TTIP BTFO

TPP is dead, now this?

Is globalism dying?

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what's with the pokemon?

Nah, i was visiting the protest in berlin and its really only faggots.
The funny thing is that the same people that shout "No Borders no Nations" are now againstimport duties.
Ofc. they all celebrated their victory against ebil capitalism with a meal at MC Donalds

Popular stuff gains supporters.

have seen this shit on twitter.. well they are still young, so they may change their attitude.

im confused. so anti-ttip is basically leftist movement?

Oh shit, I never cared until it made Pikamon angry, better rush out to my nearest protest center and loiter

TTIP is the farthest thing from an actual free trade deal that exists.

It's essentially protectionism for multinational companies to help stifle their competitors.

Also some rightwinged parties are against it, but most resistant comes from the left.
In the core the anti TTIP and anti CETA movements are just anti american
Because companies are only ebil if they are from america, japanese companies are top notch, im telling ya!

No, this is a protest against communism on a global scale, which is what the TTIP would create.

Yeah, lifting import duties and giving companies the option to go to neutral court of arbitration is literally communism

Nope, coming back in a new form. The jew world order never stops

Many people view communism as form of totalitarian oligarchy, these trade deals would be a step in that direction

They look so weak. I could rape both guys at the same time.

Weak German economy trying to protect itself against the mighty burger.

At least Korea is protecting itself 100% and replacing everything remotely foreign. I'm not even eating Oreos right now, just shitty off-brand "Orions" since they're so cheap. Germany can't make its mind up and get fucked either way.

Redpill me on TTIP Cred Forums
Why is it bad?

Jesus you're dumb...

So nothing wrong with it then?

It really isn't
>Small medium businesses would be able to sell their goods in the US without having to pay duties .
>50 percent of the world economy would be a TTIP member. The dominance of the west would be ensured
>Euro and dollar would continue to remain world's major currencies, protected against Yuan
>a family of four would have an average of 545€ more per year. A US family would even have 655€ more.

Yeah thats what I thought. Just immature idiots who dont even know what it is screaming >muhhh globalisms

>investor dispute courts
>insane american copyright laws
>fines for copyright infringement
>chlorine chickens
What's good about it?

WTF PIKACHU HATES TPP????

This must end now

He's leaving out the part where american countries get to sue european governments in secret courts with a group of lawyers selected by the company to rule on the case.
Just like the cigarette companies suing australia and african countries.

>american countries
*american companies

Japan was one of the first to shit all over TTP

I hope so.
Who would like an american-like society in which you can sue anyone for anything and you eat shit and become ugly and fat ?

The people on this site are fucking stupid. Go figure.

Tafta is a cancer
Americans need to mind their own fucking business
This doesn't benefit the eu at all, it's a cuck move to allow americans to have control over the decisions of europeans governments and let their big companies and groups roam free

This.

You know TTIP is actually a good thing.
You should have noticed as soon as lefties advocated against it. Free trade between civilized western nations is a whole other thing than TPP.

TTIP = no more rule 34

You mean allowing companies to organize in an oligarchic totalitarian system free of accountability to the people in the countries they operate, all the while edging out all forms of local competition until they are the sole providers of goods and services as well as controlling the means of production? Yeah, that's pretty much Communism Hans, just through a corporate state.

> it's a cuck move to allow americans to have control over the decisions of europeans governments
>American's

>neutral
You mean biased in favor of the corporation.

>hitler pikachu
lel

>You know TTIP is actually a good thing.
honestly kill yourself.

Leftist are fucking weak as fuck. Thats the thing the right thinks they are in a minority and have no power. When in reality we are the strongest and when revolution hits all these weak little SJW retards will just be ground into paste by our boots.

Its biased without courts of arbitration.
If i would be a german company and i would want to sue an american company i would have to do it in the US, guess what? it will be on a biased court

They are probably all extreme leftists.

>Not the girl on the right
>Not the the girl in red
>Not the girl with a ponytail
>But yes to both guys, at the same time

I have to question your sexuality, pal

I would prefer going back to western protectionism but if not this TPP seems exactly what the world needs.

The left are scum.

>reducing the regulatory barriers to trade for big business, things like food safety law, environmental legislation, banking regulations and the sovereign powers of individual nations is literally communism guise
>literally transnational corporations
>literally communism

This site has some fucked up ideas of what communism is. The huge amount of lefties against it should tell you that alone.

Noice

You obviously dont know what communism is

im so fucking sick of living in this world.

the ttip was the best thing the united states coukd do. to oppose it...

fucking kill me...

>le ebil companies will ruin our lives
>smash capitalism because national socialism is based

It'd actually just increase economic contagion, foster toxic codependence, manufacturing plants that exist because of tariffs would shut down, and you'd incur an inevitably high risk of tax arbitrage.

Also, there's no mechanic of free trade that would grant additional income--in fact, quite the opposite. The only difference in this agreement is that labor and regulatory arbitrage is unlikely to occur because the nations in question are approximately on par in that regard.

>They are probably all extreme leftists.
Others do not understand economics.

Eat shit faggot

agreed. im pro-tpp tho.
i think many Cred Forumslacks would disagree with this, but i respect their protectionism.

>most resistant comes from the left.

likely most visible resistance,

right wing voters who are against it can't protest because they are busy working, so they vote with their money

>not even eating Oreos right now, just shitty off-brand "Orions" since they're so cheap

eating sugar supports (((THEM)))

I don't know every aspect of TPP because it doesn't affect me personally but I have the very strong feeling it's harmfulness is mostly exaggerated by Cred Forums, seeing how most people here think about TTIP.

>Free trade

Trump supporters don't like free trade, they want free market and fair trade

the free trade of NAFTA took out all jobs

Japs are justifiably outraged about TPP though.
It's American (((companies))) that want it.

i was there too, i didnt think to see this much faggotry, i left when the speaker said they dont want people that believe in borders or who are against unlimited immigration. fuck them, they are a bunch of virtue signalling faggots.

Maybe, but the truth is that Trump and Le Pen are the only relevant right winged political leaders i could think of that are against free trade between The US and europe in general.
Even Farage, Petry and Cruz are not against it in some form

They hate brexit and they hate ttip. What do these people want?

It was pure cringe, we had an huge Gadsden flag, maybe you saw us

no one cares about cruz. he an heroed at the RNC

>gadsden
never heard of it pham, im from bawü, is this a berlinian thing?

Then educate me. How is any of what you or I said not exactly what has occurred in every Communist state, and how is that not Communism?

I absolutely equate unchecked and unregulated transnational corporations with a Communist state. Both have the same outcomes and intention in practice. Since when have lefties EVER known who their enemies were in reality, they are useful idiots whose opinions sway with the wind, nothing more.

Great talk Hans.

more a pennsylvanian thing

> immature
> believe a mob of angry protestors should be allowed to override any majority vote they want

That's just common sense, really. Or should be, but apparently our own President thinks protests should be able to overrule elections (at least when it's convenient for him).

SOMEBODY'S

lmao, Goddamnit.

They're protesting the right things, but I'd money it's for the wrong reasons.

It's really just funny in the end more than anything.

oh well, and i thought i had a long trip coming from southern germany.

Well, because it's technically fascism, not communism.

Both have their roots in Marxism, they just go about trying to control the economy in different ways. Communism tries to seize the means of production by military force and turn it over to the government, while fascism tries to limit the public's ability to choose competing brands until there is only one choice left to them, which is so regulated that it's impossible to tell where government control ends and corporate control begins, in both directions.

Both are aspects of Marxism, which tries to enslave free will "for the greater good" of stopping anyone from making "bad" decisions.

For both lefty progressives and nationalistic protectionists bringing down the TPP is more of a means to their own respective ends - a step in a process.

this, they want to protect their countries from the influence of other countries but want a borderless world, a "earth citizenship" and are against nationalism. its like they want and dont want globalism.

It's not Communism. It's has stronger roots in capitalism, if anything.
They organize production and marketing of products with little regard for national interest in order to maximize profits. This goes against Communism entirely.
It's the result of exploitative globalization of their economies in a capitalist system.
t. Stalin 2.0

In the end, it's restrictive to the nation's they're occupying, in some ways. It's not a majorly bad thing like you're trying to make it out to be. That's just fear-mongering.

The liberal exists in a state of constant hypocrisy.

Here's another example of them fighting for the right things, for the wrong reasons, and runing everything as usual.

Also, what said

UK was never really a manufacturing nation, so them being for or against tpp is irrelevant
Germany and France are, so unless you're a fan of vietnam goods, your side should be very cautious

You don't have any idea what either communism or fascism are.

To be completely fair, this thought dawned on me as I wrote my last post. That said, if Fascism and Communism have common roots, are they not the same tree which bears the same fruit? Though Communism is more overt, I believe it is evident that the US would use force to maintain the status quo as would some European countries should the system as a whole be threatened.
You mention the line being blurred between Government and Corporate control, and I completely agree, I would say that a Communist state is the same as it owns the means of production and distribution. Fascism, or in the case of TTIP unchecked capitalism merely swaps the singularity of the State for the Plurality of the corporation even though the outcome remains the same.

All this said, it is important to remember that the concept of Communism was the true origin of Socialism, Marx and Engels were not the first to conceive it. Although you may be right, Communism may not be the correct term, it is a useful concept for the sake of discussion, as the core qualities are what were seeing now with corporations.

Well, since Vietnam isn't atlantic it also wont effect TTIP but also TPP.
And especially because we are a manufacturing nation TTIP would be good.
It would be better if we could get Argentinia and Mexico joining tho

>*but only
was a long day

did you stay there the whole day?

As I said they have swapped the singularity of the State with the Plurality of the corporation. Yet execution and outcome are the exact same. I am not trying to fear monger, but powerful corporations are the very instrument that destroy Republics as it creates a person greater than the common man, and on par with the power of the government itself. That line becomes even more blurred when heads of corporations are nominated for official posts within government, sometimes overseeing the very companies they once worked for. Thomas Jefferson was quite explicit about this.

Yeah, was there with some friends that are JuLis

i sincerely hope so.

fuck the globalists. flat earth #1!!!

:>TPP
>Dead
Go back to prepping the bull for North Korea

Go Europe.

Regardless, it's still not Communism. It's way too far right and serves only the interest of the few, than the many. It's definitely a result of unchecked capitalism. That's the only thing I wanted to correct, as it's an entirely false accusation. You can never have too much of one system before it backfires. A balance is necessary, I think we can both agree on that.

Why the opposition to CETA? What does Europe have against Canada, of all places? At this rate we'll have a trade agreement signed with an independent UK before we have one with Europe.

they fear american global players might take influence on the european markets through canada if im not mistaken.

TTIP was already dead.

I think CETA is going through. Those protesters are just are stupid.

Well, for the sake of discussion what is a better word? I still think Communism is useful, even though it lacks the quality of the statehood, for the reasons stated earlier. Bad actors will act as bad actors do, in this case if you were to place the political compass equally to the opposite side the only difference is in name alone.

TTIP is trash, it's another attempt to fuck over countries who can't hire lawyers to fight multi-billion dollar patent and trade lawyers in America.

These trade agreements are part of why generic medicines in use in eastern europe keep disappearing every time one gets passed: can't afford to pay 500 dollars a bottle for medicine

You guys never should have left. Damn Napoleon, eh?

CETA is TTIP but for Canada. You know how Canada has almost all the most backwards, retarded protectionism laws on the planet? The ones that outlaw watching movies at home and has a radius of payment for people who might be in earshot range of an MP3 player? They want that in Europe, now. After it gets to Europe, it will spread to the US.

>You know how Canada has almost all the most backwards, retarded protectionism laws on the planet? The ones that outlaw watching movies at home and has a radius of payment for people who might be in earshot range of an MP3 player?

I have never heard of any laws to that effect, and have definitely never heard of any laws to that effect being enforced. Could you cite a source, please?

TTP is dead?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Act_of_Canada

It's more or less a huge clusterfuck filled with loopholes.

One of those loopholes is the attempts at reviving the ipod tax.

The only thing I could think of is Fascism. It's entirely lost its meaning over its lifetime, but it's probably the only ideology that can be labeled for TTIP. It's a brand of right-wing ideology that stems from government and capitalist interests. Even then, I'd say it lacks a lot of what Fascism is about, as well. It's hard to label things like this because it's a variety of different stuff balled into one. It can't be communism because it doesn't serve the many, but they're also not using any military means (yet), so it can't be entirely fascism as well. It doesn't follow the command-and-conquer ideas of fascism, as well as its definitely still a capitalist democracy. Putting labels on everything is arbitrary, regardless. Maybe we just shouldn't bother?

Possibly Oligarchy, which is quite accurate when you think about it. Identifying the threat to true freedom for all men is key to disrupting, discrediting, and destroying it. Take the "alt-right" nonsense, that shit was created to merely group and bracket a political movement, and was quickly drawn as a "neo-nazi movement" its taking a page from the COINTELPRO manual.

The word globalist is now being used to describe something inherently nasty to freedom, and you can see it coming out in oped pieces, fear.

>companies can sew nations overseas and at home

It's basically american imperialism that won't even benefit the american people. Imperialism usually has to benefit the people of the empire.

>TPP is dead

Good.

>Is globalism dying?

Yes.

Oligarchy would probably be closer than Fascism, that's for sure.
That's what's mostly become of the USA today, though, so I think it'd fit very well in this instance. Probably not as a label for the TTIP, but as a result from our standards of office. The common man no longer holds power, only the rich.