim situation in Spain compared to the rest of Europe??
Juan Butler
PNV?
Owen Hall
quite good, I've never met a muslim (in Jaén), but I hear it's pretty bad in Barcelona
Jaxon Robinson
la prensa en españa no para de hablar mal de trump y bien de hillary. que asco de pais comprado con dinero judío, se le tendría que caer la cara de verguenza a todos los dueños de los periodicos. panda de comprados sin cojones. son peores que los diarios deportivos. deberían llamarlo diario de publicidad subjetiva manipuladora.
Lincoln Martinez
barcelona is terrible. only chinese, morrocans, pakis
Lucas Hernandez
THIS MUST BE FAKE, GLOBALIST PROPAGANDA!!!1!1!1!!
Noah Anderson
Barcelona is full of them Lots of Pakis here it's disgusting At least our anti-terror's pretty fucking good Somehow lots of them are engulfed into the whole "cosmopolitan city" bullshit so they go on their own, not disturbing. It's just the fucking progressives ruling the city that want to forcely blanda up
Jaxon Long
Hijo de traidor, nieto de traidor y descendiente de traidores.
Eso pasa por apoyar a un gabacho
Brayden Flores
>basques >desiring independence unironically
They have benefits given to them by the central government, none of the basque independence parties actually think it is a good idea
Young people who are neither studying or working are at least actually working in the underground economy, right?
Juan Richardson
I can't believe it, this must be fake, anyway I'm switching allegiance, good job brother, now you have one more carlist in the army
Joshua Anderson
% of youth doesn't study nor work. What do they do then? Live off their parents or welfare?
Robert Wood
Yep
Kevin Bailey
barcelona: restaurants, bars and prostitutes = chinese supermarkets and hair salons = pakistani drug sellers = morrocan and spics luxury brand imitations = africans loud obnoxious unfunny troublemakers = argentinian
spanish and catalan are hidden in their office and home.
Nathaniel Sanchez
Probably not, they live with their parents and leeching.
Christian Moore
>tfw based Spain give us a beautiful country and we ruin everything
S-sorry, Dad.
Asher Gutierrez
Fuck, here, from my personal experience at least, they seem to be working.
Evan Powell
I mean which is more prevalent of the two? What I want to know is if you have welfare issues over there.
Eli Williams
>carlists >not just other bourbon-parma cock-suckers
Joshua Collins
Welfare? here?
kek
We use our money on corruption
Alexander Morgan
How do we solve the leftist problem?
Christian Brown
Nationalism Catholicism.
The Church need to have the power again
Josiah Campbell
Dude the church here has nothing but power here. The fucking Opus Dei rules with an iron fist. They don't pay no fucking taxes, they can expoliate any "historical building" like the alhambra because reasons and nobody does fucking anything. They do what they please here.
Colton White
They live off their parents mostly.
Jacob Sanchez
What they do with alhambra?
Justin Evans
Sure thing kid. I've seen christian monuments where I live over the years get vandalized and they never get repaired.
Brody Kelly
The church is the reason why spain has always been a shit hole financially speaking since 14th century.
We need nationalism again, but gtfo catholicism and religions.
Btw, spaniards, who are you voting for nowadays? or are you against this false system called ''democracy'' full of corrupted politicians?
Lucas Kelly
That's because the church owns them. And they never repair anything until the local goberment buts in and pays for the repair with the money of everyone. Who do you think owns the Sagrada Familia? And who do you think is paying for that shit.
Sebastian Rodriguez
>whoarethecatholicskings.jpg
Ethan Rogers
Good. Let every Mosque or Islamic construction within Europe be given to the Holy Church.
Jose King
I care more about literally any other country´s political news that my own. If change comes to this country to drive it away from eternal failure it will not be by the hands of these fucking niggers
Joshua Morris
Podemos, I hate them but I will vote for them because I know they want to modify the constitution to deal better with corruption. Simply put I hate every single political party in spain. If a man or woman gets into politics in this country is to steal and expoliate as much as they can. Fucking country of waiters and whores.
Brandon Gomez
this desu
William Watson
>going to study in Salamanca for a year soon
Fuck what do I do
Caleb Lee
and by these fucking niggers I mean politicians if that was not clear enough Not a single one should survive
Aiden Edwards
Fuck off dad
Ryder Johnson
but user, they just want to replace "corruption" with "communism"
Cameron Wood
>ITT: We wuz the less successful version of Portugal n sheit You mexicans really need to stay in your own countries guys, can't wait for Trump to build that wall.
Robert Butler
They can't do shit in 4 years. At most they will uncover all the shit the PP and PSOE have under the rug. That is if the PP doesn't format all their computers in a little mistake "wink"wink".
Brayden Bennett
>Sweden We all need to build a wall around your entire country.
Isaac Phillips
Fair enough.
Daniel Phillips
>mexico >knows anything about architecture You were nothing before the Moors civilized you.
Juan Collins
Fuck
Anthony Anderson
Salamanca is pretty boring. You should have gone south. Or if you wanted to study Santiago.
Carter Cruz
>BoFaroGA
que quixo desir con esto?
Charles Turner
Don't you have a bull to prep?
OOGA BOOGA WE WUZ VIKINGS N SHEIT
Justin Price
But I'm a manlet
But I want to learn castillan nit moorish
Noah Bailey
Like they care
En Salamance quien no es puta es manca.
Joseph Long
>SPAIN BEST CANTRI Was literally a mud-civilization before the Romans and a poor attempt at Medieval one before the Moors.
Nigger juice strengthened you.
>SPAWNED BY NIGGERS.
Carson Brooks
I see. On another topic, do leftists hate the Armed Forces over there like they do here?
Brandon Ramirez
Sven you never contributed anything noteworthy to the world, that's why you now need the arabs to enrich you.
Yes, they do.
Hudson King
Cómo puedo coger las chicas? No me gusta la botellón o los otros actividades normie.
Angel Harris
>Don't you have a bull to prep?
You can do it for him.
Christian Phillips
You get fucked by a bull, meanwhile we kill them, end of discussion
Luke Cooper
>you never contributed anything noteworthy >I R SPEN I KANTRIBUTE MUCHOS TO WORLD SI? You made Mexico. Wow.. thank you spain! We REALLY needed that.
>Killing bulls for entertainment >Literally sand nigger tier.
Henry Walker
...
Samuel Reyes
Great, Roberto Centeno has some issues sometimes, and I think he's facing wrongly his colaboration with Trump, but still they're one of the last resorts of this goddamn country.
Háblales en francés y se están bajando las bragas en 5 segundos.
Nathan Moore
Why do you even bother replying? Even hondurans can demolish your country. At this point I think all the swedes here are proxy fags.
Owen Morgan
>Liberia >Having opinions Stay in Africa, faggot. The internet is for white people.
Daniel Bailey
Que dices, segun le pillen el acento ya tendra a 5 al lado.
>this captcha
What did they mean with this?
William Adams
That's really shitty bait bro. Nice try though.
Lincoln Bennett
Pero soy americano
Ethan Howard
Entonces te jodiste por gordo
Aiden Smith
Why Natinalsocialist parties suck so much in Spain?
Do i really have to vote for podemos again to start the fire?
I dont like Franco, religion or "language opresion" that most right wing parties advocate for.
Just Nationalism and Socialism for our people.
Gabriel Stewart
Just be american m8, bitches here love guiris.
Brayden Harris
V-vale haha
Eli Scott
That doesn't exist here because we live in perpetual pesimis since XIX century, so people don't believe shit in their own creativity or opportunities.
We just grab what the advanced world give us, and try to make it "spanishable". And then we go full normie, we have to be a dancing shitty cliche and defend our option like if they were our mother.
Charles Wood
Talk to them about Freedoms™ and sheit, and if you drop a few english words every once in a while, even better.
David Brooks
República (((Constitucional))) So sick of liberals and masons already. I want Spain to balkanize already just to trigger them.
Nathan Allen
It sounds pretty podemita but still worth a shot.
They're not fucking liberals, Roberto Centeno is with Trump trying to get some hispanic vote.
They're more like anti-establishment, and that is precisely what this country needs. Clean the fucking house.
Nathaniel Mitchell
Ignorante hijo de puta.
No son liberales,masones o ni siquiera estrictamente republicanos.
Todo el movimiento es para tener UN AÑO DE LIBERTAD CONSTITUYENTE donde se barajan las posibles constituciones..
Se votaría y se aceptaría el resultado sea monarquía o república.
Pero esto va de separación de poderes y tener políticos y no listas de partido.
Communism is the only solution to Spain problems prove me with only facts and logic
Anthony Sanchez
Communism doesn't work in a country that doesn't pay the taxes
Mason Wilson
Supporting leftists who are under feminism and globalism (soros is an ally of pablo iglesias)
In this particular case, Ciudadanos is the same, and also want to modify the constitution to deal ''better'' with corruption.
I do not support any political party because I'm a fascist and they are all capitalists. There is nothing like a decen right-wing party in spain.
Maybe VOX, but they are extremely catholic.
Christian Baker
Btw I don't know what are you doing in this board. You seem pretty bluepilled and out of place.
Sebastian Miller
In communism there are no taxes because there is not private property
Cameron Rogers
>oh look, this trend that was going on continued without government!
Separatists are commies because the left are the only ones who will promise them independence. True catalonians are white yes, but Catalonia nowadays...
Luis Peterson
There's 12 falanges and they r not mediatic, nobody gives a fuck is like the commies party in Poland
Adam Jones
>mfw (((libertad constituyente)))
Kayden Kelly
if you are fascist you are capitalist m8
Alexander Lopez
Do you approve of the old falangist party and Franco's rule?
Levi Hughes
>WHITE
Connor Reed
Damn dude. Que lastima
Brayden Bell
Quiero una novia del España, por favor.
Zachary Torres
gib pelirrojas
Josiah Long
I'll get you one if you pay shipping costs.
Christopher Watson
Franco was 90% right, it only was shit in that it assumed liberal-masonic centralism, the idea of Spanish (((Nation))) made up in the 19th century to mimic the jabocine France.
Still he has been probably our best ruler since Felipe II.
Jack Myers
>del España
Samuel Morales
*jacobin
Carson Flores
Vox is pp 2.0 but a little more racist, is the same shiet,no tercera vía just capitalist
Zachary Cook
buscar en Escocia
Adam Jones
Looks like we both want insignificant, trophy objects of each other, don't we?
Ayden Cook
I just started to learn spanish do not mock pls
Robert Parker
Franco was retarded. Gave too much power to the Church and, most important, failed terribly to reconcile the contry. Wih absolute power he could have united the contry for ever, instead he went on killing and terrorizing once the war was over. That's why people hate him, not because of the war.
Easton Davis
Why would you learn spanish instead some useful language
Owen Mitchell
Monarchists are like cattle, without any kind of will they only fit to sacrifice
Alexander Hernandez
What can you tell me about MSR? are they based or are they a meme.
Brandon Cox
>simplemente un idioma extranjero, intreresante y diferente esto
Aiden Davis
>sweden >white
Elijah Cook
para las chicas amigo
pero español es más útil que otros idiomas
Noah James
Soy en el mismo barco, como decimos en inglés, sino es un principal muy simple en Español que, si tienes una palabra que termina con 'a' será feminine, señor
Bentley Thompson
What's your stance on Rev Catalonia and the Francoist regime?
Aaron Taylor
Fascists commonly have sought to eliminate the autonomy of large-scale capitalism to the state. Fascists support the state having control over the economy, although they support the existence of private property. When fascists have criticized capitalism, they have focused their attacks on "finance capitalism", the international nature of banks and the stock exchange, and its cosmopolitan bourgeois character.
I do approve most of Jose Primo de Rivera's views.
Franco was simply a traitor. He had nothing to do with old falangist party. What he did was simply impose a personal dictatorship based on nationalism (there a few good positive aspects) and catholicsm (i'm totally against religions)
Luis Lopez
...
Liam Ortiz
Meme, I thought about voting for them in some elections, because they're more adapted to XXI century than the rest of right wing parties. But they have way too much conflicts inside.
Jeremiah Baker
Absolute meme, HSM, the only noice initiative in decades, came from one of them, and them dummies fought it as much as they could, untill they had to give up.
Connor Howard
Yo aprendí pq vivo en los EEUU y es necesario.
Aiden Price
Ehhh lo siento mucho yo quiero libro
Angel Robinson
wi treat bulls rightt, stop believing the tv jew
Isaac Turner
I don't get the fascism is not capitalist meme. There is private property, markets, wage labor. How is it not capitalist?
Liam Jackson
>el agua
Liam Sanders
I gib gf if u gib Gibraltar
Deal?
Mason Martin
Gracias Javier al-Moordrid bin Notrabajo
Luke Taylor
Well good luck with that mate, just try to fuck only, never get in a relationship with a spanish woman. Friendly advice.
Justin Rogers
De nada, Achmed Abdulrraman II de la tercera Republica Franco-Paki-Hindu-Argelo-Somali
Matthew Sullivan
Sí Quiero una Colombiana desu
Camden Fisher
> be burger > not be able to enjoy the difference between ser y estar. > I feels for ya man
Ryder Moore
They have nothing to do with PP. Basically because PP are corrupted liars that work for banks, big corporations and germany.
Every democratical party in spain is more or less capitalist, otherwise we would not be able to vote for them. You have to use the system to fight against it.
>but a little more racist what the fuck are you doing in this board?
Joseph Turner
>Quiero una Colombiana desu
F
Adam Hernandez
There is literally no good party in all of Spain.
Liam Roberts
Fascism is independent of that spectrum. There can be fascist governments of all measures of economic freedom.
To your point, however: No tried system lacks markets and wage labor. Private property, meanwhile, is easily restricted and controlled.
Joseph Lee
Wena coches
Benjamin Fisher
Here there are a lot of colombians and other south american women that are living with spaniards just to get gibs but they are married in their origin countries, and some husbands even live here and take advantage of those gibs.
So just hit and run.
Ethan Roberts
Some day brother, some day. God is testing us, but our time will come. We all know a /pol party would kick tremdous ass here, people are so fed up to their necks wih dogflautism, femiorcos and biodancers.
Jose Lewis
ellos son cornudos?
Gavin Sanchez
>22% of youth doesn't study nor work. You can blame Zapatero's socialism for that. I'm part of his generation and let me tell you, he destroyed us mentally. That's why the generation NI-NI is the worst this country's ever had
Nicholas Powell
How could such party get attention in media? You know what would happen...
Luke Lee
Totally, never trust a spanish woman.
Better never trust a woman.
Dylan Hernandez
lol, sounds fun
Gabriel Allen
>only truly identitarian party with some representation is a catalan nationalist party Fuck Aren't we supposed to have a Generación Identidad?
James Miller
>22% of youth doesn't study nor work. I just became one of them.
Asher Hughes
Quien controla el bajo mundo en españa?
John Brooks
Gitanos/Sudacas y sobretodo, los sidicatos
Juan Perez
Sindicatos*
Adam Wright
That party would need a good leader. A fucking charm machine, ready to fight media and other parties leaders, debate them, and give us a good show just like Trump does.
But that doesn't happen here, we're too limited because of our social standards of how things must be, so we have too much little freedom of action.
Christian Mitchell
Just imagine a Trump like guy that doesn't give a fuck abiut PC and talks common sense. SJW media would be talking abiut this new Hitler 24\7. And the people, man, everyone is sick and tired of not being able to speak their mind, a guy like that would be seen as a fucking Leonidas
Aaron Price
We need a Spanish Hitler.
Liam Morgan
Hopefully HSM will keep gaining support in the streets fastly so they can get into politics in a few years. The labour they do is praiseworthy
It's our last only hope.
Cameron Baker
La pasta de verdad la mueven españoles, el músculo y el retail gitanos y inmis.
Cooper Baker
¿Cuál es la solución final al problema Gitano?
Jaxon Sanders
That's the idea
No, mate, just look at that south american girl with a swastika tattooed in her ankle. That's getting some support because it's the only option we have to have some non politically correct justice. But politically, that's not going anywhere.
Gavin Wood
A Portugal
Jonathan Stewart
seriously guise, DELETE THIS, I think they found me
Dominic Smith
Cortar ayudas y obligarlea a cumplir la ley. Asi de simple.
Austin Davis
I don't think a Spanish version of Trump would triumph, in USA, a millionaire is seen as someone successful, someone who has reached the top through his own effort. In Spain, a millionaire would be seen as a corrupt, exploitative capitalist who has reached his position through nepotism. That's the main reason we have some many socialists in Spain, Spaniards are envious of everyone more successful than them, we like it or not, the Spanish problem is something more profound, something engraved in our culture, in our spirit, to change the country we would need to change the spirit and mentality of the people.
William Martinez
Perfect Spain
Owen Collins
I thought our corruption problem was due all the racemixing and criminal spic genes but it seems it was genetic. I thought first world countries dont steal money but dad is no better lmao.
Asher Anderson
Ni idea, los negros y los sudacas se integran en la sociedad, pero a los gitanos les gusta demasiado el victimismo, una solución sería en mi ciudad toda la zona nueva con los parques está hecha mierda porque la mitad son viviendas de protección para gitanos.
Liam Campbell
We don't need a Trump II Spanish Version. We need someone with similarities with Trump, that attracts attention from the media, know how to talk properly, deliver truth bombs, and is capable to maintain a good fight with any other leaders (Pablo Iglesias, Rajoy, Rivera, Pedro Sánchez... most of them are retarded).
Robert Scott
>mfw Colombia got a better solution to their terrorist problem than Spain
Justin Butler
It's like you dumb fucking niggers don't know that you can unite regions under a federal banner and still preserve cultural identities. It's always about muh territories with you stupid europeans.
Thomas Mitchell
Federalism is a big no-no for francucks
Thomas Baker
Envenenar el cobre.
Gavin Ortiz
I mean what he says. The little he cares about PC, the common sense he talks about immigration. The more they attack him the more powerful and loved he becomes. Here it'd be the same, they'd try to destroy him and it'd be a massive redpill. People here are Trump material, except sub-humans.
Camden Lee
This
Luke Reed
Bildu is going to exhume Sanjurjo and Mola and want to demolish the Basilica of the monument to the fallen. Church can't of shit here
Mason Collins
this sheit coontry, i see more niggers
Andrew Russell
Dude, I dont care about her swastika tattooed. That's what all pudremitas say to criticize her actions. She was born south american and what? with spanish blood after all and I'm pretty sure she is been living here all her life (no accent)
Her degrees and way of talking mean she is pretty intelligent and based (literally one of the few women i respect in this world). This plus her actions to help ONLY spanish people are all what matter, not the colour of her skin or bullshit. She deserves our support.
Luis Young
Salamanca is Fuckfest Central, you only have to drink and fuck
Daniel Murphy
your first mistake is assume state property is what the communist want but that is wrong the final goal workers ownership, this will hard to explain but what the difference between workers ownership and state ownership, well in reality when we talk about state ownership we talk about a estate capitalistic ownership, this is separate normal capitalist private ownership because the property is held by a official owner usually controlled by the burocrats. But that property actually have the same behavior and needs that the normal capitalist property, they hire workers, they need financing to run, they have clients, they have supplier who get pay with money etc.. usually when there is a large quantity of private activity we talk about the capitalism economy but when the estate is the only owner or have all the other activities subrogate to his economic power we talk about state capitalism, this happen in s.u when Khrushchev do his reforms. Usually all system have this division, al lord in feudalism can be the king or the other aristocrats , in Rome a slave can be under a patrician or the roman state and so on
Isaac Nelson
> give auyonomous comunities more power than they can handle, need or deserve > complain they have too much power
Jeremiah Mitchell
...
Luis Ward
Is that pasta?
Joseph Powell
Thanks for the info, on a different device now. Hope yall exit the EU and get yalls country back.
Ryan Collins
...
Brandon Ortiz
This is a map from 2015 corruption perception index. It is indeed something culturally ingrained in spanish culture and way of thinking.
Politicians are just a reflex of society
But you can't say you are criminals or something like that because of us. Spain is one of the safest and pacifist countries in the world
I re-gained respect for this man, his latest work is just a masterpiece that's going to provoke massive butthurt.
Angel Barnes
this to you The first had a good heart but little power, the second is rogue movement create by Britain who serve the Germans, deposit the wealth in Switzerland and sell the country to the Americans, in all this process they call themselves nationalist
Grayson Hughes
Make no mistake, I'm not a progremita at all.
>Dude, I dont care about her swastika tattooed. That's what all pudremitas say to criticize her actions.
It's okay if you're cool with the swastika, but most people on this society isn't, so if you want to do something great, you can't have a swastika in your ankle. At least not right now.
>She was born south american and what? with spanish blood after all and I'm pretty sure she is been living here all her life (no accent)
Mate, the first error about the spanish empire was to prefer someone baptized than white or, at least, european. But okay, I'm okay with your point.
>Her degrees and way of talking mean she is pretty intelligent and based (literally one of the few women i respect in this world). This plus her actions to help ONLY spanish people are all what matter, not the colour of her skin or bullshit. She deserves our support.
I mostly agree with this too, but I'm just talking about how you are limited because of your aesthetics. But they're working on that.
Camden Garcia
No, if it will be one i will use it, but leftcoms are cancer and they spread their shit everywhere
Jonathan Clark
>tfw basque >tfw I can wear our version of the swastika without anyone questioning it >tfw everyone thinks I'm a lefty for it
Oliver Kelly
The communists in the comments section are so funny.
Levi Gonzalez
Yeah, I agree with your point too, propaganda is a main factor. Of course that having it tattooed in your skin will make most of the people feel a sense of rejection and prejudice at first touch.
Hunter Roberts
>capitalismo >meritocracy kek
Chase Long
Asturian Criollo here, just visited spain to do the camino from irun to fisterra, and was very impressed by spain. like the good old days in america which are long dead. nice, homogenous society with beautiful women everywhere and 1950s old men. 9/10 country and cheap as hell for top quality.
Mason Ross
>people keep voting the most corrupt party >will likely have even bigger majority next elections despite rita barberá >second most voted party is also second most corrupt JUST CORRUPTION MY SHIT UP SENPAI
Samuel Morgan
Valencian Independence when?
Luke Price
Holy shit learn to speak english or don't speak it at all.
Nathaniel Moore
You have to come back
Hunter Johnson
I'm in Barcelona myself (I'm expat swissfag akshully). Holy shit I want Catalonia to be independent so badly. Yeah, there's inefficiency and corruption just like in the rest of spain Spain, but ffs at least they've got a more or less working economy here, and it's soooooo tiresome to have some dumbass government shit on you all day erry day just because they're butthurt at catalan people. Fucking central government is doing everything they can to hinder catalan progress. Fuck them all with a rake.
Parker Martinez
yes my brother, I want to start a farm and provide our people a surplus of food, try to spread propaganda to make people have fucking babbies and stay in spain. nationalism needs to come to Spain before anything else if Spain is to modernize. right now the government spends thousands and thousands educating a young spaniard, of which there are fewer and fewer because of the low fertility rates, and when they finish school, they leave to work in France Germany the UK or Benelux. Nationalism is going to keep Spain and Iberia safe
Xavier Howard
Spain has potential to be a really nice place to live but our forefathers sold us really cheap.
We got out of a dictatorship and fell into the oligarchy, now with extra separatism, no jobs..
Colton Peterson
>Implying catalonian government it's not just exactly the same but trying to hide their shit behind all that independence show.
Mason Kelly
>I want to start a farm It's almost impossible to start ANYTHING in Spain, unless you know politicians. You will deal with so much burocracy and fees that you'll be bankrupted before you earn one cent. I remember this one story of a farmer who needed a study on ambiental impact for a henhouse in the middle of buttfuck nowhere.
Julian Sanchez
He's probably that one "muh heritage" user. Most likely not criollo (100% Spanish) and does not speak Castellano.
Independent Catalonia is cancer. It will spread the independency virus throughout Spain and Europe.
Of course you don't care because you've nothing to lose.
Charles Hernandez
That's the consequence of the partitocracy oligarchy NEVA
You motherfucker if you are going to do that just fuck off.
Anthony Rodriguez
what if i just want to prepper homestead it up in the cantabrian mountains? i pay my taxes and keep to myself?
Connor Moore
>exactly the same >Catalonia is one of 4 communities with economic surplus despite getting fucked over constantly by central government >while spain is doomed to bankrupcy when the pension fund runs out (friendly reminder it's down like 70% in the last 4 years and there's no significant growth expected) if you think catalan government is the same as spanish government you must be really dense. As I said, corruption and inefficiency, sure, but here we have a functioning economy, unlike most of Spain.
Jacob Anderson
Catalan governement and people by definiton are a PART of the spanish government and people.
like father like son It will never change.
Jack Nelson
>Anonymous (ID: 8ayoGoAx) 09/16/16(Fri)16:09:20 No. que me dice puto? maricon el ultimo
Michael Collins
It's not like you're getting out, we're kicking you out until you get your shit together.
Samuel Hughes
Oh sure, Spain is a paradise for old retired folks because everything is cheap and quality of life is very good.
The only big problem to living in spain is the economy, which means no jerbs, and extreme difficulty and expense to start your business. If that doesn't affect you, you'll be perfectly fine.
Connor Hill
I was talking about the system implemented by Mussolini's regime. >The first had a good heart but little power, the second is rogue movement create by Britain who serve the Germans, deposit the wealth in Switzerland and sell the country to the Americans, in all this process they call themselves nationalist Source?
Isaiah Gonzalez
So? Catalonia is still one of the very few productive regions. While the spanish government is doing everything they can to fuck their country up in any way possible. If you don't see that, you're just a deluded nationalist
Hunter Howard
I suggest that before you try anything permanent you stay longer periods without a permenent invest..
just rent
Alexander Foster
>he fell for the "Espanya ens roba" meme
Luke Sullivan
>Catalonia is one of 4 communities with economic surplus despite getting fucked over constantly by central government
Wew lad, and that is without mentioning all those fiscal benefits that Catalonia enjoys.
Cooper Phillips
>He thinks you can just move to Spain
Do you actually have Spanish parents/grandparents? If you're one of those "I'm (1/32) Spanish" good luck.
>que me dice puto? maricon el ultimo
CHI
Henry Bennett
Jordi pls kys
Jace Ross
Spainbros, I tried asking people why I was in Spain but could never get a clear answer, but is there any way for the King to regain power over Spain? Say a based king in the future?
Precisely catalonia is fucking up and wants to do it even more the rest of asspain..
They talk about 'opression' and 'overtax' but it's all the same shit as in spain, simple and plan corruption without control.
Also they are the most islamic section by a great difference..
Liam Green
Stop with this brainwashed bullshit. Catalonia has always been priorized in spain. Most of the industrial structures were moved there for a reason and let's not forget that more than 500.000 andalusians in 30s-50s were migrated and helped to develop it
Indeed you have the same inefficiency and corruption. Because all spain is culturally the same (beyond languages and shit)
If you are tired of the actual government, fight against it just like everyone else does in his way. But getting away of the problem like a coward when you are being lied by your own autonomy, just to fuck the rest of the spanish people, creating fictitious differences and hate, is not the solution.
Autonomies should have never been created after franco died. It only divided people and made our economy suffer more and more everyday (more than 1000millions every year). With franco we reached our historical lowest debt, and now we have the biggest (100% GDP)
Aiden Taylor
He would need to change the constitution to grant himself more power. So no, no chance
>implying debt is relevant >when financing is 100% dependent on central government >"Oh hey, I don't like you so I'm just going to leave you with an unsustainable fiscal deficit of 8% even though it's considered that more than 4% is unsustainable" >"Everyone, look at Catalonias debt, what a shitty community"
Austin Baker
Eliminate autonomies but keep fueros in Navarra. All will be good in Spain
Eli Walker
>Most of the industrial structures were moved there >Moved there HAHAHAHA JUST REINVENT MY HISTORY UP SENPAI
it was there WAY before Franco. Franco invested in Catalan industry because it was already there you braindead idiot.
Robert Murphy
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Michael Lee
Jordi, los únicos que te están robando son los mismos que te están vendiendo la payasada de la independencia, a ver cuando os dais cuenta, que lo único que quieren es poder chorizearos sin que nadie se meta en medio.
Charles Cook
The Catalan industry was especially protected by Spain even before Franco you retard, they were granted benefits because of it
>They talk about 'opression' and 'overtax' but it's all the same shit as in spain >what is fiscal deficit you're trolling, right?
Leo Myers
>Jordi, los únicos que te están robando son los mismos que te están vendiendo la payasada de la independencia, a ver cuando os dais cuenta, que lo único que quieren es poder chorizearos sin que nadie se meta en medio. *citation needed*
Joshua Taylor
>*citation needed* >not using common sense Wake up Jordi
Juan Peterson
>Catalonia develops industry because it's one of the few non-retarded regions in Spain >Spanish govt takes notice and protects it to suck of the catalan tit >this is somehow not thanks to catalan entrepreneurship but thanks to spanish... something makes perfect sense
>gets butthurt >starts writing in spanish confirmed for dumbass. Habla inglés o vete a Cred Forums, pedazo inculto.
Caleb Robinson
We don't understand it either user, but we'll be having elections on christmas that will probably lead to more elections without a government. Fuck socialists
Henry Gray
the Catalan industry was protected because it was the ONLY (with the Basque metallurgy) existing industry in Spain
what did you want the Spanish government to do, destroy the only functioning part of its economy?
Owen Bell
So how come your politically disruptive populists are lefties instead of right wingers like in the rest of Europe?
Chase Rivera
You brainwashed catalan separatist. Here you have the proof:
"1832, Francisco Franco inaugura la Fàbrica Bonaplata"
Camden Brooks
>common sense >spain wake up manolo
Leo Bell
That's from 2012. I think right now it's going for 500k euro. And that's for residency only...
Si mañana España amaneciera como poder economico se os olvidaria esa gilipollez de independiencia.
Jack Mitchell
>/es/ >talking between spaniards >not being able to speak spanish Paredón ya
Brayden Ortiz
>common sense is what I say it is >for no reason at all SHENTIDO COMUN
Luke Thomas
what is her opinion on Catalonia, Catalan language, independence of the Balearian islands?
Andrew Robinson
Nope , impossible . Soon or later kings won't have a place in spain.
Majority of the people don't support ''kings'' that did nothing for us in this world more than be born in a certain family and receiving an inheritance
Also, the actual ones are not even from here but france (house of bourbon)
Luke Torres
>Implying debt is NOT relevant
>when financing is 100% dependent on central government
When goverment gives Catalonia more money than everyone else in Spain, and for years, just to trying to keep them happy.
>"Oh hey, I don't like you so I'm just going to leave you with an unsustainable fiscal deficit of 8% even though it's considered that more than 4% is unsustainable"
Oh hey, I don't like you so I'm going to give you credit for all that mess you have there.
>"Everyone, look at Catalonias debt, what a shitty community"
This is fucking delusional, hate towards Catalonia from Spain and viceversa has been created and used by both governments trying to have a scapegoat of their shit. But even with all that political shit in the middle, with all those pakis and niggers there, even with all that, few people thinks Catalonia is a shitty community.
Liam Harris
kek
Brandon Williams
As a Navarran, the Bourbons are my legitimate kings
Carter Evans
Sounds like Podemos 2.0, just like our "mareas" here in Galicia.
Jaxson Lewis
>Si mañana España amaneciera como poder economico se os olvidaria esa gilipollez de independiencia. well obviously, thing is it's just not gonna happen. Spain has a lot of potential, and it's doing everything it can to waste it. It's only logical that a productive region would want to gtfo this masochist circlejerk
Ryan Foster
>Si mañana España amaneciera como poder economico se os olvidaria esa gilipollez de independiencia. la verdad es que no prefiero la pobreza a ser español
Nathan James
Then you constantly spend more than you have 'assigned'? or what? no other autonomia has this problem?
The reasons for independentism: thinking of shekels that ironically won't arrive or being free of spanish jail and crimes..
Jason Collins
I deleted the post, because I'm trying to remember if it really was Més per Mallorca that she supported. Because she hates Podemos, but reading up on MES, they seem pretty Podemos-tier. I'm thinking it was Més per Mallorca, though I know for sure it was an environmentalist party.
She's from Murcia. Doesn't believe in Catalan independence.
Jace Morales
We have a qt on our side. She will kick out all the immigrants and make Catalonia great again :3
Hudson Smith
Sometimes I get the impression Rajoy is behind every post with a Spanish flag
Carson Green
Tell me about the 6 million oppressed catalans who have no rights in comparison to the rest of evil spaniards
Am I raping any catalan? Just to be sure
Cooper Allen
mexicano (ignore flag I live near the border) here
pls give citiezenship
Juan Fisher
me equivoqué al citar
Chase Reyes
>When goverment gives Catalonia more money than everyone else in Spain, and for years, just to trying to keep them happy. >is still giving them less than catalonia gives to central govt Moot point if I ever saw one. More activity needs more investment. Not understanding this just proves you're retarded.
>Oh hey, I don't like you so I'm going to give you credit for all that mess you have there. more like >I'm going to give you credit for the debt you have because I didn't give you money in the first place
> This is fucking delusional, hate towards Catalonia from Spain and viceversa has been created and used by both governments trying to have a scapegoat of their shit. But even with all that political shit in the middle, with all those pakis and niggers there, even with all that, few people thinks Catalonia is a shitty community. >HURR WE'RE ALL THE SAME (even though one of them has authority over the other but I'll conveniently disregard that)
you do know you're making an ape of yourself, right?
Gavin Harris
>it was an environmentalist party. Pacma?
Nolan White
I have two younger Spanish girls at my office, one from Valencia and the other one from Oviedo.
The Valencian girl seems to really look down on the Oviedo girl. I guess it could just be a personal issue, but one time when I jokingly asked "what, is [the Oviedo girl] from the wrong part of Spain or something?" the Valencian girl replied "Pretty much".
Some of those Pabloless-Podemos parties are pretty environmentalist so it could be.
Luis Sullivan
The single best argument against Catalonia's independence is taking a look at the kind of people that support it.
Grayson Thompson
>Then you constantly spend more than you have 'assigned'? or what? So what, you just let your infrastructure go to shit and have companies gtfo because your region is 3rd world tier? You should be thankful that Catalonia is eating up debt to keep a productive economy functioning which in turn fuels the whole of spain
Dylan Richardson
>strawman kys
Gabriel Gutierrez
valencia and oviedo? unless she is a valencian/catalan nationalist, I doubt it
Thomas Martinez
100% Pacma.
So what do you Spaniards think about Pacma?
Colton Harris
Nah, Asturias is fine
Colton Rivera
Valencias and everyone from the mediterranean tend to be more commie tier, socialists and greens, while people form the north (Asturias, Cantabria, Euskadi, Navarra) are more right leaning and traditional
Con suerte se arma una guerra civil entre españa y cataluña en un futuro cercano. Así puedo alistarme de manera voluntaria y volarte la cabeza personalmente.
Así cumplirías tu sueño de dejar de ser español y te vas a formas la independencia en la cataluña del más allá.
Vaya payasos, respeto y tolerancia ninguno por corruptos y traidores a la patria.
Christopher Cooper
>kind of people that support it Yeah, these are the average supporters
>If Catalunya goes independent then everyone else will want out too. who else would want out? >Do you want to crash Spain with no survivors? not my problem, don't really care
Ian Harris
>If Catalunya goes independent then everyone else will want out too. Not really, since most regions are on the receiving side. Spain doesn't want Catalonia to leave because it'll fuck up the economy. Catalonia is like 25% of the spanish economy, despite being less than 20% of the population. The only non receiving communities are IIRC >Madrid >Catalonia >Valencia >Balearic Islands >Basque Country The only ones that may want out are the Basques, Madrid well duh, Valencia has a deeply rooted nationalism, and the Islands don't give too much of a crap because it's a backwater living off tourists.
Luis Russell
Cada vez que hay un /es/, los anons de España tratan de involucrar a los angloparlantes.
Christopher Gomez
>soy un inculto que no habla inglés REEEEEEEEEE typical spaniard.
Caleb Flores
Fuck Cataluña. I have such bad experiences with the people there and mosos. I thought the guardia civil was shit then i came across the cataluñan version of them. >t. Half spaniard Half dutchmen
Christopher Ross
I met a Valencian nationalist once that wanted to fug after hearing me talk about Galicia. She was pretty ugly tho so I discarded her.
Nice misdirection, my coin grabbing friend. How many of those "nascuts a la resta de mon" are shitskins as opposed to people of European descent?
Isaiah Russell
>La mayoría de las respuestas están en ingles Jordi, eres español y vas a morir español, te guste o no.
Easton Cooper
>Half spaniard there's your problem
Angel Gomez
chunda chunda chunda Meanwhile, in Catalonia... Endarrera aquesta gent, tan ufana i tan superba!
Jack Ross
Oh, and I forgot, Basques have a special status where they collect their own taxes and somehow decide how much they give to central govt (not exactly like this, but it's the basic concept), so their economy can't get assfucked like Catalonias if they start voting parties that don't suck Madrid's dick. So even though many would like out, they don't care for putting their situation at risk over it, for now at least.
Ayden Jones
I'm from valencia PHAM
aka the land of the be poorer than the average pay more taxes and receive less.
The problem is not spain it's the state spending distribution political and economical oligarchy
But guess what THAT IT'S ALSO ON CATALONIA.
You have to destroy that and then this can be like a A tier euro country but the pseudo-separatism-sheckel-focused is only going to fug it all, you wont solve anything by that means.
Nicholas Cruz
Thanks for the replies, I guess it's just usual female workplace conflict.
She's a solid 7-8 but has an angry and bossy manner about her, wouldn't want to date her. I've met her boyfriend (who is Basque) and she has him completely pussy-whipped, probably pegs him on the regular kek.
The Oviedo girl is cute too but she's my subordinate so I'm steering clear.
Jackson Stewart
menos mal que soy Suizo. Disfruta de ser africano.
Juan Hall
Blonde blue eyes with a spanish face. Enrique Javier. Life is horrible.
Thomas Rogers
Most of them are immigrants from Andalusia
Jonathan Johnson
most of them, because there are few European immigrants in Catalonia (besides Romanians) compared to Africans or Asians
Bentley Gutierrez
Why are Spaniards so pro-European? Look at the constitutional referendum from 2005, it got over 70%. Why don't Spaniards have a real sense of national identity like the French or the British?
Logan Jones
They remind me of nationalsocialist aspect regarding right of animals and preservation of nature. It's good to have them. Though I don't like the part where they support open borders and multiculturalism stuff
Owen Morales
>The problem is not spain it's the state spending distribution political and economical oligarchy >But guess what THAT IT'S ALSO ON CATALONIA. That doesn't make any sense. It's the central government, period. Catalonia doesn't have a say in this, that's the whole issue. And it's not going to be resolved any time soon because the majority, which leech off the productive minority, are just fine the way it is. Valencia is just ridiculously cucked by Spain and doesn't give a shit.
Isaiah Miller
Yeah, Basque culture is mostly matriarchal, women have more power than men
Brayden Edwards
Source: your ass.
Christian Foster
>She's a solid 7-8 but has an angry and bossy manner about her, wouldn't want to date her. I've met her boyfriend (who is Basque) and she has him completely pussy-whipped, probably pegs him on the regular kek. jejeje that's funny
Lucas Carter
Ah que tu eres ESE suizo, ahora lo entiendo todo, vuelve a tu país mono alpes.
Parker Collins
The weak and stupid always feel a need to be part of something bigger.
Kayden Sullivan
source: I live here your source?
Oliver Thompson
>More activity needs more investment. Not understanding this just proves you're retarded.
So Catalonia has more activity, creates more wealth, and it's a first world country inside a third world country, but still has the biggest debt here.
>I'm going to give you credit for the debt you have because I didn't give you money in the first place.
But I gave you the money just because you have all this activity and sheit.
>HURR WE'RE ALL THE SAME (even though one of them has authority over the other but I'll conveniently disregard that)
Yeah well, you can't difference between politics and social issues, just because you can only see social issues through politics. So enjoy your manipulation faggot.
It's all so tiresome, do you guys realize that you're not more independent just coming here (/es/, spain general) and start to fuck up the thread because muh independentism. Fucking attention whores, I can't wait till you have your fucking referendum.
Noah Fisher
From what I've read pretty much all of Spain has separatist movements, some bigger than others obviously.
But if one leaves then the others will become "inspired" to also leave. Kind of like BREXIT.
John Morales
>Ah que tu eres ESE suizo, ahora lo entiendo todo, vuelve a tu país mono alpes. Ese? cual ese? Das penika btw.
Brody Campbell
The mayority of people don't know nothing about politic more less about what the fuck is the EU.
They only think "wow EU that sound so progressive and modern"
Brandon Edwards
Question for the Spaniards: City currently residing? Fav city in Spain? Job or Study?
Asher Myers
piniche joto
if muslims can get spanish citizenship why not me I'm Criollo
David Rivera
only serious ones are Catalan and Basque separatism
Lucas Williams
Buena suerte en las guerrillas, perroflauta. No hay montes ni bosques en los que puedas esconderte.
Con tus 150kg, tu retraso mental y tu ejercito de musulmanes, negros y feministas durarías 1 día luchando si eres afortunado y no te cae una bomba encima.
Aaron Sullivan
>They remind me of nationalsocialist aspect regarding right of animals and preservation of nature. It's good to have them. They are just larpers, like most greens. Caring for the environment implicitly means agreeing with eugenics and population control.
Tyler Perez
stob the data mining you cUuc, back to the cuucshed
mi abuelo me lo ha dado y me ha dicho que de joven fue uno de sus libros favoritos y que se lo leyó 3 veces
por lo que parece fue publicado en España en los 50, escrito por un supuesto soldado estonio-ruso, del cual hay muy poca info en internet
mi teoria es que es propaganda franquista contra la URSS. ¿Es posible?
Chase Clark
>So Catalonia has more activity, creates more wealth, and it's a first world country inside a third world country, but still has the biggest debt here. Debt is really not that big a deal if you have a productive economy. Japan has a debt of like 220% and nobody gives a shit because it's productive af. I couldn't care less for catalonias debt as long as it's productive, and it is. More companies aren't moving to Barcelona because Madrid is doing everything they can to fuck us up.
>But I gave you the money just because you have all this activity and sheit. Yeah... money you got from Catalonia in the first place. Dumbass.
>Yeah well, you can't difference between politics and social issues, just because you can only see social issues through politics. So enjoy your manipulation faggot. It's you that isn't seeing the economic issues because of social issues. You don't have an argument so you start diverting the conversation. Point is, you can't equate spanish and catalan govt because one has authority over the other. It's that simple. If they're doing the same shit, it's still worse if Spain does it because it affects Catalonia directly, while anything that Catalonia does will NOT affect the spanish govt directly.
It really is tiresome when people are so deluded like you.
Justin Davis
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Luis Anderson
Just generally interested
Logan Morgan
So that's where all the spanish Cred Forums posters come from?
Michael Rogers
jajajaja nunca he ido a forocoches, solo se que es un puto hoyo de canis y chonis y degenerados en general
Jaxon Roberts
No, los que rondamos por aquí bastante sabemos que hay siempre un suizo por estos temas que casualmente es independentista catalán y que siempre dice las mismas payasadas. Si no es el, podrían ser buenos amigos creo yo.
por qué hay tanto paranoico en España? No te ha cruzado la cabeza que tal vez haya muchos expatriados de países serios en España que lo ven igual porque es la única percepción lógica? No, mejor pensar que todos son tontos menos la UNA GRANDE Y LIBRE
Camden Jackson
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Eli Brooks
Nah, it's a good forum
Lucas Miller
Are C's based? Are they Eurosceptic? Is there even any party that's more based than the cuckservative PP?
Tyler Collins
Gente, que mierda hacemos hablando en la lengua de la perfida albion. Los anglos nos han jodido mas que los judios, son la misma puta mierda.
Matthew Richardson
>finally getting a chance to post this image
Jace Fisher
I would like Spain generals more if I didn't have to google translate so many of the posts, it is exhausting
Se veía a los catalufos tristes con las visitas de franco, no?
Cerebros lavados desde pequeñitos, dais pena y merecéis morir
Jaxon Cook
>Cerebros lavados >says the guy cherrypicking like there's no fucking tomorrow HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you people crack me up
Samuel Foster
>Not being able to make poles
No, the're completely pro eu. There are other convservative parties but they're all cringy
David White
I feel you, I'm often interested in politics of other countries, but then some asspained tards who can't into second language have to shit the place up with their native tongue. It's tiresome.
Colton Allen
>C's >Eurosceptic Nah, no based parties. I hoped for C's at first but they showed to be degenerate fucks too.
Ethan Campbell
pero es que siempre ha sido catalanista, no quiero creer que la educación franquista le lavó tanto la cabeza con muh gommies
también me explicó que en los 50 cuando Franco venia a Barcelona le daban el dia libre a todos los trabajadores y que por curiosidad quiso ir a ver el desfile
entonces Franco se metió en una iglesia para algun acto y mi abuelo entró por la puerta del otro lado sin que los policias de la entrada le dijeran nada. Según el, si hubiera sido un anarquista le podria haber pegado un tiro fácilmente, por que le pasó por delante en la iglesia
según mi abuelo, hasta que no fue mayor no supo que Franco era un hijo de puta
Lincoln Peterson
They are not. They are 100% pro european and liberalists
Only VOX is pretty based, but they have literally less than 1% of votes. And there are no signals of it changing.
Hunter Phillips
They seemed based at first, even though some of us saw through their charade right away. They're utterly cucked by PP, which is like getting cucked by the king of cucks. it don't get more cucked than that. They'll likely be irrelevant after the next elections since their voters will just go back to voting PP.
