Who pro-EU here? I want a strong, united Europe which can stand independently of USA and make its own decisions

If you're asking an EUrophile I would expect a world in which the afro-arabian underclass of the strip mall formerly known as Europe has access to a wider range of consumer goods (at very reasonable prices) than the populations of the rest of the world.

Truly a Great Empire on a par with Rome.

I mean, man, I love you enough to marry you AND raise your children, but damn.
You say the stupidest shit.

what the fuck are you smoking mate
a federal Europe might have been better worded, so that local laws still apply, but with an united foreign policy
A perfect Europe would be one with strong borders so no illegal immigrants("""refugees""") can get in, patrolled by an EU army.
It would be federal, so every state gets to decide their own internal policies, but with a strong united foreign policy so we can project our power efficiently.

My biggest problem with Europe right now is that we have no say/influence on what goes on all around us, for example in the Middle East USA is fucking around and doing things while we only get to bare the consequences (refugees). I want us to be able to unitedly shape things to better fit us.

Integrating Russia better would give as a upper hand too, as it would stop them feeling like we're going to attack them and lessen our dependance on USA.

European Confederation would be pretty sweet. Military, agricultural, education, and medical cooperation.

Just stop trying to consolidate banks and currencies so quickly and stop trying to let in refugees you can't accept. Also Belarus, Albania, and Bosnia aren't allowed in.

>Unity
>Independence

Which is it? Can't have both.

Every European wanted EU because everyone imagined EUSA, however we got EUSSR, so it's fucked and we must start over.

pretty much this yeah. Belarus could be OK in the future if they work on their country, the Agriculture technology is pretty advance in Belarus.

i think we have EUSA because we have a pocket USA in NATO. When USA leaves then we're fucked. Right now it's not that bad imo

kys

>This would have happened long before if it were not for Britain, who has been blocking federalism since the very beginning.
How delusional are you m8?

Get over EU, it won't survive the next 5 years.

Belarus is Russia's Eurobitch just like Britain is America's. They're not European anymore Jonis.

>Just like Britain is Americas
Fuck off lad

Fuck you

If we had EUSA we wouldn't have rampant censorship, no freedom of speech, mass disarment of population and massive shitskin invasion

>independently of USA

So long as all internal policy is dealt at a state level unless a federal law is under the agreement of every member state then you have something pretty comfy.

Change the names of your system though. No country in Europe is going to be happy as a 'state' in a 'federal Europe.' Make it sound better.

Too bad you took too long and now the Anglosphere is going to speed past you and unite our foriegn policy at your face.

The father always abhors the day his son succeeds him. You gave Anglo-Saxons two continents and islands in every sea, shouldn't you be proud?

so we're EUSSR with a pocket USA to fight wars and stuff?

Theres only one way to do that : Re create the Roman empire, destroy the germans, and take back constantinople.

you are a paranoid schizophrenic

Fuck off shill.
No one wants a centralised government.
The EU is on the verge of collapse.
People are awakening to see what a fraud the whole thing is.
The EU caused thr refugee crisis and also plunged everyone into recession.

Well, we need more eurocentrism at least.

I like the idea of an united Anglosphere too, it makes sense and would be a good partner for an United Europe

>The EU caused thr refugee crisis
Lol no, that was Merkel, and to a lesser extend Bush and Obabo.

>also plunged everyone into recession
Lol no

The potato nigger is right.
Down with the EU.

Hello Ahmed

"strong EU is the only way possible" reporting in my slavic bro

someone has contaminated your drugs with heroin

you're not invited anyway

Makes me feel good to know you'll be on your own soon. Nobody will take care of refugees, nobody will accept to be fucked over by germany anymore. Merkel thought she made European's bed, when she just made germany's. Soon it will be the time to go to sleep, my dear hans.

>A perfect Europe would be one with strong borders so no illegal immigrants("""refugees""") can get in, patrolled by an EU army.

Do you really think this would happen?
Do you really believe the technocrats in charge of EU would use an EU army to push against the agenda they have been promoting for the past 20-30 years?

The outcome would be the exact opposite, you would have an EU army consisting of mercenaries only loyal to money enforcing that the nations under EU adhere to whatever bullshit law they pass. The wall around Hungary would be torn down by the EU army.

You dream big.

I don't understand how you people think that there are some unknown "technocrats in charge of EU" who secretly make big agendas to change the whole population in Sunni Muslims and kill off the whites..

The EU consists of people from all the countries, there's no "secret cabals" or anything

Ah the cucked German.
Well Ahmed enjoy your "multiculturalism".
Because by golly your in for a shock.
I hope you have your quaran ready because a crusade is on the way. A crusade in which will crush your PC bullshit and shit union.
It's called independent free countries.
It's on the rise. So enjoy your regressive society Ahmed, because the death camps of Auswitz will need people to burn, and you dirty muzzies are first in line.

i like the idea but look what it fucking takes

Who elected for Juncker?

The leader of an entire continent was not elected by the people. That is fucking unacceptable. EU advocates should be swinging from lampposts. All communists need putting in the ground.

Fuck off Eesti
Europe is not America, and won't ever be united in the same way
the EU was a good idea back when it was just a trade union, but now that it is a union with laws on the way of becoming an independent federation.
And that would mean some states have more to say than others, be it France, Germany, Sweden, while little shit states like your own won't have any say in any matter what-so-ever
Fuck off and vote Leave when you get the chance
Abolish the union

Don't worry, Estonia. We will let you become a state.

We need somewhere to put our Syrian migrants.

>T-there's no agenda goy we p-promise

What kind of autist looks at the EU's track record and thinks 'let's have more of that'? Burn it all to the ground, especially Germany.

...

>I want a strong, united Europe
The EU doesn't.

Yeah and being a Russian oblast would mean your vote matters.
Don't get me wrong OP is naive and idealistic given the state of EU but ''muh sovereignty'' makes literally no fucking sense when you're a tiny 1 million country.
You lost the historic game, suck it up dude.

Allahu Akbar!
The U.S. must take Monroe Doctrine now.
The U.S. must withdraw American Forces from all Foreign Countries now.
Stop America's doing its all wars now!

I love American99% and the U.S.

China, Germany and Japan must loosen Germany's, Japan's and China's monetary policies now!
China, Germany and Japan must stimulate Germany's, Japan's and China's domestic demands now!
Japan and Germany must issue a lot of construction bond now!

Japan, Germany and China are evil empires.
Islamists' true enemies are Japan, Germany, China, top1%, Wall Street, American Military Industry and DOD!
Allahu Akbar!

Had that chance 70 years ago

you are a poor parasite state...your opinion dont mean shit when you are leaching off the richer ones.

>poor parasite state
I'm pretty sure OP is not a state.

telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/13/canzuk-after-brexit-canada-australia-new-zealand-and-britain-can/

CANZUK UNION NOW! RESTORE THE EMPIRE! EU KEKS BTFO!!!!

GOTT MIT UNS!

/Thread.

a state of the eu is what they will become

estonia is one of the poorest...course it wants more intergration so it can mooch

Nice argument; European Mexico.

Eesti, I...
I don't know you...

You want this because you country is weak. You're litteraly shitting your pants just at the idea of a NATO/EU collapse.

>I want a strong, united Europe which can stand independently of USA
Read: I'm from small country infested with russians and I'm afraid of Putin so somebody pls protect me from raping

Estonian people generally don't care whether we are in the EU or not, only people who have an opinion on this are either pretentious liberals who believe in this "beautiful" EU or extremists who want to leave the union. It's NATO that's more important to Estonian people since this is the only thing that could help us in case of Russian invasion.

Before you go full plebian on NATO and "haha poor state needs military support lolz what leeches", I should remind you that we are only one of 4 countries who pays the mandatory 2% of our GDP to NATO.

I personally could care less whether we are in the EU or not, it's NATO that is more vital for us.

The EU could have been good but instead of protecting Europe it's only used by the global elite to strongarm its member nations in to giving away social/financial capital. Abolish ASAP.

Honestly, I used to think like you, but right now I'm leaning more towards a federation of Eastern Europe. I wouldn't want to live with all the western faggotry.

true, that could also be an option, but the problem is that we just don't have the capital to kickstart such an initiative on our own. we might if scandinavia is involved as well, but they bring their own brand of faggotry with them. finland is okay though.

i choose destruction

yes but drop the southern states and the cuckoldry. id like it to be christian but i need it to be race aware

you do that because ivan is lurking across the border ready to rape your clay m8

Pro eu here.

Long live europa.

>we just don't have the capital

Bullshit, east yuro is poor not because it doesn't have money, but because it spends it wrong. We need to get rid of the corrupted politicians, but it's pretty much impossible, since the biggest parties here are paid by Germany, US and Russia. They have an interest of keeping us poor. Germany - to get the workers, US - to keep Russia and EU form having better trade partners, Russia - to keep the EU from having richer members. It's a rigged game.

gee thanks for pointing out the obvious, moron

I'm far from being pro-EU. However...

I think we should have an extremely minimal union that protects the rights of native Europeans and DOES NOT INITIATE legislation. This union would consist of at max 50 employees and would only pay them reasonably, not the half a million that EU workers get per year.

ain't nobody got time for dat?

No

I didn't a European empire would be a great thing, a UNE, but the EU isn't the institution to make it happen.

For one thing it would need to have service boarders, be very libertarian and a far better system of determining who has power.

I don't think it can happen successful without one country gaining a major dominance over the others (whether it's a current one or a few countries merging)

well we here in Estonia thankfully have pretty much weeded out most big corruption and we're spending money quite efficiently. There are some cases of stealing, but those come to light pretty soon and get exposed

However I agree with your point, imagine what Ukraine could do/be if they were freed from corruption, they could be a real big power. Unfortunately that is in nobodys interest, Russia really does not want it and West-EU is not a big fan of having another strong and rich semi-conservative power to deal with. They'd rather Ukraine stayed poor.

That's kind of why I'd want a real, equal union, just imagine what we could do when at real capacity

>wants a strong and united Europe
>is pro-EU

You want to become Merke's bitch? You want more refugees up there? Or are you just scared of Ivan?

kick stupid westerners and create an eastern european union that will make us rich and countires full of refugees like Sweden/France/UK/Germany poor.

Same here. Right now while I don't agree with Merkel and hate her pro imigration policies. I do want a fedeal Europe with one army, one foreign economic and military policy.

Russia just annexed part of Ukraine and invaded another and we collectively did NOTHING but write a STERN LETTER.

Fuck Nato. We need everyone in the EU to spend 2~3% of their GDP on a combined army.

You will get USSR 2.0 and unlimited migrants to fuck our country silly child.
Giving up sovereignty makes you defenceless, good running from globalists.

>warsaw pact boogaloo

>A perfect Europe would be one with strong borders so no illegal immigrants("""refugees""") can get in, patrolled by an EU army.

Can't agree more.

Fucking America wrecks the middle east and then that Arab scum comes for gibme dats in Germany, Sweden and elsewhere...

I don't want this.

kys

No, he is a realist and you are stupid child.

the people of Crimea wanted to join russia
same story as Albozergs getting Kosovo and Metohija
why is one bad but the other one isn't?

>flag
why am i not surprised

Pro European army, but not commanded by the EU. They have down syndrome and bargain and negotiate with Turk fags who thought it was a good idea to take down an Ivan plane.

Well you need to be aware that public opinion in America and currently is Anti nato.

America right now woudn't go to war with Russia over you.

And if Trump gets elected it would support Putin. I say this as a guy who would vote Trump.

Thats why you need the EU. The combined EU army is just the start. Instead of relying on America 10k KM away how about you rely on your non Russian neighbors to defend you?

Poland would jump in first to defend you guys.

The EU is corrupted as fuck. Take the Council of Ministers for example, they(27 ministers) make 75% of all European laws BEHIND closed doors. And don't even get me started on the Arab-Euro Dialogue that France initiated.

And did you know that (((racism))) in the European law also means Islamophobia? The EU also pushes for multiculti in every country.

Go and read about the Arab-Euro Dialogue and the EU itself. You will see that it is corrupt as fuck.

I'm pro-EU

I think, as shown by USA, that having a large enough economy/military/intelligence is the way to ensure that your country remains successful.
So in the long run it's better to compromise and stay in the winning team with some influence than keep clutching on sovereignty or you'll just end up a bottom bitch against your will (see Norway).
Especially when in Finland's case the most likely outcome would be ending up under Russia's influence, even Merkel's cuck politics are better than them.

>federal EU
>run by globalist kike eurocrats
Enjoy the EU army enforcing rapefugee quotas on you.

What are you talking about Kosovo is Serbia. It should have never become that aborted state that it is now.

Bosnia is also an aborted USA/NATO state that should be dealt with asap.

No Estonia, I know what you want to achieve but no.

That doesn't mean you can't reform it.

Everyone on pol is like A or B

America is corrupted as fuck take everything. Yet here we are wantign Trump to kill that corruption and bribery and jew control.

Nobody here is advocating the end of america and return to colonial states. No you want it reformed.

But the EU no that needs to die right now and be dissolved.

Fuck you.

tldr; Jews did a number on you guys over decades so that you all have fractionated into tiny clusters that all identify separately

the problem with what you want is that all of those European countries are too small to amount to anything on their own
(example: France + UK + Spain + Italy + Germany + Belgium + Netherlands + Portugal rivals USA)
you can cut out Belgium, Portugal (location's nice though), and Netherlands without significant loss

you'd be better off merging a few smaller nations strategically until you can get it down to like 5-7 countries which could form a larger alliance with relative ease
get blocks of Europe to unite first:
Scandinavia for example.

>Fucking America wrecks the middle east and then that Arab scum comes for gibme dats
Neither can be blamed when we have people marching with Refugees Welcome banners and police forces that work to maintain peace by silencing victims to protect the attackers' group.

>you're not invited to get ass-raped by the Muslim horde.

Okay

Oldfag here.
You can't imagine how the life was better in every aspect before the reign of Brussel.

>local laws still apply, but with an united foreign policy
Yeah that was called "diplomacy" back in the days and that was actually efficient.

The EU was a monstruous mistake. Each country lost its strong points for the sake of the race to the bottom. We lost our industry, our security, our intelligence services, our way of life, everything to this financial "dream".

Pic related is an example of what the european nations were able to do without any supra- bureaucracy. But they want you to believe that there was no cooperation...
The EU is not only useless but also detrimental.

Fuck it.

>not the disjointed bureaucratic bullshit we have now.

I thought that after the UK left stuff would change and the EU guys would acknowledge the issue of overregulating but they haven't learnt a shit. I've given up my hopes on the EU.

but this won't be your country anymore will it?
EU is pushing for the death of any sort of patriotism, it's doing what old Yugoslavia was
they don't want you to be Finnish or German or Italian or w/e
they want you to be (((European)))
do you really want to leave your culture behind and adopt whatever they push down your throat in the name of peace of safety from the eternal Russian boogeyman?

I want an unified Earth Empire.

A yes, an EU army to enforce "EU values" like white genocide.

do you know what are the bases upon which the EU was founded? wtf are you talking about?

The EU is fundamentally UNREFORMABLE.
The way legislation works means the commission (unelected) propose it. Meaning even if the people elected literal hitler nazi parties to the EU parliament in a majority they could do nothing to repeal the bullshit "anti-racism" laws.
It's anti-democratic and impossible to fix, tear it down.

wtf is this shit anyway ? We have already NATO

It's even worse than the serb says In 100 years there will be no finns left, just negroid-arabs in the EU province #23 once called finland.

You don't really want Spain and Italy amongst that.

The ultimate alliance, within Europe, would be UK, Portugal, France, Netherlands & Germany. But only providing Germany doesn't do what she always does and become starved for power, to the point we are currently at.

In an ideal world, we'd have the EU as it is now without all the really shit-tier countries (read: eastern Europe), a CANZUK and USA. Them have those three in an alliance together, but separately represented. Fuck me, the West would be unstoppable. I mean, CANZUK alone man!

One can dream.

>people talking about the EU army
>mfw it's just gonna be another (((refugee))) ferry service
depressing

You only want it because your country will get gibbemedats and investment, and won't have to deal with 2nd&3rd world migrants&rapefugees.

But yeah I'd love my country even more if this were true youtube.com/watch?v=37iHSwA1SwE

I'm frustrated about the narrow conception of "sovereignity" most euroskeptics seem to have. This purely Westphalian, defensive, "ours is the only polity that can take action in our territory" not only hasn't been accurate for a while now - transnational corporations and other organisations influence the behavior of your government multiple times daily, EU or not - but it's limited in that there's no mention of a capacity to actually shape world events.

It's actually surprising how a continent of what was once empire-building peoples have become so complacent and inward-looking.

That said, the current structure is very unsatisfying. We've hit the limits of a purely intergouvernmental approach years ago, and by now the EU itself is an obstacle en route to solving its own problems. The return of anxiety over German power is a necessary consequence of making any and all decisions based on agreements between and actions performed by member states, since Germany is the largest by population, GDP and liquidity.

The EU needs a simulteanous regionalisation - break up the member states - and federalisation - reunite them under a European roof - so that what has to be done together - border security, foreign and defense policy, economic balancing - can be done by directly elected officials. Any one EU citizen can only change their own government, but do nothing about those of the others, and this is the source of the democratic deficit. To quell the fears of a mish-mash of European identity - unfounded as they are: German unification did not lead to the end of Bavarian culture after all - the new regions remain in control of interior, education, cultural policy. Subsidiarity.

I only said that it is corrupted. I haven't said anything about reforming or abolishing the EU. I haven't done enough research to form an educated opinion on what to do with the EU. But all I know is that the current form of the EU must be destroyed.

You seem like a normal person (which is unusual on Cred Forums), can I ask what the general attitude toward the EU is in Poland? We don't get much accurate information here, as you can probably guess.

>Checks flag

Why is it always the eastern European shitholes that shill the hardest for the EU? Is it because they're leech nations and when they say "we", what they really mean is "Germany, help us!"?

It was built around the idea of destroying the European peoples and crushing their individual identities by eliminating all the hallmarks of sovereignty and nationhood such as borders and currency.

Are you deluded. It would follow an elected majority. No one country would control it and there would be influence. You guys are always about conspiracies and shit.

Look at the EU now. Britain just quit and you still sperg about how it's beast that can't be changed or reformed.

Do you really think the EU army would march into Hungary like the Soviets did in the 60s?

Eurocrats hate white europeans. An EU army will be used to crack down on any country electing a nationalist government in the EU.

If you're so pro-EU
Take your refugees like a good boy eesti

i thought us krauts where the only ones who were allowed to shill for the eu?

I can live with that mate.

Jesus chirst you're dense as fuck. There currently talk ongoing to decide if things should change in Bratislava. You fags aren't invited because you quit because you hold that exact options.

Fuck off, nigger-lover.

Actually Juncker was one of the main candidates and his party got the most votes in the last EU election... sounds fairly democratic to me, even if I don't think much of him.

Also, he is not really the "leader of an entire continent" but just head of the European Commission.

lol most of them leave for Germany or Sweden after a few months

Ignorant nigger-loving cunt.

They're so used to being satellite states for hardline socialist super bureaucracies that they simply don't know any better.

Besides, it means less pressure on them to get themselves out of the toilet when someone else is paying for everything like basic services and defense.

They're the mexicans of europe.

You're a very naive person

could do with less thesaurus use but I agree with the overall point

I for one agree with you. But only without the current elites. Merkel and her eurocrats can go fuck themselves. They are essentially atlanticist pro-US cronies who believe the free trade meme.

Nope.

>Are you deluded. It would follow an elected majority.
Just like the EU does now, with rapefugee quotas nobody wants except a few % of cucks? Oh wait, the commission has the real power and is appointed so doesn't give a fuck what you think.
>Do you really think the EU army would march into Hungary like the Soviets did in the 60s?
Yes. Give it 25 years when the Hungarian army is gone and there will be "police action" to remove hungary's border fences stopping the hundreds of millions of migrating niggers.

I probably wouldn't even notice. We've only been independent since the world wars so everything older than that is either Swedish or Russian culture. Everything after that is American. Even most of our "finnish" music is actually dubbed American pop and rock songs.

I think the main difference in our reasoning is that in your perspective it's a choice between independent Finland or EU province #23 while in my perspective it's a choice between EU province #23 or New Leningrad suburb #74

I'm not entirely against the EU. I think a strong union is great. It's the current form that bothers me to no end. Countries gave up their sovereignty to be ruled by an undemocratic governmental body fueled by nepotism. They don't seem to give much of a shit about what's actually good for the individual countries or peoples. Not to mention that the poor countries in the union are a gigantic money sink and continuously threaten the stability of the EU.

I just want a thorough reform of the EU. Less meddling in national lawmaking and more economic and military cooperation, all while keeping the interest of the individual peoples the highest priority (so not letting ruthless businesses waltz over people in the name of economic progress).

Are you reading what you're writing here?

>I haven't said anything about reforming or abolishing the EU
>I haven't done enough research to form an educated opinion on what to do with the EU
>But all I know is that the current form of the EU must be destroyed.

pro-EU does not equal pro-refugees.

>There currently talk ongoing to decide if things should change in Bratislava
And nothing will change.

because eurocrats want divided colorful nation with no roots or common goals to rule them easier
PRAKITSCHER IDEALISMUS

2% of estonian gdp is a box of fucking turnips, of course you pay it. we'd let you all get skinned alive before we'd start a gigantic war over some tiny meme tier country like estonia. you're only in nato to piss off russia.

I agree on the most part but

>eternal Russian boogeyman?

tell that to ukranie, lmao.

I don't think russia should be underestimated. I'm seriously worried that the anti EU segment is largely overtaken by russian sympathizers. here in poland one of the most anti EU parties also just by ""coincidence"" are playing down the whole crimea stuff.

Actually, it's (as far as I can tell) the fear of Russia. No EU would mean they would become part of the Russian sphere and they understandably dislike that.

>it's limited in that there's no mention of a capacity to actually shape world events.
What are NATO and the UN?

And the Bratislava talk going on right now because of the said rapefuges isn't happening and EU is just taking it all in and V4 isn't protesting and demanding change?

And I just read the second sentence you're a waste of my time. Logic doesn't apply to you.

Fuck you, you globalist puppet.

You haven't succeeded mommy until you defend your clay for 1000 years.

Eesti, you are only pro-EU because life in Baltics has always been shit, and you have guys still have some enthusiasm left over from the 1991 break up of USSR

For the countries that already have high levels of development, there is nothing beneficial in being in a giant superstate.

The only future for Baltic nations in the EU is a continuation of the young breeding age educated population migrating further West, resulting in massive depopulation and eventual extinction.

My grill is Lithuanian and when I go there all you see in the towns outside of Kaunas and Vilnius is old people and very young kids. All working age population is gone West.

Same in Lativa and probably Eesti (never visited Eesti yet though).

Mate i know USSR was hard for you but stop pushing your Stockholm syndrome on to other people

Exactly. Subvert nationalism by replacing the people with stateless cosmopolitans.
There's a reason our brexit vote was 70% remain in 50% white London.

Wouldn't have imagined Estonia to be so desperately looking for another union. Literally begging for another foreign master to take control. Pathetic, slavish attitude.

it's a "box of fucking turnips" for USA, but not for Estonia, you god damn moron

Vehicles of an American-led world order, designed to deliver maximum benefit to the United States(' ruling class). Same with the rest of the supranational institutions: the World Bank, the IMF, the WTO et cetera.

Fuck off esti you're playing right into the Jews' plans.

tl;dr

you want your people completely replaced by niggers

t. Jamal Hernandez (60 percent white)

>I want an united EU army
fucking kill yourself

Tee silmad lahti, sooda. Vaata mismoodi EL-i keskvalitsus selle "kriisiga" tegeleb. Nad on oma usalduse täielikult kaotanud ja kui sa neile kaasa karjud siis ei saa ka sind usaldada.

EL toob neid sissetungijaid-vallutajaid (mingeid pagulasi ei ole olemas) maale ja määrib sulle ja mulle kaela selleks, et riigid-rahvad kaoksid ja saaks inimestele pähe istuda.

Keri putsi globalistist Ahmed.
Auto alla ajan kui ette peaksid jääma tee peal!

This is how it starts you moron, a slow drip of your sovereignty and democracy, drip, drip, dripping away.
Dictatorships don't always happen overnight.
The EU once put sanctions on Austria just for having a so-called """far-right""" party in it's government coalition. And that was 16 years ago. How do you think it will act with more power?

ITT: small irrelevant country wants to feel big on others cost

...

>You don't need national heritage
>Don't worry about those Muslims shooting up the place.
>Big Brother's here to protect you from your whiteness.
Kill yourself, faggot.

What's wrong with having a united european defense force?
With the other 3 superpowers we don't stand a chance individually. We're all in the same boat if one of them tries to attack for whatever reason.

It's ALWAYS Eastern European 2nd world leeches who are pro EU. Goddamnit I hope Russia carpet bombs you and rapes you to death. Fucking cocksuckers who can't stand up for themselves

Like I said you see some boogieman superstate run by jews thats going to make us all brown.

I see a coalition of nations trying to unite and standardize to compete on a global scale with China and the US while trying to deflate and defend against former Soviet now Russia militay posturing.

So keep on with your EU will become new Nazi Germany but Jewish SJWs in power...

europe will always be bitch of others

kakoi keskvalitus, kogu probleem ongi sellest, et sittagi ei suudeta otsustada ja mingit keskvalitsust pole olemas

kui sa tõesti usud, et mingid näotud skeemitajad Brüsselis toovad "sissetungijaid-vallutajaid" tahtlikult sisse, mitte ei püüa kõigest väest lahendada hiiglasliku clusterfucki mis tuleneb USA sehkeldamisest Lähis-Idas, siis ma soovitan sulle soojalt hankida endale konks lakke ja tross kaela ümber

Everyone wants a strong united Europe, but the EU is not the way. The EU will slowly kill European culture and replace it with islam and this can not be allowed.

>can I ask what the general attitude toward the EU is in Poland?

poland joining the EU played nicely with the polish economical boom (which has it roots way before joining the EU) so people in their 30-50's that well remember it associate the EU with wealth and being western. people unironically think that if poland was to leave the EU, it would reveert to ukraine levels. another big part is the large migration which has voting rights which means that any party has to panders the EU since any stance " we should leave the EU" would harm those people abroad and as such you can forget about their votes.

Young people (18-30) are divied, there is the western type who would love to be annexed by germany any moment and there is the patriotic type who sees that something is wrong and would love to see some change. I would say that the second type is more dominant but there aint no parties that would use this potential well. And as, the older people defend the status quo and you can forget about anything for now.

This is how I would describe the situation in poland as of today, not really great. Personally I start to think that a collapse of the EU wouldn't be all that bad because if the people who started to get used to the western levels (migrants) were forcefully sent back, they would want to improve poland and accelerate the necessary social change.

You do realize that the EU was practically invented by a prolific communist, right?
This "united Europe" will just turn out to be another Soviet Union but even less stable.

This is the thing, isn't it? You don't hear the UK or France asking for this shit and that's because they have the highest two military expenditures in Europe, so we don't see a need for it. Whereas the countries that can't defend themselves want it.

Kas sa idioot arvad, et need sissetungijad-vallutajad saaksid siia tulla kui keskvalitsus seda ei soosiks?
Kas sa oled unusartnud mida see kommunistlik-islamistlik saast rääkis ja kuidas kvoote kaela määris.
Kas sa ei tea kuidas nad neid merest välja korjavad ja kohale veavad?

Kas sa oled lollakas? Tahad nõukogude liit 2.0-i ja poolt miljonit järjekordset migranti kelle jaoks kohalikud on vaid mingi jalus vedelev saast?

Maha see liit! Ma saan aru, et merkel ja muud värdjad kes selle sita kokku on keetnud kardavad laternaposti otsa rippu tõmmatud saada ja seepärast tahavad seda armeed ja rohkem liitu....

Aga ety sina tahad? Kas sul on kah põhjust karta ja oled kohalikele sitta keeranud?

>what's wrong with yet another bureaucratic mess leaving us defenseless
Not to mention, fucking try to convince the Swedish you need to invade Mali for Uranium

We superpower, faggot.

> I want a strong, united Europe which can stand independently of USA and make its own decisions.

I'd like that too but the EU obviously isn't the proper way to do it. Instead of inviting non-Europeans in it should force them out.

Until that happens I'm not going to support the EU, simple as that.

>But all I know is that the current form of the EU must be destroyed.
I said that I do not have an educated opinion. But you're right. I should have said: 'I think' instead of what I wrote in the sentence above.
My bad.

>defense force
You don't need to convince anyone to invade anywhere because it will only be for defense. We don't need to be the world police. Let the rest of the world figure out their own shit. Let niggers kill each other in africa if that's their favorite pastime. What's it to us?

Yeah it is the same thing with burgers. Nobody elected Paul Ryan as the speaker but since republicans got majority they can choose whoever they want. Same thing is in the EU. During your elections for parliament you also elect leader of commision and parliament. Juncker is in the EPP. EPP is formed mostly of conservetive parties in Europe.

You disgust me.

How about you make your own military a defense force and we use ours for whatever we damn well please

Self hating fucks like you should be gassed.
You are a traitor to our people and kin.

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It's a very good idea in theory and I'd love a true pan-European union - but not if it's run by leftists. The USSR was a fucking failure even without inviting in hordes of unwashed, uncivilized masses. The EUSSR and its collapse is going to be a thousand times worse.

Get fucked Estonia. I used to think you guys were cool. Now I think Estonia sucks. You see what you are doing to your nation and countrymen. Degrading them one word at a time. I admonish you OP.

France and the UK haven't been able to meaningfully defend themselves for 60 years and everybody knows it. Power projection matters, and the historical record is one of retreat: At Suez, in Indochina, Algeria and most recently, in Libya. Without America providing a logistical backbone, the most any European state can do is roll over your average third world country like Mali or Argentina.

What they can't do, more importantly, is provide order to their surroundings. This way, Europe will always be on the hook for the fallout of American interventions performed for America's benefit, with European soldiers shedding blood for the profits of the American military-industrial complex.

Literally the most onspot comment ive seen on this site.
With the current political landscape, Nation States are the best way to insure the survival, thriving and Existence of our Countries. The Eu would and will at this point literally become the EUSSR with current leftist politics.

>Who pro-EU here? I want a strong, united Europe which can stand independently of USA and make its own decisions
You have to get rid from the EU then, it is an USA puppet.

We have some 15% of suckers and mad idiots here.
OP most likely committed some crimes against Estonians and wants to hide behind merkel-juncker back.

This is nothing more than traitors trying to evade punishment.

Explain the Falklands then

Its easy for you to say when you are not a buffer between the most likely aggressor (Russia) and EU. You do know if we or Estonia or any other eastern european country got attacked they would just leave us. There is no hope for Finland or the Baltic countries.

we definitely need a european bloc. but the current anti-national puppet of the burgers doesn't cut it.

that's the only way it's ever gonna happen, until then everyone will keep thinking only for himself and let the rapefugees croos the border with the almost certainty they will move on to Germany or Sweden

Mentioned them. Actually read the post to the end.

bad news the EU is an American made and backed enterprise, remember how obammy told us to stay in mama merkels concentration camp? Fuck him I like to think his speech created plenty of leave voters

telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/04/27/the-european-union-always-was-a-cia-project-as-brexiteers-discov/

Currently EU is the aggressor who fucks up your way of life and ours too.

>but I'm wondering if there's anyone else like me here

I bet there are. The world is full of shills and retards.

>estonia
>wants strong Europe

Fuck the EU.

I this case, mention a single country the US has singlehandely invaded and that's more militarily capable than Argentina was at the time
No, Iraq does not count

I fucking hate America so much.

Not self hating, just looking at statistics and not expecting some magic force to look after us when push comes to shove.

I feel the same way

I know, but the most likely military conflict is between Russia and the Baltic countries/Finland and no one will help us. Tbh it was stupid for you guys to trust NATO.

What statistics?

Centralisation of all this power is dangerous. I guess coming from a cucked country like estonia you probably don't have much of a say on what happens to you as a country.

But for the UK, France and Germany, handing over your power to another state (including your military) is insane. Who the fuck gives them the authority to rule over an entire continent?

I think Trump is truly a moron, but I support him as he will be good for the UK and will facilitate the break up of the EU

If you joined NATO and let some american bases on your soil, they wouldn't exactly have a chance but to defend you

So to avoid future military conflict you are committing suicide?

And you are delusional if you think anyone would help us if a conflict would happen (except maybe other nordics). Why sell our freedom to the EU when we get nothing in return, no safety, no prosperity?

>singlehandely

None, because they don't. Whether they are financial or military, the European section of NATO always contributes to America's military desasters. It shouldn't, because we don't get anything out of it but trouble.

Relative economic and military strength, quality of life

most likely? it doesn't seem very likely.

You think they would risk a war with Russia just for some small country with 5 million residents? They would just sneakily pull away their troops before the conflict and give us "support". Russia and US are always in a place where they cant make big moves against eachother and smaller countries like Estonia and Finland will always be a playfield for them.

>implying the EU was ever strong
>implying a choking bureaucracy can ever be effective
> Implying the EU's plan is the death of all native Europeans

Come on, Estonia, I thought you knew better.

What are the measures of quality of life to you?

Its not very likely yes, but its the most likely option. I dont see USA or China attacking Europe at any point in the future.

>None, because they don't
Then why should we?
If you're point was to prove France and the UK aren't capable of power projection, you're not doing a very good job

Fuck the EU, you of all countries should understand why Estonia

Fuck off double nigger

A right-leaning European confederacy (strong nation state rights with a loose agreement on continental policies) would be a sizeable threat to US dominance, but since it is the EU we're talking about, it won't be around in 20 years due to liberal policies like rampant savage immigration

I'm with you man. I'm against Nato because I'd never fight for any interests outside of Europe. But I'd be willing to defend remote countries like Greece or Spain if just to defend Europe. THere are some things that need to be addressed before we can unite Europe though

>You think they would risk a war with Russia just for some small country with 5 million residents?
If that country is part of NATO, they wouldn't have a choice. It's either that, or stop being credible on the world stage
>They would just sneakily pull away their troops before the conflict and give us "support"
Just like when they've added more troops in Poland and the Baltics when Russia invaded Ukraine?

So you would sell our independence, people and nation to the globalists because you are afraid of the big bad Putin.
Go fuck yourself you cowardly traitor. The only way Finland and we Finns will survive is if we stand up for ourselves and build our own future. Trusting foreigners who care nothing for us for our protection is folly and only weakens us. Finland stands alone.

Helo im fom syrien! I like EU much. It helps money and house and WWW. I learn the englisch and the deutch. And i train woman and man in الله
ways. I tell they die if not Allah. Very good. We will come for you. Merkel invited me.

Its a powerplay between the two, nothing more, nothing less. They will never risk a WW3 over some insignificant countries. Yes, NATO will lose their face in that situation but that just drives them to kick rest of the small states away from the alliance.

Hans thinks the UK can't defend itself.

Come and see hans, come and see.

Putin will simply never invade a country that has American bases on it, period
No it's not a fucking powerplay, Russia's military is an order of magnitude less capable than America's

Oh really? Try to post on any social media evidence of racial inequality. Try to say loudly you don't think think there were six million death kikes in front of rich jews.
Look at 'security measures' taken after Muslims btfo'd France consisting primarily of making getting guns harder for lawful citizens. Look at Western Europeans getting cucked beyond comprehension while shitskins get treated like royalties.

And then tell me I'm paranoid again you forestnigger

Ha, if the EU was a global power, you think the people of Estonia would have any say at all? Or perhaps that wouldn't matter to you, you'd through you lot in to the EU, and let Germany tell you what to do? You know the EU's shit, and you think the solution is to have more of it?

Perhaps some EU merkel would stick a pin in a map, it would land on your country, and it would now be the EU's storage and distribution point for paperclips, to be staffed by 2 million 'syrians'. Do you secretly wish the USSR survived and annexed you?

It's not possible on your terms. I will say that it's odd that you demand I cite an example of an empire going to war without its client states.

>Then why should we?

There is an arc of failed and failing states to our south that will keep producing migrant flows, piracy and terrorism, threatening the political stability and economic and miltiary security of the continent. A greater power is needed to provide order to that region, but the existing power will not because it does not suffer the consequences to the same extent and is now actively working on insulating itself from them directly.

Wow, Estonia is usually pretty cool. This must be one of the stealth-Russians using their flag like they have any right to be there.

Why don't you fuck off back to your commie shithole, Ivor?

I want a strong, united euro aswell. I don't want it being socialist or left wing tho

Fucking state your point already
Are you saying some EU military would provide order to /mena/? Fucking get outta there, you're delusional

This is most probably Achmed who uses our flag.

Or some globalist traitor who fears for is life and wants "more eu" to protect him when the day of rope comes.

The problem with the EU is that it was basically a good idea to begin with, and even though the leadership presented a ominous future for us we all jumped on it.

A military union is a great idea, so is a trade union. We were already slowly and dynamically moving towards free movement.

However the union is run by unelected jews, commies, and other globalists. It promotes multiculture but is set on destroying our cultures and national identities.
The people who lead the EU will either force us to think like them, or plunder us when it fails and start over somewhere else.

Our enemies piggybacked on what started out as a great idea, and let bankers and globalists ruin our continent. At this point we'd be better off with the Russians, they're incompetent mongoloids but at least they would only destroy every well built system we have, and not our core: the people.

>Burgers actually believe Italians are comparable to Mexicans.

Either it will or the continent is lost.

It was literally founded to turn Europe into a nonwhite continent

Which is why I am a federalist. If someone attacked Utah would you not think rest of USA would act?

Personally I think we should wait for a big enough happening to keep top brass on both sides busy and sneak into both NATO and a military pact with Russia both at the same time.

Availability of education and healthcare, free speech and spending power

I have zero interest in whether our country is strong or weak politically, as long as individual success is maximized.

>Allways
Since the world wars we have been yes, but before that we ruled the world, and it will happen again, perhaps not in our lifetime.

Greece, Italy have military like Hungary does.

Why is this "european union" holding them back and does not allow border guarding?

EU is a scam to get native europeans lands and distribute them to invaders.

Or you could just stop importing millions of shitskins to your country

heh, you chaps seem to think Germany will continue to take you recent african brothers. Or that if they stay, your mafia will make sure they don't step out of line. Nah, there are too many, the're too stupid and fanatical to be kept in line. The EU has royally fucked your country, and that's before we talk about your economy.

Not so fast boi

Maybe if you the EU got rid of all its shit autistic countries then maybe it can be strong.
If the away consisted of just UK, Germany, France and Norway/other Scandinavian countries. Then it might be strong enough.
But right now the EU is just a group of autistic fucktard a throwing shit at Eachother because Germany will keep bailing them out

No. Fuck off with this globalist shit. We are too different in the EU. It cannot work unless you dissolve the borders, dissolve the cultures and make people in the EU speak one language.

There is no free speech in islamic EU. Education is in decline, healthcare is in decline and spending power does not mean nothing when you must live in walled community.

We are being invaded as of now and this "more eu" is just a next step in invasion - to get us rid of our armies.

So fucking true. Would love to see them trying Operation Sealion again. Not a chance.

You should be punished because you work against the principles stated in our constitution.

Traitor is the world for those who betray constitution.

I wish slavic shitholes would get their own union, please leave us alone and stop begging for our gold, jews.

Hans you can't even defend yourself against a bunch of retarded shit covered refugees raping your women.

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Thanks for the answer!

I find it particularly interesting that older Poles seem to want to preserve the status quo, since it was older Brits who were the primary driving force behind our Leave vote. Mind you, the prevailing sense when we regard our past is a firm patriotic nostalgia, which I suppose might be different in Poland, if older people remember a transition from harder times to a boom, as you said.

I see your point about Poles living abroad being pro-EU - the same happened with our referendum, but because the amount of Brits living overseas in the EU is, I imagine, comparatively low compared to the amount of Poles doing the same, it wasn't enough to sway anything.

Do you mind if I ask how you personally feel about migration FROM Poland to other EU states? I've met a lot of Poles living here (primarily ones working in construction, who have been here a while) who seem now to regret coming, and who say that their friends back home are earning similar sums but being treated better. Did you have the opportunity to migrate but choose to stay?

Fuck off Soros

Fucking morons.

The UK or France (on their own) would destroy Kraut

We try to get the EU to reform for years. Most of our Eurosceptic politicians started out as pro-EU. Decades of pleading 'we can fix this, we can make it work', and every year the EU got less democratic. Worse, it was also the UK being 'difficult'. Well, see what you can make of it, but I'm not holding my breath.

youtube.com/watch?v=37iHSwA1SwE

I was tricked

>Estonian flag
stopped reading reight here

>We are being invaded as of now
Yeah, because of Sweden and Germany inviting shitskins to come pouring through the south.
I don't claim EU did anything to alleviate the problem but they sure as hell didn't cause it either.
Just look at what happened as soon as the union got involved when Merkel tried to push the "refugees" to other member states and got a big LOL NOPE
Is there leftist cuck talk shilling refugee quotas? Hell yes. Are the refugees actually getting redistributed? Hell no. My country is currently rounding the mutts up to be dumped back to Sweden/Greece where they came, precisely because of a piece of EU bureaucracy called the Dublin treaty.

Yes but the current EU is shit. There is so much to fix. Not sure how it can be done.

You want everything your forefathers died to prevent, and you're a disgrace.

>I'm wondering if there's anyone else like me here?

Europhiles like you make me want to vomit. The sooner the EU crashs and burns the better.

>I have zero interest in whether our country is strong or weak politically, as long as individual success is maximized.
Yes, you are a disgusting traitor, that was already established. No wonder you shill for globalism. The death of your people and homeland are nothing to you.

There was absolutely no reason that US action in the middle east should have effected Europe if either the EU - or individual countries, if there wasn't an EU - had just the tiniest set of balls to say 'we do not require brain surgeons from your shithole, thank you very much'. What would a fully federal EU do anyway? Go to war with the US to keep them out the middle east?

You ain't fixing shit nigger

Are you retarded?
Do you forgot about migrant quotas?
Do you forgot about EU court who punished Italy for sending invaders back?

EU is the evil doing this.
Traitors.

>Claims Eastern Europe can't defend themselves
>Got beat by these cocksuckers who had already been crushed by Germany
> Had every military advantage but still lost and couldn't do one job
> Lost is the war
Fucking hell Italy America should've dropped a third nuke on you for being such autisms that can't even fight 3rd world countries

What, you mean the EU will try its hand at regime change? Try and impose order on Africa and the Middle East? Like the US has been trying to do? Oh goodie.

this.

The EU is not strong.
If anyone wants a strong and united Europe, they would have to work from scratch.

The EU, together, could do for the region what America has done for western Europe and the former Japanese Empire in the three decades following WW2; keep regional powers off each others' throats, creating an atmosphere in which they cooperate rather than confront each other and invest so empower local governments to provide the public goods that they currently do not; internal security and economic prospects.

What Spain does with the countries to its immediate south is a start, but already the 'Turkey deal' proves that this approach scales poorly: As soon as the amount of people affected reaches a size of hundreds of thousands or millions, it is the origin and transit countries that have all the leverage in negotiations. The true cost of the Turkey deal is not the paltry sum wired to Ankara for housing three million people, but the silence of European capitals in regards to ethnic cleansing against Kurds and support for Islamists in Syria, both of which are laying the groundwork for the next crises.

Yeah , me too user me too.You are not alone in this

The "more eu" and "eu army" are shilled to get every member country and their native population totally defenceless.
Wake up, the people calling for more eu and eu army are the same who wanted mandatory invader quotas and are eroding our ways of life.

And then you (and us, too) will be raped and thrown away.

Hang those shills and traitors working for invaders, all of them, both in member countries and in Brussels and then we will talk about future of Europe (not eurabia).

kys

As we've learned over the last five to six years, Greece has not been capable of administering its own territory - starting with raising taxes from its residents - even before we subjected it to the austerian regime. So, we are turning an already overencumbered government into a holding pen for hundreds of thousands of migrants.

There's something about the Anti-Democratic nature of the EU leadership that should bother most Western people, but somehow is accepted by a majority there. The socialists and communists have worked you over thoroughly, and I fear that the weak minds among you that accept it unconditionally will drag the rest of your culture into oblivion with you.
I hate to say that you deserve whats coming, but you really do.

Of course I want a strong, unified and independent Europe, but Europe is too diverse and different to be unified, It's not possible.

Kek

The closest thing to the EU that could be a good idea would be benelux-type unions of the smaller states, and then those are allied with the larger states in a kind of continental-European-only NATO. Except there's no point in that because there's already NATO

Read about Greece.

Yes, those were globalist robbers and slavers who fucked up Greece.
Why - ask yourself.

telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/07/28/imf-admits-disastrous-love-affair-with-euro-apologises-for-the-i/

NATO would be good if the other members werent dogs for US.

Achmed-Igor, you have to go back.

>EU stronk
>German fla-

WHAT ARE YOU TRYING ESTONIA

>Who pro-EU here?

Anti-EU here and voted out. Got the result I wanted and haven't stopped smiling since :^)

Soros shill tries to save his skin.

I've read about Greece, it was pretty difficult not to given all the anti-bailout spin.

Greece was fucked up before it joined EU/EMU, famously unable to enforce even something so basic as zoning regulations. What has been done to it since did not help, au contraire.

France and Germany hold all the power. Now that Brits have left it is even worse. The 'united foreign policy' in reality is just whole EU forced into foreign policy dictated by France and Germany. United army is just you being the front line cannon fodder for the Franco-German army.

Fuck you

I can understand why some shills here shill for federation. They are AFRAID and they should be because betraying population and working against majority will will not go unpunished.

Btw, one islam convert fucked up retard estonian left estonia with his family already because she was AFRAID.

Start packing, all of you.

Make a common pot with Baltic states and Poland if you want, not our problems here.

I always laugh seeing little countries like yours shitting on us all the time but whenever you smell the russian breath on your neck it is all "hey let's make a common army guize !".
No, fuck you, we don't need you, this shit already costed us way too much during history with Belgium and Netherlands.
Enjoy your perfect little paradise so much better than us when Ivan and his T-14 will storm in your streets.

There will be no united army, this united means our armies will be castrated and DISBANDED.

Oh you didnt know, most of Finland is anti-NATO and have been a long time, there is absolutely nothing to gain by joining it and everything to lose.

I understand you and support.
Somehow you are fine with merkel and juncker calling all the shots starting from summer 2017...

Are you?

One European state with Latin as an official language.

Common currency, common army, common fiscal policy.

Zero migration from outside the EU.

We build a force that will dominate the sea, the air and space.

>Estonian cuck wants gibs under the paranoid pretext that Russia might invade them
No wonder you guys shill for the EU and NATO so hard

> Latin

You get arabic if you proceed this unification with current leaders in charge.

No I am not, neither is the majority of the finnish population. Majority want to reduce the influence of the EU, they also want to kick out the weaker countries from it. 75% also want the freedom of movement inside the EU to be reduced.

So yes, most finns support EU but not in the state it is now.

Those on here who think that the EU, who explicitly say nationalism is an evil force that must be crushed, can ever morph into a nationalist union, are beyond retarded.

Where I live I never hear Arabic and don't see any mudslime or mosques.

Once we build the Europa state, we put France and Germany in quarantine, they need to be decontaminated from the muslim biohazard elements.

These, 2bh
What you want is a strong West.

I personally do not want to be "powerful"

the current EU is JUST an opression, it is USRR-tier, why I cannot eat my zurek but must be a vegetarian faggot with no children?

fuck you

It's nice to see that some traditions don't die, like your collaboration in the German war effort to destroy European nation states. I really hope the Russians wipe you out for good this time around.

Same, but we need a lot more nationalism for the EU. Outer borders have to be closed and people should be made clear what kind of massive economic benefits such a large union can bring for average people.

Direct democracy with the EU commission would be better too. Maybe adopt a congress style model with local districts electing people to represent them in Brussels.

A strong West is not enough anymore. As we can see the West is full of degeneracy right now. The west is not a model anymore.

Eastern Europe will need to come up with the new impetus to reform the EU. It will be anti-migration, anti-degeneracy etc.

why are Romanians so delusional?

'B-but the EU is fine, it just needs to reform!'

Even with the threat of losing Britain, the second biggest contributor and home to the financial capital of the world, the suits in Brussels STILL wouldn't reform a single thing.

What hope does a country like the Netherlands or Denmark have of achieving reform? Fuck the EU and everyone that supports it.

>Maybe adopt a congress style model with local districts electing people to represent them in Brussels.

This already exists. It's called a member of the European Parliament. Everyone above age 18 has the right to participate in the European elections every 5 years.

You simpleton can not plan ahead for 20 year.
And this is why you can not see their endgame.

No, Maarten. We need to leave. You're in the EU or you have border control...you can't have both.

>hurr durr, change is impossible.

About what?

You jelly that we don't have mudslimes proliferating in our country, like you have? No muslim capital mayor either.

Stay cucked, Britbong. Soon the UK calliphate is upon you.

See >>

Yeah except for the part where they are people from my city / district and not just corrupt assholes belonging to national political parties.
So no, we dont have this yet.

>hurr durr, we can't have european border control.
What school did you go to?

Hope they wipe out only him and his likes.
He does represent only a small minority here.

It's quite cute that you think Romania will ever be relevant in a union dominated by a self-hating Germany. The enrichment will come to you eventually. Enjoy Mutti Merkel's migrants.

If the union was nationalistic then i'd support it. Current EU is abomination. But either way, i'd only support a union of nation states but never a federation.

You honestly think the EU wants to control the European border? Kek. Brussels loves migrants because in the coming years they and their descendants will vote for big EU and replace white Europeans. You're such a cuck. Fuck off to Belgium.

Was answer to

That's not gonna happen. Romanians would take it to the streets before accepting any migrant hordes.

We have a historical issue with mudslimes and other migrants. We don't allow our country to be invaded by filthy sandniggers, like you.

A superstate designed to crush European nationalism with the word 'diversity' in its motto and propped up by (((Goldman Sachs))) will eventually turn into a nationalist utopia

People actually believe this

I'll be honest, you are naive. Bureaucracy is a very corruptible system.

Yeah, I also think that a unified Europe, friendly with Russia, would be World superpower No. 1, but It would inevitably lead to a cultural genocide of EU nations. And that is the best case scenario - if our EU leaders would actually work for the benefit of the Union. Currently we have almost no oversight as for what or for whom they work for.

if you think that romania will become powerful in a united Europe you are just retarded mate.

You will get "eu army" sent into Romania for "peace-keeping" and pacifying you. Might be tyou will be labelled as "putin/whoever shills" and just shot when you do not submit to your new overlords.

And your army will be nowhere to find then to stand for you.

Europe can never be united. It's too diverse.
The Romans couldn't do it and the Habsburg failed and Napoleon and Hitler and the Soviets failed as well.

However we can and should cooperate on several matters like joint military maneuvers and patroling the European borders. Also the common product standards are pretty much a must nowadays. Noone is going to make a different product for the, say, Slovakian market when you can sell to 1.3bn Chinese with one single standard.

Nationalism is nothing but mental masturbation.

It's good to know your roots, it's good to preserve your culture.

But it's fucking pathetic to have nothing else to do all day but masturbate to your "identity". You're literally not accomplishing anything by just admiring yourself in a mirror all day. It's pathetic, it shows you have deep insecurities about yourself and you need to reassure yourself by constantly using this defensive ideology.

It's no longer the 19th century. We can move on to more modern identities. But that doesn't mean we have to accept degeneracy or migration from cultures which are incompatible with ours (like islam).

You don't need to be nationalistic to reject islam. Multiculturalism only works with regional, neighbouring cultures, who have lots of things in common. It doesn't work with islam.

Why can't you patrol your borders yourself?

This "more modern identity" is Islam. No nationality, just retarded slaves.

>Total military Personnel: 5.3 million
Finland would account almost 20% of this with our reserves standing at 900k so I dont think thats fair.

I don't support Putin. Russia is basically a dictatorship right now. 80% of Russians don't even want to participate in a political protest, even though they live in shitty conditions.

This is a sign that Russia has become a dictatorship, in which the elites are getting richer and the population is afraid to even protest against them, for fear of repercussions.

No, Islam is a medieval backwards culture. It needs to be kept in their containment areas or destroyed, if they try to get out.

>Great Britain still there

REEEEEEEEEE

>a unified Europe, friendly with Russia

This would also be my dream however I don't think it would lead to a cultural genocide. At least not in the next 200 years.

We don't have any reason to be friendly with the current Russian political elite. They are a de facto dictatorship, there's no actual freedom in Russia.

You can't oppose the regime and get away with it. If you protest, you can end up in jail.

Your military WILL BE DISBANDED, cuck.

The new European military will be
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Do not let yourself be fooled by traitors in EU.

Lol, who will accept these migrants who can't speak any European language in the army?

Most of them are suspects for possible terroristic acts, anyway. You don't give weapons to frustrated shitskins.

Those have to be sent back. Once the Syrian conflict ends, there's no reason to keep one single migrant from Germany there.

Just send them back to their country, once the war is gone. Problem solved.

I hear you bro. Hopefully now that the main cockblocker is out we can finally start working towards a real union.

Actually, many are illiterate, even in their own language

Plus, a huge portion have no documentation at all. Governments have no idea who they are or where they are. I don't remember the exact figures, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's over 50% in Germany.

Leftists and traitors who currently fear for their well-being and lives in various high positions EU.

You will be last, maybe. Simply over-run when france, germany, belgium are long fallen for the invaders.

And your army reduced to bunch of mumbling idiots via EU legislation for this time.